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Will we get Nougat (7.0)? If so, when?

Just thought I'd throw this out there because the 1+3 is my first 1+. Can anyone with past 1+ experience give me an idea of first, whether we should expect to get Nougat, and second, if we can expect it, how long after the initial release will it be released for us?

Well, I meant to post this in Q&A, but I guess discussion works too.

Judging by the 1+2, yes, half a year after N goes official.
But who knows, maybe they improved, we got a quick RAM and display fix after all, so I'll say it'll land on january 17th 2017.

You are asking us to predict on something that doesn't yet exist.
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brickedvice said:
You are asking us to predict on something that doesn't yet exist.
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Pandemic187 said:
Can anyone with past 1+ experience
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It's not like my post was even lengthy...

Official update for sure takes months. But i hope CM and AOSP brings us a (more or less stable) N beta some weeks after the launch. So maybe for christmas this year.

Thanks Hatshipuh and Tiz92. That seems like a reasonable time frame.
Oh, and extra points to Hatshipuh for an exact date estimate! :laugh:

Prediction: OP3 will be the first Non-Nexus/HTC/Sony phone to get 7.0, officially or unofficially.
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t2jbird said:
Prediction: OP3 will be the first Non-Nexus/HTC/Sony phone to get 7.0, officially or unofficially.
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Well said. Wasn't there a pic floating around of the op3 running a preview N? I remember seeing it somewhere online bit I didn't care coz I never thought I would buy this phone at the time.

It was a fake. There were "0"s with different fonts.

History is a cyclic phenomenom.
At each new Android version the same threads, with the same answers: we don't know.
The correct answer is: When it's done. And sooner for custom roms.

What did you said?

matze19999 said:
What did you said?
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haha, I was about to say the same thing.

Pandemic187 said:
Just thought I'd throw this out there because the 1+3 is my first 1+. Can anyone with past 1+ experience give me an idea of first, whether we should expect to get Nougat, and second, if we can expect it, how long after the initial release will it be released for us?
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We won't get Android N
Enjoy!

matze19999 said:
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Come back to future bro, lol

It's better to not count on getting Android N.
And even if it comes, there is a probability that certain things in a N update will be annoying or worse than on Marshmallow so that many users will prefer to not update to N.
But that is OK - on my LG G2 which I used for 2.5 years I still have Android 4.4. And it works, so what?

I heard that Android Nougat will be "6.1". Is it true?

_MartyMan_ said:
I heard that Android Nougat will be "6.1". Is it true?
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No, it will be 7.0

I don't pin my hopes high of getting android N anytime sooner than 1 year. I will be relying on custom ROMs. The only thing i will be missing is camera quality. Photos on custom ROMs just don't match with what i can get with stock. Hopefully we get alternative.
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android n for one plus 3 ? in Feb-March 2017 , they have a history of slow updates. best to assume more time to avoid horrible disappointment lol . but who will stay on stock for so long ? i just hope the op3 gets a cam mod that makes us utilize the slow mo video recordings in aosp/cm roms.. then id go ahead.

When should we expect to see Oreo Roms?

Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?

hostilebynature said:
Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?
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Don't ask for ETAs.
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What's wrong with stock?
Aftermarket ROMs seem to introduce more problems than they fix, for the past 4 phones
I finally learned my lesson with the Nexus 6 and stuck with stock and a custom kernel. Xposed will be along and there is no reason for a ROM.
Substratum, ✓
Root, ✓
Android Pay/Netflix, ✓
Boot Animation change, ✓
Custom Kernel, ✓
Xposed, soon[emoji769]
What are the other reasons you possibly want to taint a great phone?
T.
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Some people enjoy the the mods that come with custom ROMs. Since the Nexus 5 I've been a huge fan of the contents by the team over at Dirty Unicorns puts out. Wouldn't mind trying out a DU Oreo rom if it ever happened.

XDA members usually like to flash...

galaxys said:
XDA members usually like to flash...
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Yep. If I recall from many years ago when creating an account on xda there was a check box you were required to check acknowledging that expected behavior.

Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?

dcillusions77 said:
Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?
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DU, Pure Nexus are working on Oreo if you know of any other roms that support this device check their source you'll see branches for 8.0

I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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My guess price this phone was super over priced compared to some of the other offerings in Android. Mid range is catching some great devices out there for little money

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.

AsuraDas said:
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm using a moto-x pure now so I hadn't payed any attention to the Pixel/PixelXL development scene at all. I pre ordered a Pixel 2 XL last night which made me go check out development on the Pixel XL out of curiosity. From what I gathered after some research last night it seems the 2016 pixels have a "non standard" way of handling updates. Apparently there are 2 partitions/slots for system/vendor (slot A and B). I'm not going into details what this means, but the short version is that it made things more difficult for custom recoveries to deal with. Even with all the right parts in place flashing a ROM/GAPPS/Root means taking extra steps that every other devices I've ever dealt with didn't need. Nothing major... just extra steps.
Like I said, that's a VERY basic explanation of the situation. Maybe somebody else is willing to go into more detail, but that's the gist of it. It does look to me though that the most popular ROMs have either an official or unofficial build available.
There's also something to be said about the state of "official android" now, which these phones run. At least to me there is significantly less reason to need/want a custom ROM now compared to just 2 years ago. Now that "official android" has themes capability via OMS and a lot of customization options there is not a whole lot I personally want anymore. My biggest thing is "long back press to kill" which can be had with an app if necessary, "advanced restart" menu and of course root.
I think if the only thing I can't have while sticking with the official builds is the "advanced restart" menu then I can deal with it, I can run terminal commands to achieve the same thing. I can imagine the Pixel 2 XL being my first android phone that I finally stick with the "official builds" + root for the life of the phone. I'm sure I'll end up playing with ROMs once they become available but I don't know if it will be much more than playing around... I've always used ROMs mostly to get the "stock android experience" because I like it.. but since this phone comes with it and will get VERY TIMELY android updates I can definitely see myself sticking with what's official and no ROMS. I ALMOST did it with my Moto X Pure.. moto's official builds were damn near AOSP and I used them until it became apparent that I could't rely of them for OS updates post Lenovo buying Motorola.

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I can. The problem is with the dual slots. Pixel Dust was able to finally make a Oreo Rom for both Pixel and Pixel XL, however root is not possible yet. My suggestion if you want to be flash happy is to stay away from Google phones because from here on out they will all have dual slots.
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dcillusions77 said:
I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.
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There was actually a updated twrp recovery this month and it sticks with Oreo now. Problem is that there is only one custom Rom for Oreo and currently root is not possible. That's with Pixel Dust Rom.

Android 11 will be ported to Pixel XL?

Now I'm on stock Android 9 (very first build) + Magisk.
Everything is fine. I've never want to flash android 10 (or LOS 17.1). Because not much differences between 9 and 10.
But now, when Android 11 is released, I really want it.
Any ideas, guys?
I cannot find any plans about possibility of development adroid 11 on Pixel XL.
Thanks in advance.

There has been indeed a question about Android 11 in "PixelDust Android 10" thread, to which the ROM creator replied: "I will give it a try". So we'll have to be patient for now.

Darkboom said:
There has been indeed a question about Android 11 in "PixelDust Android 10" thread, to which the ROM creator replied: "I will give it a try". So we'll have to be patient for now.
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Over on RR I believe, someone said their friend got AOSP 11 booted and built for it, but is having RIL issues; that's hopeful at least.

Voltz100999 said:
Over on RR I believe, someone said their friend got AOSP 11 booted and built for it, but is having RIL issues; that's hopeful at least.
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Yeah it is! Seems like we'll get Android 11 in the future, good to know.

Darkboom said:
Yeah it is! Seems like we'll get Android 11 in the future, good to know.
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They have a tree assembled already apparently, it's just that RIL is broken. I asked how broken but it may take a few days for him to see it.

Voltz100999 said:
They have a tree assembled already apparently, it's just that RIL is broken. I asked how broken but it may take a few days for him to see it.
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There is no rush tbh. It's a surprise we'll get the new android at all, let alone so soon.

