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U.S Le Eco Pro3 discussion

Really good spec and pricing. $399 price tag , however with discount $100 for US resident which bring it down to $299. Just wondering if all the bands work with Tmobile and AT&T
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I'm probably going to grab one, but I need a CM / AOSP rom to be there.

Announcement says:
LTE-A, LTE, HSPA+, HSPA, UMTS, WCDMA, EDGE, GSM
LTE Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/29/30/38
which is everything T-Mobile and AT&T need AFAIK

The product code it's LEX727 not LEX720 as chinese version. Have a new ROM 5.8.0.18S and updated kernel.

losteagle said:
The product code it's LEX727 not LEX720 as chinese version. Have a new ROM 5.8.0.18S and updated kernel.
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Yeah, the product version is different, but as ericerk mentioned, this needs CM/AOSP support (and kernel support) for it to be REALLY worthwhile. Not sure how I feel about just plugging in another chinese skin/ui on a phone, no matter the specs.

Are they releasing a limited amount of the Pro3 for their flash sale?
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has anyone seen the software for the Le Pro 3 phone called EUI 5.8?
im ok with it if it works and is not garbage. The hardware for the flash sale price of $299 is a steal.
otherwise im going with the OnePlus 3T coming out soon which is definitely going to have CM14 ported to it by someone. probably will only cost $399 I hope.

No offense but the device does sound like a good buy. But let's be honest, there to many great phones out in this price range now(Nexus 6p, op3, g4 plus, etc) that worrying about development is kinda dumb when those phones I mentioned offer tons of it already. Then on top of that 6p already on 7.1.1 dev preview, and g4 plus has soak test leak build of 7.0 out now......
Then on top of that the phone is on 6.0 MM....Why not 6.0.1 or especially 7.0?
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903tex said:
No offense but the device does sound like a good buy. But let's be honest, there to many great phones out in this price range now(Nexus 6p, op3, g4 plus, etc) that worrying about development is kinda dumb when those phones I mentioned offer tons of it already. Then on top of that 6p already on 7.1.1 dev preview, and g4 plus has soak test leak build of 7.0 out now......
Then on top of that the phone is on 6.0 MM....Why not 6.0.1 or especially 7.0?
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yea, I think you have a good point. I am starting to lean towards the oneplus phones, as they seem more dev friendly, and the company has no problems releasing source codes eventually for their phones.

today i got mine. and its a really nice and fast phone BUT the contrast and the colours are not the beste.
my last phone was a samsung note 4 and the display is even better.

The official Leeco products for US :
http://us.lemall.com/us/index.html
The Le Pro3 US version offer :
http://us.lemall.com/us/phone/leeco_le_pro3/index.html
Note in specification : Not compatible with CDMA Carriers in U.S. (Verizon/Sprint /Boost )

chinanewby said:
today i got mine. and its a really nice and fast phone BUT the contrast and the colours are not the beste.
my last phone was a samsung note 4 and the display is even better.
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Is yours the US model? I'm asking because I'm curious if it's as easy to bootloader unlock as the chinese model.

oh sorry wrong thread i got the european version

I'm very interested in the Le Pro 3. I currently have a Nexus 6 and have been considering an upgrade. I was about to pull the trigger on the Axon 7 but then I saw the promo for $299. An incredible price for the specifications. The biggest minus is no SDCard and questionable about how much development there will be. On the other hand the price and battery are worth considering. Must be rootable (which this phone is).
I cut my cable and phone off ages ago and rely on netflix / amazon prime for entertainment, so the streaming content might be something I'd be interested in as well.
Unfortunately I have only 1 shot (money is tight) and I'd hate to spend my one shot at an upgrade to get a dud. Decisions decisions....

truthlesshero said:
Yeah, the product version is different, but as ericerk mentioned, this needs CM/AOSP support (and kernel support) for it to be REALLY worthwhile. Not sure how I feel about just plugging in another chinese skin/ui on a phone, no matter the specs.
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i got the 720 international version of the phone which has dual sime , 6G Ram, 64 Ram, and the EUI5.8 i was told the EUI5.8 for both US and 'internation version' are almost same. as least for the main functionality part of it. here are some screen shoot. i feel it is better than the google's mm 6.0. and some niche control features. see the attached. i have used the phone for only few days. so far, the performance is very good ( lightning fast) and the battery just last ( compare to my old Samsung note 5), and with the built in phone management tool, you wont need other power saving apps. i compared to use greenify or just phone's power management, the battery performances are the same. so i removed the greenify. basically, i noticed there are quiet few firmware update for other LeEco previous models. so hopefully we will get good support for this new model as well. compare to native google phone, i prefer LeEco's control function . press the left bottom, you will get the full control interface which allow you to do few things in one screen. very handy!

