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The Samsung Galaxy S3 has served me well, but it now seems to struggle. Some apps seem to be processor limited, then they open the default web browser and when exiting the browser I find the app restarts which I assume is because of lack of memory.
Likewise, Google Maps can get very sluggish and use up lots of memory when driving a route of over an hours duration. Google could probably make it better, but unlikely if it works OK on more modern phones.
So I'm considering an upgrade to the LG G3, which would mean doubling the RAM from 1GB to 2GB and upping the processor from 1.5Ghz to 2.5Ghz.
Would this make things better? Or is the amount of RAM allocated to user apps similar and so I'll still have the same problems?
I keep seeing people talk about overheating issues and cracks, are these really a problem ?
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The Samsung Galaxy S3 has served me well, but it now seems to struggle. Some apps seem to be processor limited, then they open the default web browser and when exiting the browser I find the app restarts which I assume is because of lack of memory.
Likewise, Google Maps can get very sluggish and use up lots of memory when driving a route of over an hours duration. Google could probably make it better, but unlikely if it works OK on more modern phones.
So I'm considering an upgrade to the LG G3, which would mean doubling the RAM from 1GB to 2GB and upping the processor from 1.5Ghz to 2.5Ghz.
Would this make things better? Or is the amount of RAM allocated to user apps similar and so I'll still have the same problems?
I keep seeing people talk about overheating issues and cracks, are these really a problem ?
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I haven't had a Galaxy SIII. Otherwise I come from a iPhone 4s, and before this I had a Sony-Ericsson Arc S. Personally speaking, I had a lot of problems with the Xperia: continuous rebooting, RAM limits, not software updates, etc. So I felt let down by Android, and I decide to switch to another platform. I can tell that the iPhone worked just fine, but I never felt comfortable in such a closed OS. Reading about technology and gadgets I realized that in three years Android had improved enough and it had become a very mature platform, so I came back to android. I chose the LG G3, because of the good reviews and the better price/value ratio, and I cant tell you that this was a very good decision. To sum up, the LG G3 is a very good device in every single aspect. It's cute, light and has an incredibly screen. Even with its huge 5.5' qHD screen, it's easily one hand managed. I heard complaints about poor battery life, overheating issues and lags. In contrast I never had one single issue: no lags, no overheating, great battery life and an incredible performance.
Last but not least the G3 has matured enough in the community to have a great developer support. Right now you can install Stock based Lollipop ROMs that will make your experience with this phone even better.
I bought my phone in July 2014. If, right now, I'd have to buy a new phone, it'd be the LG G3, again.
I came from S3. Totally new life with G3. No regrets.
I upgraded from an S3 too, no regrets whatshowever, the camera is a bit slower but the quality is so much better. As well as that, the screen is awesome! I strongly advise you to do so
I also upgrade from S3 to G3 (so many 3's )... The difference is huge. Much faster, great screen and not so big (for me is ok).
The only thing that dissapoint me is that in S3 we have so many roms, kernels, tweaks, etc etc and in G3 there are few (but goods )
So, for me, the upgrade is a Must and i'm really happy with that...
If you could get your hands on the 3GB ram version I would highly advise that to make it more future proof (you seem like a guy who wanna keep his phone for a while).
Thanks all, couldn't find a 3GB version, but ebuyer seem to be the cheapest, so bought it from there. Now just need to get them to actually deliver it. They've said they shipped via Yodel, which are not known for good customer service. Last package someone sent via them they lost!
I'll probably have lots of questions once I've got it!
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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Take a look at this before making any decisions...
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That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?
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That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?
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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.
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My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update
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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.
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I agree get the Exynos if you can. The Snapdragon is full of problems and terrible battery life compared to the Exynos version.
