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Did the Pixel XL not take off as well as the Nexus 6P?

Just wondering how the Pixel XL did against the Nexus 6P?
I'm looking to upgrade to the S8+, but now I'm thinking to wait for the Pixel XXL.

It did better overall but we don't know how much since Google doesn't reveal. Also issues with availability did not help.
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The fact they could not keep stock of the 128Gig model, I think they under estimated demand.
Still love the Pixel XL even though new phones have been replaced.

I believe it sold a lot better because of how much they marketed it and it was being pushed by Verizon who has the most subscribers. I don't think they've published actual numbers to support this, but they definitely sold more units.

In just terms of development Nexus wins hands down.

Taebom said:
In just terms of development Nexus wins hands down.
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True.
Even the Nexus 5X has far more development.

Taebom said:
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Agree, also the 5x and 6p were loaded for bear. As for the Pixel / XL I believe (my beliefs only don't go flaming) the slots for flashing are causing issues for those not totally familiar with the proper commands, monthly updates breaking twrp and root, SafetyNet breaking with each update, Verizon locking their bootloaders and the biggest.. The phone works great without a custom rom or kernel.
So if you desperately need root then I believe a lot of people are simply rooting stock so they can use ad blocking or feel they have total control over their device. (until they brick it but that's another discussion) I've really never seen so many experienced rooters and users here running stock. I wouldn't even unlock the bootloader (well I can't with Verizon) even though I wouldn't mind having the ability to do so for the future. So why would the devs spend time making a custom rom when there are limited users willing to use it?
Someone should make a poll of how many people who are experienced in rooting, unlocking, crack flashing (haven't heard that term in a while) etc. previous devices are now staying stock.
Rooted every device previously: But now..
1. Running Pixel / XL stock bl locked
2. Running Pixel / XL stock bl unlocked
3. Stock rooted
4. Custom rom
Might be interesting. My poll is number 1. The results might give you a clue as to why development is lighter for this device.

They still can't keep up with the demand 6 months later, that should answer the question

bobby janow said:
Agree, also the 5x and 6p were loaded for bear. As for the Pixel / XL I believe (my beliefs only don't go flaming) the slots for flashing are causing issues for those not totally familiar with the proper commands, monthly updates breaking twrp and root, SafetyNet breaking with each update, Verizon locking their bootloaders and the biggest.. The phone works great without a custom rom or kernel.
So if you desperately need root then I believe a lot of people are simply rooting stock so they can use ad blocking or feel they have total control over their device. (until they brick it but that's another discussion) I've really never seen so many experienced rooters and users here running stock. I wouldn't even unlock the bootloader (well I can't with Verizon) even though I wouldn't mind having the ability to do so for the future. So why would the devs spend time making a custom rom when there are limited users willing to use it?
Someone should make a poll of how many people who are experienced in rooting, unlocking, crack flashing (haven't heard that term in a while) etc. previous devices are now staying stock.
Rooted every device previously: But now..
1. Running Pixel / XL stock bl locked
2. Running Pixel / XL stock bl unlocked
3. Stock rooted
4. Custom rom
Might be interesting. My poll is number 1. The results might give you a clue as to why development is lighter for this device.
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Too expensive phone less people buy it less donations less development.
HTC the most expensive phones with no reasons 200 euro more with same specs like others.

Shipoftheline said:
They still can't keep up with the demand 6 months later, that should answer the question
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Is it really large demand or just really short supply. Google has done this with every phone since the Nexus 4. They have never had enough supply.

Soon will be almost 1 year and no even stable recovery what else to talk about this phone will be soon dead from development.Poor Google your how to say development phones dying.

veskostoev said:
Soon will be almost 1 year and no even stable recovery what else to talk about this phone will be soon dead from development.Poor Google your how to say development phones dying.
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Good point. Do you think Google cares about devolpment any longer? Or was this a test of how they can now make a great phone that people want who don't care about root? Thus the high cost. I think dev is basically over as you say.
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Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the Pixel XXL, hopefully it won't suffer from the pitfalls of the Pixel XL(from a Dev view).

