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I got this phone mostly because the hardware specs were top notch and my old Zenfone 2 (Z00A) had amazing CM support and even an official bootloader unlock. The ZS570KL still has yet to get so much as a root. Going from CM to the bloated, ugly stock ROM hasn't been fun and I can't wait to get something better. I've prodded ASUS for info on a bootloader unlock and they have basically just said that they can't comment on a release date, or if it's even coming at all.
Is there any active development for this phone or is it just dead?
it's active, but what you see here, is all answered questions that we ask already, so there isn't much we can do , until we get from asus. And then alert every develop out there to start making custom roms for this phone.
I think many people like myself are waiting on the bootloader unlock before buying. If they are going to release it, it better be soon. Else they risk newer phones coming out that trump the specs of this phone that ARE developer friendly. This ship had almost sailed to be honest. What are they waiting for?
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This ship had almost sailed to be honest.
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Yeah, I'm almost regretting buying it to be honest. I really expected it to be popular in the dev community especially given ASUS' history and that bootloader unlocks are already available for the non deluxe ZF3 and even the ZS550KL. The LG V20, the other phone I was heavily considering waiting for, came out almost a month after this phone already has some ROMs coming out.
This phone has amazing specs and design but is just let down so much by terrible firmware and a completely dead dev community. It's a shame.
Your absolutely correct. Such a shame that a beast of a phone goes quietly in the night. It would've been such an upgrade from my Nexus 6P.
My wild guess is that Asus will release our unlock around April-June when phones are starting to come out with the next snapdragon chipset and 6gig ram is all over the market. At that time, the qualities that make this special will be gone. I don't understand this logic at all.
I really like this phone but all the ways Asus tried to kill its success boggles my mind. The lack of an official bootloader when all their other models have one is just another nail in the coffin of an otherwise really good phone. I thought Asus had learned their lesson... guess not.
The 3 biggest reasons for failure in the dev community:
1. No Bootloader (yet)
2. Price
3. Availability
Its dumbfounding. Such a beautiful phone with amazing specs and Asus care absolutely zero about marketing this phone outside Asia. I had to buy it online because they decided not sell it in Canada. And even online the availability is limited to Taiwan only with every reseller getting it from there in short supply. I don't even think there is a north american model. Why not have faith in your brand? Asus said they didn't think the deluxe would do well in north america with all the competition so they abandoned it. They also thought the phone would not sell because its too expensive but then realized demand for it exceeded the supply and decided to increase production.
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Its dumbfounding. Such a beautiful phone with amazing specs and Asus care absolutely zero about marketing this phone outside Asia. I had to buy it online because they decided not sell it in Canada. And even online the availability is limited to Taiwan only with every reseller getting it from there in short supply. I don't even think there is a north american model. Why not have faith in your brand? Asus said they didn't think the deluxe would do well in north america with all the competition so they abandoned it. They also thought the phone would not sell because its too expensive but then realized demand for it exceeded the supply and decided to increase production.
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Seems like a surefire recipe for failure to me....
I have the SD821 versian, I had to pay through the teeth to get it then when it gets shown to others thet all want to know where to get it and how much it cost. Word of mouth is a great way to do business but the product MUST be available.
I had the subforum tab open to check up on this later, but I'm updating some software right now and noticed this post title... I still have the phone unopened in the box Amazon shipped it in. I guess this is Asus' loss releasing a phone during the only extended return period of the year. I've read a few negatives on the ZF3 Deluxe like low headphone volume and intermittent Bluetooth, but unlocking is what I want.
Since I have until the end of next month to return it to Amazon I figured I would pick up the OnePlus 3T and give it a try - free 15 day return period. I thought, what the heck - I paid more for the ZF3 so why not get the 128GB 3T? Added it to my cart and on the checkout page it gave an estimated date (was within 9 days). I wanted to see what I said the ETA would be on the 64GB model that was listed as shipping within 3 weeks and removed the 128GB model. Went to add the 128GB model back in less than a minute after checking the 64GB model...sold out and it's been like for the last 2 weeks. Talk about frustrating! I ended up ordering the 64GB model and figure I can just send it back to OnePlus when the 128GB's are back in but I'm afraid they still won't be available to order at the end of January. So here is this ZF3 D I don't think I really want. :/
jsheradin, you said the bootloader is unlocked for the other ZF3 models - any idea why not this version of the Deluxe?
