I saw a few hands-on reviews on the OnePlus 5T and they kept talking about this new face unlock feature. Is it just me, or is that already in Android? Settings > Security > Smart Lock > Trusted Face? Or is what the 5T has something different, because it looks just the same.
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assuming it's different. the current face unlock just uses the selfie camera. assuming the "new" face unlock is similar to apples with the dot matrix (or whatever the hell they're calling it).
Pixel 1 has it too and it is not that smooth like Fingerprint
Edit:. It requires for pin/password most of times.
i remember Nexus 4 have face unlock so i think OnePlus 5T just added old school for Nexus 4
DinarQ8 said:
i remember Nexus 4 have face unlock so i think OnePlus 5T just added old school for Nexus 4
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It was added back in Android 4.0 ICS
Never stopped using it
It's quick
Just need a bit more practise for the software (scan a few times)
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It is quick but can be bypassed with a simple picture. I turned it off cause fingerprint is most secure.
Biometric security is ok for convenience, but it is not protected by your rights against self-incrimination.
Only KNOWLEDGE based security offers protection against self-incrimination.
What that means, is if you have anything on your phone that you need to actually keep secure, you can't use face OR fingerprint for unlocking.
Also, apple's face unlock has also been broken.
Contrary to claims of it being virtually impossible for another person's face to unlock it, anyone with a similar face can unlock it, i.e., parent <--> child.
Here is a 10 year old kid who can reliably unlock his mother's phone, and occasionally his father's;
https://www.wired.com/story/10-year-old-face-id-unlocks-mothers-iphone-x/
You can also break it with putty and spray paint.
https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-say-broke-face-id-security/
So don't take theirs as being any more secure, even if the technique is a bit different.
Android has had face unlock for awhile. And with every android version from 4.0 its just gotten better and faster. The reason its so fast on the op5t is because they have it auto unlock the device at the lock screen instead of how the pixel and most phones have you still swipe up even after it verifies your face. The iphone uses a IR tech to read the topography of your face instead of just matching it to a photo of your face.
Face unlock on the pixel is just as fast as the 5t and obviously faster the the iphone x. However, it is not nearly as secure. Some roms/mods allow us to just unlock the device as soon as our face is recognized by using features called "unlock when smart lock is verified" and the such.
One of the best features about face id is notification security, as in it only shows you a notification preview until it detects your face then it shows you the full notification.
Would love to see that on a Pixel. Not hugely secure but handy in day to day use.
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One of the best features about face id is notification security, as in it only shows you a notification preview until it detects your face then it shows you the full notification.
Would love to see that on a Pixel. Not hugely secure but handy in day to day use.
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I do like that feature too. Would be cool if it was an option with the fingerprint scanner. It would require an extra step to unlock the screen but keep notifications as previews first.
It is different, on the OP5t, it will automatically unlock and go to home screen, on Pixel 2XL, you have to power button, look, and swipe to unlock. I don't know if one is more secure than the other, but the XL does take longer, having to swipe.
My mate and I just tested it with him taking a picture of me on his Xiaomi MI6 and displayed it on his screen. My pixel 2 XL was tricked into thinking it was me and unlocked 3 out of 5 times !
Master_Of_Disaster said:
My mate and I just tested it with him taking a picture of me on his Xiaomi MI6 and displayed it on his screen. My pixel 2 XL was tricked into thinking it was me and unlocked 3 out of 5 times !
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It's been like this since it was introduced in 2011 with Android 4.0. Not very secure at all. I do remember some variations that tried to make it more secure by requiring a blink.
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assuming it's different. the current face unlock just uses the selfie camera. assuming the "new" face unlock is similar to apples with the dot matrix (or whatever the hell they're calling it).
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Its not different and 5T definitely does not use dot matrix or any kind of advanced technology regarding Face Unlock.
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Just read this:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...sence-detection-security-for-ios-devices.html
Fruit Company applied the patent last August 2010, long before ICS was released.
What would happen if this patent granted?
Note that prior art won't save Google, because the change to first to patent :
http://www.iplawalert.com/2011/09/a...-introduces-firsttofile-to-the-united-states/
F*ck, I hate this patent thing especially done by this Fruit Company!
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No, Google would have to be copying it exactly the way Apple does it. Apple is talking about 3D stuff.
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Chill. Just chill. Its not as serious as you think.
