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Is it still worth getting?

i read some reviews that say this phone becomes useless in months im wondering from experince how is the phone working for those who have had it for a long time

liljay18 said:
i read some reviews that say this phone becomes useless in months im wondering from experince how is the phone working for those who have had it for a long time
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I had I for more than a year for more than a year of very intensive use (loading up to 270 app version s). I would definitely buy again.
I just had problems after it dropped violently on the ground but I insist build quality is good.
After full reinstall I changed it to ww from cn and with little bugs (camera lost) it works really well.

Where did you read that (links please) and what was the reasoning behind it? As of now, I can't think of any reason why this (or any other) phone would become useless in the coming months. Even if it was an Android 4.4 based phone. I'm not talking about getting updates, but phones don't just stop working (unless they break down).

In my opinion, not anymore. I'm actually a ZE551 user for 3 months now and am satisfied by it, but the specs in this phone is not a viable option anymore. The intel processor can even hold you back sometimes despite its "native support" for ARM apps. (take a look at the Pokemon GO craze earlier)
And if you are 3D gaming it can also be a setback due to the GPU included in this phone. The PowerVR GPU is a 2012 technology, and this means that with the future games this may not even suffice later on. Even some games recently released cant even play smoothly on this phone now (Titan Quest was said to be slow on this phone, though I havent seen it myself)
But the 4G support aint bad at all, and the 3-way call feature may attract you (something I never used). Most of the other things from various reviews still ring true (bloatware, zenui, camera, etc) but the thing is, on the same price point you may find a better option than the Zenfone 2 in this day and age.

If you can get it at a low price (around 150 usd) it is still worth buying.
If you need it just for the basic stuff (phone, messaging, browsing, navigation, music, videos etc.) it still is a great phone and with it's chipset and 4gb of ram it will sure run flawlessly for at least a year or two.
In my opinion, this phone is great as a business phone / second phone. It just works and nothing more. I got bored with it

If you could get it with a slightly lower price, it's still worth buying. Quality is great overall.
Btw, ZE551ML 2.3GHz4GB/32GB price here is dropped to as low as 2,800,000 IDR (approx. 212.8 USD) at local store here.
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going for a 4 gb ram model, u have to pay a bomb to get those high end phones which have charger lock and other things ... i dont regret buying this masterpiece, im coming from a background of Sony and Samsung phones to top it all .... i still feel this is the best of the phones i have considering the battery and the ram and also i am using a 128gb sdxc card which is going on for a year almost... NO REGRETS ..STILL THE BEST FOR ME

I have this phone since August 2016 and it never disappointed me. The processor is pretty good, you can run almost anything without any problems, the 4GB still is and will always be useful, the storage is big (i have the 32GB version, which is a lot for me and i never filled it). Sure, it hasn't been updated to 6.0 but I bought it with the thought that it might never get upgraded anyway..and even so 5.0 is still good and never had problems on it so far. I still recommend it even 1 year after I made the purchase. The price of the phone also went down (it's like 30% cheaper compared to when I bought it).

Definitely worth buying if you can find it around $150. The problem is that there are some excellent phones with bigger batteries and faster processors like the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro for just under $200 that blow this one away. Having said that I still have mine (15 months now) and it's on Marshmallow Beta. I have no plans on replacing it in the foreseeable future though my primary phone is now the Xiaomi.

Thinking about buying the 5x

So I'm coming from a Sony Z3C and due to the lack of support (no Nougat for us) and development (no proper CM for us) I'm thinking moving to another device.
I'm taking into consideration Sony XZ/X as well as the S7, but none of them have development going on due to various reasons. So no development is not a solution for me.
Would you still recommend buying the 5X after mote than a year since the release? Do you enjoy yhe phone? Or do you have any recommendation? I don't have enough money for a Pixel, nor buy a phablet.
Thanks!

Nexus 5x devices have something like sudden death issue, motherboards die in a random moment. After replacing motherboard on warranty you will be no longer able to root your phone (or you will get your money refund)
So in that case, I wouldn't recommen this phone. This phone is great if it's working without any issues, but LG at the backs means that will not.

Do no buy nothing LG. Go for the Huawei 6p.

moonlightdrive said:
Do no buy nothing LG. Go for the Huawei 6p.
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6P is too big

I can recommend. I have this phone since june this year, and as far its the best phone i had. No lag, manual camera + raw, exelent photos, fast update, great developer support and that fingerprint reader wich i LOVE. Only i can complain about size (little bit too small for me) and battery wich is average. From 7AM to 8PM and have 15% left (~4 hours SOT). It's the best phone so far. I am also Sony fan (or i will say "was") mine last Sony device was Z2 (neo v, S, T, Z, Z1).
Also build quality is crap. My Nexus Inprint plastic is shiny now (was mate). Also plastic round the phone is shining (always in mercury case). I can send a photo how it looks.
Phone is really good AND ITS CHEAP.

Wouldn't recommend battery life is horrendously bad.

