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OnePlus 6?

Anyone here going for the OnePlus 6?

If it supported Verizon...I would no doubt. But, no such luck this time around either.

No! Going to keep my badboy Pixel XL 2!!

Hell no! I've got enough data mining in my life already! ?

Battery 3300 is very bad for a 6.28 inch screen.
Knowing the release of op 6, I bought pixel 2 xl very recently (slightly higher price paid than avengers edition of op6). OP camera software often so bad that we end up waiting and using gcam mods.
Camera, Battery life and display are better in pixel 2 xl.
Oneplus forum is a war zone no courtesy shown by many. Ofcourse we could use xda for it though.

srikanth.k39 said:
Battery 3300 is very bad for a 6.28 inch screen.
Knowing the release of op 6, I bought pixel 2 xl very recently (slightly higher price paid than avengers edition of op6). OP camera software often so bad that we end up waiting and using gcam mods.
Camera, Battery life and display are better in pixel 2 xl.
Oneplus forum is a war zone no courtesy shown by many. Ofcourse we could use xda for it though.
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3300 is fine and will actually yield great battery life because
1. The screen is still 1080p
2. SD 845 will be more efficient
I'm most likely getting one, but definitely keeping my 2 XL. The camera, as well as my current setup (Stock+Root+Flash Kernel+Xposed w/ GravityBox) is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to mention the amazing camera on the 2 XL! I'm sure the 6's camera will be great, but I doubt it will beat the 2 XL.
So all-in-all, I'll have both! If the camera performs at least close to the 2 XL, and when development picks up, then I'd probably consider selling my 2 XL down the road and using the 6 as my daily driver - at least until the Pixel 3 comes out lol

NO!

No. OnePlus is an awful company.

No, im not going back to oneplus .

From my personal experience: anyone coming from a OP to a Pixel will not buy another OP.
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
This might be an odd sentence but here's the bottom line:
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.

Question is why would i?
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rickysidhu_ said:
3300 is fine and will actually yield great battery life because
1. The screen is still 1080p
2. SD 845 will be more efficient
I'm most likely getting one, but definitely keeping my 2 XL. The camera, as well as my current setup (Stock+Root+Flash Kernel+Xposed w/ GravityBox) is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to mention the amazing camera on the 2 XL! I'm sure the 6's camera will be great, but I doubt it will beat the 2 XL.
So all-in-all, I'll have both! If the camera performs at least close to the 2 XL, and when development picks up, then I'd probably consider selling my 2 XL down the road and using the 6 as my daily driver - at least until the Pixel 3 comes out lol
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Nice.
I was the owner of OP 5T before as daily driver.
I was very less options left at that time coming from iphone to android. I have more restrictions, I needed phone with work profile (so rooting has to be given up). I badly needed a dual aim for daily driver. S8+ fingerprint placement I hated. So chose OP5T. Camera software was very bad the default one. Tired of exploring multiple gcam modes etc... The famous oil painting effect on pics has not been resolved for months on 5T when I owned.
My current set up is S9+ as daily driver (work phone) just because of dual sim support. Keeping pixel 2 XL as secondary one (most of my personal use occasional work email check) Neither Pixel nor iphone can become my primary until dual sim versions released though with my restrictions.

srikanth.k39 said:
Nice.
I was the owner of OP 5T before as daily driver.
I was very less options left at that time coming from iphone to android. I have more restrictions, I needed phone with work profile (so rooting has to be given up). I badly needed a dual aim for daily driver. S8+ fingerprint placement I hated. So chose OP5T. Camera software was very bad the default one. Tired of exploring multiple gcam modes etc... The famous oil painting effect on pics has not been resolved for months on 5T when I owned.
My current set up is S9+ as daily driver (work phone) just because of dual sim support. Keeping pixel 2 XL as secondary one (most of my personal use occasional work email check) Neither Pixel nor iphone can become my primary until dual sim versions released though with my restrictions.
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Yeah I didn't like my 5T when I had it. Sold it very quickly. My 5 on the other hand was strangely better, even though it came before the 5T.
I also was not happy about the camera issues like you mentioned + the vibration motor felt very cheap.
I like how much custom development is available for those devices, which is a big reason why I'm most likely going to buy it and just switch between my 2 XL and that whenever I feel like it.
I've never had Samsungs though but if it's treating you well, why not continue using it

FrankBullitt said:
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.
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I said this on a portal discussion regarding the release of the 5T, and it bears repeating here. For a company with "Never Settle" as its slogan, OnePlus does an awful lot of "settling", i.e. compromising, on the most important part [the display] of a smartphone. The display was why the OP5T never factored into my buying choices. The OP6 isn't any better, as it's still not quad HD like on flagship devices. So for yet another year OnePlus will simply be a pretender to the throne.
If OnePlus really wants to play with the big boys, they need to stop compromising and go all out. Make a product that will truly knock people's socks off.