Literally the only way I can make my Exynos lag is too open all 120 apps while multi windows + running Antutu (exaggeration obviously) in all seriousness I have never seen my device lag even when gaming order and chaos 2, dead trigger 2, Pokemon Go, clash of clans..etc
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I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update
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I talked to them today over chat support. I asked about exchange or refund. They seemed reluctant at first but said were gonna put a note in my account for when I went back to the store I got it from... Saying to refund it. No if they actually do so at the store or what trouble they give me is another thing.
So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!
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So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!
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I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.
the only issue I'm having with the exynos is button lag (have to keep pressing the button esp on the phone app before it works) and occasional reboots. It also hung when sending a SMS whilst listening to music, taking 2 restarts to go back to normal.
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I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.
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Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.
phame said:
Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.
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So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.
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So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.
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Nope.
I have been using the SM-N9300 (Hong Kong version) of the Note 7 w/ the Snap Dragon 820 for 6 days now. Have not had a single lag issue. No problems whatsoever with the typing. I have installed and used the stock Samsung, Google and Swift Key keyboards and all of them work perfectly fine with no lag whatsoever.
What is funny is that the Exynos version I recently purchased and have had for almost 3 days now, has had that lag with typing. But only once or twice and nothing too extreme. There is actually a whole thread of people using the Exynos version who are experiencing the Key board lag issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/galaxy-note-7-singapore-thread-sm-t3444909
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here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help/note-7-repeated-restart-bootloop-issues-t3444510/page11
Snapdragon = locked bootloader.
Exynos= unlocked.
That's all that needs to be said and should be an easy choice if your here on XDA.
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Might be blasphemy here but after years of custom ROMs on S3 and shortly on S5 (which made the experiences great, no doubt), I can't think of any reason to need root with what I can do on the Note 7 as it is. Even Good Lock takes me back to that nice notification and quick settings I was used to. Of course that's just my requirements of the phone, no doubt plenty want root.
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Hi guys,
I want to buy a new phone. I discovered this amazing Zenfone 2 device (model ZE551ML, 4GB RAM, 64 GB FLASH storage), which looks it suits my needs, and I like its look too. But is this 1,5 year smarphone still worth buying in 2016? I mean, is it's performance good enough for modern apps and for future?
My demands on phone are:
- Basic smarthone functions, like messaging (I am heavy IM user), calendar, notes, ...
- Good enough performance to play some game (probably Heartstone and like this, I dont like to play GTA on my phone, I prefer play it on my gaming console instead) and to test some VR apps (probably for movies, maybe one or two games, with some cheap chinese VR headsed, I dont believe VR is ready for normal use, but I would like to try it)
- microSD card slot. It is always good to have option to extend my storage for multimedia content. Plus when I had android before, I really liked option to backup my phone to SD card before reinstalling ROM.
- I like when I am able to replace dead battery (after two years, or just when it is dead) at home. I dont mind some screwing, but I really hate "the glue-made phone" (you know, when you need to heat phone, then pry glass out, it will never be the same after putting together again - not even if authorized service will do this).
- I just hate glass-made back on phones. Just another weak spot. And it looks so ugly, because so many fingerprints on it... I like metal back case, or some resistant polycarbonate.
- It is good when phone has good support here on XDA. There is good chance I will be able to install newer version of android (AOSP or else), when manufacturer drops support (which is in many cases right after device is sold )
On the other hand, I dont care about:
- camera - I really dont need it at all. It is good there is some to photograph something instead write down a note. But if phone has no camera, I dont care. I have much better option for taking photos then my phone is.
- LTE - I dont use it. It just drains my battery. GPRS speed is good enough for IM messaging and to recieve e-mail (and no, I am not sending pictures or videos in them). And there is WiFi almost everywhere (any pub, coffee shop, workplace, everyone at home has a Wifi) if I want to stream something from Internet (oh, there is even Wifi in BUS, if I take a long journey across half my country). So no need to drain my battery at all.
- Display size - I am okay with almost everything. Just be between 4" na 7" and I am OK with it.
Will be Zenfone 2 good for these my needs? I am worried mainly about it's performance now and in the future.