vinokirk said:
Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the Pixel XXL, hopefully it won't suffer from the pitfalls of the Pixel XL(from a Dev view).
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It should basically be the same device with updated hardware specs and Android O. What pitfalls are you referring to? If it's the distribution channel then yes, that was a problem. But as for dev support that assumes the low inventory was the factor mitigating development. I don't believe it was. The device simply doesn't need root to function superbly. That's why I think most of us rooted our Nexus devices, battery life and performance. (well at least I did) Besides, the price was like $300 not $800. Ok, some of us can't live without Adaway or Titanium but you don't need a custom rom for that.

bobby janow said:
Someone should make a poll of how many people who are experienced in rooting, unlocking, crack flashing (haven't heard that term in a while) etc. previous devices are now staying stock.
Rooted every device previously: But now..
1. Running Pixel / XL stock bl locked
2. Running Pixel / XL stock bl unlocked
3. Stock rooted
4. Custom rom
Might be interesting. My poll is number 1. The results might give you a clue as to why development is lighter for this device.
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That someone should be you, it was your idea I too am curious about the results. Up until Sunday I was a number 2 (rooted, though). I got bored and flashed a custom ROM but it was not necessary at all. You're correct when you say, this device functions damn near perfectly in its stock configuration. First Android phone I've ever used or owned that I can say that about.

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That someone should be you, it was your idea I too am curious about the results. Up until Sunday I was a number 2 (rooted, though). I got bored and flashed a custom ROM but it was not necessary at all. You're correct when you say, this device functions damn near perfectly in its stock configuration. First Android phone I've ever used or owned that I can say that about.
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Lol, I've never done a poll here but I guess it's not too hard. I'll give it a shot in a bit. I'll have to word it correctly as well. Thanks for the push.

When should we expect to see Oreo Roms?

Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?

hostilebynature said:
Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?
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Don't ask for ETAs.
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What's wrong with stock?
Aftermarket ROMs seem to introduce more problems than they fix, for the past 4 phones
I finally learned my lesson with the Nexus 6 and stuck with stock and a custom kernel. Xposed will be along and there is no reason for a ROM.
Substratum, ✓
Root, ✓
Android Pay/Netflix, ✓
Boot Animation change, ✓
Custom Kernel, ✓
Xposed, soon[emoji769]
What are the other reasons you possibly want to taint a great phone?
T.
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Some people enjoy the the mods that come with custom ROMs. Since the Nexus 5 I've been a huge fan of the contents by the team over at Dirty Unicorns puts out. Wouldn't mind trying out a DU Oreo rom if it ever happened.

XDA members usually like to flash...

galaxys said:
XDA members usually like to flash...
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Yep. If I recall from many years ago when creating an account on xda there was a check box you were required to check acknowledging that expected behavior.

Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?

dcillusions77 said:
Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?
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DU, Pure Nexus are working on Oreo if you know of any other roms that support this device check their source you'll see branches for 8.0

I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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localceleb said:
Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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My guess price this phone was super over priced compared to some of the other offerings in Android. Mid range is catching some great devices out there for little money

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm using a moto-x pure now so I hadn't payed any attention to the Pixel/PixelXL development scene at all. I pre ordered a Pixel 2 XL last night which made me go check out development on the Pixel XL out of curiosity. From what I gathered after some research last night it seems the 2016 pixels have a "non standard" way of handling updates. Apparently there are 2 partitions/slots for system/vendor (slot A and B). I'm not going into details what this means, but the short version is that it made things more difficult for custom recoveries to deal with. Even with all the right parts in place flashing a ROM/GAPPS/Root means taking extra steps that every other devices I've ever dealt with didn't need. Nothing major... just extra steps.
Like I said, that's a VERY basic explanation of the situation. Maybe somebody else is willing to go into more detail, but that's the gist of it. It does look to me though that the most popular ROMs have either an official or unofficial build available.
There's also something to be said about the state of "official android" now, which these phones run. At least to me there is significantly less reason to need/want a custom ROM now compared to just 2 years ago. Now that "official android" has themes capability via OMS and a lot of customization options there is not a whole lot I personally want anymore. My biggest thing is "long back press to kill" which can be had with an app if necessary, "advanced restart" menu and of course root.
I think if the only thing I can't have while sticking with the official builds is the "advanced restart" menu then I can deal with it, I can run terminal commands to achieve the same thing. I can imagine the Pixel 2 XL being my first android phone that I finally stick with the "official builds" + root for the life of the phone. I'm sure I'll end up playing with ROMs once they become available but I don't know if it will be much more than playing around... I've always used ROMs mostly to get the "stock android experience" because I like it.. but since this phone comes with it and will get VERY TIMELY android updates I can definitely see myself sticking with what's official and no ROMS. I ALMOST did it with my Moto X Pure.. moto's official builds were damn near AOSP and I used them until it became apparent that I could't rely of them for OS updates post Lenovo buying Motorola.

