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Overall happy with V30

Coming from the S8+ and I could not be happier. The camera just amazes me. I forced myself this weekend to use the modes. What a great phone.
Thoughts?

Yep, best phone out right now. It'll probably be the best phone of 2017. LG hit a home run with this one.

lyall29 said:
Yep, best phone out right now. It'll probably be the best phone of 2017. LG hit a home run with this one.
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I agree. It's only missing two things in my opinion.
- LED indicator
- Better front camera
I also didn't realize the benefit of having the headphone jack on the bottom until this phone.

Yeah I also prefer the headphone jack to be on the bottom.

Wow I feel like verge doesn't make sense anymore, "screen is bad" is just too much, you might have received a unit with issue but you can't call the v30 franchise bad
www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design
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Wow I feel like verge doesn't make sense anymore, "screen is bad" is just too much, you might have received a unit with issue but you can't call the v30 franchise bad
www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design
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Yeah this makes no sense. I'm not married to this phone and want the best I can have. I honestly love this phone. I've considered sending back to get the XL 2 and that's merely for software updates. Not worth the lack in hardware, imo.

I ignore anything from the Verge. They are just stupid.
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melihcarter said:
Wow I feel like verge doesn't make sense anymore, "screen is bad" is just too much, you might have received a unit with issue but you can't call the v30 franchise bad
www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design
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I thought it was weird as well. I think I read that they were testing a Korean version for whatever reason. I'm guessing it's all that they were able to get a hold of while they tested, but it seems a bit unfair of them to not wait for a US carrier model like every other reputable publication.

bricky23 said:
I ignore anything from the Verge. They are just stupid.
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All it takes to prove this right is a quick read of their opinion regarding the V30 audio/headphone jack. I know of basically a whole forum of people who would kill for a phone that has awesome audio and headphone jack. Problem is that the manufacturers can't seem to build a phone with that and everything else.
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I was a "never again" LG guy ...
So far, so good. Very happy with the V30.
In fact, for the most part, I actually like their skin over the stock Android from my Nexus. Few tweaks would really make it more useful, but no issue.

My last LG was a G5 I returned it after 2 days due to the build issues. How is the V30? Really interested in the camera and audio output

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Wow I feel like verge doesn't make sense anymore, "screen is bad" is just too much, you might have received a unit with issue but you can't call the v30 franchise bad
www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design
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owning the note 8 the screen is bad. no contest, i didnt want to believe but the Samsung screen are ALOT. now compare to other screen thia is a great screen.

liam_davenport said:
My last LG was a G5 I returned it after 2 days due to the build issues. How is the V30? Really interested in the camera and audio output
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Camera is great, but not the best and audio output through the headphone jack is the best. I say the camera is not the best overall, but for me it kind of is because I would rather have the wide angle instead lens of 2x zoom.

Picked up my V30 from T-Mobile last night. My immediate impressions, coming from an S8 and previously a Pixel XL are that this phone is great but does have some immediate flaws.
Some initial thoughts:
- The finger print scanner is blazing fast. On par with my old OnePlus 3 and my Pixel XL. In comparison, the Samsung S8 fingerprint scanner is slow, often unresponsive, and in a horrible position.
- I work from my home office full time and I spend A LOT of time on client calls. I often have headphones plugged into my phone for these calls. I just got off of a conference call and could immediately tell that the audio output through even pretty basic in-ear headphones is significantly better than my S8 was. Voice clarity is much improved and people sound more like they are in the room with you, rather than on a conference call. This is HUGE for me. And I imagine that music quality will see this same improvement through the headphones.
- I was happy to see that there was SIGNIFICANTLY less bloatware to uninstall/disable on this phone than their was on my Samsung S8.
- The overall UI is extremely fluid and fast. The speed of opening quick settings and the notification drop down, navigating through settings, and swapping between apps is on par with my Pixel XL, which is a breath of fresh air coming from the S8. However, there is still some lag to be had within apps, but I'll discuss that below.
- The camera is excellent. I'm not seeing any blurry photos, as others have apparently seen.
The negatives...
- The stock LG dialer and messages apps are hilariously ugly. I was able to get a new theme installed, which cleaned those up a bit but it still doesn't compare to the stock Google dialer/messages apps. Future "Pixel" style themes for the V30 will likely fix this, though.
- I have seen noticeable and consistent scroll lag in some apps like Chrome, Instagram, Facebook, and even in LG's own themes app. I've changed animation scaling to .5x and enabled GPU rendering in developer settings but I haven't seen an improvement. I've only had my phone for about 12 hours at this point so I'm going to give it more time to adapt. However, if this doesn't improve and/or starts effecting more apps over time, it might actually be a deal breaker for me.
- I compared the Pixel 2 XL to the V30, side by side, in my local Verizon store. The front facing speakers on the 2 XL put the single bottom facing speaker on the V30 to complete shame. The downside is that those front facing speakers come with larger bezels, though. Unfortunately, in my short time using the V30, I've already found myself accidentally covering the bottom speaker more than once.
I still have my Pixel 2 XL on order and at the moment, I don't intend to cancel it. If I find that the lag I'm seeing in some apps does not improve over time, I'll probably return the V30 and hold out for my 2 XL. I don't want to give up wireless charging or the headphone jack. But I will if I have to, in order to get a 100% lag free phone. Especially at this $800+ price point.

eduardmc said:
owning the note 8 the screen is bad. no contest, i didnt want to believe but the Samsung screen are ALOT. now compare to other screen thia is a great screen.
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I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying friend [emoji848]
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I'm starting to experience lag and stuttering also. This goes away with a reboot, but I don't really want to be forced to reboot several times a day. I've tried LG's cleaner app and that doesn't help. I've tried enabling the force GPU rendering, and that doesn't help for me either. I'm hoping that future updates help out. This phone is the perfect size and feels so nice in the hand. I really don't want a different phone, so I'm going to wait and see if it gets better.
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@sn0warmy...you can find the stock Google dialer on APK mirror, I posted a link in a thread about the dialer. And you can download the Google Messages app from Google play.

