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16 and 32GB MicroSDHC test

Having tested a 16 and 32GB MicroSDHC (Sandisk prototype): this is what Windows Mobile and S60v3 do with 32GB.
The cards work with quite a bunch of WM devices (if not all) even those of which the specs specifically claim that they can't work with anything larger than 8GB.
S60 shows '31 GB' and Windows Mobile 6/6.1 '31266.38 MB'.
The real capacity of the card is 32.785.301.504 bytes.

So when can I get one?

interesting

Good info, but still missing the most important info of all. When????
How about read/write speed? I'd imagine reading from a 32GB card may take a while for older PDAs. I have a Hermes/8525 device and so far it works fine with 8GB, but I'm concerned with going for 16GB or 32GB.

16GB will be available in Q4.
32GB somewhere in the first half of next year.
Pricing unknown, but I guess that 16GB will have an intro price of something like € 100,00.

Wonder what the price will be like...

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JayRayMee.NL said:
16GB will be available in Q4.
32GB somewhere in the first half of next year.
Pricing unknown, but I guess that 16GB will have an intro price of something like € 100,00.
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€ 100,00???? That is outrageous. I guess I will just have to wait until Xmas time to get an 8Gb. They should be pretty cheap by then and it will hold me until the 32Gb comes out. I have a 2Gb right now and it is a joke.

I find 8GB microsdhc already deadly cheap, it's costing around 20 euros with USB reader or SD adapter .

Only Diamond doesn't support memory card . Price won't be too expensive I think.

borce_razor said:
Only Diamond doesn't support memory card . Price won't be too expensive I think.
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Should have waited for the Raphael .

Thanks for the heads up!
Been waiting for the 16gb's since... well.... February Quite disappointed it'll be Q4 for 16gb's as they should have been available in June I think. Oh well no matter, I'll get them as soon as they're available.
Guess the experience of the past year puts the 32gb somewhere in 2011

Chainfire said:
Guess the experience of the past year puts the 32gb somewhere in 2011
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Aren't you a bit too optimistic Chainfire?
I've been waiting for these for at least a few months as well. Fortunately I read in the other thread that one of the e-shops informed that they would have them in 2 weeks time so hopefully we will get them sooner than Q4.

I really can't wait. I am currently using a 4 gig card and it is nice. Was considering getting an 8 gig; however, decided to wait for the 16 gig to come out. 16 gigs would be sweeeeeeet. Still I would rather have a 32 gig card but I emagine it will be a while before these are released and I have waited long enough already. I will get a 16 gig card and then a 32 gig when it comes out - Whenever that is.

I'm waiting too for a card with more than the 8 gb. When I bought my device, the first thing i did was buying a storage card with 8 gb and some weeks later the card was full with stuff like navigation software, ebooks, offline wiki, games and other data. My opinion is, that there can never be enough space. *g*

Eyghon said:
I'm waiting too for a card with more than the 8 gb. When I bought my device, the first thing i did was buying a storage card with 8 gb and some weeks later the card was full with stuff like navigation software, ebooks, offline wiki, games and other data. My opinion is, that there can never be enough space. *g*
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Really? I'd find 64gb totally enough to fulfill my needs. BUT! there is always that 1% chance that the card might fail and you'll lose all that 64gb. I wouldn't mind losing 8gb, but 64gb I would have to keep like a separate pocket hdd to keep it all backed up.

Kraize92 said:
Really? I'd find 64gb totally enough to fulfill my needs. BUT! there is always that 1% chance that the card might fail and you'll lose all that 64gb. I wouldn't mind losing 8gb, but 64gb I would have to keep like a separate pocket hdd to keep it all backed up.
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All my data (PC and PPC) are backed up on an external hd. A fail of my card or hd would be annoying, but it would be no problem. And I guess, the next step from 8 gb is 16 gb, 64 gb is anytime in the far future In the case of a need for a lot of hd space outside of my home, I can use my ipod or the usb stick in my car.