I read online somewhere that on the Nov 2nd flash sale there is only an limited amount of devices that qualify for the $299 price

toanau said:
I read online somewhere that on the Nov 2nd flash sale there is only an limited amount of devices that qualify for the $299 price
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During the Nov. 2 flash sale each customer is limited to 5 devices at the discounted rate, assuming the member has claimed the coupon all 5 times. Also, there is limited stock so be sure to order as soon as you can and if you do happen to miss the sale, don't worry there will be another.

I lost my Nexus 6 to water damage and ordered OnePlus 3, but their supply is very slow, it's taking more than 3 weeks to get shipped, so when Le Pro 3 was launched, I cancelled my OnePlus 3 order and waiting for Nov 2 to order it. With new manufacturer there are so many unknowns, but it this price point I am pretty sure enough people will buy this phone that we will have very good support for this phone on xda.

bocondo said:
I lost my Nexus 6 to water damage and ordered OnePlus 3, but their supply is very slow, it's taking more than 3 weeks to get shipped, so when Le Pro 3 was launched, I cancelled my OnePlus 3 order and waiting for Nov 2 to order it. With new manufacturer there are so many unknowns, but it this price point I am pretty sure enough people will buy this phone that we will have very good support for this phone on xda.
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I wonder if the slow down of shipments is due to the new oneplus 3T coming out soon??
I am not worried about dev support for le pro 3. I am worried about LeEco being lame and never releasing source code. they posted the source code on opensource.le.com but then took it down. Some people are saying the code was bad anyway. devs cant really do anything without the kernal source, its not worth their time and energy in that case.

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I read online somewhere that on the Nov 2nd flash sale there is only an limited amount of devices that qualify for the $299 price
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It says on the site that supplies are limited. In the Chinese debut they sold out 500,000 units in 15 seconds. I think US release might have less units but also it will have less buyers.

Thinking whether to buy LG G7 ThinQ or wait for V40 (a V20 User)

Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40? Most importantly I am from India and If I buy G7, I will get G7 with Quad DAC.
I am not sure why G7 released with Oreo 8.0 not 8.1 (New Software upgrade center team wont have time to give 8.1 to latest flagship??)
As far as the early reviews I like G7 for the below features.
1. 16 MP wide angle CAM and AI enabled Primary CAM
2. 18:9 display, Brightest screen with 1000 Nits.
3. Obviously latest SD845
I don't like G7 for the below
1. QC 3.0 charger in the box even though phone supports 4.0
2. Less battery compared to V20 and V30
3. Hybrid Sim slot. V20 has dedicated slot.
Biggest reason why I can think of skipping G7 and wait for V40
Hope V40 will come with Android P since in a month or so my V20 will have 8.0. so buying G7 wont make any difference I think

krk2krk said:
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40? Most importantly I am from India and If I buy G7, I will get G7 with Quad DAC.
I am not sure why G7 released with Oreo 8.0 not 8.1 (New Software upgrade center team wont have time to give 8.1 to latest flagship??)
As far as the early reviews I like G7 for the below features.
1. 16 MP wide angle CAM and AI enabled Primary CAM
2. 18:9 display, Brightest screen with 1000 Nits.
3. Obviously latest SD845
I don't like G7 for the below
1. QC 3.0 charger in the box even though phone supports 4.0
2. Less battery compared to V20 and V30
3. Hybrid Sim slot. V20 has dedicated slot.
Biggest reason why I can think of skipping G7 and wait for V40
Hope V40 will come with Android P since in a month or so my V20 will have 8.0. so buying G7 wont make any difference I think
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G7 has no 18:9 aspect ratio i think its around 19,5:9 (i think this doesnt matter, i think your were relating to small bezels i guess)
The other Pros seem legit.
About the cons:
I would not care so much about the charger.
I would suggest to wait for reviews here in the forum and youtubers to judge the battery. I think it will be similar to the S8. (people will argue that they claim the screen is 30% more efficient and that it has 2 generations newer SoC but at the end of the day, your have an octacore flagship SoC and a 1000nit bright screen... this is sucking all batteries dry dont fool yourself. especially if you buy the phone for the bright mode and the high performance (you mentioned that these are important to you) there is no reason in arguing that the battery life will be any good. from what i heard the boost is 3min maximum because the phone overheates after that... you can guess that its the battery overheating since its draining so fast. this is bad for battery lifetime in general as well as battery life througout the day)
I am not sure what your mean with the sim card slot. But if you need 2 sim cards, i guess you will have to manage with the 64/128 gig of storage. i think thats enough for most people.
I dont think that the V40 will arrive with Android P. I think it will take them longer. The V30 did not arrive with Oreo as far a i know.
I belive though that the Price will drop rapidly. The G6 was 700 Euros in Germany and 2 months later already it was down to 450 Euros. You dont need to know anything about Euros to see that the price dropped significantly in a short period of time. If you wait for the V40, you can decide for yourself what is the better phone but when it arrives the G7 will probably be down to 60% of its starting price.