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I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying friend [emoji848]
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He's saying that compared to the Samsung S8/S8+/Note 8 screens, the LG V30 screen doesn't look as good. I do concur with this. I wouldn't go back to the S8 because I much prefer the overall feel and UI of the V30. However, compared to the screen on my S8, the V30's screen looks noticeably washed out. My current long term decision is between the V30 or the Pixel 2 XL, which essentially share the same screen. So this is not much of a consideration for me. However, I could actually see this being a deal breaker for some.
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[/COLOR]@sn0warmy...you can find the stock Google dialer on APK mirror, I posted a link in a thread about the dialer. And you can download the Google Messages app from Google play.
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That's right. Forgot about that. I'll try installing those. I'm just afraid I won't be able to truly replace the stock LG dialer/messages app system wide. But hopefully I'm wrong.

sn0warmy said:
That's right. Forgot about that. I'll try installing those. I'm just afraid I won't be able to truly replace the stock LG dialer/messages app system wide. But hopefully I'm wrong.
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They do replace the stock LG apps. You just have to make sure and set them as your default dialer and message apps

lyall29 said:
I'm starting to experience lag and stuttering also. This goes away with a reboot, but I don't really want to be forced to reboot several times a day. .
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Yeah, it's quite disheartening. I honestly think that if they went with 6GB of RAM, the lag/stuttering would be a non-issue. The lack of 6GB of RAM in these 2017 flagships, including the Pixel 2 XL, really has me scratching my head.
I believe this is the sole reason why the Note 8 (with 6GB RAM) crushes the V30 in Phonebuff's head to head speed tests. For instance, the V30 beats the S8+ (with 4GB RAM) in the same speed test.
If OnePlus can easily do it, LG and Google should be able to, as well.

My G6 has weird, terrible lag sometimes too. A reboot does fix it, but waiting a while sometimes makes it go away too. I know this is a V30 forum, but sad to see this issue persists across these 2 devices. Its not a deal breaker for me, but sure is something that I experience way too often on a 2017 smartphone.
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Yeah, it's quite disheartening. I honestly think that if they went with 6GB of RAM, the lag/stuttering would be a non-issue. The lack of 6GB of RAM in these 2017 flagships, including the Pixel 2 XL, really has me scratching my head.
I believe this is the sole reason why the Note 8 (with 6GB RAM) crushes the V30 in Phonebuff's head to head speed tests. For instance, the V30 beats the S8+ (with 4GB RAM) in the same speed test.
If OnePlus can easily do it, LG and Google should be able to, as well.
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Is it really worth buying a One Plus 5T

I'm with a huge doubt, which one to buy? an OP5T or a GP 2 XL, what I most want is to have a good battery life. But I've been thinking and looking for forums for 3 days but I do not decide. I would be very grateful for your answers and recommendations.

The only reason I was considering a Pixel 2 XL was for the better camera. Aside from that, I don't think the huge price jump from the 5T to the 2 XL is worth it.
Both phones have the same internals and you don't have to worry about potential blue tint shift/screen burn-in issues with the 5T.
Also, if you're big on flashing, the dev community is usually a lot more populated for OnePlus devices!
Overall though, aside from a mediocre camera, I have no complaints about my 5T, I'm loving it and I'd definitely recommend it over the 2 XL

While the OnePlus 5t is a great phone, I sold it because I just think the LG v30 is the best phone out now.

stu5797 said:
While the OnePlus 5t is a great phone, I sold it because I just think the LG v30 is the best phone out now.
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Well, maybe the best phone out for *you*. Everyone has specifics they're looking for. LG V30 is a great phone, and so is OP5T, and my preferences for me, I need a solid development community.:silly:

I was torn between this exact decision as well myself, given how many hardware issues the Pixel 2 XL is suffering from. Was test driving the 5T the past 2 weeks vs. my current Huawei Mate 9, and in the end, I decided to return the 5T and just ordered the Pixel 2 XL. The new discount Google has on the Pixel 2's helped to drive that decision. Pretty much came entirely down to the camera. The 5T for its price is literally perfect IMO from an overall hardware and software experience, except for the darn camera. I spent a lot of days comparing pics between the Mate 9 and 5T, and there are clearly some shots where the 5T had trouble with in the fine edge details, turning things into that infamous oil painting mess. It's funny because I typically don't obsess over the camera so much, except that when I need a camera, I REALLY need it to capture memorable moments, and I want it to reliably produce the best instant snap picture quality possible, without me having to second guess it. That aside, the 5T's software and hardware has been rock solid stable, insanely fast, and the battery life has just been amazing, easily 2 days for me with regular usage.
The Pixel 2 XL is by far the most I've ever spent on a phone, and I skipped last year's Pixel precisely because of its price. I was on a Nexus 6P till this past summer, when its battery issues finally got too bad...now that was one phone I loved dearly. I've never kept a phone longer than 6 months till the 6P, which I bought at launch and kept for a year and a half. So here's to hoping I can live with the Pixel 2 XL's flaws for me to love everything else about it. I really don't want to ever go to a Samsung if I can avoid it, as I hate bloatware phones, not to mention everybody and their dog has a Samsung/Apple nowdays.

I need a development support phone. That means bootloader unlocking to not break safetynet and run custom ROMs/Kernels, not just rooting and breaking stuff like Samsung. V30 LG isn't worth the $800, and V30+ certainly not worth the $900+ IMHO.
For the money, I would expect more from them all. My only gripe with Samsung, no Bootloader unlocking for US phones...so, it checks all the boxes I have and need.
Otherwise, 5T is a really great phone for the money....only complaint is lack of SDCard, but can run USB-OTG and get around that, wireless charging would be nice. Otherwise, bang for the buck, dev support, can't be beat the 5T.

