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LG G4 or OnePlus 2 for the same price?

I have to buy myself a new phone in the next few days and i can't really choose between these 2. They are at the same price here in my country, cheaper than the S6, and both give me reasons why i like/don't like them. I'd buy the OP2 because of the pure android experience, i really like it, plus it has some useful tweaks, the fingerprint scanner, and the metal build. On the other hand, the G4 has that amazing camera, and the better screen. I don't really care about removable batery or the memory card, because if i'll buy the OP2 i'll buy the 64gb version, and if the battery lasts easily all day, no problem. I've read about the touchscreen and the led issues the G4 has, and those make me, somehow, stay away from the G4. Oh, and i won't get myself in that annoying invite system that OnePlus offers, there are some online shops that already have the phone.
What would you choose if you were in my place? I'm looking forward to your answers!

I personally LOVE my LG G4. I have had very little of the screen and lag issues that people were talking about (and after getting myself the 10c update I have literally no bugs at all).
I generally tell people it comes down to the users personal taste when making a decision like this, but anytime the G4 is an option I tend to lend my vote toward it. The camera, screen, sound, and the clean button setup (all being on the backside of the device) all make for a fantastic device and a wonderful user experience.
This is personally the first time in a long time I went with something that was not a Samsung as my main driver and I am SO GLAD that I did....especially now with Root Access and the ability to run Framework Modules this thing on a scale of 1 - 10 is pushing like a 12......seriously, I really do love it that much.
Good luck with your decision though and I am sure you will pick whatever device is right for you.....Just know that both are great devices so do not think I am hating on the OnePlus or anything.....no matter which way you go you are going to end up with a beautiful and power device that will be a pleasure to interact with.

Z3ldaFan88 said:
I personally LOVE my LG G4. I have had very little of the screen and lag issues that people were talking about (and after getting myself the 10c update I have literally no bugs at all).
I generally tell people it comes down to the users personal taste when making a decision like this, but anytime the G4 is an option I tend to lend my vote toward it. The camera, screen, sound, and the clean button setup (all being on the backside of the device) all make for a fantastic device and a wonderful user experience.
This is personally the first time in a long time I went with something that was not a Samsung as my main driver and I am SO GLAD that I did....especially now with Root Access and the ability to run Framework Modules this thing on a scale of 1 - 10 is pushing like a 12......seriously, I really do love it that much.
Good luck with your decision though and I am sure you will pick whatever device is right for you.....Just know that both are great devices so do not think I am hating on the OnePlus or anything.....no matter which way you go you are going to end up with a beautiful and power device that will be a pleasure to interact with.
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I think you've made my mind. The camera, the screen and the phone itself make me choose the G4. The only problems that have been in my mind for a while are the software (the lg ux), and the display problems that a lot of lg g4 owners have seen , but hopefully this isn't a hardware problem, so it can be fixed with a software update, and if some developers will build a pure android rom for the G4, then I'll be vary happy. Oh, and thanks for your reply!

I've only had my g4 now less than a week and I must say it's a great fone and LG ux is a lot better than touchwiz which I had On my note 2. I do still miss the stylus a bit but the camera and general feel of the fone far out way the lack of stylus. I played about with aosp roms on the note2 but always ended up on tw roms so I'm looking forward to seeing how stock based roms develop here.
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So, I have both phones. I couldn't decide because of the reasons you mentioned. In terms of premium the pot is way above g4. But g4 isn't bad either. I'm not so sure if I would say the g4 screen is "better". I am currently using the g4 but because a game I'm playing doesn't work well on the 2. Technically in terms of processing power they are similar. In high end stuff the 2 runs with only 2cores but the adreno430 vs 418 is ofc another story. About the camera, I can tell you it's pretty similar. I think the 2 got the right hardware, the rest is a software story. I would say the g4s cam is better but not ground breaking. But you can ask me anything. Both devices are bl unlocked and rooted. Just pm me

bvladut20 said:
I have to buy myself a new phone in the next few days and i can't really choose between these 2. They are at the same price here in my country, cheaper than the S6, and both give me reasons why i like/don't like them. I'd buy the OP2 because of the pure android experience, i really like it, plus it has some useful tweaks, the fingerprint scanner, and the metal build. On the other hand, the G4 has that amazing camera, and the better screen. I don't really care about removable batery or the memory card, because if i'll buy the OP2 i'll buy the 64gb version, and if the battery lasts easily all day, no problem. I've read about the touchscreen and the led issues the G4 has, and those make me, somehow, stay away from the G4. Oh, and i won't get myself in that annoying invite system that OnePlus offers, there are some online shops that already have the phone.
What would you choose if you were in my place? I'm looking forward to your answers!
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But they went with the SD810.
G-flex 2, 1080 p screen 3-4hSOT
M9, heating and then throttling
OP2 ? we don't know so wait for some good reviews to come out, ones that talk about real world battery life instead of useless loopback tests. No replaceable battery right. The last OPO is cheaper but there were screen tint issues with early batches. Sure, you want to be first in line for a OP2 ?
remember nexus will come out and for someone that wants pure ....given the rather lacklustre showing by flagships this year people are putting a lot of faith (too much) on the 5 inch nexus. They want an updated nexus 5 that came out in 2013. made by LG.
so get yourself some cheap phone until you are ready.