0alfred0 said:
G7 has no 18:9 aspect ratio i think its around 19,5:9 (i think this doesnt matter, i think your were relating to small bezels i guess)
The other Pros seem legit.
About the cons:
I would not care so much about the charger.
I would suggest to wait for reviews here in the forum and youtubers to judge the battery. I think it will be similar to the S8. (people will argue that they claim the screen is 30% more efficient and that it has 2 generations newer SoC but at the end of the day, your have an octacore flagship SoC and a 1000nit bright screen... this is sucking all batteries dry dont fool yourself. especially if you buy the phone for the bright mode and the high performance (you mentioned that these are important to you) there is no reason in arguing that the battery life will be any good. from what i heard the boost is 3min maximum because the phone overheates after that... you can guess that its the battery overheating since its draining so fast. this is bad for battery lifetime in general as well as battery life througout the day)
I am not sure what your mean with the sim card slot. But if you need 2 sim cards, i guess you will have to manage with the 64/128 gig of storage. i think thats enough for most people.
I dont think that the V40 will arrive with Android P. I think it will take them longer. The V30 did not arrive with Oreo as far a i know.
I belive though that the Price will drop rapidly. The G6 was 700 Euros in Germany and 2 months later already it was down to 450 Euros. You dont need to know anything about Euros to see that the price dropped significantly in a short period of time. If you wait for the V40, you can decide for yourself what is the better phone but when it arrives the G7 will probably be down to 60% of its starting price.
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Thanks for taking your time and reply to the post. I will surely wait for some weeks to get more reviews and then decide.
Btw why do you think V40 wont come with Android P, I got V20 with Nougat before anyother device with latest android in that period.

0alfred0 said:
The G6 was 700 Euros in Germany and 2 months later already it was down to 450 Euros.
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How much does V30 cost now in DE after half year and how big is it's price loss?
krk2krk said:
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40?
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I'm eager to buy G7, in my case it probably would be 128/6Gb variant. I'm tired waiting for specbump, 845 seems to be lots better over 820 in V20. I'm sitting on V20, too. As for V40 it's too long to wait, and still I'm almost sure it'll have same 845 , same 6Gb and only difference might be OLED, just tad bit better quality than V30. Is it worth waiting another 6 month? IDTS, I don't think so.
Probably MI7 or 1+6, U12 will be some overwhelming devices, and I'd prefer one of them to G7, anyway G7 won't appear until June
If until June Youtubers will show some major problems with G7 I'll then retreat and buy V30 or Pixel2XL instead and then happily wait for V40

V30 is like 500€ on Amazon right now, started at 900€ last December, arrived pretty late. By that time nobody wanted to buy it lol they just take too long to make it available in Europe. Like 3 months after presentation.

0alfred0 said:
By that time nobody wanted to buy it lol they just take too long to make it available in Europe. Like 3 months after presentation.
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Whatever. Like if LG had made it available in September on Europe Amazon somebody would've bought it for 900 €. No. Nobody. It would lay on shelves the same until price eventually dropped to 400 €

On your reason for waiting for the V40 as it might support dual sim AND a separate SD card slot, I don't think it will. The V30 ThinQ has the same configuration as the LG G6/G7 (https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v30s_thinq-9090.php), so you give up SIM 2 for the SD card. I thought I was going to be disappointed when I got my dual SIM G6 because of this, but I wasn't. I keep both SIMs in full time, and as @0alfred0 said, I have enough memory on the phone and don't really need it anyway.