ErixGamer said:
Wouldn't recommend battery life is horrendously bad.
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Then what would you recommend?

doriandiaconu said:
Then what would you recommend?
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I would recommend an LG G4 or a Moto X pure, both are more or less the same price i believe, and they are much better than the 5x in terms of a more premium feel and better performance (3gb ram vs 2gb on the 5x :/ ) I have had mines about 5 months and it's not to bad, but it still bugs me till today that there were better devices i could have gotten, guess i should have done more research , btw the oneplus 2 is also a great device for around the same price and great support and performance.

niklus101 said:
I would recommend an LG G4 or a Moto X pure, both are more or less the same price i believe, and they are much better than the 5x in terms of a more premium feel and better performance (3gb ram vs 2gb on the 5x :/ ) I have had mines about 5 months and it's not to bad, but it still bugs me till today that there were better devices i could have gotten, guess i should have done more research , btw the oneplus 2 is also a great device for around the same price and great support and performance.
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I already said that I'm not intetested in bigger phones, that's why I got my eyes on the 5X but thanks

Don't ever buy a LG G4! It is the king of the bootloopers. All the 2015 LG flagship's have that issue G4, G FLex II, V10, V20, now G5 (2016) and well Nexus 5x too...
There is no solution for that failure. Motherboard replacement is not a deffinitive solution cause they never made a revisión or something to correct the mistake.
Have you seen the Xperia z5 compact? Very small size and powerfull. Thats the phone i want to get.

moonlightdrive said:
Don't ever buy a LG G4! It is the king of the bootloopers. All the 2015 LG flagship's have that issue G4, G FLex II, V10, V20, now G5 (2016) and well Nexus 5x too...
There is no solution for that failure. Motherboard replacement is not a deffinitive solution cause they never made a revisión or something to correct the mistake.
Have you seen the Xperia z5 compact? Very small size and powerfull. Thats the phone i want to get.
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Xperias have problems with development because of the DRM partition - meaning no AOSP/CM ROMs working properly as a daily driver (I got a Z3C so I know). The Z5C sounds cool, but it has the not so acclaimed Snapdragon 820 with overheating issued, and as a Sony user I can say that the camera is horrid. Good sensor, horrible code optimization. Last, but not least, it may not get further than N. My phone didn't get N due to whatever reason, despite not being even 2 yrs old. The new XC or XZ looks nice. But even rooting requires unlocked bootloader, which leads to loss of DRM keys, which means loss of camera functions (noise reduction, low light shots, making it even worse than it is) and warranty.
For the old Z series there was something called TA Backup which made it possible to copy and restore the keys. For the new ones this isn't possible.
So here I am. Not knowing what to buy again due to the 5X problems..

doriandiaconu said:
Xperias have problems with development because of the DRM partition - meaning no AOSP/CM ROMs working properly as a daily driver (I got a Z3C so I know). The Z5C sounds cool, but it has the not so acclaimed Snapdragon 820 with overheating issued, and as a Sony user I can say that the camera is horrid. Good sensor, horrible code optimization. Last, but not least, it may not get further than N. My phone didn't get N due to whatever reason, despite not being even 2 yrs old. The new XC or XZ looks nice. But even rooting requires unlocked bootloader, which leads to loss of DRM keys, which means loss of camera functions (noise reduction, low light shots, making it even worse than it is) and warranty.
For the old Z series there was something called TA Backup which made it possible to copy and restore the keys. For the new ones this isn't possible.
So here I am. Not knowing what to buy again due to the 5X problems..
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Good to know all that info, we are on the same boat... (i want to sell my less than a month Nexus 5x)
Thank you!

moonlightdrive said:
Good to know all that info, we are on the same boat... (i want to sell my less than a month Nexus 5x)
Thank you!
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I know, right? It's so hard to get a properly working phone. Not overpriced (Pixel), or bigger than 5.2" at most (means without OP, LG, HTC, Motorola) which has dev support (not like Sony or Samsung) and no hardware issues (see 5X). This basically puts me in a situation without a choice.

doriandiaconu said:
I know, right? It's so hard to get a properly working phone. Not overpriced (Pixel), or bigger than 5.2" at most (means without OP, LG, HTC, Motorola) which has dev support (not like Sony or Samsung) and no hardware issues (see 5X). This basically puts me in a situation without a choice.
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Exactly, i totally agree. Pixel is not a choice (is like an iPhone for me, you pay for how it looks) i just want something "small" 5.2" max not a phablet even the budget phones like moto g4 have 5.5 inch screen, really too big al least for me. I miss the nokia n73, moto razr v8, those were good little phones haha (i really like physical keyboards, but i know, that would be imposible in this times).

doriandiaconu said:
I know, right? It's so hard to get a properly working phone. Not overpriced (Pixel), or bigger than 5.2" at most (means without OP, LG, HTC, Motorola) which has dev support (not like Sony or Samsung) and no hardware issues (see 5X). This basically puts me in a situation without a choice.
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If you can get it cheap enough it's worth it even if it messes up. I had a nexus 6 and it was too large. Like you I don't like jumbo phones. The 5x is very light. Some may say it feels cheap but I like it BC it is sturdy and light. It certainly won't bend. Right now there are not many options. The camera aid good and it runs smooth despite 2GB of ram. There the bootloader issue but for cheap enough it's worth the risk to me. I love it as a daily and it fits much better in my suit pants than the other huge phones right now.