rickysidhu_ said:
Yeah I didn't like my 5T when I had it. Sold it very quickly. My 5 on the other hand was strangely better, even though it came before the 5T.
I also was not happy about the camera issues like you mentioned + the vibration motor felt very cheap.
I like how much custom development is available for those devices, which is a big reason why I'm most likely going to buy it and just switch between my 2 XL and that whenever I feel like it.
I've never had Samsungs though but if it's treating you well, why not continue using it
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Due to no dual sim support, I had to live with samsung. S9+ has better camera, beauty and display though battery life is worse compare to pixel 2 xl even with full hd+ we all know it is due to bloatware services/apps.
Heard rumours that Apple is also considering dual sim versions for next iPhone, hope google do consider dual sim versions.
By the way I did try huawei honor v10 and 20 pro. Unfortunately work profile issues and bad support made me avoid them completely.

tekkitan said:
No. OnePlus is an awful company.
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and liars. I got OP5 and returned, because camera was terrible, but they talked about "clearer photos". They lied in performance test.....for me they bad reputation company

FrankBullitt said:
From my personal experience: anyone coming from a OP to a Pixel will not buy another OP.
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
This might be an odd sentence but here's the bottom line:
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I said this on a portal discussion regarding the release of the 5T, and it bears repeating here. For a company with "Never Settle" as its slogan, OnePlus does an awful lot of "settling", i.e. compromising, on the most important part [the display] of a smartphone. The display was why the OP5T never factored into my buying choices. The OP6 isn't any better, as it's still not quad HD like on flagship devices. So for yet another year OnePlus will simply be a pretender to the throne.
If OnePlus really wants to play with the big boys, they need to stop compromising and go all out. Make a product that will truly knock people's socks off.
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Frank: The OnePlus 5T was the fastest phone on the market until the S9+ came out and gave it a run for its money. Then the 6 came out and it is now the fastest/best performing device on the market. And OxygenOS is amazing, clean, and adds useful features (like face unlock that's actually good). Plus OnePlus added in over 200 optimizations to make it even better. Look it up. There are tons of videos to prove it's faster and smoother. Your comment has no grounds.
Strephon: How can you say anything about the display of a phone when defending the Pixel 2 XL? It literally had a huge scandal, and still isn't fixed. The normal resolution gives it an edge in battery life, and overall performance. The 27" monitor I'm typing this on is 1080p and at 2 feet away is no issue. You're telling me a 6 inch phone with that resolution is a problem? Plus the Amoled OnePlus uses is much better quality compared to the Pixel's lackluster LG panel. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the Pixel forum, but come on, lose the blinders, people.

Had 3 devices from OP so far (OPO, OP5 and OP5T) and still use them but not going to get another one anymore. Why? Because Pixel devices is what suits me the best... top hardware with top software.

Bliznade said:
Strephon: How can you say anything about the display of a phone when defending the Pixel 2 XL? It literally had a huge scandal, and still isn't fixed. The normal resolution gives it an edge in battery life, and overall performance. The 27" monitor I'm typing this on is 1080p and at 2 feet away is no issue. You're telling me a 6 inch phone with that resolution is a problem? Plus the Amoled OnePlus uses is much better quality compared to the Pixel's lackluster LG panel. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the Pixel forum, but come on, lose the blinders, people.
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The quoted post above is sponsored by OnePlus, where "Never Settle" is an oxymoron.
You mentioned us P2XL owners having blinders on when nothing could be further from the truth. While we may have unwanted press over non-issues such as blue shifting and color profiles, at least our devices were assembled with the screens pointed in the right direction, unlike the OP5T.
Ignoring the fact that people rarely view their devices at the extreme angles required for the blue shift to be noticeable, the phenomenon is inherent in ALL AMOLED displays. My Galaxy S4 has it. My Nexus 6 has it. My P2XL has it. Of the three the S4, having an early AMOLED screen, has blue shift to a greater degree than either my Nexus 6 or my P2XL.
The only reason blue shift and the color profile were even mentioned is to drive page views. As for the color profile non-issue, I use the original color profile and not the boosted or saturated modes. No problems here, and in fact I enjoy the color accuracy.
OnePlus having a FHD screen is not a problem if you're not used to anything else. But a flagship device has a QHD display, period. What OnePlus has done here is what they have always done: compromise. When they stop, perhaps then we'll take notice.

Bliznade said:
Frank: The OnePlus 5T was the fastest phone on the market until the S9+ came out and gave it a run for its money. Then the 6 came out and it is now the fastest/best performing device on the market. And OxygenOS is amazing, clean, and adds useful features (like face unlock that's actually good). Plus OnePlus added in over 200 optimizations to make it even better. Look it up. There are tons of videos to prove it's faster and smoother. Your comment has no grounds.
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Yes, my comments have no ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...soon_discontinuing_development_i_wont/dyi9wh0
It's not just the camera; everything on the Pixel 2 is way, way more polished than anything that OnePlus (and I on my own) could ever make.
As much as I hate to admit it, my custom ROMs can't touch the stock ROM on the Pixel 2 in terms of polish and performance. Lately I've been doing more scientific performance assessments on Android (for the sake of research with a professor at my university), instead of just using the phone and thinking, "Seems good to me!," and the results I pulled off the Pixel 2 absolutely crush the results I pulled from stock LineageOS 15.1 on the 3T. It is very difficult to get frame drops while playing with the Pixel 2, whereas I instantly recorded frame drops galore on the 3T. This has been a bit of a wakeup call to me in that I need to reevaluate my ideology and follow a more scientific strategy in optimizing Android on a phone (i.e., using the dozens of test suites Google has built for Android). The bugs that bother users the most are the ones that tend to happen a small percentage of the time (like random reboots), and the Pixel 2 has clearly been optimized to the point where most of those rare bugs are nonexistent (e.g., frames are rarely dropped).
When I ran one of Google's UI performance test apps on the Pixel 2 against my LineageOS 14.1 ROM on the 3T, my ROM dropped frames nonstop (according to this tool) while the Pixel 2 dropped zero frames...
Deep down, I'm a kernel developer and that's where I excel. I'd rather stick to what I know (and enjoy) with kernel hacking and leave the pain of polishing userspace to Google's army of engineers.
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You were saying something about oneplus, weren't you?
I owned oneplus phones, I owned Nexus, I own a Pixel2XL. Tell me about daily performance again, please.