@krk2krk you bought g7 bro? Am interested if we can unlock the bootloader of Indian version. Or what version is that we are getting? Any idea

There is a lot I like about this phone. Great sound, good screen and decent brightness with a loud speaker. Be prepared for bad battery life. LG just doesn't optimize well. My HTC u11 has the same size battery and getting 7 hours sot was normal. I once got 9 hours sot.
I just purchased a battery case which adds 4700 mah to the existing 3000. Now I can run at max brightness and max resolution.

fernando sor said:
. Now I can run at max brightness and max resolution.
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Does resolution even effect this phones battery?

fernando sor said:
Be prepared for bad battery life. LG just doesn't optimize well. My HTC u11 has the same size battery and getting 7 hours sot was normal. I once got 9 hours sot
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That's wrong. U11 had 835 SoC which is much more cooler and energy efficient than 845 which is hot and power hungry. U11 is suited to compare with LG V30, V30 had same battery life to U11 because same SoC
And also U11 had much less bright screen, with max brightness around 350nit, MAX. G7 in daylight boosts to 1000nit, while U11 will keep 350 only. Because of that U11 will show better battery life, you just may keep your G7's brightness at 80% without auto on to keep its brightness at 350-400nits. If you turn autobrightness in G7 on than it'll suck juice very quicker than U11

krk2krk said:
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40? Most importantly I am from India and If I buy G7, I will get G7 with Quad DAC.
I am not sure why G7 released with Oreo 8.0 not 8.1 (New Software upgrade center team wont have time to give 8.1 to latest flagship??)
As far as the early reviews I like G7 for the below features.
1. 16 MP wide angle CAM and AI enabled Primary CAM
2. 18:9 display, Brightest screen with 1000 Nits.
3. Obviously latest SD845
I don't like G7 for the below
1. QC 3.0 charger in the box even though phone supports 4.0
2. Less battery compared to V20 and V30
3. Hybrid Sim slot. V20 has dedicated slot.
Biggest reason why I can think of skipping G7 and wait for V40
Hope V40 will come with Android P since in a month or so my V20 will have 8.0. so buying G7 wont make any difference I think
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I recommend waiting for the V40 as it will be a better device with much better features. Especially battery life will be better as it will be equipped with an OLED panel

dieselhazza said:
I recommend waiting for the V40 as it will be a better device with much better features
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It'll cost at minimum $950 at least until Christmas

Ashish.akc said:
@krk2krk you bought g7 bro? Am interested if we can unlock the bootloader of Indian version. Or what version is that we are getting? Any idea
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Nope Bro. I decided to go with V40.

dieselhazza said:
I recommend waiting for the V40 as it will be a better device with much better features. Especially battery life will be better as it will be equipped with an OLED panel
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I am waiting for V40 currently. I hope people seen the leaked render of V40 and it has 5 cameras. I am really looking forward to buy a phone with latest Android now. I am sure that G7 will get 9.0 next year.
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It'll cost at minimum $950 at least until Christmas
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G7 released in India for 570$ and I hope LG now understand well about getting customers who buy their flagship phone. so V40 will come around 600$ in India.

krk2krk said:
G7 released in India for 570$ and I hope LG now understand well about getting customers who buy their flagship phone. so V40 will come around 600$ in India.
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Around Summer '19? Yeah. You know that G7 is a half-year old phone? So it's selling for $600 everywhere around the world

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Around Summer '19? Yeah. You know that G7 is a half-year old phone? So it's selling for $600 everywhere around the world
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Agree but waiting for few months to get a flagship for 600$ is good right

Waiting for few months till summer '19 means you get 8 months old not so top flagship phone. It isn't very smart idea, is it?

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Agree but waiting for few months to get a flagship for 600$ is good right
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Of course. I'm too still waiting for price drop of G7. What I mean is just that lg is not selling G7 in India cheap. From the start. It's about time to announce V40 and price for G7 dropped to 600 so LG are starting to bring g7 on not so rich markets.
BTW is G7 sold in India "made in India" also? As I've read V30 had been assembled in India,probably V40 will be too

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Of course. I'm too still waiting for price drop of G7. What I mean is just that lg is not selling G7 in India cheap. From the start. It's about time to announce V40 and price for G7 dropped to 600 so LG are starting to bring g7 on not so rich markets.
BTW is G7 sold in India "made in India" also? As I've read V30 had been assembled in India,probably V40 will be too
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You are right on that.

Why is no one developing a custom Oreo ROM for the moto e4 plus?

I just bought my moto e4 plus last year and now i find out there will be no Oreo update but what i can't understand is why no one else is making a custom ROM that actually works? I did hear one rumor that Oreo wont work on this phone because of the MediaTek Chipset anyone know if this is true?