After having the 5T for some 2-3 weeks now, I would say get the Pixel 2 XL ONLY because better camera and Android updates. But ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. Meaning you won't starve yourself or anything if you can get it. If you can truly afford it, you might as well get it.
With that being said, the 5T isn't a bad device at all. OxygenOS is basically stock Android some you coming from a Nexus device, like myself, you'll feel right at home. Especially if you've used LineageOS or some other custom ROM. On the flip side, you'll be stuck on Nougat 7.1.1 for a little bit. As I've mentioned before, coming from a Nexus device, whenever I heard about new Android updates I immediately flashed it, because I could. Because it was available to us like that. With the 5T, I had to switch gears and rely on ROMs to get back to the latest and greatest, or just stay on the current version of OOS. Which isn't bad by any means. I would've been happier if the 5T had shipped with at least 7.1.2 on board, because there's some functionality there that makes the previous version bearable. 7.1.1., not so much. But it is what it is. Substratum themes don't really work too well either.
But that's mostly cosmetic stuff. So, again, if you can actually afford it, get the P2XL. But if you wanna be SMART about your money, get the 5T. Aside from a lacking camera and lack of immediate Android OS updates, there's truly not much you're missing out on with the 5T compared to the P2XL. Outside of Pixel-exclusive features, that is.
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rickysidhu_ said:
The only reason I was considering a Pixel 2 XL was for the better camera. Aside from that, I don't think the huge price jump from the 5T to the 2 XL is worth it.
Both phones have the same internals and you don't have to worry about potential blue tint shift/screen burn-in issues with the 5T.
Also, if you're big on flashing, the dev community is usually a lot more populated for OnePlus devices!
Overall though, aside from a mediocre camera, I have no complaints about my 5T, I'm loving it and I'd definitely recommend it over the 2 XL
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Did you know that the price of Google Pixel 2 XL has fallen by nearly 45% because people are not purchasing it and many who purchased are returning it back within the refund period of 10 days given by Amazon. Need I say more?

ap6709 said:
Did you know that the price of Google Pixel 2 XL has fallen by nearly 45% because people are not purchasing it and many who purchased are returning it back within the refund period of 10 days given by Amazon. Need I say more?
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Here in Canada, after tax, the Pixel 2XL is roughly $1275 (as of this posting). The total I paid for the OnePlus 5T was $730 after the student discount and tax. That's still about a $500+ jump in price, still not worth it for me at least.

I really don't have a lot of options. Coming from a bootlooped 5X (reason why I will never a LG phone) and really wanted that stock feel with lots of custom development. Only choice for me was 5T and Pixel 2, and sadly Pixel 2 doesn't sell where I am.
And I really don't care that much about wireless charging, camera or the 1080P display. Quite an easy choice for me.
I really think it's worth it.

the oneplus 5t camera is its biggest weakness. i really hate the camera and i dont even use the camera that much. coming from a samsung S6, even the S6 takes a fat pile of dookie all over the 5T camera

rickysidhu_ said:
The only reason I was considering a Pixel 2 XL was for the better camera. Aside from that, I don't think the huge price jump from the 5T to the 2 XL is worth it.
Both phones have the same internals and you don't have to worry about potential blue tint shift/screen burn-in issues with the 5T.
Also, if you're big on flashing, the dev community is usually a lot more populated for OnePlus devices!
Overall though, aside from a mediocre camera, I have no complaints about my 5T, I'm loving it and I'd definitely recommend it over the 2 XL
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Well, I think it's an amazing phone for the price and everything it offers, but, how bad is the camera?

Elsydeon said:
I was torn between this exact decision as well myself, given how many hardware issues the Pixel 2 XL is suffering from. Was test driving the 5T the past 2 weeks vs. my current Huawei Mate 9, and in the end, I decided to return the 5T and just ordered the Pixel 2 XL. The new discount Google has on the Pixel 2's helped to drive that decision. Pretty much came entirely down to the camera. The 5T for its price is literally perfect IMO from an overall hardware and software experience, except for the darn camera. I spent a lot of days comparing pics between the Mate 9 and 5T, and there are clearly some shots where the 5T had trouble with in the fine edge details, turning things into that infamous oil painting mess. It's funny because I typically don't obsess over the camera so much, except that when I need a camera, I REALLY need it to capture memorable moments, and I want it to reliably produce the best instant snap picture quality possible, without me having to second guess it. That aside, the 5T's software and hardware has been rock solid stable, insanely fast, and the battery life has just been amazing, easily 2 days for me with regular usage.
The Pixel 2 XL is by far the most I've ever spent on a phone, and I skipped last year's Pixel precisely because of its price. I was on a Nexus 6P till this past summer, when its battery issues finally got too bad...now that was one phone I loved dearly. I've never kept a phone longer than 6 months till the 6P, which I bought at launch and kept for a year and a half. So here's to hoping I can live with the Pixel 2 XL's flaws for me to love everything else about it. I really don't want to ever go to a Samsung if I can avoid it, as I hate bloatware phones, not to mention everybody and their dog has a Samsung/Apple nowdays.
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So brother, in a few words you recommend me for pixel 2 xl? If this the possibility of saving money I do it (and I go for the 5t) but if I really have such a bad experience with the camera OF 5T. Well, I think I would go by PIXEL XL2 . (I come from the s7 and I guess the 5t will have a very bad camera)