One Twelve said:
But they went with the SD810.
G-flex 2, 1080 p screen 3-4hSOT
M9, heating and then throttling
OP2 ? we don't know so wait for some good reviews to come out, ones that talk about real world battery life instead of useless loopback tests. No replaceable battery right. The last OPO is cheaper but there were screen tint issues with early batches. Sure, you want to be first in line for a OP2 ?
remember nexus will come out and for someone that wants pure ....given the rather lacklustre showing by flagships this year people are putting a lot of faith (too much) on the 5 inch nexus. They want an updated nexus 5 that came out in 2013. made by LG.
so get yourself some cheap phone until you are ready.
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I'm really curious about the new nexus 5, and it could be an option, but i have to buy it until school starts in september, after that i don't think i'll get another chance to buy an expensive phone. So, i'll probably go for the G4, has everything i want in a phone, exept for the aosp rom, but hopefully some developers will do it.

bvladut20 said:
I'm really curious about the new nexus 5, and it could be an option, but i have to buy it until school starts in september, after that i don't think i'll get another chance to buy an expensive phone.
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i don't understand why you can't wait. nexus should have everything you want. pure aosp to go
It does make me wonder why Google can't release the nexus in time for back to school.
So, i'll probably go for the G4, has everything i want in a phone, exept for the aosp rom, but hopefully some developers will do it.
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Hoping is a risk. How long will you wait.
AOSP means you will lose LG's camera interface as well as the image processing which plays a big part in how good the photos turn out. The G4 is one of very few android devices that has a laser auto focus and unique to the G4 the colour sensor. Where is the AOSP code to handle that. If it isn't in the AOSP rom then you will lose the functionality of fast auto focus as well as better white balance detection.
The G4 will be more premium than the nexus without a doubt but going pure has a price. If you get a carrier locked G4, you will have to wait for BL unlock and only then can AOSP roms be developed. Not happened yet but i expect BL unlock will happen in a month going by the G3.
Bottomline: if you want the G4 and its camera then you will have to settle for stock based roms.
Check out AOSP on the G3 to better understand what the tradeoffs are likely to be with the G4.

Disappointed by the LG Nexus 5X specs and price ... is the LG G4 still worth buying?

As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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This decision is really up to what features you find value in. I love my G4 and you would have to decide if you want a phone that has removable battery and expandable storage to say have fingerprint scanner and the latest OS. These phones are different in a lot of ways.
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I picked up the G4 the day it came out,so I've had a good few months with it. Definitely no regrets. Coming from Samsung, it's a much less intrusive version of Android..... Than say... Touchwizz. It could benefit from extra features for battery saving mode like on the Sony or SAMSUNG, but it easily lasts me a day.
One of the best cameras, used it on my recent trip Italy, if you are into photography... You can have a lot of fun.
With every phone you will find +/-, but sure you can probably get a good deal on aG4, making it a real phone to consider.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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I can answer one of those questions: the overlay is acceptable, because 99.5% of the time I don't see it because I use the camera/browser/gallery/app of choice, instead of playing with the settings. That might be different in your case, but since you asked I thought I'd answer.

Hell! I'd recommend the G4 over their 6P! For that European price, I'd 100% recommend the G4 over it!!! No doubt about it! You can get the G4 for 420 euros! The 6P will be 650 and I still think the G4 will compare just as well Or even better in the camera department and battery life. Nexus' aren't known for battery life. Neither is the LG, but hey! ...

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs.
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what about the P variant ?
was a bit disappointed with the 5X specs too. with only 2gb, what reason is there to upgrade from the nexus 5 ?
Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Not for you, for a lot of non-purists, yes.
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
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exactly. will not mix with 'Hello Kitty'
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
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there is the sense mod if you are rooted. but this available for any android.
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no where as fast as you would get on nexus. they come in time though.