Originally I had OnePlus 3 in mind (even though it has no SD card slot). But then I discovered this Zenfone, which does have SD card slot and is also nearly half the price comparing to OnePlus 3.
I looked at some antutu bechmark results for these two phones. There is tremendous difference between these two. So these are my options:
Phone | Antutu Result | Price (including taxes)
Zenfone 2 | 47 300 | 6500 CZK (approx 250 USD)
OnePlus 3 | 143 000 | 11 000 CZK (approx 430 USD), probably more for updated 3T model, 3 model is sold out
Will be this difference in synthetic test be noticalbe in real-life experience?
I hasitate if buy Zenfone 2 and be happy with it. Or waste more money (almost twice, maybe more after 3T will be announced) on OnePlus and have more performance for the future?
It all depends on what you do with your phone. There are people that have been satisfied with their Zenfone and people that haven't been satisfied and only had complaints.
Personally, I love this phone, got it 1 year ago and still works like a charm. It was cheap for what it offered and it still is. Performance is good, never had any delays or problems like freezes, crashes, restarts. If you want to compare it to another phone, I think its performance would be similar to that of a Galaxy S5 (it is a 2015 phone so can't compare it to current 2016 ones). The latest Marshmallow update also solved most problems this phone had on MM so I upgraded to it (was still on Lollipop until now) and it works great. Regarding gaming performance, it can be good or bad, depends on what game and if it has support for x86 or not. Like 90% of the games on Playstore won't have any problems with Intel x86. Regular applications will run without any problems. So considering the price and the pretty good performance, I'd say go with the Zenfone 2. The One Plus 3 is a better phone indeed, but the price is almost double.
Regarding your Antutu score, no idea why yours is so low, mine is 67000+ (2.3 Ghz version, 32 GB storage and 4 GB RAM).
Oh and I will also add:
- as you see the phone has support on XDA
- from what I heard, battery isn't too hard to take out (but still non-removable, One Plus 3 has non-removable as well)
- it has VR support, Asus also has a VR application named Zenfone VR. Haven't tested the VR on this phone yet, gonna buy a VR set for myself next month.
- it has a few cute functions like resize for the screen so that you can use the phone with one hand more easily (one hand mode), draw letters on the turned off screen to open apps directly, Cover Mode (if you have a cover with a circle so that you can see clock and certain functions in it)
If you like Intel chipset, 4 hour SOT, and Asus / Zen system, it is still a nice phone for nice price.
The one+ 3 is not for sale anymore, and the 3T is not available until the end of the month. But it will be almost double the money...
So get this phone and stick with it's curiosities, or wait for ever because there is always a newer, better phone in a couple of weeks...
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I'm currently using an HTC One M7. It's still a decent phone, there are even pretty stable Nougat Roms available for it. But it is noticeable struggling when it comes to more demanding tasks. No surprise really, since it's a more than 4 year old phone.
So would you guys say, that the 5X is still worth buying? How is its overall performance? Especially now with Android O?
Thanks in advance!
Haven't used Android O. I don't recommend the phone because there is always a chance of bootlooping. If you are willing to roll the dice then it is a very good phone after modding it. If you want to keep everything stock then it's probably better to get a newer phone with stock android.
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Haven't used Android O. I don't recommend the phone because there is always a chance of bootlooping. If you are willing to roll the dice then it is a very good phone after modding it. If you want to keep everything stock then it's probably better to get a newer phone with stock android.
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I read there was this bootloop issue, but didn't do much reading on it. Is it a hardware issue?
Flashing a custom Rom/rooting it would be the first thing I'd do with the phone.
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I read there was this bootloop issue, but didn't do much reading on it. Is it a hardware issue?
Flashing a custom Rom/rooting it would be the first thing I'd do with the phone.
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Yeah it's a hardware issue- basically a low-quality soldering job from Qualcomm. Basically the big cluster of A57 cores eventually fail- though this can be rectified with a custom boot.img/kernel.