It is really sad that I got so few good reviews related to this phone. I guess I'll watch if the development of the new Xperias gets to the point where the DRM partition gets a possible backup and buy one of them....such a shame since Nexus was the most dev friendly.

Even subway surfers drops frames , probably cause of temp throttling (on stock), im really disappointed with this device and google... If i knew of bootloop problem and this temp throttle wouldn't buy it...no chance...
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I'm very confused... I cannot decide whether the Nexus 5X would be a good deal or not: someone claims about (serious!) problems, someone says it's very good... I was a very lucky Moto G 2014 owner, but unfortunately its life came to an end. I wanted a quite cheap phone (maximum 270€) with an active development that can let me hope I will receive latest android versions (cyanogenmod) in a couple of months and I tought about a Nexus 5X, but if it has so many problems, is it better to find an alternative?

CiccaGuru said:
I'm very confused... I cannot decide whether the Nexus 5X would be a good deal or not: someone claims about (serious!) problems, someone says it's very good... I was a very lucky Moto G 2014 owner, but unfortunately its life came to an end. I wanted a quite cheap phone (maximum 270€) with an active development that can let me hope I will receive latest android versions (cyanogenmod) in a couple of months and I tought about a Nexus 5X, but if it has so many problems, is it better to find an alternative?
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I've been facing the same problem for the past year or so, just because there haven't really been any devices that I could see as a replacement for my i9100. I finally made my decision though and I'm picking up a 5X tomorrow. If you want an affordable phone with a lot of custom ROMs and even long official support (especially rare with android), you don't have much of a choice. Of course there is the risk of that bootloop issue appearing, but that's what you have a warranty for. If the issue comes up a year later, you'll most likely get a refund and you've basically had a phone for a year for free. Plus I've also read speculations that Google tried to put the blame on LG, as pretty much every case of this bootloop issue happened after updating to Nougat. My guess is that there was an issue with thermal throttling not working right in the early Nougat builds for the 5X which made the phone more prone to failure. In that case I would say they've already fixed it but who knows..

DanielM998 said:
I finally made my decision though and I'm picking up a 5X tomorrow.
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Thanks Daniel, I was thinking to buy it at the end of the next week.. If yours arrives before that date, would you please be so kind and let me know how does it work?
And what about low RAM and poor audio quality? They were the main reason that stopped me from buying it till this afternoon, when I read this post. Are they really a problem?

Still worthing buy the Nexus 5x in 2017?

Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD

Don't do that I have lots of problems with this device (if you want to use it for modding or just unlocking bootloader) Click

DaRk-L0rD said:
Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD
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Don't do that I have lots of problems with this device (if you want to use it for modding or just unlocking bootloader) Click
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that's kinda single case. in general the N5X works very good, is easy to handle/to mod and its greatly supported by developers and Google.
also, the Nexus is always first in getting Android updates alongside with Pixel. so yeah, imo its still worth it to buy.

ulxerker said:
that's kinda single case. in general the N5X works very good, is easy to handle/to mod and its greatly supported by developers and Google.
also, the Nexus is always first in getting Android updates alongside with Pixel. so yeah, imo its still worth it to buy.
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Yes, I agree, it worked very well before the problem.

Here you have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izdD7l3BWY

Satisfied, and it is still a decent device. But if you are a heavy user with so many apps and multitasking requirements, I'd advise against it as a daily driver.

Yes. After more than a month of use, updated to 7.1.1 and jan security update, so far no problem. This one is my daily driver.

For the "right" price of course. You should try and negotiate.

I can buy three Pixels with my budget, but Im not considering changing my 5x as a daily driver yet. Using it since jan 2016, not a single issue except for the back cover getting dirty easily. Light, not too big not too small, not expensive, powerful enough for almost any task, great display, decent stereo speakers with mod, accurate GPS, good battery life with 7.1.1, always up to date, durable and impressive cameras.
Theres no better smartphone on the market IMO, of course depending on your wishes, you wont need anything other that N5X cannot offer.

It depends on who you are. A heavy user playing games, having a tens of apps opened or rather a decent one with social/media focus? This being a good device for sorta a middle demanding user. It's still got very good camera, vanilla Android, regular updates, good dimensions etc... Speaking for myself, I've always been happy with it. It just fits my needs

It depends!
i have this device from 1 month! it not so much time .. but enought for test it in deep.
the value depends on how much money you will spend!
because the 5x have some deficiencies compare with over middle range! display - battery - audio-ram is under the average!
although the cpu is a very good compromise: good performance and very low heat! and the camera is very very good too!
take your sum but i suggest to look something else and more future-proof ( mininum 3 gb of ram )
ps. I bought it because a friend of mine gave it to me for 100 euro 32 gb hehehehe and it have just 5 months. DD

It is a good phone unless you have unreasonable expectations. Works good for me

DaRk-L0rD said:
Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD
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Despite of the bootloop issue happening globally, I strongly suggest avoid buying it or any google device like 6P and other LG Devices for your own good

I just got mine early this month, I bought it coz I know it would still get the next Android version after Nougat. This thing takes great photos, arguably comparable or better than what the current flagships has to offer. And feels just as snappy. I would recommend it.
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Despite of the bootloop issue happening globally, I strongly suggest avoid buying it or any google device like 6P and other LG Devices for your own good
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For some reason, I don't get no bootloops at all. I have stock everything.