I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
I find LG interface to be much more bearable than Samsung which to me personally is unusable. This is helped by the fact of on-screen buttons. But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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eksasol said:
I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
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Then you are not a typical nexus user. You are interested in nexus only because updates are regular and this keeps the value of your device up.
You really prefer to have the extra 'features' every non nexus device offers.
So is this the same as the OP or not.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
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some would say they have exceeded apple in terms of build and quality with their offerings this year.
But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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if you don't need the camera...

Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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neflictus said:
Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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86 in photo and 79 in video for both but one has 84 points and G4 83 points, anyways DxoMark just sucks, a french reviewer... never in low light

I'm disappointed in the 5x because of the faux look of dual front speakers when in reality one is just an earpiece speaker, nothing more and lack of qi charging, and same outdated storage options. Really don't care about the lack of RAM, not like I can tell a difference going from the G4 to nexus 5, though all of it is hard to justify at $380 when you pay $20 more and get 3gb of ram, a 5.7 inch 2k screen, and an SD slot by choosing a moto x pure edition. 5x specs would be fine with nexus 4 pricing tiers
To answer your question if you're a purist like me, LG UX will drive you bonkers. So much stuff they changed just to be different that doesn't really have a purpose. I like it overall OK but have already decided I'm going back to a nexus or a moto next year. Also the memory leak is in full effect on it as LG has written 5.1.1 off as "too minor to even bother with" which means it won't get fixed until you get marshmallow which probably won't be until 2016
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neflictus said:
Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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That was quick but the most interesting scores are the N6P is top for texture in stills beating the S6 & G4 and beating both again for Noise by 4 points.
I think the comparisons of N6P against S6/G4 are going to be interesting, hard as it might be to believe, expect the N6P shots to look slightly better in details than the S6/G4. How to counter that ? reduce to 12MP on both, now noise & details will look sharper and the difference will be hard to tell. Still, this is an achievement for the N6P. The 6S+ did not get there. The Z5 did.
In terms of video stabilisation its a good ten points behind the G4 so jerky video.
12MP and 1/2.3" rear camera.
The big catch is that there is no OIS in either N5X or N6P, pretty shocking considering N5 & N6 had it. Go to the trouble to make a good camera and then leave out OIS. Seriously WTH!!!! So like the Z5 except the Z5 will have more features ootb. You better have good handholds a la xperia or M9 to get clear low light shots with these nexii.
What will the camera interface be like, google camera has always been very limited. 3rd party cams will be essential. And then we will find out just how slow the shutter gets to.
They left out wireless charging on both ! ok, i get it that morotola is crap at wireless charging but LG already nailed it with the 5, two years ago.
Course for those who want sd & removable battery, software is not going to be able to fix

I've just returned my LG G4 to get the Nexus 5x.
I loved the G4's camera but the bloatware, bluetooth issues, buggy smart unlock, constant notifications of "NFC may drain battery" when using my car dock, the big when you put it on charge, the bing when it finishes charging, the bing when you turn it on, the bing when you turn it off.... it stopped being an enjoyable device to use and it was all because of what LG had done to Android.
So I'm going back to stock android. Originally I was going to wait for a G4 AOSP or Cyanogen rom but with the announcement of the fantastic Nexus 5x camera I decided to make the move while I still could..
The feature list is cut down compared to the G4 but it is stuff I am not so concerned with. I've not used expandable storage since moving to use Google music, Photo, Docs, Keep and Drive. I've never used wireless charging, and I don't game on my phones so I am not worried about the 1gb less of ram, especially when my Nexus 4 uses nearly 1GB of ram less than the LG G4 when idling.

I got the G4 after trying almost all other phones out there. I had Z3, HTC One M9, S6, Nexus 6, Iphone 6, and now G4 and the G4 blows them all away.
It is quicker than the others, has no memory or multitasking issues contrary to some minor views in this thread, the bluetooth, 4g and wifi work perfectly, smart lock works fine too, the camera beats all of the other phones I owned, and the battery life is equal to if not better than all at 5 Hours SOT at 60% screen brightness.
The new google launcher is AWFUL so wanting that is just nonesense, and the LG launcher has replaced Nova for me, because it's just as customisable.
Nexus fans won't want it though because they want Stock = Boring, and prefer the boring look to a decent camera and features. Anyone expecting the new Nexus devices to actually have decent real world camera is praying to the wrong gods.