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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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I can. The problem is with the dual slots. Pixel Dust was able to finally make a Oreo Rom for both Pixel and Pixel XL, however root is not possible yet. My suggestion if you want to be flash happy is to stay away from Google phones because from here on out they will all have dual slots.
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I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.
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There was actually a updated twrp recovery this month and it sticks with Oreo now. Problem is that there is only one custom Rom for Oreo and currently root is not possible. That's with Pixel Dust Rom.

Will Pixel 2 XL present new challenges?

Factory images will be up soon and first round of devices shipping in weeks. Will 2 XL be similar enough to XL that the lessons learned by Root & Recovery developers on the XL will translate to working root and recovery coming straight away or are new challenges expected?

I remember Pixel 2 will come with Android 8, not 8.1. It should be quite similar for development.

So anyone have an opinion? Will we have Root & Recovery straight away or no?

Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.

The entire dev community learned allot with the First Pixel.
I am looking forward to and confident that the Pixel 2XL will be supported.

I'm thinking XDA development will rock for this badboy device...

Well OK! Hoping device turns out to be stellar and developers have fun with it!

If you look at the pixel XL Dev forum vs say the s8+ Dev forum, it doesn't look as active or full of custom roms ect. I would of guessed other way around

Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.

cb474 said:
I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.
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Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?

Az Biker said:
Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?
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They were offered unlocked straight from Google and locked from carriers like Verizon. Early on, an unlocking solution was found for Verizon models but patched with later Nougat update 7.1.2

I'm hoping for good things here but these phones are so good in factory form it will be hard to improve on. Security is also more important as phones have access to everything you have.

stinger4321 said:
Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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They have enough development. If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
All you need is some source built aosp

Wish chrome had adblock. That and adfree YouTube are the only things I root for. Maybe we will get lucky and the 2 XL won't have a dual boot partition.

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Actually the Verizon could be unlocked with Android stock 7.1 using depixel8... But 7.1.1 update took away this ability.. my replacement Verizon xl came with 7.1.1 so i sold it
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Actually the Verizon could be unlocked with Android stock 7.1 using depixel8... But 7.1.1 update took away this ability.. my replacement Verizon xl came with 7.1.1 so i sold it[/QUOTE said:
Edit: nvm this is a different thread
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Lawlrus said:
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If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
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Quit beating around the bush, how do you REALLY feel

Az Biker said:
Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.
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This is great news! Pure Nexus is a great ROM and Beans does a fantastic job with it!

Roms - slow development?

With a semi stable version of twrp and project treble functionality making rom development supposedly simple, curious why is it that we have not a single rom even in it's infancy?
Lack of developers?
Waiting for stable twrp?

Because the minimum price for an XL is 849$. Not to mention all the problems that come along with it.
Development might be very slow. Till the price drops or they have a hardware revision and fix the screen. Not to mention Oreo is still very new.
I didn't buy this phone for development, mines still stock and enjoying it.

I was thinking the same thing, regarding slow ROM development. Kernel development took off immediately and there are a few solid kernel options available. But I'm surprised to see no ROMs available yet.
However, I do think there is some major truth behind the points antiochasylum made. On top of that, root is still in the infancy stage and TWRP is just very recently stable enough to be fully installed. My guess is that ROMs will start being made available in the next couple of weeks.