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I just got mine early this month, I bought it coz I know it would still get the next Android version after Nougat. This thing takes great photos, arguably comparable or better than what the current flagships has to offer. And feels just as snappy. I would recommend it.
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For some reason, I don't get no bootloops at all. I have stock everything.
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Of course not all of us would experience that right away, LG itself claimed the hardware problem presented on Nexus 5X devices which causes the device to loop endlessly, telling to refund them as they're no longer have the parts to repair it.
I have my 5X, I bought it 2016, January and I wasn't aware of the hardware problem happening on 5X due to the bad soldering on the motherboard which the flash memory and Snapdragon chip residing on, few days ago I didn't knew that was the end making my $400 phone a paperweight, the worse thing is warranty has already expired plus I'm living outside the US and Europe so Google and LG's support are unavailable and are out of reach, so what now? Google left me out of the blue for nothing on this crap phone. I'm a huge fan of their nexus devices and 5X was my first ever phone I bought and same reason as yours why I bought it, very disappointed so never again to them and LG.
It's not bad for me to say him avoid buying it because I'm just concerned about it, rather than blame everything at the end of the day when it happens...

My opinion: just buy it If you like the stock android with quick updates, and modding/custom rom
If so, it's excellent, great screen, great camera, a lot of community roms/mods so you cant get bored...
But If you are not going to enjoy that you better go to other option

JovieBrett said:
Of course not all of us would experience that right away, LG itself claimed the hardware problem presented on Nexus 5X devices which causes the device to loop endlessly, telling to refund them as they're no longer have the parts to repair it.
I have my 5X, I bought it 2016, January and I wasn't aware of the hardware problem happening on 5X due to the bad soldering on the motherboard which the flash memory and Snapdragon chip residing on, few days ago I didn't knew that was the end making my $400 phone a paperweight, the worse thing is warranty has already expired plus I'm living outside the US and Europe so Google and LG's support are unavailable and are out of reach, so what now? Google left me out of the blue for nothing on this crap phone. I'm a huge fan of their nexus devices and 5X was my first ever phone I bought and same reason as yours why I bought it, very disappointed so never again to them and LG.
It's not bad for me to say him avoid buying it because I'm just concerned about it, rather than blame everything at the end of the day when it happens...
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They said the boot loops occurred after the Nougat update. I got the phone under marshmallow and updated it with no issues so far. Not sure if the boot loops occurs on all models though as there's a couple of them. I got the H791 (UK.EU version). Crossing my fingers.

Well, I got it for £200 and it is way worth the money. I think it's okay as a daily driver, but if you had the money - get the Pixel. It's just.. better. If the Pixel is a bit too much maybe get the Nexus 6P. It's an upgrade from this although personally I find 5.2" to be a perfect phone size, and alas the Pixel only comes in 5" and 5.5".
I'm using this as a daily driver with the following, it is still fast and amazing:
Pixel ROM (6.1)
F2FS Data & Cache Partitions
Adaway
Franco Kernel (r32)
SuperSU (SR3)
Naptime (Disable Motion, Instant Doze, and Exclude Fit)
L Speed (LNET Tweaked for Mobile Data, Disabled Debugging, and KSM Enable)
FKUpdator for HawkTail1.2 Governer
Thermal Throttling changed to 46 Degrees Celcius
XThermal Mod (for Charging)
Substratum for "Swift Dark Theme (7.1.1)"
TWRP Classic 3.0.2-2
UX Sound Mod (Final + HiFi)

My short answer No, do not buy. I was debating the Moto G4 Plus versus Nexus 5x last November and purchased the Nexus. It is impossible to say whether I would have liked the Moto better or not but I would research alternative phones before purchasing.
My longer answer is that the Nexus 5x works fairly well but often feels laggy, especially if you have too many chrome browser tabs open. Task switching often feels like my old memory constrained Windows 7 desktop computer. This is without playing any games or loading the Facebook app. These statements are made while running totally stock with the 7.0 OS release without any skins or launchers or widgets loaded. Also I might be primarily commenting on software issues with the Chrome Browser rather than the device itself but when on slow Wi-Fi or 3G connections I sometimes experienced greater than one second User Interface glitches when switching between apps or even getting the on screen keyboard to load in order to type. This all happened while on a long vacation/travel where internet access was often bandwidth constrained. Still I found the user experience to be poor even under good network conditions. I kept a few communications/text-chat apps loaded along with the browser and email and occasionally used some banking or calculator or news apps, enough that memory had to be reclaimed which appeared to be the biggest source of the UI pauses.
To add a little more context I purchased the 5x to replace my Asus Zenfone 2 after its wifi interface had died. The Zenfone 2 had 4 GB of memory and always task switched with ease and never felt laggy (though it was not a speed demon) even though it had a heavier skin. My old Nexus 4 was very SRAM constrained which eventually caused me to upgrade but it never felt as unresponsive as the newer 5x.