If it made any sense, there would be no doubt Asus wanted the ZF3 to fail.
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jsheradin, you said the bootloader is unlocked for the other ZF3 models - any idea why not this version of the Deluxe?
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Yep, the unlock is available for everything but the 820 and 821 variants. I assume it's simply that these processors require a little more work to make an unlock utility for, but I'm just guessing at that point.
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Yep, the unlock is available for everything but the 820 and 821 variants. I assume it's simply that these processors require a little more work to make an unlock utility for, but I'm just guessing at that point.
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Actually, the Deluxe 5.5" (ZS550kl) screen has an SD820 and it has the bootloader unlock app. It's just the 5.7" ones that don't.
If I had the SD820 in the 5.7" variant I might try to unlock but I have the SD821...
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Actually, the Deluxe 5.5" (ZS550kl) screen has an SD820 and it has the bootloader unlock app. It's just the 5.7" ones that don't.
If I had the SD820 in the 5.7" variant I might try to unlock but I have the SD821...
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On Asus site it is said that the zs550kl as a Qualcomm s625 so be careful with what you write...
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Yep, the unlock is available for everything but the 820 and 821 variants. I assume it's simply that these processors require a little more work to make an unlock utility for, but I'm just guessing at that point.
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I love the phone only had it a week but so far i have had only 1 issue with the BT disconnecting from my gear S3. only reason i want to unlock is so i can use titanium backup, if there is a good back up without root please let me know.
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Actually, the Deluxe 5.5" (ZS550kl) screen has an SD820
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It does not. The ZS550KL has a single version and it is a snapdragon 625. It has the same processor as the non deluxe ZF3 (Z3520KL) which came out before the deluxes. They probably already made the unlock for the non deluxe and it required very little work to make it work for the 5.5 deluxe. The 820/821 versions did not have that luck and they likely have to make the unlock from scratch.
Hey, I agree with all on this thread. I have the Zen 2 deluxe SE with Cyangenmod and its a great phone. Purchased the Zen 3 but have yet to use it because I cannot root. I also read that Cyangenmod is no longer offering custom ROM or am I not understanding their changes? Does this mean the chances of a custom rom for Zen 3 is out? I also upgraded my wife's phone (S5) to the same Zen 3 deluxe (ZS570KL / 256gb hd / 6gb ram / 821 chip) and she hates it... calls keep dropping signal is low and it does not even say LTE. I did a speedtest comparison betwen her Zen 3 and my Zen 2 and it was faster. Hers is also disconnecting from cellular (AT&T) data and does not show 4G anymore along with no push notifications of emails.
Anyone else having these issues?
Joining in on the bandwagon to vent (really)... This was my # 1 phone to get in 2016, despite the lack of Quad HD screen (especially for the price), but Asus botched it BIG TIME! The price on the SD821 model, even more frustrating, the lack of availability, even during the holiday season, and of course, now announcing their new 2017 models, with no unlocked BLs or Root... what an opportunity missed! Would have been such a strong jab against the 3T, but they ruined it!
I bugged Asus again via email and received this response, again:
"Temporary we haven't got the accurate time the unlock tool would be released for this ZS570KL.
But we will transfer customers' wishes to the related department for further development.
Also please note that ASUS does not actually asssit with unlocking of the Android Bootloader. I must advise that you do so at your own risk, as once the boot loader is unloked it will void your warranty."
I'm just hoping there is an unofficial unlock at this point. The stock ROM seems to somehow get more buggy and slow day by day. Is anyone else having issues with the screen taking forever to turn on after using fingerprint/pressing the side button?
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I bugged Asus again via email and received this response, again:
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Hey do you mind posting your email so I can send a similar one (I'm not sure what to say ) The squeaky wheel gets the oil after all
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Hey do you mind posting your email so I can send a similar one (I'm not sure what to say ) The squeaky wheel gets the oil after all
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I used this form to submit it: https://vip.asus.com/VIP2/Services/QuestionForm/TechQuery?lang=en-us
I just said, "When can the bootloader unlock utility be expected to be released?"
