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LG G4 or OnePlus 2 for the same price?

I have to buy myself a new phone in the next few days and i can't really choose between these 2. They are at the same price here in my country, cheaper than the S6, and both give me reasons why i like/don't like them. I'd buy the OP2 because of the pure android experience, i really like it, plus it has some useful tweaks, the fingerprint scanner, and the metal build. On the other hand, the G4 has that amazing camera, and the better screen. I don't really care about removable batery or the memory card, because if i'll buy the OP2 i'll buy the 64gb version, and if the battery lasts easily all day, no problem. I've read about the touchscreen and the led issues the G4 has, and those make me, somehow, stay away from the G4. Oh, and i won't get myself in that annoying invite system that OnePlus offers, there are some online shops that already have the phone.
What would you choose if you were in my place? I'm looking forward to your answers!

I personally LOVE my LG G4. I have had very little of the screen and lag issues that people were talking about (and after getting myself the 10c update I have literally no bugs at all).
I generally tell people it comes down to the users personal taste when making a decision like this, but anytime the G4 is an option I tend to lend my vote toward it. The camera, screen, sound, and the clean button setup (all being on the backside of the device) all make for a fantastic device and a wonderful user experience.
This is personally the first time in a long time I went with something that was not a Samsung as my main driver and I am SO GLAD that I did....especially now with Root Access and the ability to run Framework Modules this thing on a scale of 1 - 10 is pushing like a 12......seriously, I really do love it that much.
Good luck with your decision though and I am sure you will pick whatever device is right for you.....Just know that both are great devices so do not think I am hating on the OnePlus or anything.....no matter which way you go you are going to end up with a beautiful and power device that will be a pleasure to interact with.

Z3ldaFan88 said:
I personally LOVE my LG G4. I have had very little of the screen and lag issues that people were talking about (and after getting myself the 10c update I have literally no bugs at all).
I generally tell people it comes down to the users personal taste when making a decision like this, but anytime the G4 is an option I tend to lend my vote toward it. The camera, screen, sound, and the clean button setup (all being on the backside of the device) all make for a fantastic device and a wonderful user experience.
This is personally the first time in a long time I went with something that was not a Samsung as my main driver and I am SO GLAD that I did....especially now with Root Access and the ability to run Framework Modules this thing on a scale of 1 - 10 is pushing like a 12......seriously, I really do love it that much.
Good luck with your decision though and I am sure you will pick whatever device is right for you.....Just know that both are great devices so do not think I am hating on the OnePlus or anything.....no matter which way you go you are going to end up with a beautiful and power device that will be a pleasure to interact with.
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I think you've made my mind. The camera, the screen and the phone itself make me choose the G4. The only problems that have been in my mind for a while are the software (the lg ux), and the display problems that a lot of lg g4 owners have seen , but hopefully this isn't a hardware problem, so it can be fixed with a software update, and if some developers will build a pure android rom for the G4, then I'll be vary happy. Oh, and thanks for your reply!

I've only had my g4 now less than a week and I must say it's a great fone and LG ux is a lot better than touchwiz which I had On my note 2. I do still miss the stylus a bit but the camera and general feel of the fone far out way the lack of stylus. I played about with aosp roms on the note2 but always ended up on tw roms so I'm looking forward to seeing how stock based roms develop here.
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So, I have both phones. I couldn't decide because of the reasons you mentioned. In terms of premium the pot is way above g4. But g4 isn't bad either. I'm not so sure if I would say the g4 screen is "better". I am currently using the g4 but because a game I'm playing doesn't work well on the 2. Technically in terms of processing power they are similar. In high end stuff the 2 runs with only 2cores but the adreno430 vs 418 is ofc another story. About the camera, I can tell you it's pretty similar. I think the 2 got the right hardware, the rest is a software story. I would say the g4s cam is better but not ground breaking. But you can ask me anything. Both devices are bl unlocked and rooted. Just pm me

bvladut20 said:
I have to buy myself a new phone in the next few days and i can't really choose between these 2. They are at the same price here in my country, cheaper than the S6, and both give me reasons why i like/don't like them. I'd buy the OP2 because of the pure android experience, i really like it, plus it has some useful tweaks, the fingerprint scanner, and the metal build. On the other hand, the G4 has that amazing camera, and the better screen. I don't really care about removable batery or the memory card, because if i'll buy the OP2 i'll buy the 64gb version, and if the battery lasts easily all day, no problem. I've read about the touchscreen and the led issues the G4 has, and those make me, somehow, stay away from the G4. Oh, and i won't get myself in that annoying invite system that OnePlus offers, there are some online shops that already have the phone.
What would you choose if you were in my place? I'm looking forward to your answers!
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But they went with the SD810.
G-flex 2, 1080 p screen 3-4hSOT
M9, heating and then throttling
OP2 ? we don't know so wait for some good reviews to come out, ones that talk about real world battery life instead of useless loopback tests. No replaceable battery right. The last OPO is cheaper but there were screen tint issues with early batches. Sure, you want to be first in line for a OP2 ?
remember nexus will come out and for someone that wants pure ....given the rather lacklustre showing by flagships this year people are putting a lot of faith (too much) on the 5 inch nexus. They want an updated nexus 5 that came out in 2013. made by LG.
so get yourself some cheap phone until you are ready.