I recently purchased a Google-refurb 5X simply for O support (and it was extremely cheap), and it's a fantastic phone. However, as a long term device I can't recommend it.
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Yeah it's a hardware issue- basically a low-quality soldering job from Qualcomm. Basically the big cluster of A57 cores eventually fail- though this can be rectified with a custom boot.img/kernel.
I recently purchased a Google-refurb 5X simply for O support (and it was extremely cheap), and it's a fantastic phone. However, as a long term device I can't recommend it.
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Well, this is obviously not great. But if this is fixable, it might not be as bad.
Official O-support is one of the main reasons I am thinking about buying it. And since the 5X is also out for quite a while now it's not supposed to be a long term solution.
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Well, this is obviously not great. But if this is fixable, it might not be as bad.
Official O-support is one of the main reasons I am thinking about buying it. And since the 5X is also out for quite a while now it's not supposed to be a long term solution.
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It's not within the ability of a normal person to fix (ie: reflow/repair the solder joints permanently); however, running the CPU with only the small cores (which is essentially the "fix" for the bootloop) should mitigate the problem beyond the practical lifespan of the device.
I'm perfectly happy with a bit of a performance hit- the camera, fingerprint scanner, speakers, dev support, and notification LED are all heckin amazing.
No, I would not recommend it, there are plenty of faster phones that you can get for around the same price. Plus the boot loop issue
I use N5X since 1y. For my low usage it's fine and stays cool, so I exspect still 2y without bootloop. But 2GB RAM will be or become a bottleneck. Remain the fast Andeoid updates - look here for devices, which got Oreo yet.
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I use N5X since 1y. For my low usage it's fine and stays cool, so I exspect still 2y without bootloop. But 2GB RAM will be or become a bottleneck. Remain the fast Andeoid updates - look here for devices, which got Oreo yet.
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Yeah, don't know what Google was thinking when they decided to only put 2 GB of Ram in it.
Well, seems like I shouldn't buy it. Guess I'll wait for the Pixel to become a bit cheaper.
I am quite happy with this phone, though due to 2 things (only 2GB of RAM and no SD card) I'll move to some of the Android One models as soon as they're available in Europe, most probably Xiaomi Mi A1 (as long as one can unlock bootloader and root it without issues). I want to stay with clean Android and guaranteed, early and periodic updates. Not too many choices out there, Pixel is too expensive for me.
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I am quite happy with this phone, though due to 2 things (only 2GB of RAM and no SD card) I'll move to some of the Android One models as soon as they're available in Europe, most probably Xiaomi Mi A1 (as long as one can unlock bootloader and root it without issues). I want to stay with clean Android and guaranteed, early and periodic updates. Not too many choices out there, Pixel is too expensive for me.
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I'd say exactly that. Been using The n5x for 1 year now but thre 2GB of RAM + the SD808 are just too old to compete with devices like the Mi A1. Surely the SD625 isnt a highend soc but it should perform better then the SD808 because of the 4GB of RAM. I personally will wait until End of the year and maybe buy the Mi Mix 2 if i get it for around 350€. We will see.
The 5X runs Oreo and is scheduled to receive monthly security updates for a year. This alone makes it still a relevant smartphone. One year from now you will certainly see much newer phones still without Oreo. The form, size, and fingerprint reader are near perfect for me. Its biggest limitation is having only 2GB of RAM which affects multitasking. This is most obvious when you use a web browser for a while and then switch back to other tasks because there is an obvious delay which means that the app is being reloaded.
It's like having a $200+ brick, mine bootlooped in the worst moment possible. Overall is a great phone if you are willing to live with the uncertainty of when its going to bootloop. Save your money and buy something better.
Bought mines mines in june 2016, using it till this date, no bootloop problem (as yet hopefully), totally worth the price imo just make sure you enable oem unlocking in the dev menu in case something happens.