MegaBabu said:
Well, I think it's an amazing phone for the price and everything it offers, but, how bad is the camera?
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The camera isn't necessarily bad, but isn't good either. It's just an average camera in my opinion. If you're not super picky on getting super clean shots then I think you'd be more than okay with it

iamterence said:
After having the 5T for some 2-3 weeks now, I would say get the Pixel 2 XL ONLY because better camera and Android updates. But ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. Meaning you won't starve yourself or anything if you can get it. If you can truly afford it, you might as well get it.
With that being said, the 5T isn't a bad device at all. OxygenOS is basically stock Android some you coming from a Nexus device, like myself, you'll feel right at home. Especially if you've used LineageOS or some other custom ROM. On the flip side, you'll be stuck on Nougat 7.1.1 for a little bit. As I've mentioned before, coming from a Nexus device, whenever I heard about new Android updates I immediately flashed it, because I could. Because it was available to us like that. With the 5T, I had to switch gears and rely on ROMs to get back to the latest and greatest, or just stay on the current version of OOS. Which isn't bad by any means. I would've been happier if the 5T had shipped with at least 7.1.2 on board, because there's some functionality there that makes the previous version bearable. 7.1.1., not so much. But it is what it is. Substratum themes don't really work too well either.
But that's mostly cosmetic stuff. So, again, if you can actually afford it, get the P2XL. But if you wanna be SMART about your money, get the 5T. Aside from a lacking camera and lack of immediate Android OS updates, there's truly not much you're missing out on with the 5T compared to the P2XL. Outside of Pixel-exclusive features, that is.
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the read the comments, the camera is much worse than I think. And now I have been planted a great doubt.

The camera is not that bad. You have gcam port too anyways...
Pixel is a scam imo

chinkster said:
the oneplus 5t camera is its biggest weakness. i really hate the camera and i dont even use the camera that much. coming from a samsung S6, even the S6 takes a fat pile of dookie all over the 5T camera
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So the 5t camera is very very bad. I got used to the camera of my s7, but I thought that the 5t could be on par.
Is it really bad camera?

MegaBabu said:
the read the comments, the camera is much worse than I think. And now I have been planted a great doubt.
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The camera isn't bad, it's just not super great. Other cameras are better for sure, but that's what you get for more money.
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fuarkgl3 said:
The camera is not that bad. You have gcam port too anyways...
Pixel is a scam imo
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With what camera could you compare brother? maybe with my s7? best? worst? at par?

I hope my perspective helps your decision. I'm smartphone power user. I don't play games but I am multitasking a lot. Whatever I can do on the move using the phone, without turning my PC or laptop, I'll do it. E.g. 3 browsers installed with around 10+ pages on each, diverse google drive docs running scripts, 350 apps, you name it, it's on my phone. So long I can remember, I was looking for the best phone with the best community (phone customization and fixes), and therefore switching between Google Nexus/OnePlus phones. I wanted the best, regardless of price so I was ready to go with Pixel XL2. Until I saw the screen issue. If you are looking at XL2 from an angle, any angle, like have it on your desk, table, sofa, screen will turn bluish. That alone was enough for me to look for better phone. Another thing to keep in mind is that Pixel XL2 has only 4 GB of ram and that would not be enough for me. I went with OnePlus 5T and I don't regret it a bit. Yes, camera is not as good, no OiS, no optical zoom either, and I'll do with Gmod camera or open camera. Can't have everything, I guess.

Pixel XL 2 Vs Galaxy S9+

Well I will have my S9+ on Monday (will it dethrone my pixel as my daily?) Will take some effort as this device is fantastic :good:
So with that said if anyone might be interested outwith review videos & looking for the user comparison then I'm in a position to compare the two.
My obvious main focus (pardon the pun) is to test the camera's and see how they compare.
But open to suggestions as to what else you might like to see?
No I'm not going to drop test or set it on fire
I have a feeling that it will be in last place rotation with my 5T, iPhone X and my daily Pixel XL 2, but it may surprise me in terms of we know how great the display is and if it can really be as GREAT as the pixel in the camera department.
Let me know though and I'll be happy to test and compare.

I wouldn't personally give up on the pixel device as it is a better performer overall. Plus instant updates are a great.

Oh I'm not getting rid of my pixel hmm until the pixel 3 is released :silly:

Duncan1982 said:
Oh I'm not getting rid of my pixel hmm until the pixel 3 is released :silly:
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Agreed. Lets just hope they let us theme the darn thing!! ?

Badger50 said:
Agreed. Lets just hope they let us theme the darn thing!! ?
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I will never be without a Pixel device now, having stayed away from Stock android since the Nexus 5 (As I was more into skins) at the time, I didn't quite get what all the fuss was about fast forward to the Pixel XL 2 yeah I get it (took me a while) but now I truly get it and love it, just an annoyance that Google are restricting theming with Android P........

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I will never be without a Pixel device now, having stayed away from Stock android since the Nexus 5 (As I was more into skins) at the time, I didn't quite get what all the fuss was about fast forward to the Pixel XL 2 yeah I get it (took me a while) but now I truly get it and love it, just an annoyance that Google are restricting theming with Android P........
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Couldn't agree more. I've been running dark themes since my DINC days! Themeing is one of my favorite things about android. Now I fear G may be taking all that away. I sure hope not though! ?

I was so tempted by the S9+ (switching from the Oneplus 5T) that I even preordered it. But after some research (happy to be corrected here if needed) regarding project treble, I was under the impression that the amazing camera features may not be available in an AOSP rom. The build quality of Samsung phones are very good and I was really pleased to hear of its project treble capabilities. But I ended up selling my 5T and getting the Pixel and couldn't be happier

Yeah they might introduce their own brand of theming (but that will suck,) and still be restrictive, I really don't get why white has and must be the standard colour,
This is more annoying when there is a shift to most OEM's using oled displays.
So why is there a refusal by Google to allow us to theme when we and they know that there are significant advantages for the user to use dark themes, battery life & getting rid of EVERYTHING being white which obviously impacts on that.
This is my only real gripe and its obviously just became recent with Android P, maybe they will think twice about that unwanted move.