I think i remember reading somewhere that 32 gig will be the max for SDHC or was it 16 gig. I really can't remember. Anyhow. The point is that once SDHC has reached it's full potential, we will be looking at a new class of cards which our current devices will not be able to support
Edit: Silly me - 32 gig will be max I guess- as this thread states it was tested 32 gig Micro SDHC

LocoHarami said:
€ 100,00???? That is outrageous. I guess I will just have to wait until Xmas time to get an 8Gb. They should be pretty cheap by then and it will hold me until the 32Gb comes out. I have a 2Gb right now and it is a joke.
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how is that outrageous?
my 1gig sd cost me US$300 back in the day! wait 6 months and it will be half the price!

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Whats up with the storage?

Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.

Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.

vangrieg said:
Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.
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I hope they're all just held on by a latch under the battery...if not those OEMs that just made 8GB phones really messed up. But they're just Gen 1 phones anyway. Really hoping to see MS code the drivers for Hummingbird & Tegra chipsets.

If those cards are somehow accessible, that would indeed be great. Especially if SDXC is supported.
On the other hand, they can easily mess up, this won't be the first or the last time they do it.

I think that the reason we are seeing 8GB on all the leaks are because these are test devices.
Let's think about it, most of the device specs that have been leaked are using non-removable SD cards.
SD cards are relatively cheap, just plug it in and viola, you got 8, 16, or 32 GB. Knowing this, it seems likely that we'll see an OEM (such as HTC), release one device (such as HD3) with several different storage levels (8GB, 16GB, 32GB) simply because the cost of adding a higher storage card is negligible compared to using flash storage.

The reason for all these 8GB devices is because WP7 requires a minimum of 8GB built in storage for apps and media. Manufacturers can make it as high they want.

Sir. Haxalot said:
Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.
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Exactly one of the reasons why I don't want to buy WP7 when it comes out. I might go to Android for the time being.
All CPUs are qualcomm 8250, no tethering, 8gb storage, no expanision (had this been on the phones, it would have forgiven the 8gb internal storage). All though I LOVE how it is incorporated to XBL, I don't think that is enough to win me over. I'm on the fence here.

Yeah, that they're also using the QSD8250 sucks. On the other hand, I don't think that Android will be faster with QSD8650A than a WP7 with the QSD8250. Part because Android is kinda slow so the extra CPU power will probably be consumed and games and Apps in Android is developed to fit with slower devices (and devices without 2.2)
Tethering is confirmed from what I've heard, but it's up to the carrier to decide if it should be enabled.
My biggest worries is still the 8GB memory (and lack of important APIs), but hopefully it's only because of the testing devices all leaks report 8GB.

Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".

YannieBoy said:
Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".
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How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant

Alex530 said:
How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant
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Not internal....SD Card. Hell, 1gb internal would be amazing. I dont use many apps but it sure would help out.

When should Microsoft update the Hardware Specs and what should be included??

Apple update the spec of their devices every year and I think Microsoft should look to do this also...
In addition to the Gyroscope and new processors metioned at MIX I would like to see the following...
Fall 2011 - Windows Phone 7.5
1. Front Facing Camera - Launched with Live Messenger, Skype etc...
2. 16 GB Minimum Memory - I have no space for new APPS on my 8 GB device!!
3. SD Card option like on the Samsung Focus as standard.
Fall 2012 - Windows Phone 8
1. DLNA - Stream movies, photos to TV
2. Windows Button to also be 8 directional D-PAD as standard.
3. Allow remapping of all buttons when in Game Mode.
3. NFC - contactless mobile payments
4. USB 3
5. Bluetooth 3 or 4
6. XGA Resolution 1024 x 768
7. HDMI
8. Dual Core processors - multiple suppliers
I am sure there will be Android devices that meet these specs by late 2012
Low end devices would stay as WP7 and WP8 would support the high end features... Microsoft has already said this is the strategy.

I think the most important update should be software and increase in software features to improve the versatility of the platform. Windows 7 phones as at now are by no means low in specs.