They responded promptly yet disappointingly. Hopefully if enough of people ask they will finally get around to making/releasing it.
Does anybody know if there is unofficial unlock work being done?
If an unlock is ever made we just need to get someone who knows TWRP to build a recovery and ideally somebody from Lineage OS to start ROM support. I've built TWRP before for a different device and may be able to do the same for this phone but I wouldn't know where to begin to get a ROM working. I feel like no devs even know this device exists. :crying:
I just said, "When can the bootloader unlock utility be expected to be released?"
They responded promptly yet disappointingly. Hopefully if enough of people ask they will finally get around to making/releasing it.
Does anybody know if there is unofficial unlock work being done?
If an unlock is ever made we just need to get someone who knows TWRP to build a recovery and ideally somebody from Lineage OS to start ROM support. I've built TWRP before for a different device and may be able to do the same for this phone but I wouldn't know where to begin to get a ROM working. I feel like no devs even know this device exists. :crying:
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The biggest question we should all ask ourselves... "Why did ASUS build this phone in the first place if they didn't have a bootloader unlocker for it?"
What do you think? Recently, they increased waiting time to 720h...
I think this is bad practice and unfair. I can understand the waiting time as a mean of stopping ressellers from shady stuff. But it's unfair for people already waiting to be changing the damned clock all the time. I just want to get my awesome rn5 rid of MIUI. I got 360h waiting time. No problem, I was ready to wait. Now all of a sudden they double the time? Bad practice for them. How can I be sure that if I wait a month, the day I finally try to unlock I get a year? Not fair. I was a Xiaomi fan but now I will think twice before buying another one...
Oh really sure, so what phone should I buy to 250$?
Well, i think Xiaomi is not only trying to prevent resellers from flashing global roms on chinese market products but also would like the users to get used to their ecosistem, maybe after one month of usage you will not want to change rom anymore, maybe you'll decide that MIUI is not that bad as you imagined before. The MI A2/ MI A2 Lite have unlockable bootloaders via fastboot, you could get one of these if you don't want to wait. Personally i tried the Mi A2 for one month, it's not a bad phone, but suffers of several problems such as battery drain and pretty small community around it. I decided to send it back and get a Note 5 Global (Pro) for around the same price (10 euro less), since the waiting process is not a deal breaker for me.
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Well, i think Xiaomi is not only trying to prevent resellers from flashing global roms on chinese market products but also would like the users to get used to their ecosistem, maybe after one month of usage you will not want to change rom anymore, maybe you'll decide that MIUI is not that bad as you imagined before. The MI A2/ MI A2 Lite have unlockable bootloaders via fastboot, you could get one of these if you don't want to wait. Personally i tried the Mi A2 for one month, it's not a bad phone, but suffers of several problems such as battery drain and pretty small community around it. I decided to send it back and get a Note 5 Global (Pro) for around the same price (10 euro less), since the waiting process is not a deal breaker for me.
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If you tell me before I buy a Xiaomi phone - to unlock the bootloader you need to wait 1 month, 2 months ... Whatever" - I can live with that. I will wait the time and unlock, no problem.
What is unacceptable for me is having the waiting timer jump up and down randomly. Unlocking becomes a matter of luck and chance. This is not reasonable.
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Oh really sure, so what phone should I buy to 250$?
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Maybe you could buy Asus Zenfone Max Pro series, Nokia 6.1 serises (no free bootloader unlock yet), Oppo K1, Honor 8C (non-rootable), Moto G5s...
Android 10 was released on September, Xiaomi said that they will update Mix 3 on October, But looking at the situation it's started getting ridiculous, we're now at the end of February which is 5 month over the schedule and we have got nothing. I don't care if Android 10 is not different from 9, I paid for a flagship and I should get a flagship service, not to mention this is also applies for the Android security patch which is pretty old and last updated on October. Also the forgotten 5G variant which still running on MIUI 10. Is this is a joke? really?? if anyone knows who to contact from the company so we can gather and make a demand on extending our device support since we didn't get anything for a long time.
Xiaomi was a good company I don't know what's happening to it.
Xiaomi release about 37 phones every couple of weeks.