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I was so tempted by the S9+ (switching from the Oneplus 5T) that I even preordered it. But after some research (happy to be corrected here if needed) regarding project treble, I was under the impression that the amazing camera features may not be available in an AOSP rom. The build quality of Samsung phones are very good and I was really pleased to hear of its project treble capabilities. But I ended up selling my 5T and getting the Pixel and couldn't be happier
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I was going to cancel my S9+ order but I went ahead hmm more for testing and comparing ok ok & feeding my addiction (there I said it).
You my friend made a very sensible decision as much as the S9+ does pack a punch with Design & Display and offers up some great additions IP68, SD Card Expansion, Fast charging & Wireless, it really covers most area's. But honestly it can't touch the pixel for a device that is just an absolute pleasure to use. I wondered to myself after owning 30+ devices over 4 years, what is it with Stock Android? Like I said I had the Nexus 5.
What it is "Simplicity " not iOS simplicity but that none the less, its smooth like no other, its the little things like notifications replies, to the the whole UI (other than it being white) its the updates, and there is a nice vibe to it, and what about that camera :good:
Yes I am also interested in project treble and seeing if that speeds up updates with Samsung (Not holding my breath) if it doesn't then its my last ever Samsung. No excuses now
Glad like me you love the pixel & at the same time unlike me and saved your money :laugh:

I'd be interested to see how the S9+ holds up after a few months of use, and how good the Front facing camera is. For me, the curved screen is a no go with Galaxies now, I just cannot get used to them.
S8+ and Note 8 shows significant lag and stutter unless you use the built in optimiser but then because it clears the temp and cache files, that means you have to load back in all your photo thumbnails etc when you load the apps.
With the Selfie camera, as much as people may hate it, it is great for groufies when out with friends and Samsung Front facing cameras almost always suck. Compared to the absolutely amazing pixel 2 front facer, I am unsure that the S9 will compete.
I think the quality of the F2.4 lens will be sharper than the Pixel 2, but I bet any kind of movement will blur again in anything less than optimal light, like most galaxies, which doesn't occur on Pixel.
Look forward to your thoughts and I hope you enjoy the S9+.

It will be interesting to compare, but I'll be waiting on the next Pixel XL 3 badboy! Cheers

Oh I WILL be getting the Pixel 3 XL..... And I will compare that to, although I still believe the pixel XL2 will still kick Samsungs ass in the camera department :good:

considering the OnePlus 6?

I am just curious if anyone here is considering the OnePlus 6?

GCbard said:
I am just curious if anyone here is considering the OnePlus 6?
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I'd consider the snot out of it if it weren't for 2 things...1. THE NOTCH!!!!! 2. It doesn't work on my provider! ??

Badger50 said:
I'd consider the snot out of it if it weren't for 2 things...1. THE NOTCH!!!!! 2. It doesn't work on my provider!
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Same. I wonder if they realize how many customers they are losing out on by continuing to not put in certain bands. Or, do they need someone's permission? Either way: notch = no sale, for me.

I don't see the reason for switching to a OP6. I don't even consider it as an upgrade.
OnePlus screens have never been amazing
Snapdragon 845 over 835... do you really need the difference in processing power?
Camera is going to be definitely worse, even the S9 still struggles against the Pixel 2.
Software updates aren't going to be faster, that's for sure
Battery life and RAM might be better though I have never ever had RAM problems with my Pixel 2. RAM is there for being used, free ram is wasted ram.

allweknowisa said:
I don't see the reason for switching to a OP6. I don't even consider it as an upgrade.
OnePlus screens have never been amazing
Snapdragon 845 over 835... do you really need the difference in processing power?
Camera is going to be definitely worse, even the S9 still struggles against the Pixel 2.
Software updates aren't going to be faster, that's for sure
Battery life and RAM might be better though I have never ever had RAM problems with my Pixel 2. RAM is there for being used, free ram is wasted ram.
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Very good points. I would only consider one as something extra to play with, not a daily driver.
On your first point, I certainly wouldn't describe the Pixel 2XL's screen as amazing, either. I'm not referring to blue shift. That doesn't bother me. I'm more about ghost swipes and graininess.

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Very good points. I would only consider one as something extra to play with, not a daily driver.
On your first point, I certainly wouldn't describe the Pixel 2XL's screen as amazing, either. I'm not referring to blue shift. That doesn't bother me. I'm more about ghost swipes and graininess.
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I understand somebody can upgrade their Pixel 2 XL to an S9 or S9+ with the main reason of having a way better screen, but I think OP6 screen will not be worth the switch.

If it worked on VZW, would ditch the Pixel and go back to the OnePlus in a second. It is better in every single way except the camera. But the 6 might close that gap more.

one thing is having used 3, 3T and 5, there is a touch latency where it cannot even beat Nexus 6p. seems liek there is lag while 6p, 2xl there isnt any.
however the 6 do interest me with the screen to size ratio.. notch doesnt bother me

Nada! Our Pixel XL 2 keeps getting better and better with more Development! Salute'

I was an upgrade every year user before but have turned into an every two year person now. So 2019 for me but I'm also still waiting for a Sprint compatible variant which will probably never come. I'll never be switching carriers as Sprint is good everywhere I need it to be and cost is good.
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I was thinking about getting one as a secondary device, just because it seems like OnePlus is replacing/has replaced the now dead Nexus line in terms of development.
It would be nice to have a device to just tinker with and install mods, ROMs, kernels, and so on.
But I'd definitely keep the Pixel 2 XL as my daily driver just because of things like the camera and overall smoothness of stock Android.