Agrred the current specs are high enough for the momment. The main problem is software develpoers trying to create sual core supported software which, means its better if ms wait a while and do what andorid have whereby they have increased spped of the os and added new features and battery saving features mainly. Also speed wise JIT would be good.

The specs are fine, but I do see them improving, obviously. I've stated in other threads I see them updating faster because of market production and not because of necessity, unlike Android.
With that being said, I do see FFC coming this Fall. Though, obviously, they won't be mandatory, and will probably be featured on the phones on par with what's available today. Video out will probably be available sometime, though I don't think in Mango, but it would make sense with Netflix on the device. They won't go with multiple suppliers of processors, that takes away from the consistency of the device... And Qualcomm is a fine manufacturer... Why the need for change here?
Resolution has also been said it won't change, hasn't it? Really don't blame them, again, consistency. As far for hardware adjustments... No... Just... No.
And the memory option affects price. There are 16gb devices, why didn't you get one of those? I have 16gb -.- They need smaller devices to attract different users, you can't only have max devices on the market.

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Apple update the spec of their devices every year and I think Microsoft should look to do this also...
In addition to the Gyroscope and new processors metioned at MIX I would like to see the following...
Fall 2011 - Windows Phone 7.5
1. Front Facing Camera - Launched with Live Messenger, Skype etc... - Useless without the Apps. Not sure if Skype wants to tax their network by just letting any and everyone video call right now, TBQH...
2. 16 GB Minimum Memory - I have no space for new APPS on my 8 GB device!! - Why did you buy an 8GB device?
3. SD Card option like on the Samsung Focus as standard. - They're better off setting the minimum storage to 16GB than add a slot IMO. SD Cards lose their utility with the way WP7 uses them, and it's a PITA to use them after you take them out the phone as well...
Fall 2012 - Windows Phone 8
1. DLNA - Stream movies, photos to TV - Standard on High End Android devices.
2. Windows Button to also be 8 directional D-PAD as standard. Huh?
3. Allow remapping of all buttons when in Game Mode. - That still wouldn't make the phone a decent gaming device. Have to go the Sony rought to have something decent, IMO.
3. NFC - contactless mobile payments - Becoming standard on Android phones. Newer Blackberries will ship with this as well, and I suspect the next iPhone will as well as WebOS devices.
4. USB 3 - Unnecessary, IMO.
5. Bluetooth 3 or 4 - Galaxy S phones shipped with 3.0 in the middle of last year... Kinda late for this but it doesn't matter that much if your other devices don't support it, IMO.
6. XGA Resolution 1024 x 768 - Unnecessary on smartphone screens. Even qHD is IMO unecessary on screens 4.3" and below. Apple can afford to put this because they charge a premium for their devices, but it's pretty meh. qHD is decent, this is overkill...
7. HDMI - This is a pretty standard feature these days...
8. Dual Core processors - multiple suppliers - Agree...
I am sure there will be Android devices that meet these specs by late 2012
^ Apart from the screen resolution and USB3, both of which are pipe dreams... There are already Android phones that meet or exceed these specs now...
Low end devices would stay as WP7 and WP8 would support the high end features... Microsoft has already said this is the strategy.
^ Link pls... WTB Windows Phone fragmentation?
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If Microsoft wants to wait until Fall 2012 to introduce half that stuff you have listed... They mind as well just give up now.
Do us all a favor and ask them to put better batteries in their smartphones. The issue with smartphones is not the hardware. Even 1st gen snapdragons are good enough to make a good, featureful, performant smartphone OS on... The issue is that these phones last half a day with heavy usage, when you could do 2-3 days of heavy usage on Blackberries and Nokia phones...
No one cares how pretty it is or how well it performs if they are tethered to a charger all the time, and that's pretty much the status quo for WP7/Android/WebOS and to a lesser extent iOS these days...
Even with 1800-1930 mAh batteries phones like the Galaxy S II/Atrix 4G etc. manage to have battery life measured in < a day of moderate use... That's pretty incredible (not in a good way, either). It's time for manufacturers and companies like Microsoft/Google to stop feeding the needless spec bumping and focus on something that matters more - making phones that won't be rendered useless for hours due to being tethered to a charger if you happen to doze off at night before you plug the charger into it.