I have no memory leak issues with my Verizon model, and love 95% of this phone.
Coming from a Nexus/Moto X background, I find LG's ui decent and mostly easy to use. There are 2 or 3 little annoyances in how settings are accessed, but Nova Launcher fixes most design issues - an icon pack and new screen layout, plus gestures to shortcut to the settings I use most.
I world consider rooting to clean up the other small issues, but I'm a regular Android Pay user do I'm holding off until that all shakes out.
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G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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Im a huge nexus fan ive owned all of them from the first HTC to the last motorola. I bought the g4 blindly to test the non nexus waters and this phone has blown me away especially after the updates and the camera is super amazing and no nexus can or will beat it. Dont get me wrong ill probably grab the new nexus 5 based on stock so i can have fun rooting and putting custom roms on it, but besides having cutting edge software it will be my secondary phone and ill stick with my g4 for everyday use. To be honest im a crack flasher and it feels good to not have that urge with my g4, i got root and thats all i needed to get rid of some things and add xposed to tweak it a bit. Very happy with my g4 and will likely get the g5 when it drops.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Hello, I bought the G4 for about a month and it has no problem till now. Everything is OK. The body design is a little bend and quite comfortable playing with the phone. But the price is a little bit expensive for me. I was impulsive to buy it. Fortunately it performs well overall.

ambervals6 said:
G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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no, because G4 and 5X share same hardware.

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Yes. In terms of hardware, it's about even up. And the G4 also offers a miniSD slot, exchangeable battery, and nice back covers. Only possible drawback might be the battery live, probably mostly thanks to the G4's insane resolution.
Is the LG overlay acceptable?
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I don't like the LG icons, but that can be easily changed by using a different launcher like Nova. Also, the colors for toast messages and quick settings are a bit bright (cyan). And the mobile data protocol (LTE, G3, ...) is displayed as own icon instead of small text in the reception bar icon. Most of the rest can easily be ignored or even be disabled in the settings.
But a lot of this (and more) can be modified even without unlocking the bootloader. You can flash rooted ROMs via the cable firmware update screen, and then use FlashFire to flash other ZIP updates like Xposed or themed variants (warning: very slow...).
With the European H815 version, you can also unlock the bootloader, but you'll lose warranty, and it can't be unlocked. But it'll allow you to flash "more AOSP" ROMs. (Official CM12 is work in progress, but there's an inofficial port available.)
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Android M at least has been announced for the G4. I guess it's hard to tell even by LG's developers, as it depends on the changes made by Google.
But then, the changes made since Android 4.1 aren't that impressive anyway IMHO, and several recent updates had some teething troubles, so maybe it's not so bad to wait a bit longer...

Still worthing buy the Nexus 5x in 2017?

Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD

Don't do that I have lots of problems with this device (if you want to use it for modding or just unlocking bootloader) Click

DaRk-L0rD said:
Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD
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Don't do that I have lots of problems with this device (if you want to use it for modding or just unlocking bootloader) Click
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that's kinda single case. in general the N5X works very good, is easy to handle/to mod and its greatly supported by developers and Google.
also, the Nexus is always first in getting Android updates alongside with Pixel. so yeah, imo its still worth it to buy.

ulxerker said:
that's kinda single case. in general the N5X works very good, is easy to handle/to mod and its greatly supported by developers and Google.
also, the Nexus is always first in getting Android updates alongside with Pixel. so yeah, imo its still worth it to buy.
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Yes, I agree, it worked very well before the problem.

Here you have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izdD7l3BWY

Satisfied, and it is still a decent device. But if you are a heavy user with so many apps and multitasking requirements, I'd advise against it as a daily driver.

Yes. After more than a month of use, updated to 7.1.1 and jan security update, so far no problem. This one is my daily driver.

For the "right" price of course. You should try and negotiate.

I can buy three Pixels with my budget, but Im not considering changing my 5x as a daily driver yet. Using it since jan 2016, not a single issue except for the back cover getting dirty easily. Light, not too big not too small, not expensive, powerful enough for almost any task, great display, decent stereo speakers with mod, accurate GPS, good battery life with 7.1.1, always up to date, durable and impressive cameras.
Theres no better smartphone on the market IMO, of course depending on your wishes, you wont need anything other that N5X cannot offer.