[NOW WITH PICS] Any way to make pixel 2 take better photos than a 150$ Chinese phone?

LINK FOR THE PHOTOS COMPARISON: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gbq1kvzn2ea5wih/AAAaYfF7ORpUeygfMMGKYGEra?dl=0
Pixel tend to make pictures more warm, especially those snow shot. This is however not correct, the snow doesn't look that yellowish. The redmi is too cold, so it's not correct either.
Thes eye shot is a selfie, cropped for anonymity.
I received my pixel 2 xl and how can I say, I've never been so disappointed by a new phone ever (from the blue shift to speaker rattling at medium volume and pictures quality)
The worst part is the pictures it take, they look less good than my Redmi note 5 that i paid 150$.
My redmi is using a custom Gcam, the contrast and everything look similar to the pixel but there's much less noise and things look sharper (I'm not even talking about selfie in low light, the difference are staggering)
Anyway my question is, I know there's some custom Gcam on the pixel too. Do we need to be rooted to install them?? Do they make the pictures look better than stock Gcam. How is the noise control? Does everything work on those custom Gcam? I read about Cstark Gcam, but what about the other?
Thank you

von_block said:
I received my pixel 2 xl and how can I say, I've never been so disappointed by a new phone ever (from the blue shift to speaker rattling at medium volume and pictures quality)
The worst part is the pictures it take, they look less good than my Redmi note 5 that i paid 150$.
My redmi is using a custom Gcam, the contrast and everything look similar to the pixel but there's much less noise and things look sharper (I'm not even talking about selfie in low light, the difference are staggering)
Anyway my question is, I know there's some custom Gcam on the pixel too. Do we need to be rooted to install them?? Do they make the pictures look better than stock Gcam. How is the noise control? Does everything work on those custom Gcam? I read about Cstark Gcam, but what about the other?
Thank you
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Your Xiaomi's camera, even if with gcam, is not even comparable to Pixel's.
If it's like you say, your device must be faulty, ask for a refund/replacement.

Qwerty17c said:
Your Xiaomi's camera, even if with gcam, is not even comparable to Pixel's.
If it's like you say, your device must be faulty, ask for a refund/replacement.
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So the front camera and back camera are faulty?
The photos i take are similar to what we can see in pixel 2 sample i found on the web, but that's still noisy and grainy compared to what custom Gcam can make even in a cheap Chinese phone.
I don't think it's faulty, just normal Gcam that was tuned for speed to the detriment of quality. I'm even starting too think they Google intentionally cripple the picture quality of pixel 2 to not compete with future Gen.
Anyway, anyone have experience with custom Gcam on the pixel? I'm in the edge about returning it...

hahahaha wtf?! Redmi Note 5 better than the Pixel 2 at taking pictures??? Really?!
You do realize you're talking about one of the best smartphone cameras in the market, right? Just read any decent review or photo shoot comparison.
Either the entire world is wrong or you are. Hmmm I wonder which one is true.

von_block said:
I received my pixel 2 xl and how can I say, I've never been so disappointed by a new phone ever (from the blue shift to speaker rattling at medium volume and pictures quality)
The worst part is the pictures it take, they look less good than my Redmi note 5 that i paid 150$.
My redmi is using a custom Gcam, the contrast and everything look similar to the pixel but there's much less noise and things look sharper (I'm not even talking about selfie in low light, the difference are staggering)
Anyway my question is, I know there's some custom Gcam on the pixel too. Do we need to be rooted to install them?? Do they make the pictures look better than stock Gcam. How is the noise control? Does everything work on those custom Gcam? I read about Cstark Gcam, but what about the other?
Thank you
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Don't talk if u don't know what you are saying, please

hthiengo said:
hahahaha wtf?! Redmi Note 5 better than the Pixel 2 at taking pictures??? Really?!
You do realize you're talking about one of the best smartphone cameras in the market, right? Just read any decent review or photo shoot comparison.
Either the entire world is wrong or you are. Hmmm I wonder which one is true.
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I'm not talking stock camera, it's incredibly bad you're right, I'm talking customised Gcam.
Yes the pictures are currently better than the pixel. I spent my whole day yesterday comparing it and the only place where pixel is better is at guessing color temperature. However this can be fixed in 5 seconds in snapseed.
Anyway, nobody can answer my question. I will need to reopen the box and try to install custom cam... However i can't unlock the bootloader or root or I won't be able to return the phone.
I should probably try to post it in another section, people here don't seem to know how Gcam work.