It would be completely ridiculous if the fruit company were awarded that patent since patents are only supposed to be awarded for the non-obvious. This kind of implementation has long been obvious since bio-metric technology has been around for over a decade. This is just one spin / flavor of that.
Patent and copyright law is killing the US... just plain stupid.
face unlock is b.s. anyway. i tried it out and found there were times when it couldn't even register my face & had me enter in the password... that and yeah, it does seem to have difficulty telling if it's actually you in front of the phone or a picture of you.
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face unlock is b.s. anyway. i tried it out and found there were times when it couldn't even register my face & had me enter in the password... that and yeah, it does seem to have difficulty telling if it's actually you in front of the phone or a picture of you.
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Obviously you are doing something wrong since it works perfect every time I've used it to show off.
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lol ^
I love face unlock, but it clearly needs more refinement. I hope Google brings that soon, I'm already pretty anxious for the 4.0.3 update.
"Face Unlock might have been removed in the future?"
What?
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"Face Unlock might have been removed in the future?"
What?
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Has anyone seen John Connor?
Looks fine
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...
The man who created it was the one who ran PittPatt and whom Google bought. The patent was approved in 2008 and filed in 2004.
Face unlock works great for me. Just take different captures in different lighting. Unless its pitch black I haven't had it fail, wearing a hat, hoodie, or glasses.
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Resun said:
Face unlock works great for me. Just take different captures in different lighting. Unless its pitch black I haven't had it fail, wearing a hat, hoodie, or glasses.
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same as that..
I setup face unlock from my waistline so I don't have to unlock my phone like a dingbat every time.
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Face Unlock is a pretty old thing. There was computer software doing this already many years befor we had Android or iOS Devices. It's just another weird patent of Apple.
Even the way in the Apple patent to take the ratio of eyes, nose and mouth doesn't look new to me. I mean every crappy Webcam Software is doing this to recognize the parts of the face and do those weird big nose, big eyes, alien head and such effects.
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Has anyone seen John Connor?
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Haha! When I read the thread title I instantly thought of back to the future as well.
I am coming from pixel 4 xl. I really miss how easy it was to just pick up phone and have it instantly unlock when I look at it.
This fingerprint sensor is horrible! works 2 out of 10 times. I also miss squeezing the phone to summons my assisted. quick tap not working with the case I am using.. Everything else I love. Maybe they can update fingerprint software in the future...
I don't have that much of a problem with the fingerprint reader but I do miss Face Unlock. I come from and S21 Ultra and I also miss not having to press Enter after entering my PIN.
why is Face Unlock not enabled on this?....that doesn't make much sense
It was shown in one of the promotional photos...
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I am disappointed by this being unavailable at lunch, I think it may appear later and I hope so too
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I am coming from pixel 4 xl. I really miss how easy it was to just pick up phone and have it instantly unlock when I look at it.
This fingerprint sensor is horrible! works 2 out of 10 times. I also miss squeezing the phone to summons my assisted. quick tap not working with the case I am using.. Everything else I love. Maybe they can update fingerprint software in the future...
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Face Unlock on the Pixel 4 XL was too sensitive in my opinion; every time I walked past or moved my face in the phone's direction it would come on. Tbh it's a bit of a relief not having to constantly turn the screen off... And when commuting with a mask on, I find it much easier as well. But I understand that having the choice would be ideal.
I also miss my Faceunlock/Soli combi. Let's hope that Google might bring it back with the P7 / P8 ...
Best thing would still be Fingerprint (backside!) AND faceunlock plus soli and active edge. Maybe... one day...
At worst Google should provide it as an option! cheers
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At worst Google should provide it as an option! cheers
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Well, they advertise their phone being super secure with some fancy security firms giving them big industrial thumbs up, that doesn't really work with a cheap 2D knockoff-faceunlock being available. Because of that - I believe - they will never add what people here want, at least not with the P6.
Our best hope are developers that might find some old leftover faceunlock data hidden in the files. At least concerning the leaked marketing material, we know Google at least thought of having faceunlock+fingerprint available - or it was just a mockup about Android 12 in general and it only had the Pixel 6 stock photo as background, and later on they decided NOT to use it, exactly because people might misunderstand that "muh, looks like Pixel 6, must have feature you show!!! mighty LAWSUIT incomin'!".