There is no reason to make a rom for this device. It works well as it is. Most know that by now. No reason to unlock, root, flash, you name it. The reason being there is no benefit. Well we have some font stuff, being able to brick it, and "I want control on my device" things but that is ancient history. Custom roms are basically done.
Stop asking for development if you are not willing to do it yourself.
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bobby janow said:
There is no reason to make a rom for this device. It works well as it is. Most know that by now. No reason to unlock, root, flash, you name it. The reason being there is no benefit. Well we have some font stuff, being able to brick it, and "I want control on my device" things but that is ancient history. Custom roms are basically done.
Stop asking for development if you are not willing to do it yourself.
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Sorry to say you do not speak for a large percentage of current users here. Just looking at the activity of the TWRP, Magisk and kernel threads proves you are mistaken.

Probly need a good stable TWRP before we see roms

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Probly need a good stable TWRP before we see roms
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That and I'm sure some of the devs who will most likely be in our corner don't even have a device yet. Some of them buy a phone based on donations or wait until they see how big the user base is.

Some will come as the stardust settles...

I'd love a rom that gets tethering to work again with VZ. Thinking about returning since I heavily rely on hotspot with my grandfathered plan.
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If you want development now then the Oneplus series is the place to be lol that's where all the development is happening cause it's a cheaper phone

bobby janow said:
There is no reason to make a rom for this device. It works well as it is. Most know that by now. No reason to unlock, root, flash, you name it. The reason being there is no benefit. Well we have some font stuff, being able to brick it, and "I want control on my device" things but that is ancient history. Custom roms are basically done.
Stop asking for development if you are not willing to do it yourself.
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You must have written this on your new iPhoneX. You need to update your signature to iPhoneX instead of the pixel 2.

choder said:
You must have written this on your new iPhoneX. You need to update your signature to iPhoneX instead of the pixel 2.
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Lol. You wish. Been here longer than you've been alive. But you are right in one way. I do have an iPhone. Not used unless I need to FaceTime my kids or have a line open.
I have a signature? Hmm. How about " Android since rooted Eris" ? Ever heard of that phone? Oc to 750. Guess the ROM?
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mackentosh said:
If you want development now then the Oneplus series is the place to be lol that's where all the development is happening cause it's a cheaper phone
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But no Verizon right??

bobby janow said:
Lol. You wish. Been here longer than you've been alive. But you are right in one way.
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With such age and wisdom you should ask to become a Fellow on XDA.

Geezus quit it. Back on topic please.
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choder said:
With such age and wisdom you should ask to become a Fellow on XDA.
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Lol. Who's to say I'm not?
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mroberte said:
Geezus quit it. Back on topic please.
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Come on.. just having some fun.
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bobby janow said:
Lol. You wish. Been here longer than you've been alive. But you are right in one way. I do have an iPhone. Not used unless I need to FaceTime my kids or have a line open.
I have a signature? Hmm. How about " Android since rooted Eris" ? Ever heard of that phone? Oc to 750. Guess the ROM?
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Pfft. OG G1!=P back when you had to destroy a SD card to root.
To the topic at hand. I rooted my pixel 2 XL two days ago. Still trying to figure out why lol. I tweaked the display a tad to make it a little warmer and that's about it. Rooting is about control. ROMs are about customization. And what's left to customize? You going to make the phone faster?
OP5 has lots of development. one yes it's cheaper. But two, it needs it. Trying to improve on the camera. Make it a little snappier. And honestly most of the ROMs over there run worse than stock.
Real ROM development was because most of the time you couldn't get the latest and greatest on your phone. So you get a ROM built off the latest AOSP so you could be running the most recent software. or you were on TouchWiz and wanted vanilla. Those days are dead.
I'm sure in the coming weeks a few ROMs will get cooked together. And the hardcore flashers will install it. Maybe it will be amazing but the simple fact is stock Android is so good the concept of rooting and ROMs is more novelty than necessary at this point