Yakusha said:
Don't talk if u don't know what you are saying, please
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Why are you surprised?
Gcam on pixel phone stack only about 10 pictures when doing it's HDR+ where custom one on any phone can stack 32 pictures! The result is less noise, that's how Gcam work and that's why i get less noise on the redmi. The downside of it is it's much slower, it take about 5-10 seconds to process the picture, sometime more in low light, but the result is totally worth it.
I'm quite sure a custom Gcam on the pixel will be better and faster (especially if it can use the dedicated Gcam processor) than what i can get on the Xiaomi. Stacking 32 pictures with the pixel core should not take longer than 2 seconds! I'll investigate.

von_block said:
I'm not talking stock camera, it's incredibly bad you're right, I'm talking customised Gcam.
Yes the pictures are currently better than the pixel. I spent my whole day yesterday comparing it and the only place where pixel is better is at guessing color temperature. However this can be fixed in 5 seconds in snapseed.
Anyway, nobody can answer my question. I will need to reopen the box and try to install custom cam... However i can't unlock the bootloader or root or I won't be able to return the phone.
I should probably try to post it in another section, people here don't seem to know how Gcam work.
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Since you're saying, it must be true. Why don't you go ahead and post some of those pictures so we can compare them as well (with metadata, of course)? I wanna see those horrible photos and compare them with the magnificent ones you're taking with the Redmi Note 5.
There's not one single photo I've taken with my Pixel 2 XL during this entire year that's as bad as you described. Not ONE. So, please, stop trolling around.

von_block said:
Why are you surprised?
Gcam on pixel phone stack only about 10 pictures when doing it's HDR+ where custom one on any phone can stack 32 pictures! The result is less noise, that's how Gcam work and that's why i get less noise on the redmi.
I'm quite sure a custom Gcam on the pixel will be better and faster (especially if it can use the dedicated Gcam processor) than what i can get on the Xiaomi. I'll investigate.
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We are talking about quality, not about number of shots in hdr^^

hthiengo said:
Since you're saying, it must be true. Why don't you go ahead and post some of those pictures so we can compare them as well (with metadata, of course)? I wanna see those horrible photos and compare them with the magnificent ones you're taking with the Redmi Note 5.
There's not one single photo I've taken with my Pixel 2 XL during this entire year that's as bad as you described. Not ONE. So, please, stop trolling around.
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That's not my goal, but when I'm back home I'll show some exemple.
Anyway, I'm losing my time here, I'll post in a place where they know how custom Gcam work on the pixel.

Yakusha said:
We are talking about quality, not about number of shots in hdr^^
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Ok, nevermind, babye

von_block said:
Ok, nevermind, babye
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W8 a second please now I'm interested..
Are you talking about resolution, colours or luminosity?

Yakusha said:
W8 a second please now I'm interested?..
Are you talking about resolution, colours or luminosity?
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They are both the same. Like i said pixel is better at temperature guessing though (even though i think it make things a bit warmer).
The only difference is noise. That's why i want a custom Gcam to stack more picture thus reducing noise. I don't care if it take 5 seconds to process the image. Anyway I'll try at home.
I'll post my experiment later!

Just a suggestion for the OP: if you just ramble on about a Redmi being better than the Pixel 2 XL at taking shots with both cameras, you'll only be laughed at in this forum and anywhere on the internet.
If you want to start a reasonable and hopefully productive discussion, just upload some comparative shots taken by you

Qwerty17c said:
Just a suggestion for the OP: if you just ramble on about a Redmi being better than the Pixel 2 XL at taking shots with both cameras, you'll only be laughed at in this forum and anywhere on the internet.
If you want to start a reasonable and hopefully productive discussion, just upload some comparative shots taken by you
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I've unpacked the return box of my phone and configuring it as we speak.
I got this Pixel for 160$US during a black Friday promo in Canada. If I'm thinking about returning it, is because something is really wrong.

Hooray.
I've downloaded custom Gcam. No need to root!
The result look very promising.
Already much less noise and much sharper compared to stock Gcam! I might keep the phone after all!

As the saying goes, "Pics or it didn't happen"
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

No, hang on.. I believe the OP's claims that his Chinese phone takes better pictures than the 2 XL. I also believe in fairies and goblins..

mwatson said:
No, hang on.. I believe the OP's claims that his Chinese phone takes better pictures than the 2 XL. I also believe in fairies and goblins..
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Whatever, yes stock cam is not the best.
And yes, custom Gcam improve the performance.
Anyway, I decided to keep the pixel finally.
I fixed the rattling sound by pushing the speaker grill and I'm getting used to the blue shift.
I'll try to give sample photos tomorrow of pixel vs Redmi. The difference will surprise many in here! I'm still hesitating about which one is better... People think pixel are great at pictures because of hardware but really, it's all about the software and the AI algorithm.