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They said the boot loops occurred after the Nougat update. I got the phone under marshmallow and updated it with no issues so far. Not sure if the boot loops occurs on all models though as there's a couple of them. I got the H791 (UK.EU version). Crossing my fingers.
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Then that's great for you your phone is running good 'til now. It just happened nougat is currently rolling out the time more and more users are getting affected because the older the phone, the more it's getting to an end, that's why lots of users feels like nougat is the problem when hardware is the fault itself, google and LG already declared their statement about it.

Need to Replace a Pixel 2 XL

Ok my phone is on it way out, like straight up on the verge of likely dying any week now. First off I greatly dislike this phone, it it the single worst phone I have ever owned. I am not turning this into a Pixel 2 complaint session, just maybe some background so some of my reasons or questions make sense. Also I am hoping that the P2xl is just a bad phone and the 3 and the 4 are better, albeit greatly flawed in their own right..hence my dilemma.
I love the camera on this phone, probably the only good thing about it, definitely the best thing and it is so much better than any other manufacturers that its the sole reason Ive keep this phone for as long as I have. which is why I keep thinking about replacing with a pixel even though I fear I will again hate everything else about it. again sort of hoping the P2 is just a fluke and they arent all this bad.....
Problem is, with the 3s they have the ram issue correct? Is this something that has been addressed with ROMs? It sounds odd I know but there is something about googles base android on their phones that I dont like. A lot of options to change stuff that are missing that I think should be there, a lot of UI implementation things that dont make sense to me, that I feel like I should be able to change but cant. So I will be rooting and putting a custom ROM on one of these if I get it in the hopes that at least some of that is fixed or addressed.
the P4s have fixed the ram issue but they have tiny batteries...I cant deal with a phone with a small battery so the 4 is basically right out.
So I guess the basic question here is does running a custom ROM on the P3 fix the ram problem the phone has, do I keep the great camera AI with those custom ROMS and is the P3 an easy phone to root and ROM?
This sort of goes got both the XL and the smaller P3 because I would at least think they would be similar in these regards. and I may be leaning towards a smaller, lighter phone this time around.

What kind of phone do you want? Because I have quite a good experience with buying phones because I have a crap ton of them. Take a look:
Samsung Galaxy Y Young GT-S6102-First Phone
Samsung Galaxy S3 4G Korean
Huawei Honor 4C
Samsung Galaxy S6 edge
OPPO F1s
Huawei Ascend G6-L11 4G
iPhone 4S
iPhone 4
Samsung Galaxy A10 Dual Sim-Current Phone

loki993 said:
Ok my phone is on it way out, like straight up on the verge of likely dying any week now. First off I greatly dislike this phone, it it the single worst phone I have ever owned. I am not turning this into a Pixel 2 complaint session, just maybe some background so some of my reasons or questions make sense. Also I am hoping that the P2xl is just a bad phone and the 3 and the 4 are better, albeit greatly flawed in their own right..hence my dilemma.
I love the camera on this phone, probably the only good thing about it, definitely the best thing and it is so much better than any other manufacturers that its the sole reason Ive keep this phone for as long as I have. which is why I keep thinking about replacing with a pixel even though I fear I will again hate everything else about it. again sort of hoping the P2 is just a fluke and they arent all this bad.....
Problem is, with the 3s they have the ram issue correct? Is this something that has been addressed with ROMs? It sounds odd I know but there is something about googles base android on their phones that I dont like. A lot of options to change stuff that are missing that I think should be there, a lot of UI implementation things that dont make sense to me, that I feel like I should be able to change but cant. So I will be rooting and putting a custom ROM on one of these if I get it in the hopes that at least some of that is fixed or addressed.
the P4s have fixed the ram issue but they have tiny batteries...I cant deal with a phone with a small battery so the 4 is basically right out.
So I guess the basic question here is does running a custom ROM on the P3 fix the ram problem the phone has, do I keep the great camera AI with those custom ROMS and is the P3 an easy phone to root and ROM?
This sort of goes got both the XL and the smaller P3 because I would at least think they would be similar in these regards. and I may be leaning towards a smaller, lighter phone this time around.
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Hey, I would recommend going with one of the newer Samsung budget phones such as the A10, great phone, Android 10, rootable on XDA and most of all, supports Treble VNDK 29 and System-As-Root or A/B.

muhammad42620 said:
Hey, I would recommend going with one of the newer Samsung budget phones such as the A10, great phone, Android 10, rootable on XDA and most of all, supports Treble VNDK 29 and System-As-Root or A/B.
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The point wasnt looking for another phone it was trying to stay with the pixel but make the experience more to my liking and to smooth out some of the flaws the phone has.
Also the camera is obviously pretty important to me since I have kept a phone that I more or less hate for the better part of 2 years just because the camera is so good and so much better then the competition. I just dont see any way any budget phone offering will have even close to satisfactory camera performance for me. Most flagship phones dont, if one did I would have ditched this thing long ago. I have finally gotten to a point where I will give up a little bit of camera performance for a better user experience, because I just cant deal with it anymore, but I still need something thats relativity close.