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With such age and wisdom you should ask to become a Fellow on XDA.
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Ok.. xtrRom
zathus said:
Pfft. OG G1!=P back when you had to destroy a SD card to root.
To the topic at hand. I rooted my pixel 2 XL two days ago. Still trying to figure out why lol. I tweaked the display a tad to make it a little warmer and that's about it. Rooting is about control. ROMs are about customization. And what's left to customize? You going to make the phone faster?
OP5 has lots of development. one yes it's cheaper. But two, it needs it. Trying to improve on the camera. Make it a little snappier. And honestly most of the ROMs over there run worse than stock.
Real ROM development was because most of the time you couldn't get the latest and greatest on your phone. So you get a ROM built off the latest AOSP so you could be running the most recent software. or you were on TouchWiz and wanted vanilla. Those days are dead.
I'm sure in the coming weeks a few ROMs will get cooked together. And the hardcore flashers will install it. Maybe it will be amazing but the simple fact is stock Android is so good the concept of rooting and ROMs is more novelty than necessary at this point
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You can. I have og grandfathered Verizon plan and tethering works for me. Had to change the build prop but it works.
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I'd love a rom that gets tethering to work again with VZ. Thinking about returning since I heavily rely on hotspot with my grandfathered plan.
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Unless you had Bugless Beast or ChevyNo1 you were nobody. lol Or the famed Adamz Smoked Glass roms back when Sir Psycho Recovery. Man those were the days. 500mhz overclocked to 1.25
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zathus said:
Pfft. OG G1!=P back when you had to destroy a SD card to root.
To the topic at hand. I rooted my pixel 2 XL two days ago. Still trying to figure out why lol. I tweaked the display a tad to make it a little warmer and that's about it. Rooting is about control. ROMs are about customization. And what's left to customize? You going to make the phone faster?
OP5 has lots of development. one yes it's cheaper. But two, it needs it. Trying to improve on the camera. Make it a little snappier. And honestly most of the ROMs over there run worse than stock.
Real ROM development was because most of the time you couldn't get the latest and greatest on your phone. So you get a ROM built off the latest AOSP so you could be running the most recent software. or you were on TouchWiz and wanted vanilla. Those days are dead.
I'm sure in the coming weeks a few ROMs will get cooked together. And the hardcore flashers will install it. Maybe it will be amazing but the simple fact is stock Android is so good the concept of rooting and ROMs is more novelty than necessary at this point
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bryantjopplin said:
You can. I have og grandfathered Verizon plan and tethering works for me. Had to change the build prop but it works.
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Unless you had Bugless Beast or ChevyNo1 you were nobody. lol Or the famed Adamz Smoked Glass roms back when Sir Psycho Recovery. Man those were the days. 500mhz overclocked to 1.25
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Wow, so overwhelmed with flashbacks almost brought a tear. Bugless beast was legit. Back when rootzwiki was the place to be.
Ok, I'm done hijacking the thread lol

Pixel 2 XL... Yet another "Still worth it?" question

Hey guys! I assume there are many posts about this however I would like to know what you think now in the middle of June, even closer to the release of the Pixel 3. Is the Pixel 2XL still worth it? I'm from the UK and found a deal for £23 a month on a two year contract. I never ever had a Pixel or Nexus device before, always owned HTC devices. To be more precise I owned only htc devices before and I loved them. However they let me down by the lack of support/software updates/security updates in the past couple of years. My previous contract is up and I'm ready to upgrade. I have been waiting for the new htc u12, but read so many bad things about it already though the phone is not even officially released... When the Pixel 2XL was released last year I was actually amazed by the phone and the pure android experience as well as the camera! And I'm still loving the whole phone... So my question is, do you think I should grab that £23/month deal on a 2 year contract, should I wait for the Pixel 3 or that won't be a huge jump (notch is a no go for me!), is the Pixel 2Xl will be a worth to mention phone in the next 2 years? The only thing I'm sure about at the moment that I am sooooo tempted to get it, but also a bit hesitant... What do you think?

I bought mine outright for £629 in April and couldn't be happier. The Pixel 3 XL looks like an incremental release, so I'm happy to wait until the 4 arrives in October next year. The build quality is superb, updates are guaranteed and the phone is, to my mind, the best Android available. I would say go with it, although if you can hold off for a while, the price will drop the nearer we get to the launch of the 3. I hope this helps.