It depends on who you are. A heavy user playing games, having a tens of apps opened or rather a decent one with social/media focus? This being a good device for sorta a middle demanding user. It's still got very good camera, vanilla Android, regular updates, good dimensions etc... Speaking for myself, I've always been happy with it. It just fits my needs

It depends!
i have this device from 1 month! it not so much time .. but enought for test it in deep.
the value depends on how much money you will spend!
because the 5x have some deficiencies compare with over middle range! display - battery - audio-ram is under the average!
although the cpu is a very good compromise: good performance and very low heat! and the camera is very very good too!
take your sum but i suggest to look something else and more future-proof ( mininum 3 gb of ram )
ps. I bought it because a friend of mine gave it to me for 100 euro 32 gb hehehehe and it have just 5 months. DD

It is a good phone unless you have unreasonable expectations. Works good for me

DaRk-L0rD said:
Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD
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Despite of the bootloop issue happening globally, I strongly suggest avoid buying it or any google device like 6P and other LG Devices for your own good

I just got mine early this month, I bought it coz I know it would still get the next Android version after Nougat. This thing takes great photos, arguably comparable or better than what the current flagships has to offer. And feels just as snappy. I would recommend it.
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JovieBrett said:
Despite of the bootloop issue happening globally, I strongly suggest avoid buying it or any google device like 6P and other LG Devices for your own good
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For some reason, I don't get no bootloops at all. I have stock everything.

arvinsheet said:
I just got mine early this month, I bought it coz I know it would still get the next Android version after Nougat. This thing takes great photos, arguably comparable or better than what the current flagships has to offer. And feels just as snappy. I would recommend it.
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For some reason, I don't get no bootloops at all. I have stock everything.
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Of course not all of us would experience that right away, LG itself claimed the hardware problem presented on Nexus 5X devices which causes the device to loop endlessly, telling to refund them as they're no longer have the parts to repair it.
I have my 5X, I bought it 2016, January and I wasn't aware of the hardware problem happening on 5X due to the bad soldering on the motherboard which the flash memory and Snapdragon chip residing on, few days ago I didn't knew that was the end making my $400 phone a paperweight, the worse thing is warranty has already expired plus I'm living outside the US and Europe so Google and LG's support are unavailable and are out of reach, so what now? Google left me out of the blue for nothing on this crap phone. I'm a huge fan of their nexus devices and 5X was my first ever phone I bought and same reason as yours why I bought it, very disappointed so never again to them and LG.
It's not bad for me to say him avoid buying it because I'm just concerned about it, rather than blame everything at the end of the day when it happens...

My opinion: just buy it If you like the stock android with quick updates, and modding/custom rom
If so, it's excellent, great screen, great camera, a lot of community roms/mods so you cant get bored...
But If you are not going to enjoy that you better go to other option

JovieBrett said:
Of course not all of us would experience that right away, LG itself claimed the hardware problem presented on Nexus 5X devices which causes the device to loop endlessly, telling to refund them as they're no longer have the parts to repair it.
I have my 5X, I bought it 2016, January and I wasn't aware of the hardware problem happening on 5X due to the bad soldering on the motherboard which the flash memory and Snapdragon chip residing on, few days ago I didn't knew that was the end making my $400 phone a paperweight, the worse thing is warranty has already expired plus I'm living outside the US and Europe so Google and LG's support are unavailable and are out of reach, so what now? Google left me out of the blue for nothing on this crap phone. I'm a huge fan of their nexus devices and 5X was my first ever phone I bought and same reason as yours why I bought it, very disappointed so never again to them and LG.
It's not bad for me to say him avoid buying it because I'm just concerned about it, rather than blame everything at the end of the day when it happens...
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They said the boot loops occurred after the Nougat update. I got the phone under marshmallow and updated it with no issues so far. Not sure if the boot loops occurs on all models though as there's a couple of them. I got the H791 (UK.EU version). Crossing my fingers.

Well, I got it for £200 and it is way worth the money. I think it's okay as a daily driver, but if you had the money - get the Pixel. It's just.. better. If the Pixel is a bit too much maybe get the Nexus 6P. It's an upgrade from this although personally I find 5.2" to be a perfect phone size, and alas the Pixel only comes in 5" and 5.5".
I'm using this as a daily driver with the following, it is still fast and amazing:
Pixel ROM (6.1)
F2FS Data & Cache Partitions
Adaway
Franco Kernel (r32)
SuperSU (SR3)
Naptime (Disable Motion, Instant Doze, and Exclude Fit)
L Speed (LNET Tweaked for Mobile Data, Disabled Debugging, and KSM Enable)
FKUpdator for HawkTail1.2 Governer
Thermal Throttling changed to 46 Degrees Celcius
XThermal Mod (for Charging)
Substratum for "Swift Dark Theme (7.1.1)"
TWRP Classic 3.0.2-2
UX Sound Mod (Final + HiFi)