I wouldn't recommend this phone, and overall any LG phone. I didn't get the bootloop issue yet but I read A LOT about it and it seems it will come for you one day for sure, usually after 1 year. The only other serious problem with this phone is the overheating, it overheats even if I don't do anything. Only after chatting with a friend for ~20 minutes on messenger with no other apps running, the phone gets hot. Games are even worse...
Next, the phone is fine with most games but don't expect to run all the AAA games on higher than Low (Modern Combat 5, Minecraft [barely], Mortal Kombat, Asphalts, Gangstar...). Android O is mostly fine, has some issues here and there but nothing too serious IMO.
I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
There is no other phone that compares. Price for what specs you get. Not sure why people complain about getting updates every month. We get it at least bi-monthly.
From what I see, the Pixel 4XL and Galaxy S10 Plus are both around $900 compared to the OnePlus at $600. That's already a big difference right there. I don't know about Sonys devices. I don't think they are all that popular in the U.S. My device is on the February security patch. Along with the apparent statement that they are doing bi-monthly updates, the coronavirus has also probably slowed things down a bit. I came from an LG V30 and if you want to talk about slow updates, look no further than LG. Is the phone the best device available? No. But overall, I think this is the best option in this price range. And I have nothing to complain about.
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ISamsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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I agree with you, I prefer the OnePlus fluid OS over Samsung and any other phone out there and not too mention here in the US OnePlus is much cheaper, and people forget that this Corona virus played a huge part with OnePlus being delayed on their updates, before all of this I could of sworn they was on point with their updates that I could remember unless I'm mistaken. Samsung makes great phone but their software is meh, same with other phone manufacturer, if it ain't stock Android I don't want it, I'm already too spoiled with it.
I just got a T-Mobile OP7T that was $499. It is currently on February security patch. I will be switching to Beta once I get the unlock bin. Beta 2 in on March security patch.
To me every phone I look at is a comprise somewhere. I care about the software experience the most so I go for oneplus. Im not a fan for samsung UI. This is the best camera Ive had on a smart phone but im coming from Moto X4 and OP6T. The camera is sufficient for my personal needs. You do you. I enjoy my OP7T but get the phone that works best for you.
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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Uhh someone got offended... I've been flashing and repairing phones for 10 years and nowadays, there's no real advantages to flashing custom ROMs, they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times), nowadays keeping the bootloader locked is just fine, GCAMs work great on most phones now, customisation is also possible without rooting, so what do you need custom ROMs nowadays? If Price vs Performace and dev friendly is what you want, Xiaomi phones are way cheaper, yes you have to wait a while to get the bootloader unlocked, but once that time has passed, you normally have great Dev support, with great Pixel Experience ROMs.
iOS sure I use them sometimes, but I get bored of them quickly and I have enough experience with multiple brands to get to this conclusion, I got the 7t to see what the fuss was all about, I knew what I was going to get into in terms of features and that is why I was expecting more. In the used marked this brand is not worth it, that's all I'm saying, I always buy used, never going to pay for a new phone if used they are so much cheaper and look like new, if I was looking into a new OP7T and a new S10+ I get it, but in the used marked, there's so better alternatives.
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they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times)
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This.... Obviously you dont know what you are doing in order to fix those "functionality". Lots of stuff you can do to fix those. You might be one of those thinking that oh ill buy the 7t cause they said she said he said. and then vents out its not perfect. lmao.