One Twelve said:
But they went with the SD810.
G-flex 2, 1080 p screen 3-4hSOT
M9, heating and then throttling
OP2 ? we don't know so wait for some good reviews to come out, ones that talk about real world battery life instead of useless loopback tests. No replaceable battery right. The last OPO is cheaper but there were screen tint issues with early batches. Sure, you want to be first in line for a OP2 ?
remember nexus will come out and for someone that wants pure ....given the rather lacklustre showing by flagships this year people are putting a lot of faith (too much) on the 5 inch nexus. They want an updated nexus 5 that came out in 2013. made by LG.
so get yourself some cheap phone until you are ready.
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I'm really curious about the new nexus 5, and it could be an option, but i have to buy it until school starts in september, after that i don't think i'll get another chance to buy an expensive phone. So, i'll probably go for the G4, has everything i want in a phone, exept for the aosp rom, but hopefully some developers will do it.

bvladut20 said:
I'm really curious about the new nexus 5, and it could be an option, but i have to buy it until school starts in september, after that i don't think i'll get another chance to buy an expensive phone.
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i don't understand why you can't wait. nexus should have everything you want. pure aosp to go
It does make me wonder why Google can't release the nexus in time for back to school.
So, i'll probably go for the G4, has everything i want in a phone, exept for the aosp rom, but hopefully some developers will do it.
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Hoping is a risk. How long will you wait.
AOSP means you will lose LG's camera interface as well as the image processing which plays a big part in how good the photos turn out. The G4 is one of very few android devices that has a laser auto focus and unique to the G4 the colour sensor. Where is the AOSP code to handle that. If it isn't in the AOSP rom then you will lose the functionality of fast auto focus as well as better white balance detection.
The G4 will be more premium than the nexus without a doubt but going pure has a price. If you get a carrier locked G4, you will have to wait for BL unlock and only then can AOSP roms be developed. Not happened yet but i expect BL unlock will happen in a month going by the G3.
Bottomline: if you want the G4 and its camera then you will have to settle for stock based roms.
Check out AOSP on the G3 to better understand what the tradeoffs are likely to be with the G4.

Thinking about buying the 5x

So I'm coming from a Sony Z3C and due to the lack of support (no Nougat for us) and development (no proper CM for us) I'm thinking moving to another device.
I'm taking into consideration Sony XZ/X as well as the S7, but none of them have development going on due to various reasons. So no development is not a solution for me.
Would you still recommend buying the 5X after mote than a year since the release? Do you enjoy yhe phone? Or do you have any recommendation? I don't have enough money for a Pixel, nor buy a phablet.
Thanks!

Nexus 5x devices have something like sudden death issue, motherboards die in a random moment. After replacing motherboard on warranty you will be no longer able to root your phone (or you will get your money refund)
So in that case, I wouldn't recommen this phone. This phone is great if it's working without any issues, but LG at the backs means that will not.

Do no buy nothing LG. Go for the Huawei 6p.

moonlightdrive said:
Do no buy nothing LG. Go for the Huawei 6p.
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6P is too big

I can recommend. I have this phone since june this year, and as far its the best phone i had. No lag, manual camera + raw, exelent photos, fast update, great developer support and that fingerprint reader wich i LOVE. Only i can complain about size (little bit too small for me) and battery wich is average. From 7AM to 8PM and have 15% left (~4 hours SOT). It's the best phone so far. I am also Sony fan (or i will say "was") mine last Sony device was Z2 (neo v, S, T, Z, Z1).
Also build quality is crap. My Nexus Inprint plastic is shiny now (was mate). Also plastic round the phone is shining (always in mercury case). I can send a photo how it looks.
Phone is really good AND ITS CHEAP.

Wouldn't recommend battery life is horrendously bad.