Darkboom said:
There is no rush tbh. It's a surprise we'll get the new android at all, let alone so soon.
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Apparently RIL is very, VERY broken, as is the camera; it thinks it's always on.

Voltz100999 said:
Apparently RIL is very, VERY broken, as is the camera; it thinks it's always on.
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Well that's unfortunate, hope it will be fixed soon!

Darkboom said:
Well that's unfortunate, hope it will be fixed soon!
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I do believe they can

Yeah, so the dev that's currently working on porting 11 to the Pixel is going to be busy for the next few days, so porting is on hold. Although the bugs have been resolved, the reason it's being held back is because he's trying to get GApps to fit on the phone, and is also doing an 11 bringup for the S6.

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Yeah, so the dev that's currently working on porting 11 to the Pixel is going to be busy for the next few days, so porting is on hold. Although the bugs have been resolved, the reason it's being held back is because he's trying to get GApps to fit on the phone, and is also doing an 11 bringup for the S6.
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I hope he can get it, he's a smart man. Much more than I with my basic knowledge on building and assembling trees.

For those of you using the stock ROM, what are your plans for migrating once we reach EOL?

As I'm sure we all know here, our beloved Pixel 3 XLs are officially getting dropped by Google in about three weeks. If history repeats itself, though, we will get the Android 12 release in October followed by one last OTA in December. My typical usage pattern with a phone is:
Get the phone and use the stock ROM until the phone reaches EOL.
Once EOL is reached, move to LineageOS.
I know that this is a pattern that some others more or less follow as well, but I was wondering about what variations there are to the pattern. Does anyone here use another ROM? As much as I like LineageOS, I would be more interested in using a ROM that is basically identical to stock Android. I have read about compiling AOSP from source so as to maintain my own ROM that does just that, but from what I understand, that does not work very well for unsupported devices. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Off the top of the head... EOL only means no more official updates or support, ie security fix's...
Your fone working on a custom rom will still work, since you'd think it was the custom rom updated...
If they do stop the fone calling, there's plenty other apks for 'near field' communication
Free wifi calling hint hint..

Pachacouti said:
Off the top of the head... EOL only means no more official updates or support, ie security fix's...
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Oh yes, I know that functionality-wise the phone will continue working as before. What I want to know is, what are people considering in regards to custom ROMs?

David B. said:
Oh yes, I know that functionality-wise the phone will continue working as before. What I want to know is, what are people considering in regards to custom ROMs?
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Kl, well, me, I'm wondering this too just now, because I'm stuck with a system-as-root fone thats a pain, and now there's too many different too choose from, and if they're of the best quality, they now have to cover at least 4 different styles of booting alone, I'd watch those for the ones updating quickest

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Kl, well, me, I'm wondering this too just now, because I'm stuck with a system-as-root fone thats a pain, and now there's too many different too choose from, and if they're of the best quality, they now have to cover at least 4 different styles of booting alone, I'd watch those for the ones updating quickest
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Well, LineageOS certainly does that, but at the same time, it also takes them about 6 months to move to a new major release of Android. I was hoping that someone would know of a release that does it just as well, but is a little more flexible with migrating. I haven't found any myself.

I've yet to convince myself which version is for my fone lol

David B. said:
As I'm sure we all know here, our beloved Pixel 3 XLs are officially getting dropped by Google in about three weeks. If history repeats itself, though, we will get the Android 12 release in October followed by one last OTA in December. My typical usage pattern with a phone is:
Get the phone and use the stock ROM until the phone reaches EOL.
Once EOL is reached, move to LineageOS.
I know that this is a pattern that some others more or less follow as well, but I was wondering about what variations there are to the pattern. Does anyone here use another ROM? As much as I like LineageOS, I would be more interested in using a ROM that is basically identical to stock Android. I have read about compiling AOSP from source so as to maintain my own ROM that does just that, but from what I understand, that does not work very well for unsupported devices. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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I've already moved to LineageOS, simply to get the monthly security updates. I have not seen any functional loss on LineageOS. If you don't feel you need security updates, just stay on the stock ROM, especially if you think you need any Android 12 features. IMO, new Android features simply add more bloat than I want or need. Your opinion may differ.