loki993 said:
The point wasnt looking for another phone it was trying to stay with the pixel but make the experience more to my liking and to smooth out some of the flaws the phone has.
Also the camera is obviously pretty important to me since I have kept a phone that I more or less hate for the better part of 2 years just because the camera is so good and so much better then the competition. I just dont see any way any budget phone offering will have even close to satisfactory camera performance for me. Most flagship phones dont, if one did I would have ditched this thing long ago. I have finally gotten to a point where I will give up a little bit of camera performance for a better user experience, because I just cant deal with it anymore, but I still need something thats relativity close.
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You can install One UI 2 apps if you want to. I have all the apps that One UI 2 uses. I would gladly give them if you need 'em

loki993 said:
The point wasnt looking for another phone it was trying to stay with the pixel but make the experience more to my liking and to smooth out some of the flaws the phone has.
Also the camera is obviously pretty important to me since I have kept a phone that I more or less hate for the better part of 2 years just because the camera is so good and so much better then the competition. I just dont see any way any budget phone offering will have even close to satisfactory camera performance for me. Most flagship phones dont, if one did I would have ditched this thing long ago. I have finally gotten to a point where I will give up a little bit of camera performance for a better user experience, because I just cant deal with it anymore, but I still need something thats relativity close.
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Just wait until at least August 3rd mate, I know you said flagships do not stand up to your expectations and how would mid-range phones. Apparently the Pixel 4a will have 6GB of ram, Pixel quality camera and processor/battery combo which may be good. However, you may be think around 3000mAh may not be much and yeah it is not but for a low gpu chip(only matters for games) it may be enough. But but but...... if you can hold on a longer than that too then the rest of Google's 2020 lineup soon. Their batteries will likely be bigger and ram should be at least 6GB. If you really really, want one of the current Pixel's alright, I do not see a ram issue in present day on my Pixel 3 XL which also lasts me around 5hrs with 20%ish left. I do not know what your use case, but if you are concerned about ram get a Pixel 4 XL which does have a larger battery, yeah and more ram.
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Oh, a final mention: yes the Pixel line is simple to unlock the bootloader of. Though, if you wanna root or run a kernel all of that will have to be done on the computer starting with the Pixel 3s(for now). If you really want a smaller phone though word of advice, just wait at least until August 3rd, the device will have more ram than the Pixel 3 and more battery capacity than the Pixel 3 & Pixel 4.

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Just wait until at least August 3rd mate, I know you said flagships do not stand up to your expectations and how would mid-range phones. Apparently the Pixel 4a will have 6GB of ram, Pixel quality camera and processor/battery combo which may be good. However, you may be think around 3000mAh may not be much and yeah it is not but for a low gpu chip(only matters for games) it may be enough. But but but...... if you can hold on a longer than that too then the rest of Google's 2020 lineup soon. Their batteries will likely be bigger and ram should be at least 6GB. If you really really, want one of the current Pixel's alright, I do not see a ram issue in present day on my Pixel 3 XL which also lasts me around 5hrs with 20%ish left. I do not know what your use case, but if you are concerned about ram get a Pixel 4 XL which does have a larger battery, yeah and more ram.
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Oh, a final mention: yes the Pixel line is simple to unlock the bootloader of. Though, if you wanna root or run a kernel all of that will have to be done on the computer starting with the Pixel 3s(for now). If you really want a smaller phone though word of advice, just wait at least until August 3rd, the device will have more ram than the Pixel 3 and more battery capacity than the Pixel 3 & Pixel 4.
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Yeah, Ive been considering it. Usually I wouldn't consider a phone with a midrange processor, but to get what I want I will have to sacrifice something. I actually like that the A series is made out of plastic, I hate heavy phones, I also hate cases...plastic is light and its durable. I was actually looking at the s10e because its a light phone. the only reason I balk at that one is because of potential battery life issues. That said I dont know it would be any worse than by P2 which is adequate for me.
But yeah, if I could get past the processor the 4a probably makes a lot of sense and at least I can see if the problem I have with my current phone is because of the phone itself or Google. The whole Pixel transition just sort of irks me because I was basically a hardcore nexus fan and they just totally killed it for pixel. I see the A phones as nexus successors, but I still feel like Google cuts too many corners with the A phones. I mean I dont know how much processors cost but its sort of hard for me to believe with with all the other places Google cut costs with the A phones they couldn't figure out how to get an 8 series processor in the phone. Maybe this year would be different considering how expensive everyone claims the 865 is but shouldn't 855s be dirt cheap by now? There are near budget class phones with 855s in them right now. so thats my major gripe with the A series.
As for the 5 thats less of a sell for me. All the rumors have that phone with a midrange processor as well and I just dont see it differentiating itself from the 4a all that much, especially for the extra money its going to cost.

Question Extreme lag on Exynos model

Hi. I've had the phone for a bit more than two weeks now, and especially the past week this phone has been unbearably laggy. At times, video playback will lag behind audio (not on bluetooth or anything), app transitions are extremely sluggish, and anything to do with camera cannot even come close to sustaining 60fps. I'm not even playing games or doing anything intensive on this phone, just social media and taking pictures here and there. I haven't used any ADB debloating tool due to the fear that it'll break functionality, but if that helps i'll take a go at it. Has anyone been experiencing similar performance issues with the Exynos model? I am seriously regretting "upgrading" from my broken OnePlus 6T, at 3 years old it was so much more performant than my S22. How would I even go about diagnosing this? Thanks in advance.