I completely agree. Someone in another post said it best. Google should've stayed with rear FPR and also left face-unlock. That way you don't need this cheap ass FPR that needs you to first push the power button or have lift to wake activated. It's by far the thing I hate the most about this phone. Cheap assholes
Missing them both as well. I had squeeze set to flashlight and used it a lot for quick access to it.
Yeah same here missing active edge after two years, squeezed phone a number of times then looked at the phone doing nothing, at least no vibrate reminds me this phone does not have it. Face unlock has been annoying for mask wearing but still wish it had it as an option.
The face unlock on the Pixel 4XL is actually why I got rid of the phone. It was constantly setting off the radar detector in my car
Missing it but I'm getting used to the fingerprint. I hope they bring back face unlock even if it's not as secure as the one on the pixel 4
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The Pixel 6 Pro might still get Face Unlock with a future update, but the Pixel 6 likely won’tGoogle’s new Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro don’t have Face Unlock, with the in-display fingerprint scanner being the only biometric authentication option on both phones. We have seen multiple rumors and reports that Google originally planned to include Face Unlock on the Pixel 6 series, but decided against it at the last moment. Now a new finding suggests that Google might still bring Face Unlock to the Pixel 6 Pro in a future update.
Folks over at 9to5Google have found some new evidence within the Android 12L Beta update that suggests that Google hasn’t entirely given up on adding Face Unlock support on the Pixel 6 series. The publication has found the following strings in the device Settings app which hint at Pixel phones offering both face and fingerprint as biometric authentication options. Since the Pixel 4 was the only Google phone to offer Face Unlock, we’re speculating that these strings are likely referring to the Pixel 6 series.
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<string name=”biometric_settings_use_face_or_fingerprint_preference_summary”>Using face or fingerprint</string>
<string name=”biometric_settings_use_face_preference_summary”>Using face</string>
<string name=”biometric_settings_use_fingerprint_preference_summary”>Using fingerprint</string>
Meanwhile, references found within the camera app refer to Face Unlock as an experimental feature for the 2021 Pixel phones.
com.google.pixel.experimental2021.faceAuthUseCases
com.google.pixel.experimental2021.faceAuthROIs
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However, there’s a catch. According to 9to5Google, all evidence of Face Unlock support currently suggests that the feature will only be available on the Pixel 6 Pro. When the publication inspected the same code files on the Pixel 6 running the latest Android 12L Beta, they couldn’t find any such reference on the smaller model.
This matches press renders of the Pixel 6 series leaked in October, which only showed the Pixel 6 Pro as having Face Unlock.
It’s not immediately clear why would Google leave out the standard Pixel 6, especially considering that the Pixel 6 Pro doesn’t have any special hardware for Face Unlock.
In any case, all evidence so far points that Google is still working on the Face Unlock feature and it could arrive on the Pixel 6 Pro as part of Android 12L or a Pixel Feature Drop.
The Pixel 6 Pro might still get Face Unlock with a future update, but the Pixel 6 likely won't
According to a new finding, Google might still bring Face Unlock to the Pixel 6 Pro in a future update. Read on.
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Android 12L suggests Pixel 6 Pro may still get Face Unlock support, but not the $599 Pixel 6
While the Pixel 6 series didn’t launch with Face Unlock, it could still arrive in a future update, but exclusively for the Pixel 6 Pro.
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The selfie cameras are different on the P6P versus the P6. 11.1 MP on the P6P, and 8 MP on the P6. I don't know if that's a factor.
"9to5Google can report today that Google’s original plan was to launch the Pixel 6 Pro with face unlock, but the feature was pulled relatively close to launch."
According to sources familiar with the matter, Google intended to announce the Pixel 6 Pro with support for face unlock to complement the under-display fingerprint sensor. The capability was only meant for the larger flagship and not the smaller Pixel 6, which collaborates something we previously speculated based on code.
The hardware difference between the two phones is an 11.1MP front-facing camera with 94 degree “ultrawide” field of view on the 6 Pro compared to 8MP and 84 degrees on the $599 Pixel 6. Otherwise, there’s no dedicated hardware (IR cameras, dot projector, or flood illuminator) as was seen on the Pixel 4 in 2019. There’s nothing like Soli radar to speed up the unlocking process either.
Google is presumably relying solely on what’s captured by that selfie camera to authenticate that it’s you. This has always seemed like the more Google-y approach, which is primarily using software to tackle difficult problems. It was also something that the Android Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus leveraged.