ErixGamer said:
Wouldn't recommend battery life is horrendously bad.
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Then what would you recommend?

doriandiaconu said:
Then what would you recommend?
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I would recommend an LG G4 or a Moto X pure, both are more or less the same price i believe, and they are much better than the 5x in terms of a more premium feel and better performance (3gb ram vs 2gb on the 5x :/ ) I have had mines about 5 months and it's not to bad, but it still bugs me till today that there were better devices i could have gotten, guess i should have done more research , btw the oneplus 2 is also a great device for around the same price and great support and performance.

niklus101 said:
I would recommend an LG G4 or a Moto X pure, both are more or less the same price i believe, and they are much better than the 5x in terms of a more premium feel and better performance (3gb ram vs 2gb on the 5x :/ ) I have had mines about 5 months and it's not to bad, but it still bugs me till today that there were better devices i could have gotten, guess i should have done more research , btw the oneplus 2 is also a great device for around the same price and great support and performance.
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I already said that I'm not intetested in bigger phones, that's why I got my eyes on the 5X but thanks

Don't ever buy a LG G4! It is the king of the bootloopers. All the 2015 LG flagship's have that issue G4, G FLex II, V10, V20, now G5 (2016) and well Nexus 5x too...
There is no solution for that failure. Motherboard replacement is not a deffinitive solution cause they never made a revisión or something to correct the mistake.
Have you seen the Xperia z5 compact? Very small size and powerfull. Thats the phone i want to get.

moonlightdrive said:
Don't ever buy a LG G4! It is the king of the bootloopers. All the 2015 LG flagship's have that issue G4, G FLex II, V10, V20, now G5 (2016) and well Nexus 5x too...
There is no solution for that failure. Motherboard replacement is not a deffinitive solution cause they never made a revisión or something to correct the mistake.
Have you seen the Xperia z5 compact? Very small size and powerfull. Thats the phone i want to get.
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Xperias have problems with development because of the DRM partition - meaning no AOSP/CM ROMs working properly as a daily driver (I got a Z3C so I know). The Z5C sounds cool, but it has the not so acclaimed Snapdragon 820 with overheating issued, and as a Sony user I can say that the camera is horrid. Good sensor, horrible code optimization. Last, but not least, it may not get further than N. My phone didn't get N due to whatever reason, despite not being even 2 yrs old. The new XC or XZ looks nice. But even rooting requires unlocked bootloader, which leads to loss of DRM keys, which means loss of camera functions (noise reduction, low light shots, making it even worse than it is) and warranty.
For the old Z series there was something called TA Backup which made it possible to copy and restore the keys. For the new ones this isn't possible.
So here I am. Not knowing what to buy again due to the 5X problems..

doriandiaconu said:
Xperias have problems with development because of the DRM partition - meaning no AOSP/CM ROMs working properly as a daily driver (I got a Z3C so I know). The Z5C sounds cool, but it has the not so acclaimed Snapdragon 820 with overheating issued, and as a Sony user I can say that the camera is horrid. Good sensor, horrible code optimization. Last, but not least, it may not get further than N. My phone didn't get N due to whatever reason, despite not being even 2 yrs old. The new XC or XZ looks nice. But even rooting requires unlocked bootloader, which leads to loss of DRM keys, which means loss of camera functions (noise reduction, low light shots, making it even worse than it is) and warranty.
For the old Z series there was something called TA Backup which made it possible to copy and restore the keys. For the new ones this isn't possible.
So here I am. Not knowing what to buy again due to the 5X problems..
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Good to know all that info, we are on the same boat... (i want to sell my less than a month Nexus 5x)
Thank you!

moonlightdrive said:
Good to know all that info, we are on the same boat... (i want to sell my less than a month Nexus 5x)
Thank you!
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I know, right? It's so hard to get a properly working phone. Not overpriced (Pixel), or bigger than 5.2" at most (means without OP, LG, HTC, Motorola) which has dev support (not like Sony or Samsung) and no hardware issues (see 5X). This basically puts me in a situation without a choice.

doriandiaconu said:
I know, right? It's so hard to get a properly working phone. Not overpriced (Pixel), or bigger than 5.2" at most (means without OP, LG, HTC, Motorola) which has dev support (not like Sony or Samsung) and no hardware issues (see 5X). This basically puts me in a situation without a choice.
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Exactly, i totally agree. Pixel is not a choice (is like an iPhone for me, you pay for how it looks) i just want something "small" 5.2" max not a phablet even the budget phones like moto g4 have 5.5 inch screen, really too big al least for me. I miss the nokia n73, moto razr v8, those were good little phones haha (i really like physical keyboards, but i know, that would be imposible in this times).

doriandiaconu said:
I know, right? It's so hard to get a properly working phone. Not overpriced (Pixel), or bigger than 5.2" at most (means without OP, LG, HTC, Motorola) which has dev support (not like Sony or Samsung) and no hardware issues (see 5X). This basically puts me in a situation without a choice.
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If you can get it cheap enough it's worth it even if it messes up. I had a nexus 6 and it was too large. Like you I don't like jumbo phones. The 5x is very light. Some may say it feels cheap but I like it BC it is sturdy and light. It certainly won't bend. Right now there are not many options. The camera aid good and it runs smooth despite 2GB of ram. There the bootloader issue but for cheap enough it's worth the risk to me. I love it as a daily and it fits much better in my suit pants than the other huge phones right now.