von_block said:
Whatever, yes stock cam is not the best.
And yes, custom Gcam improve the performance.
Anyway, I decided to keep the pixel finally.
I fixed the rattling sound by pushing the speaker grill and I'm getting used to the blue shift.
I'll try to give sample photos tomorrow of pixel vs Redmi. The difference will surprise many in here! I'm still hesitating about which one is better... People think pixel are great at pictures because of hardware but really, it's all about the software and the AI algorithm.
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I don't think it's another thread/forum you're looking to for answers. I am a semi professional photographer, in the sense that it is my side job and took classes for it. The past 2 years I have tested a good 10+ phone cameras ranging from Mate10pro, 1+, G7/G6, Ipxs, etc. I ended up with the pixel because of it's amazing photo quality. Anyway, all you have to do is post comparison pictures, without them your statement is worthless.
" My Samsung J3 takes better pictures then a Nikon D7500 can somebody explain this. I won't provide pics to prove it just take my word. Ok I'll provide pics, tomorrow. "

Pixel 2 XL or Samsung S8+? Help me decide.

Hello guys hope you are doing well. Guys I need your help. I'm looking for phone, just for my secondary to be honest. But I'm in a difficult situation to decide between pixel 2 xl or s8+. Both are in the same price range in used markets in my country. But pixel has been my dream phone since it was released. My main consideration is the camera and display. Of course, the pixel camera is the winner, but how about the display?
How it compares to Samsung oled? Any major issues with pixel 2 display? I read that it has something called blueish color, is that true?
Is there any other problem that maybe I need to pay attention to?
Thanks...

The display seems to have two issues. The first and best known is blue shift, where turning the display at extreme angles to sight causes the screen color to take on a distinct blue hue. This particular concern, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about it, is I feel overblown; all OLED screens have blue shift to a degree. The second concern is black crush, where dark gray elements of a picture are rendered as black. I personally haven't noticed this particular issue, but I'm sure it's there. I'm also sure I'm not going to worry about it.
If the screen is more important to you than the camera, get the S8 as it has the superior screen. Otherwise get the P2XL.

Everything above said is correct! However i have never looked at my display from an angle so the blue tint issue is not there for me.
Black crush and smearing is the only thing i feel an issue but thats only at very low brightness.
If you ask me go for 2xl as it is fast,fluid, has a great camera and guaranteed Android 11 update. You will love the pixel experience.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The display seems to have two issues. The first and best known is blue shift, where turning the display at extreme angles to sight causes the screen color to take on a distinct blue hue. This particular concern, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about it, is I feel overblown; all OLED screens have blue shift to a degree. The second concern is black crush, where dark gray elements of a picture are rendered as black. I personally haven't noticed this particular issue, but I'm sure it's there. I'm also sure I'm not going to worry about it.
If the screen is more important to you than the camera, get the S8 as it has the superior screen. Otherwise get the P2XL.
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100rabh7791 said:
Everything above said is correct! However i have never looked at my display from an angle so the blue tint issue is not there for me.
Black crush and smearing is the only thing i feel an issue but thats only at very low brightness.
If you ask me go for 2xl as it is fast,fluid, has a great camera and guaranteed Android 11 update. You will love the pixel experience.
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Thanks for the answer. How old your phone is? And how about screen burn in? Is it something I have to worry about because the nature of OLED displays? I personally never have OLED phone so I don't know what to expect for long term usage.

muchlas46 said:
Thanks for the answer. How old your phone is? And how about screen burn in? Is it something I have to worry about because the nature of OLED displays? I personally never have OLED phone so I don't know what to expect for long term usage.
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More than a year old now. No even burn ins.
The new nav gesture are barely visible so there is nothing to worry about.

muchlas46 said:
Thanks for the answer. How old your phone is? And how about screen burn in? Is it something I have to worry about because the nature of OLED displays? I personally never have OLED phone so I don't know what to expect for long term usage.
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I just passed the 2-year mark and no burn in issues. However, I baby my devices, and burn in is a bit setting dependent. Set brightness to 100% and burn in will develop over the space of a year, as it did on my Nexus 6 when my roommate used it. I had to use an AMOLED screen fix utility to lessen the intensity of the burn in, but even today the navigation buttons of the N6 are noticeable as dark spots on a white background.
TL;DR: After two years, no issues, but burn in is something to keep an eye on.

muchlas46 said:
Hello guys hope you are doing well. Guys I need your help. I'm looking for phone, just for my secondary to be honest. But I'm in a difficult situation to decide between pixel 2 xl or s8+. Both are in the same price range in used markets in my country. But pixel has been my dream phone since it was released. My main consideration is the camera and display. Of course, the pixel camera is the winner, but how about the display?
How it compares to Samsung oled? Any major issues with pixel 2 display? I read that it has something called blueish color, is that true?
Is there any other problem that maybe I need to pay attention to?
Thanks...
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Having owned both I can easily say this is the better phone. If consistent performance is a deal breaker for you, this phone will make you much happier. The camera also blows the s8 out of the water. The display on mine is actually really good. It's kind of a lotto unfortunately. The earlier manufactured ones were much worse however so if you can check that at well might be beneficial for you.

