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So I was trying to see the current posts on the forum from my phone last night, but for some reason opera mini wouldn't let me, so I did a search of the forum to try different links when I saw this site, that gives people free user names and passwords to our forum, it says is for people that don't want the hassle of registering with us , can use these and come and go here. I don't know if I'm overeacting about this but I personally wouldn't want someone getting their hands on my username and password, and abusing it and getting me banned from here.
Now I'm hoping that this are usernames and passwords of people that no longer want to come here and are giving them to this site, and that is not that somehow the're stealing our usernames and passwords.
Here's link.http://www.bugmenot.com/view/forum.xda-developers.com
that's incredibly f'd up. the jeep forum that i'm on is there too.
I've heard of it and used it once before for another site. It's shady but it is a spammers paradise. I think the only reason I used it was for the inability to get an email reply because registering was temporarily down.
lmao, at the op.
BugMeNot is a great website.
I use it all the time for forum's where I know I prolly only visit once in my lifetime.
yes, i cant believe you've never heard of bugmenot before. Its user submitted U ... the people that submit usernames are doing alot of people a huge favor.
I've never heard of hackers spreading stolen U on bugmenot
Billyvnilly said:
yes, i cant believe you've never heard of bugmenot before. Its user submitted U ... the people that submit usernames are doing alot of people a huge favor.
I've never heard of hackers spreading stolen U on bugmenot
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You see I have no problem registering to a forum and becoming a member if I'm looking for info or apps/games or to chat. and you say that users that submit are doing people a huge favor, in what way, so people can go into these forums and sites without effort or contribution and just mooch from everybody.
Oh well I guess it's just my opinion.
I guess your just really young and naive.
so, let me slowly explain the benefits of this site.
Say I was searching for a song on google.
I then found the song on a forum, but to download it I have to be a member.
Now, instead of wasting 10 minutes of time registering for a site that I will never again you, I can just go to BugMeNot or use the BMN firefox extention.
Get it?
It does not effect the forum, cause I will never go there after the inital time.
tissle said:
I guess your just really young and naive.
so, let me slowly explain the benefits of this site.
Say I was searching for a song on google.
I then found the song on a forum, but to download it I have to be a member.
Now, instead of wasting 10 minutes of time registering for a site that I will never again you, I can just go to BugMeNot or use the BMN firefox extention.
Get it?
It does not effect the forum, cause I will never go there after the inital time.
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First of all I'm not young and naive, I'm 33yrs old, married with 2 kids, own my house and three cars, How about you?
and second like I said before if a forum or website has something of interest to me , even if is one thing I'll become a member, I've done it before, I have gone to sites and forums and thought maybe I won't come back but I end up browsing thru, just to check things.
Look, I guess the're are some people that might find this beneficial, and that's cool, and my main concern was on how they aquired such u/p , but if they are being shared by the people that made the acc. then I guess we have not much to worry about.
One of the things that I like about forums like xda or NECO is that there are actually people at the other end of the user names. If I post something, the responses to that post are coming from people that I may or may not trust.
Point being, if multiple people are using the same login and only doing so once to post a questoin or comment on something then you end up with user names that post a lot of crap or you can have folks trolling and trying to sell their "insert junk here".
Take the time to register. Even if you never go back to the website who cares. If your time is too valuable to spend 3 - 5 minutes registering a username and password then you're not very likely to be trolling forums.
I used bugmenot on xda a copule of times, then I registered!
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BugMeNot has helped me MULTIPLE times, and it benefits both the forums and the users (to a degree). Say I wanted to use a forum just for one thing, I simply go to bugmenot.com to find a username/password. I won't get unnecessary spam, and prevents unnecessary accounts being made on the forum.
And I don't even know why I typed all that^... lol -_-"
We (mods) know that the site exist for quite some time.
It is a known problem.
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We (mods) know that the site exist for quite some time.
It is a known problem.
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+1 See, mods think it's a problem.
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+1 See, mods think it's a problem.
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Glad i did notice they where banning the user ID's on the site
"had to try some out as was inquisitive"
stylez said:
Glad i did notice they where banning the user ID's on the site
"had to try some out as was inquisitive"
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If anyone finds an acive username, feel free to report it to a moderator.
Thanks in advance,
EquinoXe
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If anyone finds an acive username, feel free to report it to a moderator.