It is really sad that I got so few good reviews related to this phone. I guess I'll watch if the development of the new Xperias gets to the point where the DRM partition gets a possible backup and buy one of them....such a shame since Nexus was the most dev friendly.

Even subway surfers drops frames , probably cause of temp throttling (on stock), im really disappointed with this device and google... If i knew of bootloop problem and this temp throttle wouldn't buy it...no chance...
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I'm very confused... I cannot decide whether the Nexus 5X would be a good deal or not: someone claims about (serious!) problems, someone says it's very good... I was a very lucky Moto G 2014 owner, but unfortunately its life came to an end. I wanted a quite cheap phone (maximum 270€) with an active development that can let me hope I will receive latest android versions (cyanogenmod) in a couple of months and I tought about a Nexus 5X, but if it has so many problems, is it better to find an alternative?

CiccaGuru said:
I'm very confused... I cannot decide whether the Nexus 5X would be a good deal or not: someone claims about (serious!) problems, someone says it's very good... I was a very lucky Moto G 2014 owner, but unfortunately its life came to an end. I wanted a quite cheap phone (maximum 270€) with an active development that can let me hope I will receive latest android versions (cyanogenmod) in a couple of months and I tought about a Nexus 5X, but if it has so many problems, is it better to find an alternative?
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I've been facing the same problem for the past year or so, just because there haven't really been any devices that I could see as a replacement for my i9100. I finally made my decision though and I'm picking up a 5X tomorrow. If you want an affordable phone with a lot of custom ROMs and even long official support (especially rare with android), you don't have much of a choice. Of course there is the risk of that bootloop issue appearing, but that's what you have a warranty for. If the issue comes up a year later, you'll most likely get a refund and you've basically had a phone for a year for free. Plus I've also read speculations that Google tried to put the blame on LG, as pretty much every case of this bootloop issue happened after updating to Nougat. My guess is that there was an issue with thermal throttling not working right in the early Nougat builds for the 5X which made the phone more prone to failure. In that case I would say they've already fixed it but who knows..

DanielM998 said:
I finally made my decision though and I'm picking up a 5X tomorrow.
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Thanks Daniel, I was thinking to buy it at the end of the next week.. If yours arrives before that date, would you please be so kind and let me know how does it work?
And what about low RAM and poor audio quality? They were the main reason that stopped me from buying it till this afternoon, when I read this post. Are they really a problem?

Nexus 5x replacement

Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!

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I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!
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OnePlus 3T is too much of a f'ing brick. Way too large for a phone.
I would probably go for the OnePlus X but it's not sold anywhere.
I would go for the Xperia X Compact (23MP camera! and nice size!) but no official Lineago OS support, so sadly a no.
I should clarify that I also require LTE bands 4, 12 (T-Mobile) and maybe even 17 (at&t) ...

You know after looking around the choices if you want good support by aftermarket ROMs and Lineage is either something like the OnePlus or the Honor 5X. (The 6X and the 8 still have some issues in development of custom roms, but the 8 is further along than the 6X). Or spend big bucks and get one of the mainstream Samsung S# devices...
I just bought one of the Honor 5Xs for my wife actually and just went through unlocking the bootloader, and installing Lineage. I must say Im impressed with, for $150 phone its not that far from or Nexus 5X. When I get back home (traveling for work right now) I want to load some games to it and see how it does. For basic tasks it seems great. Battery life has been great for her so far, and build quality is good. Most of important, official Lineage support. So while the specs being a little behind the our 5X had me a little worried, once I had in my hands I was pleasantly surprised. For the price, no complaints.

I feel ya, same here as far as the T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. How about swappa.com on finding a OnePlus X

andTab said:
Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
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Yeah, and no Samsung or Iphone, no Huawei, Xi or ZTE either i'd imagine as they have all had problems worse or similar.
There will be problems with phones as long as new tech is pushed out faster than the tech is ready. I'd go with a Pixel phone which is in essence a HTC device which you apparently don't like.
So, Nokia 3310? It won't fail you.

Honor 8?

Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.

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Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.

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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.
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Nope. I know all about the boot loops. No issues whatsoever with my 5x. Best value in a phone ever for me @ $249. And from what I've read those that bought from Google store, as I did, aren't getting ditched to LG for support. Also seen plenty of happy Pixel users too. If I still wanted to root/ROM there would be more options fore sure but I don't and I no longer can stand any other phones with their F-ed up UI, bloat and never having updates. As a Fi user I also couldn't be happier never ever having to deal with a major carrier again. Yeah, sure, I'm pissed at Google for abandoning the idea of disruptively affordable devices in the US but I'd still rather deal with them than a carrier, OEM or other reseller. Not fooled even once.
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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.