I've owned S7 edge for one year and then I jumped to Pixel 2 XL, which I have been using for 2 years. After updating it to Android 10 it feels like I have a new phone in my hands, plenty of new things combined with cstark's camera mod we get Astrophotography mode, which is superb.
Screen has never been a major issue for me, anyway choosing saturated colors on pixel settings is mandatory for me.
With pixel 2 xl, you get a far better camera and dazzling fast smartphone. This is definitely the choice for me.
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If you ask me go for 2xl as it is fast,fluid, has a great camera and guaranteed Android 11 update. You will love the pixel experience.
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This is the only point I'm not sure. AFAIK google guarantees only 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates. Anyway I do hope we get android 11.

quera said:
I've owned S7 edge for one year and then I jumped to Pixel 2 XL, which I have been using for 2 years. After updating it to Android 10 it feels like I have a new phone in my hands, plenty of new things combined with cstark's camera mod we get Astrophotography mode, which is superb.
Screen has never been a major issue for me, anyway choosing saturated colors on pixel settings is mandatory for me.
With pixel 2 xl, you get a far better camera and dazzling fast smartphone. This is definitely the choice for me.
This is the only point I'm not sure. AFAIK google guarantees only 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates. Anyway I do hope we get android 11.
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No we are sure to get Android 11.

Thanks for all the information, it's really helpful. I think now I can finally make a decision.

quera said:
I've owned S7 edge for one year and then I jumped to Pixel 2 XL, which I have been using for 2 years. After updating it to Android 10 it feels like I have a new phone in my hands, plenty of new things combined with cstark's camera mod we get Astrophotography mode, which is superb.
Screen has never been a major issue for me, anyway choosing saturated colors on pixel settings is mandatory for me.
With pixel 2 xl, you get a far better camera and dazzling fast smartphone. This is definitely the choice for me.
This is the only point I'm not sure. AFAIK google guarantees only 2 major OS updates and 3 years of security updates. Anyway I do hope we get android 11.
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Can you please give me the camera mod??

emirul said:
Can you please give me the camera mod??
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I'm using this one https://www.cyanogenmods.org/downloads/cstark27-google-camera-7-2-014-pxv4-1/

emirul said:
Can you please give me the camera mod??
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Sure, you'll always find the lastest version here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-cstark27/
Latest one is this: PXv4.1.1_GoogleCamera_7.2.014.apk (cstark27, 2019-11-30)

stevoknevo said:
I'm using this one https://www.cyanogenmods.org/downloads/cstark27-google-camera-7-2-014-pxv4-1/
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Thank you!
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quera said:
Sure, you'll always find the lastest version here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-cstark27/
Latest one is this: PXv4.1.1_GoogleCamera_7.2.014.apk (cstark27, 2019-11-30)
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Thanks!

muchlas46 said:
Thanks for all the information, it's really helpful. I think now I can finally make a decision.
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Mine is an early October 2017, 1st release 2 XLs and like others have said, I've taken care of it and it has served me extremely well... Well enough in fact that I skipped the 3 XL and the 4 XL and will wait for the 5 XL (or whatever is next in the Pixel lineup).
My battery is still great, speakers still loud and crisp, buttons still snappy, and if I wasn't missing the new development that comes with a new device, I'd probably run the 2 XL until it died.
You. Won't. Be. Disappointed.
Be sure to give us a full report in this thread, of your decision and experience with whichever device you choose!

120Hz QHD Update?

I wanted to ask if anyone has heard of any further updates on when Samsung will finally enable 120Hz on QHD. If we can use this thread to post updates? Do you think they're gonna wait until after the Note 20 phones are announced/released? It would suck to have to wait that long. FHD+ is fine but we know it would be great to have these displays blasting all the way.

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I wanted to ask if anyone has heard of any further updates on when Samsung will finally enable 120Hz on QHD. If we can use this thread to post updates? Do you think they're gonna wait until after the Note 20 phones are announced/released? It would suck to have to wait that long. FHD+ is fine but we know it would be great to have these displays blasting all the way.
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+1...update fix Green tint here today and all OK but i think May update is so Hot... [emoji28]
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It will arrive when 25w charging will be enabled on S10 series phones as promised by Samsung last March.
Its a marketing gimmick.

Forget about it! It's not going to happen. If you want 120Hz on QHD you need a S21.
Every other Smartphone that support 120Hz or even 144Hz get released with that option.
WTF Samsung. You are the Panel maker and supplier to all of those company's and they manage to bring those feature at day one.
I'm telling y'all it's because of the Exynos 990. They can't enable it on SD variants and leave the Exynos users behind that would reveal and confirm that the Exynos is crap, and would result in complaints which Samsung is trying to avoid.

its not gonna happen mate - sorry !!!
that was just rumours spread around to make people buy the phone thinking they can get it later
but as you can see they have issues with [email protected] so no way they're going to release it for QHD

It's probably not going to happen perhaps due to battery concerns. Could possibly be ready Note 20 series.
Nevertheless it's a top phone when I consider overall phone factor.
I've reviewed oneplus 8 Pro oppo find x2 and initially I did notice the difference qhd and 120hz refresh rate however several days later I've come back to my s20 ultra.
One thing I would have advised samsung to screw trying to perfect million camera lens wasting millions on testing tweaking but utilize resources to focus on getting the screen right. Hit it out of the park.
Having said that I'm back to my s20 ultra now for several reasons I'll do a comparison of all three thread maybe.