My short answer No, do not buy. I was debating the Moto G4 Plus versus Nexus 5x last November and purchased the Nexus. It is impossible to say whether I would have liked the Moto better or not but I would research alternative phones before purchasing.
My longer answer is that the Nexus 5x works fairly well but often feels laggy, especially if you have too many chrome browser tabs open. Task switching often feels like my old memory constrained Windows 7 desktop computer. This is without playing any games or loading the Facebook app. These statements are made while running totally stock with the 7.0 OS release without any skins or launchers or widgets loaded. Also I might be primarily commenting on software issues with the Chrome Browser rather than the device itself but when on slow Wi-Fi or 3G connections I sometimes experienced greater than one second User Interface glitches when switching between apps or even getting the on screen keyboard to load in order to type. This all happened while on a long vacation/travel where internet access was often bandwidth constrained. Still I found the user experience to be poor even under good network conditions. I kept a few communications/text-chat apps loaded along with the browser and email and occasionally used some banking or calculator or news apps, enough that memory had to be reclaimed which appeared to be the biggest source of the UI pauses.
To add a little more context I purchased the 5x to replace my Asus Zenfone 2 after its wifi interface had died. The Zenfone 2 had 4 GB of memory and always task switched with ease and never felt laggy (though it was not a speed demon) even though it had a heavier skin. My old Nexus 4 was very SRAM constrained which eventually caused me to upgrade but it never felt as unresponsive as the newer 5x.

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They said the boot loops occurred after the Nougat update. I got the phone under marshmallow and updated it with no issues so far. Not sure if the boot loops occurs on all models though as there's a couple of them. I got the H791 (UK.EU version). Crossing my fingers.
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Then that's great for you your phone is running good 'til now. It just happened nougat is currently rolling out the time more and more users are getting affected because the older the phone, the more it's getting to an end, that's why lots of users feels like nougat is the problem when hardware is the fault itself, google and LG already declared their statement about it.

Nexus 5x replacement

Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!

StakMak99 said:
I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!
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OnePlus 3T is too much of a f'ing brick. Way too large for a phone.
I would probably go for the OnePlus X but it's not sold anywhere.
I would go for the Xperia X Compact (23MP camera! and nice size!) but no official Lineago OS support, so sadly a no.
I should clarify that I also require LTE bands 4, 12 (T-Mobile) and maybe even 17 (at&t) ...

You know after looking around the choices if you want good support by aftermarket ROMs and Lineage is either something like the OnePlus or the Honor 5X. (The 6X and the 8 still have some issues in development of custom roms, but the 8 is further along than the 6X). Or spend big bucks and get one of the mainstream Samsung S# devices...
I just bought one of the Honor 5Xs for my wife actually and just went through unlocking the bootloader, and installing Lineage. I must say Im impressed with, for $150 phone its not that far from or Nexus 5X. When I get back home (traveling for work right now) I want to load some games to it and see how it does. For basic tasks it seems great. Battery life has been great for her so far, and build quality is good. Most of important, official Lineage support. So while the specs being a little behind the our 5X had me a little worried, once I had in my hands I was pleasantly surprised. For the price, no complaints.

I feel ya, same here as far as the T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. How about swappa.com on finding a OnePlus X

andTab said:
Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
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Yeah, and no Samsung or Iphone, no Huawei, Xi or ZTE either i'd imagine as they have all had problems worse or similar.
There will be problems with phones as long as new tech is pushed out faster than the tech is ready. I'd go with a Pixel phone which is in essence a HTC device which you apparently don't like.
So, Nokia 3310? It won't fail you.

Honor 8?

Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.

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Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.

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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.
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Nope. I know all about the boot loops. No issues whatsoever with my 5x. Best value in a phone ever for me @ $249. And from what I've read those that bought from Google store, as I did, aren't getting ditched to LG for support. Also seen plenty of happy Pixel users too. If I still wanted to root/ROM there would be more options fore sure but I don't and I no longer can stand any other phones with their F-ed up UI, bloat and never having updates. As a Fi user I also couldn't be happier never ever having to deal with a major carrier again. Yeah, sure, I'm pissed at Google for abandoning the idea of disruptively affordable devices in the US but I'd still rather deal with them than a carrier, OEM or other reseller. Not fooled even once.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.

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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Not sure on why you are so hell bent on thinking I'm delusional. I'm speaking only of my actual experience not others. Dollar for dollar the 5X is the best I've had. I'm very aware of the boot loop issue and acknowledge it's real. I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing defect in all 5X phones ever made though. If you have some proof of that I really would be interested in it. Really, I would. Not because I dispute what you say but because I just havn't seen any proof that it's every phone.
Truth is even if I do get the loop I only spent $250 for the thing. I've easily got my money's worth out of it when compared to >$800 other options. Phones are tools not jewels. The cheaper the better. If there's another phone you know of that's not bloated, doesn't have a modded UI, get's security updates every month and get's new Android versions promptly then I'm all ears. Seriously.