No... After using Samsung devices for years, I got a Pixel 2 XL for the quick updates despite the missing features compared to the Galaxy S7/S8/S9, and so far I'm pretty happy with my choice and I'm dealing better than I thought I would with the lack of a microSD card reader, wireless charging and minijack audio port.
The way I see it, OnePlus phones are a lose-lose situation: they lack the quick Android updates the Pixel has AND they lack the features that make the Galaxy S7/S8/S9 such great phones (terrific display, IP68, wireless charging, great camera, SD card reader, etc.) so yeah, I'm not interested at all in the OnePlus 6.
For me the only dilemma I have these days is pretty simple: Do I go with the quick Android updates and great user experience +
decent hardware (Pixel) or do I go for all the hardware bells and whistles but a less enjoyable software experience (Galaxy/Note)?
I'm not saying the OnePlus 6 is a bad phone for others, but it's not a phone for me

GCbard said:
I am just curious if anyone here is considering the OnePlus 6?
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The day OnePlus supports Verizon is the day I will spend money on a phone of theirs. I am patiently waiting with money in hand.

Short ans no
Long ans still no
Cheers ?
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Phazonclash said:
No... After using Samsung devices for years, I got a Pixel 2 XL for the quick updates despite the missing features compared to the Galaxy S7/S8/S9, and so far I'm pretty happy with my choice and I'm dealing better than I thought I would with the lack of a microSD card reader, wireless charging and minijack audio port.
The way I see it, OnePlus phones are a lose-lose situation: they lack the quick Android updates the Pixel has AND they lack the features that make the Galaxy S7/S8/S9 such great phones (terrific display, IP68, wireless charging, great camera, SD card reader, etc.) so yeah, I'm not interested at all in the OnePlus 6.
For me the only dilemma I have these days is pretty simple: Do I go with the quick Android updates and great user experience +
decent hardware (Pixel) or do I go for all the hardware bells and whistles but a less enjoyable software experience (Galaxy/Note)?
I'm not saying the OnePlus 6 is a bad phone for others, but it's not a phone for me
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I see your points but just a little devil's advocate here, your missing one of the best reasons to get a OnePlus. It's got the best performance for the money. Yes they've been climbing up in price every year but it's still ~$250-$300 less than comparable Pixel and Galaxy phones. Yet it's one of the fastest in everyday multitasking, great RAM management, and very good battery. Even if they have it rise up to $599 for the higher OnePlus 6 model, it's still a decent savings.
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Not even considering it. 2 reasons for me...the stupid a$$ notch and the camera is junk. And I say the camera is junk because I have no faith in these guys to get it right. And if they did...still have the dumb a$$ notch. No thx.

Phazonclash said:
No... After using Samsung devices for years, I got a Pixel 2 XL for the quick updates despite the missing features compared to the Galaxy S7/S8/S9, and so far I'm pretty happy with my choice and I'm dealing better than I thought I would with the lack of a microSD card reader, wireless charging and minijack audio port.
The way I see it, OnePlus phones are a lose-lose situation: they lack the quick Android updates the Pixel has AND they lack the features that make the Galaxy S7/S8/S9 such great phones (terrific display, IP68, wireless charging, great camera, SD card reader, etc.) so yeah, I'm not interested at all in the OnePlus 6.
For me the only dilemma I have these days is pretty simple: Do I go with the quick Android updates and great user experience +
decent hardware (Pixel) or do I go for all the hardware bells and whistles but a less enjoyable software experience (Galaxy/Note)?
I'm not saying the OnePlus 6 is a bad phone for others, but it's not a phone for me
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Have you even owned a OnePlus 5T? Doesn't sound like it. You are spreading misinformation. The main developers are former XDA/Custom Rom Devs who were hired to work for OnePlus. They have Beta releases which they freely communicate and offer instructions/support how to install and run. The last Beta 3 had full fling/swipe gestures which at the same time expanded the screen fully, not the bad fling Nav gestures that are on the custom Roms here which still leave the bottom part of the screen blank/Nav space present and don't expand the view/icons etc to the bottom to gain full use. That is fully functioning in the OnePlus 5T Beta 3 released that is rock solid overall with few bugs. The profile of the 5T phone/near frameless/size are all way ahead of the Pixel 2 XL. The AMOLED screen is much better on the 5T than the Pixel XL 2 in every way. To say the screen is good on this phone is ridiculous with all of the verified off angle blue tint and other issues that became a public fiasco for Google. Mind boggling why this phone looks and performs the way it does with Google in control of the process. The only thing they don't have is the camera/software on the OnePlus. They have some of the best Devs who came from XDA/Custom Rom worlds...hence why they were hired to work for them. Read up on those facts/history is you would like. Also, they have some of the good Dev support from XDA, only second I would say to HTC Dev. This new Pixel with Treble has caused a lot of issues, and soon everybody is going to be dealing with, even OnePlus and other manufacturers since they have no choice. So the future should get better for everybody.
Clean Android experience? Oxygen OS is already pretty stripped down. You can run Nova on it like I do with the Pixel, or AOSP or whatever, it is just as generic and they are open to the standard Google Android experience as anybody, with their own twist if you choose to run their launcher.
Memory/processor loaded up on the OnePlus 5T. No SDCard like a lot of phones today, but dual sim slots if you need it. It is a great performing phone, up there with the best for much less money. If they implement VZW band support and improve that camera, I'm ditching this Google Pixel XL 2 phone is a heartbeat. I personally was running the latest Beta 3 on my 5T with swipe gestures and Nova, unlocked, rooted with blu_sprk custom Kernel/TWRP version and it was a phenomenal performer and great phone. Since I don't take a lot of photos and use the camera that much...really not a big deal. I have a $3k SLR if I want to be serious about photography to use.
But to each his own. Only reason I even am using this Pixel is because there are very few phones on VZW which you can unlock the bootloader/root and maintain functionality to customize it. Only other phone you can buy to do this really is a V30+, and even then, not as good as the Pixel 2 XL.

Not in a million years. On contract in the UK you're basically paying top dollar for a sub par phone. Did they ever fix the upside down jelly displays or put a decent cam in them yet?