Thanks in advance,
EquinoXe
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We'll do .
u can block the site
http://www.bugmenot.com/faq.php#04.1
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If anyone finds an acive username, feel free to report it to a moderator.
Thanks in advance,
EquinoXe
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Will do. I used to administer a forum on a different topic but this type of stuff was a problem for us too.
The Marketplace section of XDA has been only open for a short time. There are currently 8 potential users in our community who have been ripped off and may not be capable of receiving their payments back and/or punishing the people that scammed them. There also exist a number of buyers that await their devices to be received but the sellers have not contacted them.
There are several benefits of selling on XDA and there are many drawbacks. Please let me remind you that this is a developers (or those interested in the processes, aka users like me) forum. Please take the time to reflect the benefits and the drawbacks and vote.
I know the poll results will lean towards keeping the Marketplace open because those who visit this section on a regular would want to keep using it as a resource. Yet there are many on this site that still do not have any idea that this marketplace exist, simply because they bookmark their device's section.
Please vote after reading the Fraud Thread,Thank You.
If you have new guidelines that will help deter criminals from scamming our members please post. Please note, your suggestions may be criticized.
My vote to third option. I dont believe in throwing the baby with the bath water. Everything faces problem in the beginning, so is this marketplace. Let's make it a better place.
Just because the Marketplace isn't open doesn't mean XDA won't be used for transactions between users. With the Marketplace, the transactions are more public and I bet that being open and public actually cuts down on scams.
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Just because the Marketplace isn't open doesn't mean XDA won't be used for transactions between users. With the Marketplace, the transactions are more public and I bet that being open and public actually cuts down on scams.
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I completely agree with your opinion. What do you think about banning device sale transactions altogether?
Just like XDA bans warez but obviously users can PM each other regarding warez.
I would think that there is a way to keep the market section open, yet make it safer. I don't think it is XDA's responsibility to make sure every transaction is 100% safe, not even eBay can do that. I don't even think it is responsible to go above and beyond "buyer/seller beware". But I know this communitty and to simply leave it at "stock" isn't an option.
It has proven true that it is hard to identify a good scammer. Post counts, length of membership, and so forth have all proven indicators of trustworthiness, but not a guarantee. And while a guarantee surely isn't possible in reality, I know it is always the goal of those in this communitty to get it right and as close to perfect as possible.
I am currently trying to sell a couple phones, and half my worry is that people have enough trust and faith in me to feel comfortable buying from me. The other half is that I find a legit buyer. I can't even image being the actual buyer!
I feel that stricter guidelines and oversight will go a long way, although likely more time consuming as well. Perhaps making it so new listings have to get approved? And setting criteria for approval asking for photographic proof that the item exists? As well, maybe create an XDA paypal account, where the buyer pays XDA, and upon shipping confirmation/ receipt confirmation the funds are then transfered to the seller? This would put a lot of liability on XDA, which might not be plausable.
Ultimately, buyer and seller beware is and always will be the most important rule.
may555 said:
Although opening the market place means that many problems exist,which is seller make slow response to buying,I may strengthen to monitor.Opening the market place may improve the dynamic of the forum.
If you want to savvy more information about mobile phone, please come to [scamlink]
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And you give a link to a Kirf phone site... shakes head... maybe we can also look into strengthening membership requirements/ process?
XDA can't take guarantee for anything that happens in marketplace, that is something ebay doesn't take inspite of such a heavy fee amount they charge. I feel xda is the best way to share things like pocket pc phones in like minded people to get the get value for both buyer & seller. It would be there no matter you have the marketplace or not. Marketplace has provided outlet to all such dealings.
We can ponder over how to make it more secure, but giving marketplace an existential threat is not I am in agreement with.
Marketplace open!!
As I said before,
All transactions between particulars on the WWW have some risk.
If you are not willing to take that risk please do not use marketplace and go and buy to a regular store!
You should be aware that if you want to buy cheap there is always a risk!
Let´s continue with marketplace!!
I noticed that some other sites require you to have a certain post count before posting/viewing the market place. This could cut the scammers out as it would require them to first be active in the community before being able to post.
Keep the market place.. I have used it for purchasing more than 1 phone, and lucky for me, my experiance here has been fantastic... I think people should pay for their transactions using a credit card... even with PayPal.. You can pay with credit card there.. That way if you are scammed and do no receive what you payed for, open up a dispute with both your credit card company as well as paypal.. evne if paypal can not "collect" anything, you credit card can cancel the transaction all together and take the money from paypal... (which will, in turn, make them want to look for the money a little harder, and even possibley bring up legal action againt the fraud monger!) In closing, KEEP THE MARKET PLACE...