If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
That is what I bought my wife and its pretty reliable for her (and easy to fix, as usual she hulk smashed the screen after about 3 months and I fixed it no problem)
BUT I am also very interested to see what HMD/Nokia do with their new phones. I have always been a Nokia fan. So it would be nice to get quality hardware with a widely supported OS (my brain thinks back to my old 8800 with Symbian S40)

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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Who gave the info that 100% of 5X is defected?
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Pixel is the ONLY replacement for me. But:
1) Is expensive (for a 24 months update device) and we don't know whether is gonna bootloop or not.
2) Still has the same random ****ty compass decalibration that I had with my previous Nexus and only haven't had with my current work's iPhone 5S (that works amazing in any historic centre in places with tiny labyrinth streets like Barcelona). This is the worst part of the Nexus and Pixels. And still using Google Maps. I think Compass issues are one of the Top 3 complains in the Google product forums. And they still haven't fixed it in the hardware or firmware of their products..
3) still lacking the old N5 OIS. But this is compensated with the great HDR+ that only the Nexus / Pixel have. IMO.
4) And the Pixel is still big compared to the iPhones or the old Moto X or Galaxy Nexus.
Vs iPhones this is compensated with the non-physical/virtual buttons that make the phones​ easier to be used​ with one hand all the time.
(In fact I find and iPhone 7 with that terrible home button...and some back buttons..and that landscape multitasking....as difficult as a phablet, but still is a perfect size and nice shape to use with one hand)
Now Vs the old Gnexus or Moto X...is still more difficult. I'm one handing a 6P half of my time though... But I still miss the X or Gnexus shape/size.
On the contrary I used a Z5 Compact, smaller phone, and is not more comfortable than a Nexus 5...because of the terrible rectangular shape and is slippery material. So the size of the phone is not what only matters. Material and ergonomic shape is important as well.
Extra: there is still no stock, only released in 5 countries, and I'm not that hyped after so many months since release date. Specially now that I'm got a 6P with a new battery (original Huawei was terrible messed). But still is a huge phone compared to the Pixel.
And my priority:
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
BTW: I've just bought another 5X from Amazon (used) for my GF, at less than 220€. If the Manufactured date is OCT2015 I'll instant return it. Otherwise, I'll intensively try it for 30 days, if it doesn't boot loop I'll take my chances.
For the same price I was considering a Moto G5 with 3GB of RAM (this is the best part of this device) but 16GB Internal and I don't really like the camera, at least in low light, plus the SoC is old and both phones will update to Android O.
Sent from my Nexus 6P

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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
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Most of sites giving Pixel critical reviews are just whining that Google is now charging the prices like Apple, Samsung, or LG. Otherwise, its hardware remains top notch, and the software will be always ahead of competition in terms of security updates and major releases. Some people can make the case that the Samsung Galaxy S8 is now the best Android smartphone. But I suspect that people who are used to stock and lean Android ROMs and speedy software updates would disagree with that.
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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
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I think someone from Google or LG said that only 15% or so of those devices were affected with the bootloop problem.
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.

el_mariachi_4 said:
If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
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Moto X Pure is a good value, but I think the new Moto G5 Plus (4G RAM version) has surpassed it. The problem with Moto X Pure is that Nougat is the last Android update it will ever receive (while Moto G5 Plus was launched with Nougat) and there is no fingerprint sensor. Otherwise, the big and accurate screen as well as stereo speakers still make MXP a compelling phone for a whole lot of people.

Akopps said:
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.
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Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

andTab said:
Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12
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Seems that there is no such thing...

shut_down said:
Seems that there is no such thing...
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Lenovo Zuk Z2? It's on sale all the time as well and can be had for as low as 170 USD.
http://gsmarena.com/lenovo_zuk_z2-8125.php
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switch to Z2 Play, any good?

Hi all,
i'm contemplating a change of phones. From LG G4 to Motorola Moto Z2 Play because i could get a pretty nice deal on it. I would like to ask the community here for their opinions. I already saw that is has an overall good rating. Questions are, is there anything i should be aware of if i switch? How's the ROM, bloatware wise? Heat issues, battery issues, GPS issues, known problems and so on. LG G4 has a lot of them and im kinda tired of them, although i love the camera and the GPS precision. Any input is welcomed
Thanks!