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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Not sure on why you are so hell bent on thinking I'm delusional. I'm speaking only of my actual experience not others. Dollar for dollar the 5X is the best I've had. I'm very aware of the boot loop issue and acknowledge it's real. I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing defect in all 5X phones ever made though. If you have some proof of that I really would be interested in it. Really, I would. Not because I dispute what you say but because I just havn't seen any proof that it's every phone.
Truth is even if I do get the loop I only spent $250 for the thing. I've easily got my money's worth out of it when compared to >$800 other options. Phones are tools not jewels. The cheaper the better. If there's another phone you know of that's not bloated, doesn't have a modded UI, get's security updates every month and get's new Android versions promptly then I'm all ears. Seriously.

If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
That is what I bought my wife and its pretty reliable for her (and easy to fix, as usual she hulk smashed the screen after about 3 months and I fixed it no problem)
BUT I am also very interested to see what HMD/Nokia do with their new phones. I have always been a Nokia fan. So it would be nice to get quality hardware with a widely supported OS (my brain thinks back to my old 8800 with Symbian S40)

andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Who gave the info that 100% of 5X is defected?
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Pixel is the ONLY replacement for me. But:
1) Is expensive (for a 24 months update device) and we don't know whether is gonna bootloop or not.
2) Still has the same random ****ty compass decalibration that I had with my previous Nexus and only haven't had with my current work's iPhone 5S (that works amazing in any historic centre in places with tiny labyrinth streets like Barcelona). This is the worst part of the Nexus and Pixels. And still using Google Maps. I think Compass issues are one of the Top 3 complains in the Google product forums. And they still haven't fixed it in the hardware or firmware of their products..
3) still lacking the old N5 OIS. But this is compensated with the great HDR+ that only the Nexus / Pixel have. IMO.
4) And the Pixel is still big compared to the iPhones or the old Moto X or Galaxy Nexus.
Vs iPhones this is compensated with the non-physical/virtual buttons that make the phones​ easier to be used​ with one hand all the time.
(In fact I find and iPhone 7 with that terrible home button...and some back buttons..and that landscape multitasking....as difficult as a phablet, but still is a perfect size and nice shape to use with one hand)
Now Vs the old Gnexus or Moto X...is still more difficult. I'm one handing a 6P half of my time though... But I still miss the X or Gnexus shape/size.
On the contrary I used a Z5 Compact, smaller phone, and is not more comfortable than a Nexus 5...because of the terrible rectangular shape and is slippery material. So the size of the phone is not what only matters. Material and ergonomic shape is important as well.
Extra: there is still no stock, only released in 5 countries, and I'm not that hyped after so many months since release date. Specially now that I'm got a 6P with a new battery (original Huawei was terrible messed). But still is a huge phone compared to the Pixel.
And my priority:
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
BTW: I've just bought another 5X from Amazon (used) for my GF, at less than 220€. If the Manufactured date is OCT2015 I'll instant return it. Otherwise, I'll intensively try it for 30 days, if it doesn't boot loop I'll take my chances.
For the same price I was considering a Moto G5 with 3GB of RAM (this is the best part of this device) but 16GB Internal and I don't really like the camera, at least in low light, plus the SoC is old and both phones will update to Android O.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
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Most of sites giving Pixel critical reviews are just whining that Google is now charging the prices like Apple, Samsung, or LG. Otherwise, its hardware remains top notch, and the software will be always ahead of competition in terms of security updates and major releases. Some people can make the case that the Samsung Galaxy S8 is now the best Android smartphone. But I suspect that people who are used to stock and lean Android ROMs and speedy software updates would disagree with that.
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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
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I think someone from Google or LG said that only 15% or so of those devices were affected with the bootloop problem.
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.

el_mariachi_4 said:
If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
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Moto X Pure is a good value, but I think the new Moto G5 Plus (4G RAM version) has surpassed it. The problem with Moto X Pure is that Nougat is the last Android update it will ever receive (while Moto G5 Plus was launched with Nougat) and there is no fingerprint sensor. Otherwise, the big and accurate screen as well as stereo speakers still make MXP a compelling phone for a whole lot of people.

Akopps said:
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.
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Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

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Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12
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Seems that there is no such thing...

shut_down said:
Seems that there is no such thing...
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Lenovo Zuk Z2? It's on sale all the time as well and can be had for as low as 170 USD.
http://gsmarena.com/lenovo_zuk_z2-8125.php
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Still worth buying?

I'm currently using an HTC One M7. It's still a decent phone, there are even pretty stable Nougat Roms available for it. But it is noticeable struggling when it comes to more demanding tasks. No surprise really, since it's a more than 4 year old phone.
So would you guys say, that the 5X is still worth buying? How is its overall performance? Especially now with Android O?
Thanks in advance!

Haven't used Android O. I don't recommend the phone because there is always a chance of bootlooping. If you are willing to roll the dice then it is a very good phone after modding it. If you want to keep everything stock then it's probably better to get a newer phone with stock android.