They can't support all of them. They've now scrapped the Mix line completely and it seems they've given up on the users.
My next phone probably won't be a Xiaomi device.
China has received Android 10 on the mix 3 a few weeks ago, only a matter of time before we get it, the virus must be the cause of the delay
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Xiaomi release about 37 phones every couple of weeks.
They can't support all of them. They've now scrapped the Mix line completely and it seems they've given up on the users.
My next phone probably won't be a Xiaomi device.
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Yes it seems so, I'm giving them a chance and if nothing comes I'm leaving too.
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China has received Android 10 on the mix 3 a few weeks ago, only a matter of time before we get it, the virus must be the cause of the delay
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No, the virus is just an excuse, this is software development they can work remotely.
There's so many bugs, at least in my experience. Ghost notifications, broken app switcher sometimes, glitchy gallery, disappearing lock screen notifications, the ads in the cleaner app, and so on.
It's so disappointing, all of this on a seemingly orphaned flagship.
Disappearing lock screen notifications is "feature" according to them, kinda make sense but everybody, including me, is used to other way. Ads in Xiaomi app is also a feature, but this one you can change at least, you can do that by going into that apps settings and then find "recommendations" and turn that off..
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Yes it seems so, I'm giving them a chance and if nothing comes I'm leaving too.
No, the virus is just an excuse, this is software development they can work remotely.
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They may not be able to, it is entirely possible that the company does not allow IP (IE, the code) to be taken off site, or worked on remotely, and depending where the employees are, they may not have access to internet that is reliable and speedy enough to be conducive to remote development. Plus if some of the European news sources are to be believed, the true scale of 2019-nCoV may be 10x higher than what China is actually sharing with the world.
Your chances of getting anything by demanding it unless you are going to try to file a suit in China (good luck) are almost zero. I agree this device is not being treated as a flagship by Xiaomi, the Redmi and Pocophone devices that sold much better got much faster updates, which is not cool. It's also been the case for a while now that the global users are second fiddle to China ROM users.
Basically there's nothing any of us can do, except wait, unless you want to try to develop your own rom, which given what I've personally run into is anything but easy for this device. I was barely able to get Android 10 booting, and lots of things were broken.
Pocophones and Redmis has much higher development in India. Even if the devs in China were affected by CoVid, and halts development, for example the Poco or Pocophone's software dev could still be running in full course. Most of the releases are Indian-first, you just need to change region to India and you'll get the update. For the Mix 3, if they're solely based in China, it'll be affected by the outbreak, release will stagger for more months but you'd still get the update nonetheless, albeit not on the time you expect it would be.
Unless not getting an Android 10 upgrade makes your phone unusable, I don't see the reason why people whine on these types of things. I mean, get a Pixel if you want to experience the latest bugs from Android.
^^ I agree, and also people should have in mind that software for Mix line does not come with all the bugs, that come to Redmi and other phones, so yes, they might get update faster, but see how many users of those phones are complaing about bugs and searching for fixes, as far I could see there are not bugs on this phone. But update is released today, at least some users are reporting that, so we will see if hos it goes, maybe I'm wrong..
Update has been released today, based on Android 10.
Doesn't Google mandate that phones should be supported for 2 or 3 years?
No, this is not AndroidOne program
I'm confused... We do have Android 10. Global has had it for a while.
No update for the 5g.
Shame on you Xiaomi.
This is my last Xiaomi.
I've had Android 10 since 2019 on my Mi Mix 3.
Hey guys, I recently purchased a S20 Ultra and am finding it a great phone. However, I've come to realize they've removed the encryption on boot-up feature which I was really looking to use for privacy reasons. I went and asked on the live chat on the Samsung website, and they said it was removed and I would have to "use a third party app or rom" to be able to get back this feature.
I'm now looking into installing a custom ROM and haven't done for many years so I need a bit of help with this, is it just me being stupid, or is there no custom ROM's really released for the S20 Ultra yet? As I've not been able to find one whilst searching.
Also I was curious to if anyone knew a easier way or setting that I could activate that I might have not noticed to be able to activate boot up/start up encryption for the S20?