Mr Patchy Patch said:
Not even considering it. 2 reasons for me...the stupid a$$ notch and the camera is junk. And I say the camera is junk because I have no faith in these guys to get it right. And if they did...still have the dumb a$$ notch. No thx.
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I hate to say it but the notch is the new "no 3.5 mm headphone jack". I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the majority rather than the minority in another year or two.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I hate to say it but the notch is the new "no 3.5 mm headphone jack". I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the majority rather than the minority in another year or two.
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I'm forecasting the opposite. After not meeting sales projections for the year, they will drop this notch foolishness like a hot potato.
We each have a 50/50 shot at being correct. I hope I am, btw.

OnePlus 6?

Anyone here going for the OnePlus 6?

If it supported Verizon...I would no doubt. But, no such luck this time around either.

No! Going to keep my badboy Pixel XL 2!!

Hell no! I've got enough data mining in my life already! ?

Battery 3300 is very bad for a 6.28 inch screen.
Knowing the release of op 6, I bought pixel 2 xl very recently (slightly higher price paid than avengers edition of op6). OP camera software often so bad that we end up waiting and using gcam mods.
Camera, Battery life and display are better in pixel 2 xl.
Oneplus forum is a war zone no courtesy shown by many. Ofcourse we could use xda for it though.

srikanth.k39 said:
Battery 3300 is very bad for a 6.28 inch screen.
Knowing the release of op 6, I bought pixel 2 xl very recently (slightly higher price paid than avengers edition of op6). OP camera software often so bad that we end up waiting and using gcam mods.
Camera, Battery life and display are better in pixel 2 xl.
Oneplus forum is a war zone no courtesy shown by many. Ofcourse we could use xda for it though.
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3300 is fine and will actually yield great battery life because
1. The screen is still 1080p
2. SD 845 will be more efficient
I'm most likely getting one, but definitely keeping my 2 XL. The camera, as well as my current setup (Stock+Root+Flash Kernel+Xposed w/ GravityBox) is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to mention the amazing camera on the 2 XL! I'm sure the 6's camera will be great, but I doubt it will beat the 2 XL.
So all-in-all, I'll have both! If the camera performs at least close to the 2 XL, and when development picks up, then I'd probably consider selling my 2 XL down the road and using the 6 as my daily driver - at least until the Pixel 3 comes out lol

NO!

No. OnePlus is an awful company.

No, im not going back to oneplus .

From my personal experience: anyone coming from a OP to a Pixel will not buy another OP.
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
This might be an odd sentence but here's the bottom line:
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.

Question is why would i?
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rickysidhu_ said:
3300 is fine and will actually yield great battery life because
1. The screen is still 1080p
2. SD 845 will be more efficient
I'm most likely getting one, but definitely keeping my 2 XL. The camera, as well as my current setup (Stock+Root+Flash Kernel+Xposed w/ GravityBox) is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to mention the amazing camera on the 2 XL! I'm sure the 6's camera will be great, but I doubt it will beat the 2 XL.
So all-in-all, I'll have both! If the camera performs at least close to the 2 XL, and when development picks up, then I'd probably consider selling my 2 XL down the road and using the 6 as my daily driver - at least until the Pixel 3 comes out lol
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Nice.
I was the owner of OP 5T before as daily driver.
I was very less options left at that time coming from iphone to android. I have more restrictions, I needed phone with work profile (so rooting has to be given up). I badly needed a dual aim for daily driver. S8+ fingerprint placement I hated. So chose OP5T. Camera software was very bad the default one. Tired of exploring multiple gcam modes etc... The famous oil painting effect on pics has not been resolved for months on 5T when I owned.
My current set up is S9+ as daily driver (work phone) just because of dual sim support. Keeping pixel 2 XL as secondary one (most of my personal use occasional work email check) Neither Pixel nor iphone can become my primary until dual sim versions released though with my restrictions.

srikanth.k39 said:
Nice.
I was the owner of OP 5T before as daily driver.
I was very less options left at that time coming from iphone to android. I have more restrictions, I needed phone with work profile (so rooting has to be given up). I badly needed a dual aim for daily driver. S8+ fingerprint placement I hated. So chose OP5T. Camera software was very bad the default one. Tired of exploring multiple gcam modes etc... The famous oil painting effect on pics has not been resolved for months on 5T when I owned.
My current set up is S9+ as daily driver (work phone) just because of dual sim support. Keeping pixel 2 XL as secondary one (most of my personal use occasional work email check) Neither Pixel nor iphone can become my primary until dual sim versions released though with my restrictions.
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Yeah I didn't like my 5T when I had it. Sold it very quickly. My 5 on the other hand was strangely better, even though it came before the 5T.
I also was not happy about the camera issues like you mentioned + the vibration motor felt very cheap.
I like how much custom development is available for those devices, which is a big reason why I'm most likely going to buy it and just switch between my 2 XL and that whenever I feel like it.
I've never had Samsungs though but if it's treating you well, why not continue using it

FrankBullitt said:
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.
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I said this on a portal discussion regarding the release of the 5T, and it bears repeating here. For a company with "Never Settle" as its slogan, OnePlus does an awful lot of "settling", i.e. compromising, on the most important part [the display] of a smartphone. The display was why the OP5T never factored into my buying choices. The OP6 isn't any better, as it's still not quad HD like on flagship devices. So for yet another year OnePlus will simply be a pretender to the throne.
If OnePlus really wants to play with the big boys, they need to stop compromising and go all out. Make a product that will truly knock people's socks off.

rickysidhu_ said:
Yeah I didn't like my 5T when I had it. Sold it very quickly. My 5 on the other hand was strangely better, even though it came before the 5T.
I also was not happy about the camera issues like you mentioned + the vibration motor felt very cheap.
I like how much custom development is available for those devices, which is a big reason why I'm most likely going to buy it and just switch between my 2 XL and that whenever I feel like it.
I've never had Samsungs though but if it's treating you well, why not continue using it
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Due to no dual sim support, I had to live with samsung. S9+ has better camera, beauty and display though battery life is worse compare to pixel 2 xl even with full hd+ we all know it is due to bloatware services/apps.
Heard rumours that Apple is also considering dual sim versions for next iPhone, hope google do consider dual sim versions.
By the way I did try huawei honor v10 and 20 pro. Unfortunately work profile issues and bad support made me avoid them completely.