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Haven't used Android O. I don't recommend the phone because there is always a chance of bootlooping. If you are willing to roll the dice then it is a very good phone after modding it. If you want to keep everything stock then it's probably better to get a newer phone with stock android.
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I read there was this bootloop issue, but didn't do much reading on it. Is it a hardware issue?
Flashing a custom Rom/rooting it would be the first thing I'd do with the phone.

Marc199 said:
I read there was this bootloop issue, but didn't do much reading on it. Is it a hardware issue?
Flashing a custom Rom/rooting it would be the first thing I'd do with the phone.
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Yeah it's a hardware issue- basically a low-quality soldering job from Qualcomm. Basically the big cluster of A57 cores eventually fail- though this can be rectified with a custom boot.img/kernel.
I recently purchased a Google-refurb 5X simply for O support (and it was extremely cheap), and it's a fantastic phone. However, as a long term device I can't recommend it.

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Yeah it's a hardware issue- basically a low-quality soldering job from Qualcomm. Basically the big cluster of A57 cores eventually fail- though this can be rectified with a custom boot.img/kernel.
I recently purchased a Google-refurb 5X simply for O support (and it was extremely cheap), and it's a fantastic phone. However, as a long term device I can't recommend it.
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Well, this is obviously not great. But if this is fixable, it might not be as bad.
Official O-support is one of the main reasons I am thinking about buying it. And since the 5X is also out for quite a while now it's not supposed to be a long term solution.

Marc199 said:
Well, this is obviously not great. But if this is fixable, it might not be as bad.
Official O-support is one of the main reasons I am thinking about buying it. And since the 5X is also out for quite a while now it's not supposed to be a long term solution.
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It's not within the ability of a normal person to fix (ie: reflow/repair the solder joints permanently); however, running the CPU with only the small cores (which is essentially the "fix" for the bootloop) should mitigate the problem beyond the practical lifespan of the device.
I'm perfectly happy with a bit of a performance hit- the camera, fingerprint scanner, speakers, dev support, and notification LED are all heckin amazing.

No, I would not recommend it, there are plenty of faster phones that you can get for around the same price. Plus the boot loop issue

I use N5X since 1y. For my low usage it's fine and stays cool, so I exspect still 2y without bootloop. But 2GB RAM will be or become a bottleneck. Remain the fast Andeoid updates - look here for devices, which got Oreo yet.

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I use N5X since 1y. For my low usage it's fine and stays cool, so I exspect still 2y without bootloop. But 2GB RAM will be or become a bottleneck. Remain the fast Andeoid updates - look here for devices, which got Oreo yet.
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Yeah, don't know what Google was thinking when they decided to only put 2 GB of Ram in it.
Well, seems like I shouldn't buy it. Guess I'll wait for the Pixel to become a bit cheaper.

I am quite happy with this phone, though due to 2 things (only 2GB of RAM and no SD card) I'll move to some of the Android One models as soon as they're available in Europe, most probably Xiaomi Mi A1 (as long as one can unlock bootloader and root it without issues). I want to stay with clean Android and guaranteed, early and periodic updates. Not too many choices out there, Pixel is too expensive for me.

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I am quite happy with this phone, though due to 2 things (only 2GB of RAM and no SD card) I'll move to some of the Android One models as soon as they're available in Europe, most probably Xiaomi Mi A1 (as long as one can unlock bootloader and root it without issues). I want to stay with clean Android and guaranteed, early and periodic updates. Not too many choices out there, Pixel is too expensive for me.
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I'd say exactly that. Been using The n5x for 1 year now but thre 2GB of RAM + the SD808 are just too old to compete with devices like the Mi A1. Surely the SD625 isnt a highend soc but it should perform better then the SD808 because of the 4GB of RAM. I personally will wait until End of the year and maybe buy the Mi Mix 2 if i get it for around 350€. We will see.

The 5X runs Oreo and is scheduled to receive monthly security updates for a year. This alone makes it still a relevant smartphone. One year from now you will certainly see much newer phones still without Oreo. The form, size, and fingerprint reader are near perfect for me. Its biggest limitation is having only 2GB of RAM which affects multitasking. This is most obvious when you use a web browser for a while and then switch back to other tasks because there is an obvious delay which means that the app is being reloaded.

It's like having a $200+ brick, mine bootlooped in the worst moment possible. Overall is a great phone if you are willing to live with the uncertainty of when its going to bootloop. Save your money and buy something better.

Bought mines mines in june 2016, using it till this date, no bootloop problem (as yet hopefully), totally worth the price imo just make sure you enable oem unlocking in the dev menu in case something happens.