Thanks in advance
Cazzia
Cazzia said:
Hey guys, I recently purchased a S20 Ultra and am finding it a great phone. However, I've come to realize they've removed the encryption on boot-up feature which I was really looking to use for privacy reasons. I went and asked on the live chat on the Samsung website, and they said it was removed and I would have to "use a third party app or rom" to be able to get back this feature.
I'm now looking into installing a custom ROM and haven't done for many years so I need a bit of help with this, is it just me being stupid, or is there no custom ROM's really released for the S20 Ultra yet? As I've not been able to find one whilst searching.
Also I was curious to if anyone knew a easier way or setting that I could activate that I might have not noticed to be able to activate boot up/start up encryption for the S20?
Thanks in advance
Cazzia
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Hello mate,
No custom ROMs yet I'm afraid. I dont know whether this is a mixture of the crap Exynos variant, price or both. With the OnePlus 8 Pro just launched - i wouldnt hold out for much development for the S20 Ultra.
I believe the S20 line of devices have FBE (File Based Encryption). As such secure boot and the encryption option within settings has been removed.
Their was a guy in here claiming to have created a GSI (Generic System Image) that can be installed on any Google Project Treble device - S20 Ultra included. But His method of getting it installed made no sense whatsoever and he couldn't provide proof that it works and/or boots.
Sorry to "piss on your bonfire" (so to speak) but with the price being too high and the Exynos 990 being so bad - i cant see much development happening for this device. I may be wrong though....time will tell.
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Speedy!!
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Hello mate,
No custom ROMs yet I'm afraid. I dont know whether this is a mixture of the crap Exynos variant, price or both. With the OnePlus 8 Pro just launched - i wouldnt hold out for much development for the S20 Ultra.
I believe the S20 line of devices have FBE (File Based Encryption). As such secure boot and the encryption option within settings has been removed.
Their was a guy in here claiming to have created a GSI (Generic System Image) that can be installed on any Google Project Treble device - S20 Ultra included. But His method of getting it installed made no sense whatsoever and he couldn't provide proof that it works and/or boots.
Sorry to "piss on your bonfire" (so to speak) but with the price being too high and the Exynos 990 being so bad - i cant see much development happening for this device. I may be wrong though....time will tell.
Best,
Speedy!!
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Hey Speedy, thanks for your prompt reply!
Yeah I received the Exynos version from Three UK signing up for a contract, I haven't noticed a massive speed problem but then again I am coming from a Hawei P20 Pro lol. I was told however I was going to receive a snapdragon version from Three, so would you say it's worth putting up a fight to try get the other version?
And thanks for informing me of the current situation regarding custom roms and FBE, I'll have to take a look into that and see to just what extent that covers/what is protects and what (on startup or just generally at the lock screen). Or possibly see if there's any third party apps that are able to lock/encrypt app/app data untill a passcode is entered when opening the app (which would obvousily disable background usage for security reasons I guess, if such a app even exists.)
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Hey Speedy, thanks for your prompt reply!
Yeah I received the Exynos version from Three UK signing up for a contract, I haven't noticed a massive speed problem but then again I am coming from a Hawei P20 Pro lol. I was told however I was going to receive a snapdragon version from Three, so would you say it's worth putting up a fight to try get the other version?
And thanks for informing me of the current situation regarding custom roms and FBE, I'll have to take a look into that and see to just what extent that covers/what is protects and what (on startup or just generally at the lock screen). Or possibly see if there's any third party apps that are able to lock/encrypt app/app data untill a passcode is entered when opening the app (which would obvousily disable background usage for security reasons I guess, if such a app even exists.)
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A snapdragon variant from Three UK? Is that even possible? Because the snapdragon variant is only sold the USA due a business deal between Qualcomm and Samsung in the early 90s - theirs a massive amount of hoohaa regarding this but long story short - Qualcomm said to Samsung "Yeah, you can use our products in your devices. As long as your sales dont directly compete with ours in our biggest markets" (Europe, Asia etc).
Mate, dont get me wrong - the S20 Ultra is a fantastic phone with solid specs. You'll be well off until your upgrade is due.
FBE is in place from the time your screen is off until you enter your pin/password/biometrics etc. Of course, that leaves the question of - Is FBE in place if no device security is in place? And to that i say I'm not sure my friend.