What it all boils down to is personal preference. Personally I would buy a used OP over any other used phone, especially Samsung. Do they make excellent devices, yes, without doubt. But their OneUI or whatever the OS skin they are using is a huge drawback IMO. A dedicated button for a personal assistant that the average user can't remap... it just doesn't make sense to me. I don't like when something that should be an option is forced upon me like that. My wife loves Samsung phones. She has the s10 but hates the bixby button. I had the 6t but broke the screen. So I was using my wife's previous Note 8 phone for a month or two until the 7t was released. I was able to remap the bixby button with a pc and adb. My wife would never have been able to figure that out and I'm assuming most Samsung users don't have any idea what remapping hardware buttons even means. The only good phone I remember LG releasing was the Nexus 5.... again personal opinion. For me cameras aren't a big deal... I can honestly tell you that if I take pictures of my kids opening presents on either my 7t or my wife's s10 and then post them to social media not 1 person will say "OMG what kind of phone took those ****ty/awsome photos!" Nobody will be able to tell or care enough to scrutinize each and every picture. I was not huge into photography before smart phones and I still am not. I take pictures during certain events in my life.. Not for photo competitions. IP rating.. OP has addressed this many times. The only reason they have not gotten certified is bc the cost would trickle down to the consumer. Their phones have been waterproof for a couple generations now... just w/o the sticker that says so.. kinda like a marriage license. If you get married, but lose the piece of paper that proves it, does that mean I am no longer married? I'm sure my wife would strongly disagree. The other drawback I hear ppl complain about is wireless charging. I personal don't care.. I charge my phone @ night or in the car... granted I did buy the warp car charger and it's awesome... but other then that I don't care... It takes maybe 2 seconds to plug in my phone rather then just set it down... have we really got that lazy? I bought my wife a wireless charging pad for her Samsung phones... and she doesn't use it.. ever. Don't ask me why.. I've asked... but she doesn't know why. For me personally it's all about the user experience or the software. I don't flash custom roms anymore.. but alot of ppl do. OnePlus is very Dev friendly. I do however root my phone with Magisk. If I purchase a phone, any, phone that is my property. If I want to get into the system files and **** everything up that is my choice. It is becoming damn near impossible to have that choice on other brands especially Samsung. Its even getting harder on OP devices... but nothing like Samsung. Not being able to root a phone that I paid for... that is my property.. Is a complete deal breaker for me. It is also why I will never buy any phone that is Verizon branded. So I guess I will end where I started.. It all boils down to personal preference. I didn't realize this was so long lol... sorry
Yeah, i agree, but most people don't care root stuff. They just want a ready to use phone.
I am feeling a bit fed up with so many google apps on the phone....
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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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You're a privileged guy in a privileged country.
From where I am, all the other phones you mentioned are at around twice the price of the OnePlus 7T, brand new.
The only other value for buck phones we have here are Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, and Realme.
this brand is expensive because you're being robbed of {long list of features} and their software developments costs are near zero. what's next. remove display? stop creating 1+ wallpapers per model to save few more bucks? hard to believe an alternative "flagship" brand does opposite of what such companies normally did - remove SD card, jack, Qi, Qc, IP etc. Exactly opposite to #NeverSettle slogan.
personally i'm going to suffer with 7T model for couple of months til Xperia 1.2 comes. That's how i imagine a flagship: no bs notch, bezels to finally hold your phone better, SD, jack, Qi, IP, 21:9 screen.. all perfect. 100% flagship.
however there are superlatives about OnePlus brand:
* battery - best of the market
* speed - best of the market
* community support or rootabilty - best of the market
some tech advances were great : they got fast refresh screens sooner, they got under display fingerprint sooner (samsung's still doesn't work well while generations 6T -> 7 -> 7T -> 8 already exist) and "invisible features" are still premium (wifi speeds, call clarity, speakers performance etc).
camera is great. so what's missing?
all i hate is iphone style removing of features and lowcost brand style of not paying for licences. i hate having 10 Qc3 chargers and not being able to charge the phone fast in any location because they don't want to pay the licence. i hate having Qi charger next to bed and not able to comfortably place the phone on it, and pick it up multiple times without struggle of using cable.
so what's the direction of the brand then?
90hz/120hz is already boring and no new innovation in sight.
well.. they have to go back to the roots.
model 8 will bring "back" wireless charging and IP68.
and if no more innovation in next iteration, they will have to bring SD card and jack.