I wouldn't recommend this phone, and overall any LG phone. I didn't get the bootloop issue yet but I read A LOT about it and it seems it will come for you one day for sure, usually after 1 year. The only other serious problem with this phone is the overheating, it overheats even if I don't do anything. Only after chatting with a friend for ~20 minutes on messenger with no other apps running, the phone gets hot. Games are even worse...
Next, the phone is fine with most games but don't expect to run all the AAA games on higher than Low (Modern Combat 5, Minecraft [barely], Mortal Kombat, Asphalts, Gangstar...). Android O is mostly fine, has some issues here and there but nothing too serious IMO.

Need to Replace a Pixel 2 XL

Ok my phone is on it way out, like straight up on the verge of likely dying any week now. First off I greatly dislike this phone, it it the single worst phone I have ever owned. I am not turning this into a Pixel 2 complaint session, just maybe some background so some of my reasons or questions make sense. Also I am hoping that the P2xl is just a bad phone and the 3 and the 4 are better, albeit greatly flawed in their own right..hence my dilemma.
I love the camera on this phone, probably the only good thing about it, definitely the best thing and it is so much better than any other manufacturers that its the sole reason Ive keep this phone for as long as I have. which is why I keep thinking about replacing with a pixel even though I fear I will again hate everything else about it. again sort of hoping the P2 is just a fluke and they arent all this bad.....
Problem is, with the 3s they have the ram issue correct? Is this something that has been addressed with ROMs? It sounds odd I know but there is something about googles base android on their phones that I dont like. A lot of options to change stuff that are missing that I think should be there, a lot of UI implementation things that dont make sense to me, that I feel like I should be able to change but cant. So I will be rooting and putting a custom ROM on one of these if I get it in the hopes that at least some of that is fixed or addressed.
the P4s have fixed the ram issue but they have tiny batteries...I cant deal with a phone with a small battery so the 4 is basically right out.
So I guess the basic question here is does running a custom ROM on the P3 fix the ram problem the phone has, do I keep the great camera AI with those custom ROMS and is the P3 an easy phone to root and ROM?
This sort of goes got both the XL and the smaller P3 because I would at least think they would be similar in these regards. and I may be leaning towards a smaller, lighter phone this time around.

What kind of phone do you want? Because I have quite a good experience with buying phones because I have a crap ton of them. Take a look:
Samsung Galaxy Y Young GT-S6102-First Phone
Samsung Galaxy S3 4G Korean
Huawei Honor 4C
Samsung Galaxy S6 edge
OPPO F1s
Huawei Ascend G6-L11 4G
iPhone 4S
iPhone 4
Samsung Galaxy A10 Dual Sim-Current Phone

loki993 said:
Ok my phone is on it way out, like straight up on the verge of likely dying any week now. First off I greatly dislike this phone, it it the single worst phone I have ever owned. I am not turning this into a Pixel 2 complaint session, just maybe some background so some of my reasons or questions make sense. Also I am hoping that the P2xl is just a bad phone and the 3 and the 4 are better, albeit greatly flawed in their own right..hence my dilemma.
I love the camera on this phone, probably the only good thing about it, definitely the best thing and it is so much better than any other manufacturers that its the sole reason Ive keep this phone for as long as I have. which is why I keep thinking about replacing with a pixel even though I fear I will again hate everything else about it. again sort of hoping the P2 is just a fluke and they arent all this bad.....
Problem is, with the 3s they have the ram issue correct? Is this something that has been addressed with ROMs? It sounds odd I know but there is something about googles base android on their phones that I dont like. A lot of options to change stuff that are missing that I think should be there, a lot of UI implementation things that dont make sense to me, that I feel like I should be able to change but cant. So I will be rooting and putting a custom ROM on one of these if I get it in the hopes that at least some of that is fixed or addressed.
the P4s have fixed the ram issue but they have tiny batteries...I cant deal with a phone with a small battery so the 4 is basically right out.
So I guess the basic question here is does running a custom ROM on the P3 fix the ram problem the phone has, do I keep the great camera AI with those custom ROMS and is the P3 an easy phone to root and ROM?
This sort of goes got both the XL and the smaller P3 because I would at least think they would be similar in these regards. and I may be leaning towards a smaller, lighter phone this time around.
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Hey, I would recommend going with one of the newer Samsung budget phones such as the A10, great phone, Android 10, rootable on XDA and most of all, supports Treble VNDK 29 and System-As-Root or A/B.

muhammad42620 said:
Hey, I would recommend going with one of the newer Samsung budget phones such as the A10, great phone, Android 10, rootable on XDA and most of all, supports Treble VNDK 29 and System-As-Root or A/B.
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The point wasnt looking for another phone it was trying to stay with the pixel but make the experience more to my liking and to smooth out some of the flaws the phone has.
Also the camera is obviously pretty important to me since I have kept a phone that I more or less hate for the better part of 2 years just because the camera is so good and so much better then the competition. I just dont see any way any budget phone offering will have even close to satisfactory camera performance for me. Most flagship phones dont, if one did I would have ditched this thing long ago. I have finally gotten to a point where I will give up a little bit of camera performance for a better user experience, because I just cant deal with it anymore, but I still need something thats relativity close.