During set-up of the phone,did you use Smart Sitch to restore a back-up of any data ?

brouwerchris said:
During set-up of the phone,did you use Smart Sitch to restore a back-up of any data ?
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No, I've set up everything from scratch. I've tried increasing RAM+ to 8GB from the default 4, but it hasn't helped.

sgokan03 said:
No, I've set up everything from scratch. I've tried increasing RAM+ to 8GB from the default 4, but it hasn't helped.
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I'm pretty sure increasing the RAM+ value, which essentially represents the swap memory, your phone slows down because you're using more of your phone's storage for things the RAM memory should take care of. 8GB is plenty enough for daily usage. There's no need for what Samsung did.
Try turning the feature off altogether with "adb shell settings put global ram_expand_size_list 0"

dragos281993 said:
I'm pretty sure increasing the RAM+ value, which essentially represents the swap memory, your phone slows down because you're using more of your phone's storage for things the RAM memory should take care of. 8GB is plenty enough for daily usage. There's no need for what Samsung did.
Try turning the feature off altogether with "adb shell settings put global ram_expand_size_list 0"
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I've read this somewhere else as well (with how much bloat there is in OneUI I thought maybe they put the RAM+ feature there for a reason), I'll try to run it with 0 for a while and report back. Still, could this actually be the cause for this much stuttering?

sgokan03 said:
I've read this somewhere else as well (with how much bloat there is in OneUI I thought maybe they put the RAM+ feature there for a reason), I'll try to run it with 0 for a while and report back. Still, could this actually be the cause for this much stuttering?
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Sorry! 0 actually sets it to default, which is 4gb. Set it to 2 from the settings, reboot and see how that goes.
Try reading this thing. It should give you an idea of what Ram+ is. While you're at it, got to the first page and have a look there. It's a very detailed thread on what you need to do to either get rid of the bloatware, tweak your phone and so on, without root.
[DISCONTINUED] Samsung Galaxy One UI - Optimization Guide
THIS IS A SUGGESTED CONFIGURATION FOR SAMSUNG DEVICES OUT OF SUPPORT/CLOSED I - RECOMMENDED SETTINGS To Start With - Factory Reset before starting optimisations - Factory Reset after every Major update (One UI/Android) - Remove SIM before first...
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dragos281993 said:
Sorry! 0 actually sets it to default, which is 4gb. Set it to 2 from the settings, reboot and see how that goes.
Try reading this thing. It should give you an idea of what Ram+ is. While you're at it, got to the first page and have a look there. It's a very detailed thread on what you need to do to either get rid of the bloatware, tweak your phone and so on, without root.
[DISCONTINUED] Samsung Galaxy One UI - Optimization Guide
THIS IS A SUGGESTED CONFIGURATION FOR SAMSUNG DEVICES OUT OF SUPPORT/CLOSED I - RECOMMENDED SETTINGS To Start With - Factory Reset before starting optimisations - Factory Reset after every Major update (One UI/Android) - Remove SIM before first...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Okay, good to know. I'll go through the thread (the message you sent was also helpful, I assumed it'd do the swapping once the memory is full) and debloat this as much as I could. But I still have to ask, is this the performance that I was supposed to expect from an 800€ phone?

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Okay, good to know. I'll go through the thread (the message you sent was also helpful, I assumed it'd do the swapping once the memory is full) and debloat this as much as I could. But I still have to ask, is this the performance that I was supposed to expect from an 800€ phone?
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I cancelled my preorder of the Exynos S22 because it took too long. I then ordered it from a store that brings international variants of all sorts of phones. My current S22 is from Hong Kong (TGY). What did I notice while using the phone? The battery life is TERRIBLE. I come from an iPhone 13 Pro which I used for almost 4 months but got rid of because of iOS. That thing was insanely good. I had absolutely no worries about the battery wherever I went and no matter what I was doing on it, because it was that good. Before that I used a Pixel 5, which was also the first phone which changed the way I charged my phone. Based on my usage, a full charge lasted me about 85-90% of what the iPhone lasted, so it was pretty close. This thing, TERRIBLE. I rooted it and cut the frequencies of all 3 core clusters almost in half to get half an hour more and get a little over 4h SOT.
So to answer your question, no it's definitely not worth it. I paid for this piece of rubbish 920€. Based on the experience I had so far, I wouldn't pay more than 600€ on it. I even wanted to return it and was looking to go back to a Pixel 5 which I regret selling in the first place, but after taking it out of the original white bumper case, in which I put it the second I unboxed the damn thing, I noticed small scratches all around the aluminium frame, which is supposed to be able to withstand a nuclear blast, based on Samsung's marketing BS. So the store tagged it as non-returnable because it's not "as new" anymore.
In conclusion, this is a terrible phone just because the battery is too small and the chipset is too inefficient for it, incompatible. And you are even "luckier" with your Exynos variant. FYI, Samsung sold SD variants of the S22 lienup in Koreea this time. Probably they didn't want to dissapoint their own people with their experimental chipset.