Im a pixel 2 xl user and i really recommend it for you dude you will have an amazing experience. Dont hesitate

? I went ahead and ordered it! ? it's coming on Thursday! Ohhhh the excitement just kicked in! Thank you guys!

Congrats! Enjoy your new device!

You'll never want a non-Google/pure Google phone again. Just the immediate updates alone make this phone sooo much better. I mean, I'm on a very stable Android P, in June, a couple months before its official release, and probably 9+ months at least before any other mainstream phone gets it. Also, this thing is super snappy. It definetely moves faster than my friends iPhones even.
Aaannnddd, if you DO want to get the 3 in October, Google with offer you up to $400-500 (might go up with the 2 xl over the xl) towards your trade in.
I'll seriously never go back.

Thank you everyone! Yes I am extremely excited! Just the fact I never had any other phones before but HTCs and this will be a whole new world for me. It's coming on Thursday so I start reading up all the rooting/flashing guides so when it's here I can start playing with it. ?

You made a good choice - enjoy your new phone!

Then we'll help you root that sucker so you can have some BIG TIME fun! ?????

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Then we'll help you root that sucker so you can have some BIG TIME fun! ?????
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Haha! ? Thanks! Good to know I'll have some help here if I'm stuck! ? ??

Just ordered mine yesterday and should get it tomorrow afternoon. Been on Android since 2008 and this is my first stock pure-Android experience. Been waiting too long for this!

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You'll never want a non-Google/pure Google phone again. Just the immediate updates alone make this phone sooo much better. I mean, I'm on a very stable Android P, in June, a couple months before its official release, and probably 9+ months at least before any other mainstream phone gets it. Also, this thing is super snappy. It definetely moves faster than my friends iPhones even.
Aaannnddd, if you DO want to get the 3 in October, Google with offer you up to $400-500 (might go up with the 2 xl over the xl) towards your trade in.
I'll seriously never go back.
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I agree with this, once I got my Nexus 5, I haven't gone back to non Google phones. If only they were still cheaper like the 5 lol

I just picked one up yesterday. Swapped from an S9+. I love it. The blue shift of the "should have used Samsung" display is there, but it doesn't bother me that much. I don't view my display off angle normally anyways

Pixel 2 XL is pretty much amazing! Cleanest Android experience you can get on the market right now. Growing and decent custom rom support; root support and twrp support. The Pixel 3 probably won't be worth it, the snapdragon 845 isn't that much of an improvement over the 835; unless you really want 4k 60fps video and like 10% performance boost (like nothing in the real world).

Panda color? It's the one

Ericarthurc said:
Pixel 2 XL is pretty much amazing! Cleanest Android experience you can get on the market right now. Growing and decent custom rom support; root support and twrp support. The Pixel 3 probably won't be worth it, the snapdragon 845 isn't that much of an improvement over the 835; unless you really want 4k 60fps video and like 10% performance boost (like nothing in the real world).
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That's true. Stock Android flies on the 835, the SD845 would only help with the 4K 60fps.
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EnIXmA said:
Panda color? It's the one
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I just picked up a Panda. It looks awesome.

GibMcFragger said:
That's true. Stock Android flies on the 835, the SD845 would only help with the 4K 60fps.
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I just picked up a Panda. It looks awesome.
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Good boy

I got the ? as well. It looks amazing! I picked tomorrow for delivery as I'm at work today, but already read through all rooting and flashing guides and it seems pretty easy and straight forward! Can't wait to get it, this waiting will kill me today and tomorrow I'll be in the window waiting on dpd... ?

I've just purchased a Pixel 2 XL as well - just a few days ago.
Since the Galaxy Nexus days I've using 'Google' phones. Decided to try a Note 8 and shortly after, decided it wasn't for me. Switched back to the trusty, clean, reliable and bog free Pixel.

I had the Nexus S from Samsung a long time ago. I loved the phone, especially the size and the curved screen. I just couldn't get past how slow it was. That one should not have bared the Nexus name being so slow. I didn't go back to pure Android after that phone because of it. I wish I wouldn't have judged by that phone alone... I've been missing out all of these years.