There have hopefully been marked processing and accuracy advancements in the past 11 years, especially with the presence of dedicated hardware like Tensor. For example, Google touts its chip as allowing for faster, more accurate face detection – in photography contexts – due to integrated subsystems, while consuming half the power compared to a Pixel 5.
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The relatively last-minute decision to pull face unlock is reflected in how early and launch-day marketing material referenced the capability. This included a German print ad (though that mistakenly claimed it was for the entry Pixel 6) and one UK-carrier launch page that showed “Face and Fingerprint Unlock” in a live image of Android 12’s Security Hub. That reference — as well as one in a Play Store listing screenshot — was later pulled. Since then, there have been additional straggling references to the capability on actual Pixel 6 Pro devices.
One of the sources told us that Google is still working to add face unlock to the Pixel 6 Pro, and that it’s targeted for the next major quarterly Android update, though plans might still change.
If that is indeed still the plan, it’s quite interesting for Google to update the Pixel 6 Pro with a major new feature so close to the end of its annual product cycle. It will definitely be a welcome addition for current owners and those who continue to have qualms about the fingerprint reader. Meanwhile, this method of face unlock will presumably be a staple on future Pixel devices going forward.
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I bet this phone will be awesome... Next year . Seriously face unlock would be a big plus and looking forward to it
A front-camera only face unlock?
Hope they give a huge disclaimer saying it's the least secure
I don't think there's any thread regarding this, but I still think that the pixel 6 pro is still getting face unlock.
On the latest beta, you can get open the face unlock settings main page using this command in adb shell:
am start -n com.android.settings/com.android.settings.biometrics.face.FaceEnrollIntroduction
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The only issue is the "can't add more faces" text above. which blocks us from setting up any face unlock.
So far there's no way to bypass this, but I think that face unlock is definitely coming in the december feature drop, although it's one year late.
For what it's worth...
Google reportedly says face unlock won't be coming to Pixel 6 Pro
Google Germany reportedly told a publication that face unlock won't be rolling out to older Pixel phones, including the Pixel 6 Pro.
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For what it's worth...
Google reportedly says face unlock won't be coming to Pixel 6 Pro
Google Germany reportedly told a publication that face unlock won't be rolling out to older Pixel phones, including the Pixel 6 Pro.
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I doubt that. they more like denied to answer as they said "we don't know about any such thing currently". Hopefully Google will be generous with its older pixel users.
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I don't think there's any thread regarding this, but I still think that the pixel 6 pro is still getting face unlock.
On the latest beta, you can get open the face unlock settings main page using this command in adb shell:
am start -n com.android.settings/com.android.settings.biometrics.face.FaceEnrollIntroduction
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The only issue is the "can't add more faces" text above. which blocks us from setting up any face unlock.
So far there's no way to bypass this, but I think that face unlock is definitely coming in the december feature drop, although it's one year late.
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On the pixel 4a5g I used face unlock. I think Google doesn't want to do it on Pixel 6 pro only.
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On the pixel 4a5g I used face unlock. I think Google doesn't want to do it on Pixel 6 pro only.
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Can you elaborate more? how did you use it?
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I use the above romcook. Are google developers not as good as that development team? I use the above romcook. Are google developers not as good as that development team?
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I use the above romcook. Are google developers not as good as that development team? I use the above romcook. Are google developers not as good as that development team?
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Pixel experience is a custom rom. This thread is about face unlock in the stock official rom.
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I use the above romcook. Are google developers not as good as that development team? I use the above romcook. Are google developers not as good as that development team?
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Totally different. Comparing apples and oranges. Yes, it's possible and yes it has been added into custom builds, but that doesn't mean it meets a number of other criteria needed to be included in a stable release from Google. I am sure number one is security. Due to the technology of the pixel 6 and 6p, face unlock is far from being a "reliable security measure".
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Totally different. Comparing apples and oranges. Yes, it's possible and yes it has been added into custom builds, but that doesn't mean it meets a number of other criteria needed to be included in a stable release from Google. I am sure number one is security. Due to the technology of the pixel 6 and 6p, face unlock is far from being a "reliable security measure".
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6 pro has a dpaf front camera, which has all the capabilities of the one used on the 7 series.
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but that doesn't mean it meets a number of other criteria needed to be included in a stable release from Google.
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You mean like adding a feature to an old phone doesn't help them sell new ones?