The ROM is virtually stock Android. There is no bloatware. Just a couple Moto apps that I think are quite useful.
I ahev experienced no heat issues. My previous DD was a Moto X Pure and that joker got hot.
The battery is awesome. I've not ever experienced this kind of life.
I have not had any GPS or other issues.
Some say the camera is not wonderful, but it functions well enough for me. Afterall, I'm more interested in the radio, since it is a phone with a camera, as opposed to a camera with a phone.
Below is my review, stacking it against the Moto X4. I've had it 5 months now and still feel the same. I love it.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75005756&postcount=5

I just downgraded (so to speak) from the S8 to the Z2 Play. No regret whatsoever. The only thing I have to get used to is the lower resolution. Other than that, it's a solid mid-range phone (physically as opposed to glass, and as a device) that feels like a flagship (bar the aforementioned screen resolution).
If you like stock Android I doubt you'll regret it.

Prosis said:
I just downgraded (so to speak) from the S8 to the Z Play. No regret whatsoever. The only thing I have to get used to is the lower resolution. Other than that, it's a solid mid-range phone (physically as opposed to glass, and as a device) that feels like a flagship (bar the aforementioned screen resolution).
If you like stock Android I doubt you'll regret it.
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This thread is for the Z2 Play

Yeah that's what I meant sorry. I have the Z2 Play.

thanks for your replies!

I had a handful of g4s. They all went bad and a 5x too. Camera on the g4 was stunning. Low light with the ois was amazing. The hardware was otherwise garbage but looked gorgeous. The LG software was fabulous if you use it in a work environment where you need solid MS exchange services. Asop exchange sucks. Motorola also has solid exchange support. I'm going to say Motorola builds the most durable hardware of any smartphone except the really old blackberries. Moto has been my choice for years. The problem with Moto had always been the cameras. They were horrible. I had the z play and it was barely adequate. Every Moto phone before that was bad too but everything else was so solid that I was willing to look past it.
The Z2 play has a decent camera and you likely will be happy with it. The sd626 is fast for a low power processor. On par with the 808. I would look for an unlockable bl version vs the Verizon one. Custom covers and Moto mods give a bit of the g4 style. Battery life will be similar to the g4. USB c support means super fast charging and you can plug flash drives in, with an adapter. You can merge the internal storage with an SD card for one huge partition as well. The finger print sensor can double as nav keys for more screen space.

I've owned also a G4 long time ago. I will say battery it's way better on the Z2P and the stock Android experience you don't experience any lag. You will ensure many updates on time.
Now regarding back camera, Z2P it's above average but not comparable with G4 which has very good performance. For front camera Z2P it's better.
Fingerprint works great.

Unfortunately i probably wont get the z2 play anymore. Turns out im not eligible for the promotion due to the fact that im not employed for at least 6months at my current employer. Now i hope this promotion will last for another 2-3 months. By then nokia 7 plus will be out and i cant decide between this 2...

magiQx said:
Unfortunately i probably wont get the z2 play anymore. Turns out im not eligible for the promotion due to the fact that im not employed for at least 6months at my current employer. Now i hope this promotion will last for another 2-3 months. By then nokia 7 plus will be out and i cant decide between this 2...
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That's a shame!
I came here to add another point. If you're someone who enjoys running the latest software then don't go with Motorola. Oreo came out 6 months ago and it's not even on the horizon right now. Motorola's gone down Samsung level of suck with updates but Samsung at least has the excuse of having a complex version. I don't know what Lenovo's doing honestly. That would be my main gripe.

Prosis said:
That's a shame!
I came here to add another point. If you're someone who enjoys running the latest software then don't go with Motorola. Oreo came out 6 months ago and it's not even on the horizon right now. Motorola's gone down Samsung level of suck with updates but Samsung at least has the excuse of having a complex version. I don't know what Lenovo's doing honestly. That would be my main gripe.
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That was one reason why i wanted this phone. Near stock OS and i thought they are better with delivering updates. Guess Nokia would be a better compromise then?

magiQx said:
That was one reason why i wanted this phone. Near stock OS and i thought they are better with delivering updates. Guess Nokia would be a better compromise then?
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From what I can tell it's not really a compromise. They seem to be pretty solid devices. If Nokia sold them in my country I'd get one of them. Stock Android, good updates and a great camera. Motorola has good competition there.
Since Lenovo bought Motorola they've been bad at updates. When Moto was owned by Google up until late 2015 they were way better. They have near stock Android, it shouldn't be that long.

Prosis said:
From what I can tell it's not really a compromise. They seem to be pretty solid devices. If Nokia sold them in my country I'd get one of them. Stock Android, good updates and a great camera. Motorola has good competition there.
Since Lenovo bought Motorola they've been bad at updates. When Moto was owned by Google up until late 2015 they were way better. They have near stock Android, it shouldn't be that long.
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guess ill have to wait and see, since i have to forcefully wait another 3 months... Then I'll check the market again.