MediaTek chips are for non-USA models, I think
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I just bought my moto e4 plus last year and now i find out there will be no Oreo update but what i can't understand is why no one else is making a custom ROM that actually works? I did hear one rumor that Oreo wont work on this phone because of the MediaTek Chipset anyone know if this is true?
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Qualcomm
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MediaTek chips are for non-USA models, I think
Sent from my Moto E (4) Plus using Tapatalk
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Actually i used CPU-z to check my moto e and it has a qualcomm processor i thought it was mediatek but i guess not, but still i am hoping someone will eventually create a custom rom for this phone i think its sad Motorola does not care when they just released this last year.

mastertrobs said:
Actually i used CPU-z to check my moto e and it has a qualcomm processor i thought it was mediatek but i guess not, but still i am hoping someone will eventually create a custom rom for this phone i think its sad Motorola does not care when they just released this last year.
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Both variants, mediatek and qualcomm can run oreo, for the qualcomm variant it could be more easier than the mediatek variant

Because Motorola never released kernel source for an Oreo build. Bunch of stuff got changed between Nougat and Oreo. There has been some initial success taking bulds for similar devices, but full support is still slowly being hacked together. Patience.

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Because Motorola never released kernel source for an Oreo build. Bunch of stuff got changed between Nougat and Oreo. There has been some initial success taking bulds for similar devices, but full support is still slowly being hacked together. Patience.
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I contacted Motorola for this specific model and they told me that the Moto e4 plus will remain on Nougat now for what reason i have no idea, i made snapshot of Motorola's responds to my inquiry about this issue
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Avpq0qSxR9R7KcrK4bzp3DUnfLZm-spHQ8QZyqDJK-k/edit?usp=sharing[/IMG]

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I contacted Motorola for this specific model and they told me that the Moto e4 plus will remain on Nougat now for what reason i have no idea, i made snapshot of Motorola's responds to my inquiry about this issue
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Avpq0qSxR9R7KcrK4bzp3DUnfLZm-spHQ8QZyqDJK-k/edit?usp=sharing[/IMG]
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Because there is no money in supporting low end, low margin devices like this.

Define low Margin?
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Because there is no money in supporting low end, low margin devices like this.
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Define Low Margin? So Moto e4 plus is low end? Despite it not able to update to oreo the phone function's well it does snapchat, Twitter, Youtube, and everything i need it to do, and it has a 5000 mAh battery in which is much better than some flagship junk i have seen. Also i would like to add i do not consider a 200 dollar phone being low end i would rather spend $200.00 dollars on a lower end phone than some fool that pays $800.00 for an iphone that has outdated hardware and a display that they claim is top of the line or one of a kind when in reality it is just a standard IPS display. I would really like to know why you would think hardware wise that the moto e is low end why because it wont play fallout or you can't do high end video editing lol in reality only fools pay over 200-500 dollars for a phone

Your personal preferences does not change the math of the situation. The Moto E4 Plus is a low volume budget phone. It's designed to fill the market of first time users, emerging markets, and people who can't afford a $20/month phone payment. In the US, that market isn't very big. The highest selling phones are consistently Apple and high end Samsung devices. These routinely get 60% margin or better. Apple and Samsung are companies that can essentially leverage those huge sales numbers to dictate pricing from their suppliers. Lenovo is not in that dominate position.
For the sake of argument, we will assume that the Moto E4 Plus sells as many devices as a high end device and has as good of margins (both assumptions that are very unlikely to be true).
$180 X 60% Margin = $108 gross profit per device
$800 X 60% Margin = $480 gross profit per device
Which one would you spend your finite engineering resources on?
"$800.00 for an iphone that has outdated hardware and a display that they claim is top of the line or one of a kind when in reality it is just a standard IPS display."
That outdated when launched $800 iPhone 6s from 2015 has better single core performance than the current top of the line Snapdragon 845 and a display that blows any current $200 or less phone out of the water. Not bad for a 3 year old device. There isn't a single hardware spec on the Moto E4 Plus that beats out <4 year old iPhone except sdcard and the battery capacity. And you pay for that battery capacity with huge dimensions.
I have a Moto E4 Plus because I needed a cheap device quickly. It was the least bad choice. I don't have any illusions about what this phone is or isn't If I were unconstrained by budget it would not have been even in the running.

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Your personal preferences does not change the math of the situation. The Moto E4 Plus is a low volume budget phone. It's designed to fill the market of first time users, emerging markets, and people who can't afford a $20/month phone payment. In the US, that market isn't very big. The highest selling phones are consistently Apple and high end Samsung devices. These routinely get 60% margin or better. Apple and Samsung are companies that can essentially leverage those huge sales numbers to dictate pricing from their suppliers. Lenovo is not in that dominate position.
For the sake of argument, we will assume that the Moto E4 Plus sells as many devices as a high end device and has as good of margins (both assumptions that are very unlikely to be true).
$180 X 60% Margin = $108 gross profit per device
$800 X 60% Margin = $480 gross profit per device
Which one would you spend your finite engineering resources on?
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Your Logic don't make since because i also have the Moto G5 plus which is the same price as the Moto e4 plus and it received the Oreo update, and there are older devices that Motorola is also pushing the update to also i bought my moto e4 plus from the factory unlocked i am using it under [email protected] prepaid unlimited for $65.00 dollars a month. The payment for the phone itself has nothing to do with what you pay for phone service a month unless you sign a contract also i will admit the Moto e Line is not the highest end phone but it's also not low end i consider it a mid-range phone but in my opinion even the mid range to lower end phones should get the same updates at the same time hell i even seen some $70.00 phones shipped with Oreo, all in all though once i researched more into Oreo i actually read its not all its cracked up to be and they changed alot of stuff and some prefer nougat anyways so its not that disappointing that this phone wont receive it i guess i am just keeping this phone for the 5000 mAh battery and that is a big plus for this phone