riz157 said:
It's probably not going to happen perhaps due to battery concerns. Could possibly be ready Note 20 series.
Nevertheless it's a top phone when I consider overall phone factor.
I've reviewed oneplus 8 Pro oppo find x2 and initially I did notice the difference qhd and 120hz refresh rate however several days later I've come back to my s20 ultra.
One thing I would have advised samsung to screw trying to perfect million camera lens wasting millions on testing tweaking but utilize resources to focus on getting the screen right. Hit it out of the park.
Having said that I'm back to my s20 ultra now for several reasons I'll do a comparison of all three thread maybe.
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Please do that comparison! And keep us posted

There is a hardware limitation of 120hz display on s20. You can check anandtech website for the same. It will never get QHD 120. Wish they make it variable and use combination of 48,60,96,120 to improve battery. I am ok with 120hz FHD but I think due to this implementation we are unable to run many games on 120( till now) that runs fine on other devices.

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but as you can see they have issues with [email protected]
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There's issues with 120 on FHD? I haven't seen any on either the S20+ or this Ultra?

applicationz said:
There is a hardware limitation of 120hz display on s20. You can check anandtech website for the same. It will never get QHD 120. Wish they make it variable and use combination of 48,60,96,120 to improve battery. I am ok with 120hz FHD but I think due to this implementation we are unable to run many games on 120( till now) that runs fine on other devices.
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Hardware limitation? I thought the SD865 is rated to support up to 144hz?

roaduardo said:
Hardware limitation? I thought the SD865 is rated to support up to 144hz?
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Not with the processor but the way it it all implemented
It lacks MIPI interface.
You can read more here
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15647/samsung-galaxy-s20-ultra-snapdragon-exynos-battery-life-preview

OK everyone. We established it's not gonna happen. Aaaaaand? Are we just gonna accept this fact? Let it slide? Shouldn't Samsung get **** for this?

chieco said:
OK everyone. We established it's not gonna happen. Aaaaaand? Are we just gonna accept this fact? Let it slide? Shouldn't Samsung get **** for this?
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I think the **** they should really receive first is the fact that the screen is green when 120hz is enabled... LOL
I've disabled 120hz since it's so noticeable, even with the latest updates. For now, I'd rather have 1440p than 120hz.

Nightwind Hawk said:
I think the **** they should really receive first is the fact that the screen is green when 120hz is enabled... LOL
I've disabled 120hz since it's so noticeable, even with the latest updates. For now, I'd rather have 1440p than 120hz.
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Which S20? I don't see it on my Ultra even at low light
From photos I've seen it looks like some have defective panels it was so noticeable

*Detection* said:
Which S20? I don't see it on my Ultra even at low light
From photos I've seen it looks like some have defective panels it was so noticeable
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Think they're referring to the Exynos version. I'm in the US, SD so no green issues with mine. I've spent a few minutes trying to replicate it but couldn't see any issues. @Nightwind Hawk did you mean to say you disabled 120 because it's NOT so noticeable or that it is? If it is noticeable, why disable it?
Not to suggest that I don't believe that one source about this being a true hardware limitation on these phones but I'd prefer a more authoritative corroborating source to confirm this. In any case, it sucks that we don't have QHD with 120 but at the end of the day it doesn't kill the phone for me.
OP8 Pro has QHD @120 but screw using a phone again with that much of a damn curve on its display. I can't stand the curve on OP phones. If OP made the display on that 8 Pro FLAT, whoa...

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Which S20? I don't see it on my Ultra even at low light
From photos I've seen it looks like some have defective panels it was so noticeable
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Think they're referring to the Exynos version. I'm in the US, SD so no green issues with mine. I've spent a few minutes trying to replicate it but couldn't see any issues. @Nightwind Hawk did you mean to say you disabled 120 because it's NOT so noticeable or that it is? If it is noticeable, why disable it?
Not to suggest that I don't believe that one source about this being a true hardware limitation on these phones but I'd prefer a more authoritative corroborating source to confirm this. In any case, it sucks that we don't have QHD with 120 but at the end of the day it doesn't kill the phone for me.
OP8 Pro has QHD @120 but screw using a phone again with that much of a damn curve on its display. I can't stand the curve on OP phones. If OP made the display on that 8 Pro FLAT, whoa...
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I haven't noticed any green tint issues even with 120Hz at the moment I'm running mine in 96Hz so don't really notice any must be luck of the draw.

Guys this thread is about 120Hz @ QHD and not that green tint issue! There is a seperate thread about that issue... please discuss that issue over there.
Although who cares about this thread? Samsung isn't going to read this thread and decide to release a update.

Yeah can't work plainly due to exynos processors being unable to keep up with it.

not happening people
https://www.sammobile.com/news/why-galaxy-s20-will-probably-never-get-120hz-qhd-resolution/

Its interesting the Asus ROG 2 suffered from a red tint @ 120hz... Now the S20 suffers green tint @ 120hz..

General Crying and Complaints* - Updated changelog 1st Post

Why was this phone advertised with a 50MP camera but you only get a 12MP shot. Highly disappointing.
*Update* User @Ghisy added an "n" to Complaints in the title. This letter fixed the misspelling and corrected everyone's problem with my not on purpose...problem.