Better Battery Life in general, as N8ter said. I think this is the thing iOS, wp7 & Android platforms really need to focus on more right now.
16GB minimum internal NAND memory, although I hope to see at least one 32GB or more (probably Nokia) in the next year. Memory is not that expensive, and if we are to have our music collections on our phones, Nokia and Apple are the only ones who seem to get that you need space. I'll pay a little more for enough storage.
The new processor spec's are fine, don't need dual core yet but would like to see them start to come out by early next year.
I really expect a front facing camera phone will be out with Mango due to Skype being released. One of the OEM's will have one as a flagship if not more. But do people really use this feature much? Not really, but it still has uses, and those who will use it and should be available with Mango imo.
Other than that, its additional software features that are needed most. Mango is taking care of a decent list of complaints I had as will Nokias Navtek data/Ovi maps, but there are still many things to be added.

Fall 2012??? OMG... If Mango can do good enough... Mango is still WIP, so why don;t they add some feature that might "Magnet" some other users? 1, 3, 5, 7,8 from Windows Phone 8 are good example to be put on Mango.

dtboos said:
Better Battery Life in general, as N8ter said. I think this is the thing iOS, wp7 & Android platforms really need to focus on more right now.
16GB minimum internal NAND memory, although I hope to see at least one 32GB or more (probably Nokia) in the next year. Memory is not that expensive, and if we are to have our music collections on our phones, Nokia and Apple are the only ones who seem to get that you need space. I'll pay a little more for enough storage.
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I agree, but the manufacturers charge too much for strage. Going from an 8 to 16 GB phone can easily add $100 to the price at times. It's ridiculous. They will nickle and dime at any opportunity.
Nokia phones only needed a decent size ROM. They have SD Card Slots. Same for Windows Mobile and to a lesser extent Android. iOS, WP7, and WebOS devices need at least 16 GB internal storage, because of the lack of an SD slot or the way the phone works with SD Cards (WP7).
The new processor spec's are fine, don't need dual core yet but would like to see them start to come out by early next year.
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Agree.
I really expect a front facing camera phone will be out with Mango due to Skype being released. One of the OEM's will have one as a flagship if not more. But do people really use this feature much? Not really, but it still has uses, and those who will use it and should be available with Mango imo.
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I have no use for a FFC, and TBQH, I don't even want a phone with a FFC. I'll take an extra 8GB of space instead of a FFC for same price, plix...
Other than that, its additional software features that are needed most. Mango is taking care of a decent list of complaints I had as will Nokias Navtek data/Ovi maps, but there are still many things to be added.
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Agree, and Mango needed to be coming out now, not in six months. They really dropped the ball releasing basically a feature phone in the smartphone market.

N8ter said:
I agree, but the manufacturers charge too much for strage. Going from an 8 to 16 GB phone can easily add $100 to the price at times. It's ridiculous. They will nickle and dime at any opportunity.
Nokia phones only needed a decent size ROM. They have SD Card Slots. Same for Windows Mobile and to a lesser extent Android. iOS, WP7, and WebOS devices need at least 16 GB internal storage, because of the lack of an SD slot or the way the phone works with SD Cards (WP7).
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Nokia's N8 has 64GB internal storage (if I remember correctly). Doesn't NAND memory work better than internal + a removable SD card? I never got great performance out of my SD cards in BB, Android ect. And it seems MS wants everything to be sync'd through zune instead of having removable media ect.
I just hope there is an option for at least 32GB soon, but I would definitely prefer fast and efficient NAND storage like what the Focus has.
I have no use for a FFC, and TBQH, I don't even want a phone with a FFC. I'll take an extra 8GB of space instead of a FFC for same price, plix...
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I would as well.