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Your Logic don't make since because i also have the Moto G5 plus which is the same price as the Moto e4 plus and it received the Oreo update, and there are older devices that Motorola is also pushing the update to also i bought my moto e4 plus from the factory unlocked i am using it under [email protected] prepaid unlimited for $65.00 dollars a month. The payment for the phone itself has nothing to do with what you pay for phone service a month unless you sign a contract also i will admit the Moto e Line is not the highest end phone but it's also not low end i consider it a mid-range phone but in my opinion even the mid range to lower end phones should get the same updates at the same time hell i even seen some $70.00 phones shipped with Oreo, all in all though once i researched more into Oreo i actually read its not all its cracked up to be and they changed alot of stuff and some prefer nougat anyways so its not that disappointing that this phone wont receive it i guess i am just keeping this phone for the 5000 mAh battery and that is a big plus for this phone
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"Your Logic don't make since because i also have the Moto G5 plus which is the same price as the Moto e4 plus and it received the Oreo update"
The Moto G5 Plus has an MSRP that is 30% higher than the Moto E4 Plus. It also likely sold more due to more desirable specs. Doesn't matter what the sale price was to get you to activate a line, that's up to the carrier. Lenovo still makes the same amount. In the end the economics simply didn't make sense to Lenovo to spend engineering resources making and validating an update.
"hell i even seen some $70.00 phones shipped with Oreo"
If Oreo source is out when you are making a phone, there are a lot less hurdles to ship it with Oreo. Moto E4 Plus came out before Oreo was released.
"all in all though once i researched more into Oreo i actually read its not all its cracked up to be and they changed alot of stuff and some prefer nougat anyways so its not that disappointing that this phone wont receive it i guess i am just keeping this phone for the 5000 mAh battery and that is a big plus for this phone"
Then why are you going on about this?

hecksagon said:
"Your Logic don't make since because i also have the Moto G5 plus which is the same price as the Moto e4 plus and it received the Oreo update"
The Moto G5 Plus has an MSRP that is 30% higher than the Moto E4 Plus. It also likely sold more due to more desirable specs. Doesn't matter what the sale price was to get you to activate a line, that's up to the carrier. Lenovo still makes the same amount. In the end the economics simply didn't make sense to Lenovo to spend engineering resources making and validating an update.
"hell i even seen some $70.00 phones shipped with Oreo"
If Oreo source is out when you are making a phone, there are a lot less hurdles to ship it with Oreo. Moto E4 Plus came out before Oreo was released.
"all in all though once i researched more into Oreo i actually read its not all its cracked up to be and they changed alot of stuff and some prefer nougat anyways so its not that disappointing that this phone wont receive it i guess i am just keeping this phone for the 5000 mAh battery and that is a big plus for this phone"
Then why are you going on about this?
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Well i started this topic originally to ask why no one else is going to develop a custom Oreo ROM for the Moto e4 or hasn't yet, it was not until after i started looking into the reviews about Android Oreo that i found out most still prefer nougat, eventually i will just find a custom ROM when someone decides to develop one

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Define Low Margin? So Moto e4 plus is low end? Despite it not able to update to oreo the phone function's well it does snapchat, Twitter, Youtube, and everything i need it to do, and it has a 5000 mAh battery in which is much better than some flagship junk i have seen. Also i would like to add i do not consider a 200 dollar phone being low end i would rather spend $200.00 dollars on a lower end phone than some fool that pays $800.00 for an iphone that has outdated hardware and a display that they claim is top of the line or one of a kind when in reality it is just a standard IPS display. I would really like to know why you would think hardware wise that the moto e is low end why because it wont play fallout or you can't do high end video editing lol in reality only fools pay over 200-500 dollars for a phone
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well said !
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Well i started this topic originally to ask why no one else is going to develop a custom Oreo ROM for the Moto e4 or hasn't yet, it was not until after i started looking into the reviews about Android Oreo that i found out most still prefer nougat, eventually i will just find a custom ROM when someone decides to develop one
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you know what if it never happens to tell you the truth I don't care giving the beta , stable ect... ruining linageOS on my owens and love it !

bcrichster said:
MediaTek chips are for non-USA models, I think
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I just want an Oreo rom for the (Owens) and I could live happily

It's lonely up here - V50 - will you come?