Remember the its 30w charging but the truth ended up being the official charger is 30w and the phone is only 23w, my how I laughed, not

Member when changing to 60hz PRESERVED battery and not used more?
Google - "See 60hz is actually OLDER tech...and it's not as EFFICIENT as 120hz..."
Us - Ohhhh
Me - whant?

Gytole said:
Why was this phone advertised with a 50MP camera but you only get a 12MP shot. Highly disappointing.
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Every phone does this. It's pixel binning.

LLStarks said:
Every phone does this. It's pixel binning.
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You are right about pixel binning however they don't lock it down by hardware like Google meaning no one is ever going to get a 50MB image from this, as MKHD said they shouldn't have called it a 50MB camera when its locked at 12

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Remember the its 30w charging but the truth ended up being the official charger is 30w and the phone is only 23w, my how I laughed, not
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I get close to 30w wirelessly (27w-28w) charging with pixel Stand 2 for some time before it goes down to 23-21 when the battery level increases

Gytole said:
Why was this phone advertised with a 50MP camera but you only get a 12MP shot. Highly disappointing.
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We still get better shots than any phone on the market.

Zilla0617 said:
I get close to 30w wirelessly (27w-28w) charging with pixel Stand 2 for some time before it goes down to 23-21 when the battery level increases
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So if you sold me something for $100 and only got $70 for it would you be upset about the difference in loss?

Shipoftheline said:
Remember the its 30w charging but the truth ended up being the official charger is 30w and the phone is only 23w, my how I laughed, not
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This. This is what almost drove me to another phone. Yea I know Samsung and apple are also around the same terribly slow charging speed, but when you have numerous other brands charging 60 - 80w and soon a whooping 150w device coming from OnePlus, 23w is absolutely pathetic. They really couldn't have done better?

Gytole said:
Member when changing to 60hz PRESERVED battery and not used more?
Google - "See 60hz is actually OLDER tech...and it's not as EFFICIENT as 120hz..."
Us - Ohhhh
Me - whant?
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It's not at 120hz at all times, it's from 1hz to 120hz depending what's going on, so yes it is new hardware helping battery.

Shipoftheline said:
You are right about pixel binning however they don't lock it down by hardware like Google meaning no one is ever going to get a 50MB image from this, as MKHD said they shouldn't have called it a 50MB camera when its locked at 12
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MKHD is a shill, don't listen to him.
Besides a binned 12MP is ample and looks better than 12MP

scott.hart.bti said:
This. This is what almost drove me to another phone. Yea I know Samsung and apple are also around the same terribly slow charging speed, but when you have numerous other brands charging 60 - 80w and soon a whooping 150w device coming from OnePlus, 23w is absolutely pathetic. They really couldn't have done better?
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For the price point? Probably not. I mean, I got my P6P for 800. The equivalent Samsung phone at the time (with the same storage capacity since they no longer support MicroSD expansion) was 1500!!! Nearly double the price! But, I already had that Samsung device, sold it for around 800 and was then able to get the P6P without having to spend any additional money =D.
So, although this Pixel series has more bugs than any of the previous Pixel series' that I have dealt with, its still got a better software interface and has full customization via the unlockable bootloader - all things that are beneficial to nerds like me =P.

Gytole said:
So if you sold me something for $100 and only got $70 for it would you be upset about the difference in loss?
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I see what you're trying to say, but come on 2-3w difference is not the same as $30 difference. Its funny when people go to extreme to make a point. Fail lol

iRhyiku said:
MKHD is a shill, don't listen to him.
Besides a binned 12MP is ample and looks better than 12MP
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How would you know and he's right we should have had the option for full as advertised 50MB camera, it comes under false advertising

Shipoftheline said:
How would you know and he's right we should have had the option for full as advertised 50MB camera, it comes under false advertising
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Because I know what he's like and what he has done, but that's a seperate topic.
And no it doesn't, it has a 50MP camera.

They promised us a 50MP camera, they did not promise us 50MP pictures.

iRhyiku said:
Because I know what he's like and what he has done, but that's a seperate topic.
And no it doesn't, it has a 50MP camera.
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The S22 is a 108mb camera because you have the option to use it, you don't have the option to use a 50mb in the Pixel 6, it's effectively a 12mb no matter what you say

Shipoftheline said:
The S22 is a 108mb camera because you have the option to use it, you don't have the option to use a 50mb in the Pixel 6, it's effectively a 12mb no matter what you say
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Just one small data point but my kid ditched his 22 and went back to his Pixel because of the camera. Quality of the shot counts more than how many MPs.

iRhyiku said:
Because I know what he's like and what he has done, but that's a separate topic.
And no it doesn't, it has a 50MP camera.
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"Trust me, I just know"
Internet guy.

Shipoftheline said:
The S22 is a 108mb camera because you have the option to use it, you don't have the option to use a 50mb in the Pixel 6, it's effectively a 12mb no matter what you say
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The S22 is a 108MP camera because it has a 108MP sensor
The P6 is a 50MP camera because it has a 50MP sensor
More MP in a photo doesn't make it better, my 108MP shots on my old N20U looked worse