dtboos said:
Nokia's N8 has 64GB internal storage (if I remember correctly). Doesn't NAND memory work better than internal + a removable SD card? I never got great performance out of my SD cards in BB, Android ect. And it seems MS wants everything to be sync'd through zune instead of having removable media ect.
I just hope there is an option for at least 32GB soon, but I would definitely prefer fast and efficient NAND storage like what the Focus has.
I would as well.
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The N8 does not have 64 GB storage. I'm pretty sure it's 16 GB + SD Card Slot, just like Galaxy S phones...
Yep, just checked... 16 GB Internal Storage with support for up to 32 GB SD Card.
I used to install all my apps to a Class 2 SD Card in Windows Mobile as well as put all my music and videos on it and never had any issues with performance.
In any case, that's not a factor. SD Cards for for media storage, and you can get a high class card if you need it. As long as the phone has a decent amount of internal storage it's not gonna be a problem
I just rather the phone come with at least 16GB internal so I don't feel like I have to splurge for an expensive big SD Card on top of an already expensive device. Plus, it makes a lot of sense...
With the way WP7 works with SD cards, they're better off putting in a large amount of internal storage. SD Cards are how swappable storage and when you make them unswappable it defeats the purpose of even having the slot - especially when you have to factory reset your phone everytime you want to change it (which means you're need to get the biggest card possible off the bad, or deal with a ridiculous inconvenience later on if you want to upgrade it)...
Also, until Microsoft mandates storage types most manufacturers will continue to use SD cards. It allows them to spend VERY little money putting lots of storage whilst charging consumers a ton of money simply because there is a lot of storage there... SD Cards are ridiculously cheap compared to NAND, but you'd never know in the pricing...
Also, if an SD Card goes bad, the phone is much easier to repair than another with a NAND chip soldered in. It's as easy as opening it up, replacing that card, and factory resetting the device then sending it back... That can potentially lower support costs as well

Looks like the 64GB N8 was an april fools gag...I fell for it :O
I wish my Focus had 16GB thats for sure. I chose it as it had the best form factor, best screen, and Samsung's Chipset/Memory was also top notch. Why they chose to only put in 8GB is beyond me.

Advice on Lumia

I am a member since XDA was an actual phone. Have been playing with 6.0 and 6.5 and ditched that for Android for obvious reasons. Now with phones like Lumia 900, Windows Phone looks more and more attractive.
I do however notice the lack of SD card support which is a big deal for me since my Atrix has 10GB built in and my 16GB card is almost full with music.
Question, is this a good moment to buy Lumia 900 or should I wait for windows 8 which may or may not support SD card, HDMI-out etc.
What do you think?

duchski said:
I am a member since XDA was an actual phone. Have been playing with 6.0 and 6.5 and ditched that for Android for obvious reasons. Now with phones like Lumia 900, Windows Phone looks more and more attractive.
I do however notice the lack of SD card support which is a big deal for me since my Atrix has 10GB built in and my 16GB card is almost full with music.
Question, is this a good moment to buy Lumia 900 or should I wait for windows 8 which may or may not support SD card, HDMI-out etc.
What do you think?
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The question is, would 16g + Cloud storage be enough for you? Sounds like no. So why even entertain the thought. Windows Phone 8 is said to have SD cards and such. If its that important to you, you have no choice but wait. As far as the OS goes....its getting better and willing have a stronger impact in the future....

Or there is always the Nokia Black N9 with 64GB storage

64GB Galaxy N2 Where?

Can any one tell me WHERE can I get the 64GB version of the Galaxy N2?
Any WebSore?
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The 64Gb version of the S3 is not launched yet so you might have to wait for 5 to 6 months before being able the purchase to 64Gb Note II ...

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The 64Gb version of the S3 is not launched yet so you might have to wait for 5 to 6 months before being able the purchase to 64Gb Note II ...
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HOW about the 32GB version?
I think there is already the S3 with 32gb in the market....