LG has a present for you...
UPDATE:
Here is what to expect if you head for V50!
Sound quality increased by 5-10% over G7, don't know how much over v30.
RCS messages from Google fully working.
Stellar battery life ~9 hours with some heavy usage - for example downloaded and uploaded today via wifi and lte around 15 GB, one software update, and some 4K60FPS with super steady mode enabled - around 20 min total movies, some photos, 2 hours of tidal with Bluetooth ldac and screen off, the rest for websurfing and YouTube.
Stellar cameras. Best out there. Tested VS note 10 plus and p30pro. P30pro is a big s... t, except in zoom
Stellar display. My wife has regular s10 and V50 is better. Same blacks, same VIVID COLORS, but WAAAAY better WHITE.
Camera software has so many settings, not gimmicks. Really nice video editing software.
Nice design. Those cameras under glass are so sexy.
5G
Really nice Haptic vibrator.
Better boom box speaker compared with g7
Each mobth I got an update. 2 on July, one on August in fact
What else!? TV app and more functions that I didn't had on G7.

4 me? nice

Looking to get some devs over to the v50?

It's a perfect phone. Feel free to ask anything. I can give you feedback.

Stuckurface said:
Looking to get some devs over to the v50?
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kinda

Not even launched in India

Inerent said:
LG has a present for you...
Ask if interested.
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What exactly are you going on about?
And, you do realize (hopefully) that this is the LG V30 subforum, right? Right?

Inerent said:
kinda
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First you gotta fix LGs marketing ... especially in Europe... V50 is available at ... what? 2 or 3 carriers (in whole europe).
Otherwise no normal shop even has it, only thing i find (in shops from germany/austria/uk/poland via price comparison site) is an offer from ebay for 900€.

Inerent said:
LG has a present for you...
Ask if interested.
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What, a free phone or something?
Not really interested in any of the 1st generation "5G" phones.

Other than the European dual screen version which v50 is Bootloader unlockable?

lg v50
is it better than v30

Just buy an lg g8
Better price available triple cameras (in europe) and offer the same features as the v50 just if you want DUAL DISPLAY or 5G just waiiiiiiiiiiitttt and throw 200$ for extra nothing

Alibaba0101 said:
Other than the European dual screen version which v50 is Bootloader unlockable?
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Nope. But this phone is so perfect. RCS working. 9 hours SOT, excelent dac and amp, etc
Cameras crushing note 10 and p30 pro, except on zoom. Tested myself.
Amazing display
Our forum is empty...:crying:

Inerent said:
Nope. But this phone is so perfect. RCS working. 9 hours SOT, excelent dac and amp, etc
Cameras crushing note 10 and p30 pro, except on zoom. Tested myself.
Amazing display
Our forum is empty...:crying:
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V60 is coming in couple of months.
https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v60
With the V50 appearing to be a flop, LG's trying its hand again with the V60. The V60 is expected to be announced during IFA 2019, and this is everything we know about the phone so far.
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That will be better "5G" phone and better cameras. But I'm still holding onto my V30+.

I hope the V70 (not a typo) won't have a notch or any sort of cut in the screen and keeps the headphone jack. In that case it will be my next phone... in 4 years after i'm done with my V30

Blueice87 said:
I hope the V70 (not a typo) won't have a notch or any sort of cut in the screen and keeps the headphone jack. In that case it will be my next phone... in 4 years after i'm done with my V30
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Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.

ChazzMatt said:
Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.
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I think you're already set for a few years. The V35 is like the perfect upgrade after a V30

V30 has RCS, VoLTE and Wifi Calling too. My LTE speeds on Sprint are 200 Mbps. Right now there is no incentive for me to upgrade to a battery hogging 5G phone especially with all the health concerns.