I totally agree with 'Teej53214' and have voted for option 1.
I don't see why XDA should shoulder any responsibilty, nor have to police the marketplace,
since with all online dealing it is the buyers responsibility, not XDA's, to take adequate steps to protect himself.
as such, using a credit card is far the best way.
Yes, but at what point? A spammer will get a couple hundred posts in a few minutes, where as a legit member might not in a couple years.
As well, one of the most infamous scams thus far was carried out by a member with over 1000 posts, and 2 years of community involvement.
I noticed that some other sites require you to have a certain post count before posting/viewing the market place. This could cut the scammers out as it would require them to first be active in the community before being able to post.
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there already is a post count limit, i.e 30+ Posts, a seller less than post isent allowed to sell, and his thread is deleted
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there already is a post count limit, i.e 30+ Posts, a seller less than post isent allowed to sell, and his thread is deleted
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Can we not delete it? Someone may suggest a new guideline, which could be useful for both seller/buyer
I may be new here, but i feel i'll be around for a while. I feel the Market Place is a great idea for everyone, but some guildlines should be improved for everyoens experience.
I feel that the suggestions (option 3?) would to invoke a Post Count Requirement, but to add to this a review (to enter into the market place) must be made by an admin to make sure all posts to that post count are not spam to scam.
I also feel that the market place should incorporate some kind of market system. I know there's plugins for vBulletin that would allow such a thing, or better yet, force all users to mediate through another site for sales (eBay?). This way we'll know they're scammers...
ie if someone posts a acution on eBay for the sole purpose to sell an item (Buy it now at discolsed price in forum) and they're new user on eBay then more caution flags are thrown up... (Could use many other auction sites, etc).
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Maybe enforce some kind of physical conversation about products as well, phone call, etc?
Just my $.02
Keep it open.
I agree with what has been said. Use Paypal with a Credit card. Ivé have to open a dispute (not here) via Paypal and in the end I just contacted my credit card holder that refunded the payment.
Force users to have X many posts, visits or time from registering+posts before they can post in the marketplace.
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Keep it open.
I agree with what has been said. Use Paypal with a Credit card. Ivé have to open a dispute (not here) via Paypal and in the end I just contacted my credit card holder that refunded the payment.
Force users to have X many posts, visits or time from registering+posts before they can post in the marketplace.
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As Ather stated, there is a 30 post count limit. I do not see it documented anywhere maybe I skipped over it. Anyhow, I am positive there is a vbulletin plugin or add-on that restricts users under a set limit of posts to be capable of accessing the marketplace section.
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As Ather stated, there is a 30 post count limit. I do not see it documented anywhere maybe I skipped over it. Anyhow, I am positive there is a vbulletin plugin or add-on that restricts users under a set limit of posts to be capable of accessing the marketplace section.
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Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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12aon said:
Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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I would like to repeat my suggestions: I was once really involved at notebookreview and this is how we ran things
1. Require a set form for selling and buying. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=243274
2. Require a picture with proof of ownership. (a photo of the item with a piece of paper containing the username and a dated newspaper)
3. Require feedback sources: Amazon, ebay, heatware.
4. Reference previous sales. (some sort of internal feedback system)
I think this can help make the Marketplace a bit safer to everyone involved.
12aon said:
Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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Both of those could be restrictive to real sellers, and not actually scare off scammers.
The spam guys will get a couple hundred posts really quickly. If you toss in a 1 year time limit type thing, then people that are active, like me, wouldn't even be able to sell because I haven't been a member for over a year.
I think we should ask sellers to post at least 5 pics, with their username and a newspaper pictured in one. As well, they need to send their contact info to the section mod. They also need to put a random word picked by the mod and PM to them on the piece of paper with their username on it. Only then would the post actually be made public.
As well, you can ask that they also have shown themself a member of this community, either through length of time here, post count, etc., but subject to the mods descretion.
Hi all,
A member of XDA and I did a phone part transaction that went really smoothly.
I wanted to give him a positive trader feedback, but it asks for a website URL that is required.
We never went through the marketplace, how do I go about giving him a positive feedback?