sgokan03 said:
Hi. I've had the phone for a bit more than two weeks now, and especially the past week this phone has been unbearably laggy. At times, video playback will lag behind audio (not on bluetooth or anything), app transitions are extremely sluggish, and anything to do with camera cannot even come close to sustaining 60fps. I'm not even playing games or doing anything intensive on this phone, just social media and taking pictures here and there. I haven't used any ADB debloating tool due to the fear that it'll break functionality, but if that helps i'll take a go at it. Has anyone been experiencing similar performance issues with the Exynos model? I am seriously regretting "upgrading" from my broken OnePlus 6T, at 3 years old it was so much more performant than my S22. How would I even go about diagnosing this? Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
It's true, there are reports everywhere of this problem. Every media app will stutter the image for a milisecond (twitch, instagram, youtube, etc) and the sound gets out of sync. A reboot works only for a couple of hours. Changing the ram will not solve this.
There are a lot of reports of this issue on the members app and they are aware of it. They say a patch will come but a lot has passed and the phone is almost unsuable for me. If I could, I would have return it.
I suggest you also report this on your members app.

gonsa said:
Hi,
It's true, there are reports everywhere of this problem. Every media app will stutter the image for a milisecond (twitch, instagram, youtube, etc) and the sound gets out of sync. A reboot works only for a couple of hours. Changing the ram will not solve this.
There are a lot of reports of this issue on the members app and they are aware of it. They say a patch will come but a lot has passed and the phone is almost unsuable for me. If I could, I would have return it.
I suggest you also report this on your members app.
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Damn, I went through a billion reviews before getting this thing, none of them mentioned this. It's been almost a month since I got the phone so I probably can't return it. And even if I could, I really don't have the time to switch phones, with banking apps and backups and crap it takes too much time for me to just constantly jump between ROMs or phones. Was the S21 this bad as well? How is everyone even recommending Samsung phones to people?

There was an update relased today. I installed it and checked the performace right away.
It's still there! every video starts with a micro stutter. What the hell Samsung...

gonsa said:
There was an update relased today. I installed it and checked the performace right away.
It's still there! every video starts with a micro stutter. What the hell Samsung...
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I just got the update as well. I'll try to install it but from your comments doesn't seem hopeful to actually help the issue. Still nice that they're this fast with updates though.
Side question, does video quality suck for you guys? Especially with the ultrawide, I get 2013-quality videos with a ton of artifacts, and its not even 60fps? (shows up at 41fps on file details).

Galaxy S22 has audio-video sync issues that need to be fixed
Samsung's latest Galaxy S22 flagship series is pretty darn good, but it is not perfect. Some lingering performance and stability ...
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Being fan and satisfied with Xiaomi for 6 years, I returned to Samsung (S22, exynos) 2 weeks ago to realize the biggest mistake I did! It charges slow, battery drain fast, multitasking gets slow, camera is disappointing at night and sticky in fast hand motions. Generally you can't count on it!
900€ trash 🫣. I can't even sell it .
Never, NEVER again Samsung.

Agree with everything that's been said here. I returned the s22 exynos and got my money back. I'm back to the s10e snapdragon version that works flawlessly with no lag, stable 60fps at games. The s22 is just a beautiful device but it doesn't work well at all, games suck hard playing on it at like 35-40 fps with lots of frame drops, and I dont think the updates are going to make any miracles with all this experimental hardware. A lot of stupid marketing on useless 4nanometres cpu that overheats and suffers from throttling. Are you kidding me?
I'm very happy with this s10e hongkong version, 3 years, updated to 4.0 and soon 4.1. After trying the s22 I found out that's not for what l had Samsung in mind due to my previous good user experience.
By the way: I debloated it as I know what to delete and what to keep not to lose any functionality. Battery wasn't as bad as other users, I was getting about 5-6h sot in 12-15h usage, but the phone lags bad in games and some menus. It has unforgivable issues as the desynchronized sound/video in youtube n other stuff for such a high price. Samsung ain't getting my money this time. Let's wait for pixel7- s22 Fe - Nothing Phone (1)
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ps: I believe it's a bad year regarding CPU. The 888 and 8gen1 are known for heating and eating more battery. So far the s21 series are better than the current s22, the pixel 6 series got some issues as well and yet another experimental CPU. One of the best choices is still the oneplus 8T? Come on. Wake up android market, some oldschool users are migrating to apple, which isn't on my plans personally.

Not that it's gonna change anything, but here's an update: the lag's worse than ever, audio playback will cut out randomly, media playback on the notification panel barely works. I still can't believe nobody outside this thread is talking about how despicable this phone is.

After the latest avda update with tons of debloating, the phone is running almost like a midrange phone.
I will keep it due to the size factor and cameras. But this is really unacceptable for the money asked.

xjust said:
After the latest avda update with tons of debloating, the phone is running almost like a midrange phone.
I will keep it due to the size factor and cameras. But this is really unacceptable for the money asked.
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Same here. Way too late to return it, nor do I have the time to go through the whole find a phone set up a phone process anyway. I'm gonna try to keep it as pristine as possible until the S23 and/or the Pixel 7 is out and see if I can trade-in for a reasonable price.

for me, it might be the iphone 14 pro

I'm missing tons of notifications and alarms now. This phone just keeps getting worse.