ChazzMatt said:
Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.
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Why not use the v35 though and keep current v30 as backup? It has better specs

tech_infinity said:
Why not use the v35 though and keep current v30 as backup? It has better specs
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Because overall, my V30+ is better.
V35 is only 64GB internal memory, while my V30+ is 128GB. (The only V35+ was sold in Brazil, and I cannot get it over the internet. Even if I could, they want about $1,200 for it.) Yes, I have microSD card, but I like using internal memory better when possible.
V35 rooting very hard, there's no do-it-yourself. Unless there's something I'm not aware of, you have to ship your phone off to some other country or let someone remote in and hack your phone. I bought it when @runningnak3d was intently working on a root method, but his life focus changed and he no longer does that.
There's a older version of TWRP for V35 -- but no one seems to be using it. No reports it works with Pie. People who do root either can't install TWRP due to no fastboot or just don't seem to be using it. There's no devs over there working on it.
If just wanted to run a non-rooted phone with the same internal memory I had back in 2014 (64GB Moto Quark), yes it's a great phone.
My current phone has 128GB internal memory (plus my microSD card), is rooted. I have all the tweets and mods that I want. Anxious V30 module gives me updated camera features, plus dual speaker mode. With Xposed, I have the status bar icons I want. I have call auto recording, lots of other stuff. I see no reason to change right now.
I'm keeping the V35, of course -- and at some point may be my wife's "new" phone. I was just hoping for something as good as my V30+.
I waited 3 years between my 2014 Moto Quark and the 2017 LG V30, and I can wait another 3 years.

General Nothing phone 2 is coming soon

Carl pei confirms and also listed on Flipkart Nothing phone 2 launched soon in this summer and comes with Snapdragon 8 series's processor

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Carl pei confirms and also listed on Flipkart Nothing phone 2 launched soon in this summer and comes with Snapdragon 8 series's processor
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Yes, the most real and important question: Will it be unlockable and support custom recoveries?

In future may be

I just want one single thing: free EDL mode.

Any ideas on pricing and main differences? I'm not into the whole better quality camera thing.
Hopefully it will have features that can really set it apart from other phones in this price range.

i hope feel like OnePlus early days Flagship

Unlike OnePlus that's no longer offering unbrick tool for newer models, Nothing Phone 2 will likely be the only flagship phone fully moddable with Lineage OS and other firmwares, other than a few factory unlocked Motorolas.

satelliteseeker said:
Unlike OnePlus that's no longer offering unbrick tool for newer models, Nothing Phone 2 will likely be the only flagship phone fully moddable with Lineage OS and other firmwares, other than a few factory unlocked Motorolas.
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They do have an MSM tool for new devices, but it's just not free... Even for repair companies.
Bare in mind they never gave us the MSM tool it was always leaked.
Hopefully Nothing can offer us something similar where it's free for us to use even if it is a leak, the main thing we would need for ROMs is a complete source release, which they have done with their previous device so they should this time too I would have thought, there's a strong chance there will be ROMs for the 2
I also agree it's pretty much the only company left that may offer modders a phone worthwhile buying, pixel would be my other choice.
Fingers crossed Xmas comes early for us all.

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Thats good news! Im soo glad they are developing something like a Flagship Killer with the Snapdragon 8 Series processors. Pixel 8 and Nothing Phone 2 would face a standoff battle with the iPhone 15 being a spectator, I can see that happening cause iPhone is almost never in the game (cause there are always people who go for them in spite of whats offered).

Expect US version will be $800 (12/512)

mingkee said:
Expect US version will be $800 (12/512)
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Is that confirmed?

Nothing Phone (2): Flagship pricing leaks with 512 GB storage option for Phone (1) successor
According to a reliable leaker, Nothing has priced its second-generation smartphone for 55% more than last year's Phone (1). Equipped with a Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1 chipset and sporting a familiar design, the Nothing Phone (2) is rumoured to launch with 256 GB and 512 GB of storage variants.
www.notebookcheck.net
Estimated
850 Euro

dladz said:
They do have an MSM tool for new devices, but it's just not free... Even for repair companies.
Bare in mind they never gave us the MSM tool it was always leaked.
Hopefully Nothing can offer us something similar where it's free for us to use even if it is a leak, the main thing we would need for ROMs is a complete source release, which they have done with their previous device so they should this time too I would have thought, there's a strong chance there will be ROMs for the 2
I also agree it's pretty much the only company left that may offer modders a phone worthwhile buying, pixel would be my other choice.
Fingers crossed Xmas comes early for us all.
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Fingers crossed.
Moreover, I really wish Netflix and cable TV app will work after bootloader unlocked (and probably L1 maintained).
If so, it will be my next phone (512GB version of course) as soon as T-Mobile B71/N71 supported

mingkee said:
Fingers crossed.
Moreover, I really wish Netflix and cable TV app will work after bootloader unlocked (and probably L1 maintained).
If so, it will be my next phone (512GB version of course) as soon as T-Mobile B71/N71 supported
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I'm a year away from an upgrade Mar 2024.. really sucks but there you go...might wait til July and get the nothing 3, if it's anything like OnePlus then the 3 will be a beast as the OnePlus was.