tekkitan said:
No. OnePlus is an awful company.
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and liars. I got OP5 and returned, because camera was terrible, but they talked about "clearer photos". They lied in performance test.....for me they bad reputation company

FrankBullitt said:
From my personal experience: anyone coming from a OP to a Pixel will not buy another OP.
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
This might be an odd sentence but here's the bottom line:
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I said this on a portal discussion regarding the release of the 5T, and it bears repeating here. For a company with "Never Settle" as its slogan, OnePlus does an awful lot of "settling", i.e. compromising, on the most important part [the display] of a smartphone. The display was why the OP5T never factored into my buying choices. The OP6 isn't any better, as it's still not quad HD like on flagship devices. So for yet another year OnePlus will simply be a pretender to the throne.
If OnePlus really wants to play with the big boys, they need to stop compromising and go all out. Make a product that will truly knock people's socks off.
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Frank: The OnePlus 5T was the fastest phone on the market until the S9+ came out and gave it a run for its money. Then the 6 came out and it is now the fastest/best performing device on the market. And OxygenOS is amazing, clean, and adds useful features (like face unlock that's actually good). Plus OnePlus added in over 200 optimizations to make it even better. Look it up. There are tons of videos to prove it's faster and smoother. Your comment has no grounds.
Strephon: How can you say anything about the display of a phone when defending the Pixel 2 XL? It literally had a huge scandal, and still isn't fixed. The normal resolution gives it an edge in battery life, and overall performance. The 27" monitor I'm typing this on is 1080p and at 2 feet away is no issue. You're telling me a 6 inch phone with that resolution is a problem? Plus the Amoled OnePlus uses is much better quality compared to the Pixel's lackluster LG panel. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the Pixel forum, but come on, lose the blinders, people.

Had 3 devices from OP so far (OPO, OP5 and OP5T) and still use them but not going to get another one anymore. Why? Because Pixel devices is what suits me the best... top hardware with top software.

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Strephon: How can you say anything about the display of a phone when defending the Pixel 2 XL? It literally had a huge scandal, and still isn't fixed. The normal resolution gives it an edge in battery life, and overall performance. The 27" monitor I'm typing this on is 1080p and at 2 feet away is no issue. You're telling me a 6 inch phone with that resolution is a problem? Plus the Amoled OnePlus uses is much better quality compared to the Pixel's lackluster LG panel. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the Pixel forum, but come on, lose the blinders, people.
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The quoted post above is sponsored by OnePlus, where "Never Settle" is an oxymoron.
You mentioned us P2XL owners having blinders on when nothing could be further from the truth. While we may have unwanted press over non-issues such as blue shifting and color profiles, at least our devices were assembled with the screens pointed in the right direction, unlike the OP5T.
Ignoring the fact that people rarely view their devices at the extreme angles required for the blue shift to be noticeable, the phenomenon is inherent in ALL AMOLED displays. My Galaxy S4 has it. My Nexus 6 has it. My P2XL has it. Of the three the S4, having an early AMOLED screen, has blue shift to a greater degree than either my Nexus 6 or my P2XL.
The only reason blue shift and the color profile were even mentioned is to drive page views. As for the color profile non-issue, I use the original color profile and not the boosted or saturated modes. No problems here, and in fact I enjoy the color accuracy.
OnePlus having a FHD screen is not a problem if you're not used to anything else. But a flagship device has a QHD display, period. What OnePlus has done here is what they have always done: compromise. When they stop, perhaps then we'll take notice.

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Frank: The OnePlus 5T was the fastest phone on the market until the S9+ came out and gave it a run for its money. Then the 6 came out and it is now the fastest/best performing device on the market. And OxygenOS is amazing, clean, and adds useful features (like face unlock that's actually good). Plus OnePlus added in over 200 optimizations to make it even better. Look it up. There are tons of videos to prove it's faster and smoother. Your comment has no grounds.
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Yes, my comments have no ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...soon_discontinuing_development_i_wont/dyi9wh0
It's not just the camera; everything on the Pixel 2 is way, way more polished than anything that OnePlus (and I on my own) could ever make.
As much as I hate to admit it, my custom ROMs can't touch the stock ROM on the Pixel 2 in terms of polish and performance. Lately I've been doing more scientific performance assessments on Android (for the sake of research with a professor at my university), instead of just using the phone and thinking, "Seems good to me!," and the results I pulled off the Pixel 2 absolutely crush the results I pulled from stock LineageOS 15.1 on the 3T. It is very difficult to get frame drops while playing with the Pixel 2, whereas I instantly recorded frame drops galore on the 3T. This has been a bit of a wakeup call to me in that I need to reevaluate my ideology and follow a more scientific strategy in optimizing Android on a phone (i.e., using the dozens of test suites Google has built for Android). The bugs that bother users the most are the ones that tend to happen a small percentage of the time (like random reboots), and the Pixel 2 has clearly been optimized to the point where most of those rare bugs are nonexistent (e.g., frames are rarely dropped).
When I ran one of Google's UI performance test apps on the Pixel 2 against my LineageOS 14.1 ROM on the 3T, my ROM dropped frames nonstop (according to this tool) while the Pixel 2 dropped zero frames...
Deep down, I'm a kernel developer and that's where I excel. I'd rather stick to what I know (and enjoy) with kernel hacking and leave the pain of polishing userspace to Google's army of engineers.
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You were saying something about oneplus, weren't you?
I owned oneplus phones, I owned Nexus, I own a Pixel2XL. Tell me about daily performance again, please.