Thanks
Heeter
Heeter said:
Hi all,
A member of XDA and I did a phone part transaction that went really smoothly.
I wanted to give him a positive trader feedback, but it asks for a website URL that is required.
We never went through the marketplace, how do I go about giving him a positive feedback?
Thanks
Heeter
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Per the rules in the marketplace, you can only give feedback when your transaction is conducted in the open, in the marketplace.
This restriction is to prevent fraud, and to ensure that users are following the marketplace rules of not dealing via PM... The reason for this is that if someone is selling to you via PM, who's saying they're not selling the same thing to another 20 people by PM?
Good point,
Thanks for explanation,
Heeter
I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.
I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.
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I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.
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It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.
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I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.
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Happy I helped!
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It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.
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Gotcha, thanks for the information. I was secretly hoping it was fully hosted on GoDaddy. That'd be a blow to their wallet!
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GoDaddy has courted controversy earlier in 2011 because its founder and former boss, Bob Parsons, shot and killed an elephant during a hunt in Zimbabwe and posted a video of this online.
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I didn't need any further reason to end my custom with them, but if I'd have known that then I would have done it long ago.
Golf Clap for XDA
Here is the statement from XDA, i hope many others will follow suit...
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
Posted December 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm by Russell Holly
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
As many of you may be aware, we here at XDA-Developers occasionally stand in support of our members. All of you feel that you can submit things on the forums, knowing that the information is appreciated, used, and shared. We have members all over the world, and we know that the rules aren’t always the same when it comes to what you are “legally” allowed to do. I think I can speak for a great many by saying that while our unified voices are strong, there is nothing stronger than action. In keeping with that, we have decided to move XDA-Developers away from GoDaddy entirely.
This won’t surprise many. GoDaddy’s original support of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed by their frankly cowardly flip-flop when that stance showed unpopular was enough for the decision to be clear. If SOPA clears, The very existence of a site like XDA would be at risk. For the record, SOPA would allow:
The US Government to selectively censor the web based on requests made by organizations who disapproved of content
Deny the owners of a site due process of law by blacklisting a DNS based on just a claim of copyright infringement
Force sites like XDA to aggressively monitor and filter all content
Hold site owners accountable for everything users post, with consequences like jail time and heavy fines
If SOPA passes, XDA would be forced to switch to a review system, where the forum moderators would have to inspect and approve every post on every subforum. The result would seriously decrease activity on XDA, and it wouldn’t be very long after that we’d likely be forced to close our doors. Obviously this is a “worst case” scenario, but it doesn’t change the fact that this could be a reality if SOPA passes.
Over the next few days, we will be moving all XDA assets away from GoDaddy. In the mean time, we encourage you to head over to the EFF, where they have created a page for how you can do your part to oppose this legislation that would allow the US to firewall content from their own citizens.
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found this from searching lol
Hello, SONY.
We are Anonymous.
It has come to the attention of the Anonymous activist community that you have chosen to stand by the Stop Online Piracy Act
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Sony-Stop-Supporting-SOPA-Anonymous-Threats-38195.html
I decided not to move my domains from godaddy. Reason being is that im letting those domains expire on them, so they take the cost of maintaining them. They aren't getting any more money from me.
It's not /just/ the elephant for me, it's their SOPA support, too. Thank you, xda.
I noticed today when copying/pasting a link that the link all of a sudden became huge.
Going from: http://jumbofiles.com/uyaktf1oq6f5
to this: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...b-REL.tar.md5 - xda-developers&txt=D700_Odin3
I have seen Viglink before and it is an affiliate link creator that changes all links to affiliate links so XDA (or whatever forum) can make money from clicks. After a quick search, I did not see anything on the site about selling my information nor was there a notice about the affiliate links being used. This is a requirement per the Viglink website that states:
Will my users notice? Should I disclose it?
Most users do not notice on their own although we highly recommend you disclose it. VigLink does not change the user experience one bit. No links are inserted or removed on the page, there are no double-underlines or pop-ups, and mousing over a link looks "clean."
The US Federal Trade Commission requires that you disclose use of affiliate links. More information and tools are available.
Even if you are not subject to FTC jurisdiction, we strongly recommend you disclose. Our customers have found that readers are completely understanding if they are informed and can be upset if they are surprised. Informing your users will give those who desire it the opportunity to permanently opt-out. Although VigLink is unobtrusive, it is easily detectable by savvy users.