NDUTU said:
HOW about the 32GB version?
I think there is already the S3 with 32gb in the market....
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Yeah but its there any kind of note 2 in the market? What does s3 has to be with n2? And fyi 32gb and 64gb are for carrier contracts not for general public
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in germany you can preorder the 64GB version for 899€. I guess it won't come out that long after the 16/32GB versions and the price will drop soon...
http://geizhals.at/eu/?in=&fs=n7100

the s3 32gb version was what, released 6 months after the 16gb version? will samsung do the same with the note 2? highly annoying

Yea i think i would like a 64gb version as well. hope we have the choice early on.

NDUTU said:
Can any one tell me WHERE can I get the 64GB version of the Galaxy N2?
Any WebSore?
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I guess there will be a price difference between the 16gb, 32gb and 64gb. Since there is a micro sd slot, what would justify getting a 64gb as opposed to a 16 gb and just load up on the microsd card (guess it would work with a 64gb micro sd).

I also would be very happy when we finally get decent storage options from Samsung, in stead of the crippled 16GB + 64GB micro-sd we get forced down our throats for 2+ years now. There isn't a huge premium either, well there is now with the niche (=almost non-existent) space Samsung has given it in the market. Apple despite its many faults offers all kinds of storage options without restrictions and delays.

I wasn't aware that apple allowed for more storage than the cards we get, coulda swore they were stuck with less storage overall an no removable..... So they have a bigger drop box? Is this what your saying
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LordRalh3 said:
I wasn't aware that apple allowed for more storage than the cards we get, coulda swore they were stuck with less storage overall an no removable..... So they have a bigger drop box? Is this what your saying
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Go troll somewhere else..
I recently bought an iPad 3 with a continuous storage capacity of 64GB. Took me a month to fill it up, in a very straightforward manner. 12GB of this are Spotify music files which will be gone in 3 weeks or so, giving me some breathing space again. I bought the iPad because there still isn't a comparable (let alone better) high-end Android tablet available. Besides its superior screen, appearance and many more (exclusive) quality apps it is also the mediocre storage options I see offered for most Android tablets (especially those made by Samsung), which together were a big reason to go for Apple on the tablet front.
Mobile phone wise I have been a loyal Samsung customer for over 2 years, and would not trade my nearly 1 year old Samsung Galaxy Note for anything besides perhaps the SGN 2. I see the SGN 2 as their flagship model and a strong contender for best phone on the market. There hasn't been an Audio quality test on GSM Arena yet, but so far the only real let down of the Note 2 I have noticed is Samsungs continued budget approach to storage options.
The 64GB micro-sd in my SGN has been overly crammed for ages with vector maps, music clips etc. etc. But even if I didn't continually have to clean up the SGN suffers greatly from having only 16GB main storage. Many games (or Spotify for that matter) you cannot install/use with so little available main storage. The only option left open is to hack your 64GB to become your main storage, with its own drawbacks and quirks. I definitely don't want this cheap skate solution. So the only solid solution we get offered (again) is to buy a 32GB or 64GB version abroad (ebay) for a $$$$ premium when it becomes available in due cause.

Im not sure you understand math... To say im trolling and then claiming the 64gb ipad 3 memory is somehow larger than 64+ 16...samsung, hell if you get the 64 gb version of the samsung you have literally double the memory of the isheep
64 is not greater than 80...and i can move the 64 on the card to another device if i want; get a decent card instead of a crap class 2/4 and youll understand.
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LordRalh3 said:
Im not sure you understand math... To say im trolling and then claiming the 64gb ipad 3 memory is somehow larger than 64+ 16...samsung, hell if you get the 64 gb version of the samsung you have literally double the memory of the isheep
64 is not greater than 80...and i can move the 64 on the card to another device if i want; get a decent card instead of a crap class 2/4 and youll understand.
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I think you need to re-read his original post. -sigh- I know I'm feeding the troll here but I'll do it anyway.
He is saying that, Apple presents and releases the phone with all memory options available. With the iPhone you get 32/64gb variants right off the bat. You don't have to worry or wait for months at a time for a phone with more memory to come out.