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The point wasnt looking for another phone it was trying to stay with the pixel but make the experience more to my liking and to smooth out some of the flaws the phone has.
Also the camera is obviously pretty important to me since I have kept a phone that I more or less hate for the better part of 2 years just because the camera is so good and so much better then the competition. I just dont see any way any budget phone offering will have even close to satisfactory camera performance for me. Most flagship phones dont, if one did I would have ditched this thing long ago. I have finally gotten to a point where I will give up a little bit of camera performance for a better user experience, because I just cant deal with it anymore, but I still need something thats relativity close.
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You can install One UI 2 apps if you want to. I have all the apps that One UI 2 uses. I would gladly give them if you need 'em

loki993 said:
The point wasnt looking for another phone it was trying to stay with the pixel but make the experience more to my liking and to smooth out some of the flaws the phone has.
Also the camera is obviously pretty important to me since I have kept a phone that I more or less hate for the better part of 2 years just because the camera is so good and so much better then the competition. I just dont see any way any budget phone offering will have even close to satisfactory camera performance for me. Most flagship phones dont, if one did I would have ditched this thing long ago. I have finally gotten to a point where I will give up a little bit of camera performance for a better user experience, because I just cant deal with it anymore, but I still need something thats relativity close.
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Just wait until at least August 3rd mate, I know you said flagships do not stand up to your expectations and how would mid-range phones. Apparently the Pixel 4a will have 6GB of ram, Pixel quality camera and processor/battery combo which may be good. However, you may be think around 3000mAh may not be much and yeah it is not but for a low gpu chip(only matters for games) it may be enough. But but but...... if you can hold on a longer than that too then the rest of Google's 2020 lineup soon. Their batteries will likely be bigger and ram should be at least 6GB. If you really really, want one of the current Pixel's alright, I do not see a ram issue in present day on my Pixel 3 XL which also lasts me around 5hrs with 20%ish left. I do not know what your use case, but if you are concerned about ram get a Pixel 4 XL which does have a larger battery, yeah and more ram.
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Oh, a final mention: yes the Pixel line is simple to unlock the bootloader of. Though, if you wanna root or run a kernel all of that will have to be done on the computer starting with the Pixel 3s(for now). If you really want a smaller phone though word of advice, just wait at least until August 3rd, the device will have more ram than the Pixel 3 and more battery capacity than the Pixel 3 & Pixel 4.

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Just wait until at least August 3rd mate, I know you said flagships do not stand up to your expectations and how would mid-range phones. Apparently the Pixel 4a will have 6GB of ram, Pixel quality camera and processor/battery combo which may be good. However, you may be think around 3000mAh may not be much and yeah it is not but for a low gpu chip(only matters for games) it may be enough. But but but...... if you can hold on a longer than that too then the rest of Google's 2020 lineup soon. Their batteries will likely be bigger and ram should be at least 6GB. If you really really, want one of the current Pixel's alright, I do not see a ram issue in present day on my Pixel 3 XL which also lasts me around 5hrs with 20%ish left. I do not know what your use case, but if you are concerned about ram get a Pixel 4 XL which does have a larger battery, yeah and more ram.
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Oh, a final mention: yes the Pixel line is simple to unlock the bootloader of. Though, if you wanna root or run a kernel all of that will have to be done on the computer starting with the Pixel 3s(for now). If you really want a smaller phone though word of advice, just wait at least until August 3rd, the device will have more ram than the Pixel 3 and more battery capacity than the Pixel 3 & Pixel 4.
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Yeah, Ive been considering it. Usually I wouldn't consider a phone with a midrange processor, but to get what I want I will have to sacrifice something. I actually like that the A series is made out of plastic, I hate heavy phones, I also hate cases...plastic is light and its durable. I was actually looking at the s10e because its a light phone. the only reason I balk at that one is because of potential battery life issues. That said I dont know it would be any worse than by P2 which is adequate for me.
But yeah, if I could get past the processor the 4a probably makes a lot of sense and at least I can see if the problem I have with my current phone is because of the phone itself or Google. The whole Pixel transition just sort of irks me because I was basically a hardcore nexus fan and they just totally killed it for pixel. I see the A phones as nexus successors, but I still feel like Google cuts too many corners with the A phones. I mean I dont know how much processors cost but its sort of hard for me to believe with with all the other places Google cut costs with the A phones they couldn't figure out how to get an 8 series processor in the phone. Maybe this year would be different considering how expensive everyone claims the 865 is but shouldn't 855s be dirt cheap by now? There are near budget class phones with 855s in them right now. so thats my major gripe with the A series.
As for the 5 thats less of a sell for me. All the rumors have that phone with a midrange processor as well and I just dont see it differentiating itself from the 4a all that much, especially for the extra money its going to cost.