To go along with this, I checked the Rules page to see if it was modified to allow this. Still in the rules is this line:
Commercial advertising, advertising referral links, pay per click links and other income generating methods are forbidden. Do not use xda-developers as a means to make money.
Was this just a test to see if it would pay off or were you hoping no one would notice?
If any users want to opt out, please add *.viglink.com to your ad blocker or you can use their opt out page here: http://www.viglink.com/static/support/optout
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I noticed today when copying/pasting a link that the link all of a sudden became huge.
Going from: http://jumbofiles.com/uyaktf1oq6f5
to this: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1359&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1599752&v=1&libid=1334789891440&out=http%3A%2F%2Fjumbofiles.com%2Fuyaktf1oq6f5&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fforumdisplay.php%3Ff%3D716&title=*OFFICIAL*%20SPH-D700-FC19-8Gb-REL.tar.md5%20-%20xda-developers&txt=D700_Odin3
I have seen Viglink before and it is an affiliate link creator that changes all links to affiliate links so XDA (or whatever forum) can make money from clicks. After a quick search, I did not see anything on the site about selling my information nor was there a notice about the affiliate links being used. This is a requirement per the Viglink website that states:
Will my users notice? Should I disclose it?
Most users do not notice on their own although we highly recommend you disclose it. VigLink does not change the user experience one bit. No links are inserted or removed on the page, there are no double-underlines or pop-ups, and mousing over a link looks "clean."
The US Federal Trade Commission requires that you disclose use of affiliate links. More information and tools are available.
Even if you are not subject to FTC jurisdiction, we strongly recommend you disclose. Our customers have found that readers are completely understanding if they are informed and can be upset if they are surprised. Informing your users will give those who desire it the opportunity to permanently opt-out. Although VigLink is unobtrusive, it is easily detectable by savvy users.
To go along with this, I checked the Rules page to see if it was modified to allow this. Still in the rules is this line:
Commercial advertising, advertising referral links, pay per click links and other income generating methods are forbidden. Do not use xda-developers as a means to make money.
Was this just a test to see if it would pay off or were you hoping no one would notice?
If any users want to opt out, please add *.viglink.com to your ad blocker or you can use their opt out page here: http://www.viglink.com/static/support/optout
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Perhaps it's a test to see if people read our Privacy Policy?
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Use of VigLink
Please note that xda-developers.com makes use of a system called VigLink in order to change links to certain online retailers being displayed on the site to include an affiliate marketing tag. This tag permits those online retailers to know that a user clicking those links has been referred by our site so that we may receive a commission on certain sales. VigLink and other online referral software programs are commonly used across the Internet, though if you have a problem with this practice, we urge you to turn off VigLink.
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But in general, there are considerable costs associated with running a site with 4 million members and 30 to 40000 online at any one time. We meet these costs via donations, advertising and a small percentage via VigLink. It should be realised that Forum sites of our size, might seem to generate huge income, but in truth very very small numbers of Members ever click the adverts (typical of forum sites), so we do need to generate additional support funding via the likes of VigLink. As you see, this is no secret, and the privacy policy is linked to on our main portal page.
Thanks. I wasn't sure where the Privacy Policy was and I can understand the costs for running a site like this. This was just the first time I have noticed the Viglink-created links and there was a huge uproar after some forum admins on another site installed it and did not notify its' users. I wanted to make sure that this wasn't also happening here.
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Thanks. I wasn't sure where the Privacy Policy was and I can understand the costs for running a site like this. This was just the first time I have noticed the Viglink-created links and there was a huge uproar after some forum admins on another site installed it and did not notify its' users. I wanted to make sure that this wasn't also happening here.
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That's fair comment and I'm sure we'd all rather not have any advertising at all TBH.
The problem for me is that all these crappy links are blocked with adaway...
Envoyé de ma Nexus 7.2 depuis tapatalk
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The problem for me is that all these crappy links are blocked with adaway...
Envoyé de ma Nexus 7.2 depuis tapatalk
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Yes. The link in the privacy policy to turn off viglink is itself on viglink, so with adaway blocking viglink there's no way to turn off the forum rewriting the links
Ah, I just found something for anyone else reading this. Trying to download Magisk from this forum using my mobile, I was getting problems because of viglinks, but then on my desktop computer the links were direct ones. All you have to do is remove the /amp from the end of a URL on your mobile, and viglink disappears. It's an amp problem.