Is their any particular reason why you need encryption?
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A snapdragon variant from Three UK? Is that even possible? Because the snapdragon variant is only sold the USA due a business deal between Qualcomm and Samsung in the early 90s - theirs a massive amount of hoohaa regarding this but long story short - Qualcomm said to Samsung "Yeah, you can use our products in your devices. As long as your sales dont directly compete with ours in our biggest markets" (Europe, Asia etc).
Mate, dont get me wrong - the S20 Ultra is a fantastic phone with solid specs. You'll be well off until your upgrade is due.
FBE is in place from the time your screen is off until you enter your pin/password/biometrics etc. Of course, that leaves the question of - Is FBE in place if no device security is in place? And to that i say I'm not sure my friend.
Is their any particular reason why you need encryption?
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"A snapdragon variant from Three UK? Is that even possible?" Ahhh, this was something I was competently unaware of and just put my faith in they're live chat when they told me I was getting that variant, but I guess I got duped :cyclops:
I guess in terms on encryption, it's just the paranoid view of if I ever lost my phone the possibility of easily getting into my device to view private information and the new/easy software coming out these days to easily extract information from android phones etc. I know with the Pixel you can do boot up security and the older samsungs, just didn't know you couldn't on this one and didn't assume they'd remove such a feature as this is actually my first samsung
They have just told me I'm entitled to a 30 day no questions asked return, so I'm just considering this up to the other devices on they're site as I want to stay with Three because of they're awesome 5G network compared to a lot of others. I guess what I'm just thinking is should I keep a £78 a month phone contract for two years, when I was sold it as to come with a snapdragon processor (which is my own dumb ass fault for not checking I guess haha) The only other one I can see I would maybe swap to is a "Galaxy S10 Plus with Galaxy Watch" which they're doing for £56 a month, making it over £400 saving over 2 years, but there are a lot less features I guess on the S10 Plus than the S20 ultra, would be a bit of a downgrade I guess.
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"A snapdragon variant from Three UK? Is that even possible?" Ahhh, this was something I was competently unaware of and just put my faith in they're live chat when they told me I was getting that variant, but I guess I got duped :cyclops:
I guess in terms on encryption, it's just the paranoid view of if I ever lost my phone the possibility of easily getting into my device to view private information and the new/easy software coming out these days to easily extract information from android phones etc. I know with the Pixel you can do boot up security and the older samsungs, just didn't know you couldn't on this one and didn't assume they'd remove such a feature as this is actually my first samsung
They have just told me I'm entitled to a 30 day no questions asked return, so I'm just considering this up to the other devices on they're site as I want to stay with Three because of they're awesome 5G network compared to a lot of others. I guess what I'm just thinking is should I keep a £78 a month phone contract for two years, when I was sold it as to come with a snapdragon processor (which is my own dumb ass fault for not checking I guess haha) The only other one I can see I would maybe swap to is a "Galaxy S10 Plus with Galaxy Watch" which they're doing for £56 a month, making it over £400 saving over 2 years, but there are a lot less features I guess on the S10 Plus than the S20 ultra, would be a bit of a downgrade I guess.
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I'm pretty sure a Snapdragon variant from a major UK retailer like Three, Vodafone etc is impossible buddy. I'm sorry.
In terms of extra security - their may be an option available to you. Its called Cerberus. It doesnt require root BUT offers more features if you have it.
Root is available for the S20 Ultra. Go here and take a look mate.
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Hi y'all how you guys doing in these times it's sure interesting... I hope all I'd safe and cozy.
My question is is there a way to unlock the huawei nova 3 "PAR-LX1M" bootloader I have searched and it seems like I cannot find a way?... I have even contacted one of the paid services was listed here called ministry of Solutions and they told me that it's not available and it's impossible to unlock because of the new security measures ? so is this true and there is no way to actually do this and root my device.
Thank you and stay safe.
You cannot on a lot of modern devices unfortunately. FunkyHuawei charges a lot to unlock the device, I don't know if they're legit. Either way, there's no TWRP for this device. So there's not a way to root the device as far as I know.
Just buy a Xiaomi, they let you officially unlock the devices and their phone's are just better for the price.