Not at all, they all sound excellent, however, my fone cant write to the actuall system, can mount, but no joy yet doing anything else, and no overlay works so far, the only custom os I could install was a chrooted nethunter, which was pretty lame and useless being my system as root is a pain... so I'm looking..

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I've already moved to LineageOS, simply to get the monthly security updates. I have not seen any functional loss on LineageOS. If you don't feel you need security updates, just stay on the stock ROM, especially if you think you need any Android 12 features. IMO, new Android features simply add more bloat than I want or need. Your opinion may differ.
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My plan, at least for now, is to ride on stock until the last update is pushed, and then once LOS gets updated to 12, I will migrate. The only problem with this, though, is that it would leave me without security updates from the end of December until either March or April, and I am not sure how I feel about that.

My experience might help...Last year I was using a Motorola 5Plus with Pixel Experience Rom and loved it. My phone was fast, stable and highly compatible to the "Pixel Experience". I had a hardware issue and decided I liked the PE so much, I went ahead and got a Pixel 3xl...I've never had such a seamless transition...was just faster with better hardware but almost no thought changing for different mechanisms of actions...
I'm hoping someone picks up PE and ports it to the 3XL and I'll use that....otherwise, any alternative suggestions for closest to "stock" Pixel would be appreciated...
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I liked the PE so much, I went ahead and got a Pixel 3xl...I've never had such a seamless transition...was just faster with better hardware but almost no thought changing for different mechanisms of actions...
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Yeah I have seen PixelExperience and would really like to use it over LOS if the 3 XL gets support. As far as I know, the 2 XL did not receive support until it's EOL, so there's hope. Is the feature parity as spot-on as is claimed?

David B. said:
Yeah I have seen PixelExperience and would really like to use it over LOS if the 3 XL gets support. As far as I know, the 2 XL did not receive support until it's EOL, so there's hope. Is the feature parity as spot-on as is claimed?
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For the features and functions I use, it was almost totally seamless...it was less than a typical release level amount of change (e.g.: 10->11 was more than I experienced PE -> P-3xl)
YMMV however...based on what features/functions you use most heavily.
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For the features and functions I use, it was almost totally seamless...it was less than a typical release level amount of change (e.g.: 10->11 was more than I experienced PE -> P-3xl)
YMMV however...based on what features/functions you use most heavily.
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Great! I guess it's time for me to start researching building my own image.

"David B said he's gonna research building PE for 3xl....
GREAT...be sure to use the AOSP version ... there are a couple of flavors of PE but IMHO the AOSP version is the closest to the stock 3xl ...
If you don't mind guiding me a little over the rough patches, I'd be willing to help test your creation once you're out of alpha<G>...(my 3xl is my daily driver)... specifically, I'm used to having TWRP available for the maintenance/management of the ROM and if I understand it properly, TWRP isn't used / available for the 3xl ROM's...
Thanks
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"David B said he's gonna research building PE for 3xl....
GREAT...be sure to use the AOSP version ... there are a couple of flavors of PE but IMHO the AOSP version is the closest to the stock 3xl ...
If you don't mind guiding me a little over the rough patches, I'd be willing to help test your creation once you're out of alpha<G>...(my 3xl is my daily driver)... specifically, I'm used to having TWRP available for the maintenance/management of the ROM and if I understand it properly, TWRP isn't used / available for the 3xl ROM's...
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For now, I would like to hold off on it. I don't really see a point in putting effort in to building PE for the 3 XL when we're about two weeks away from the next major Android release, at which point, PE will need reworked by the dev team. If the 3 XL is not picked up by someone else in the modding community at release time, and I've seen some people that think it will be, then I will start researching it.

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For now, I would like to hold off on it. I don't really see a point in putting effort in to building PE for the 3 XL when we're about two weeks away from the next major Android release, at which point, PE will need reworked by the dev team. If the 3 XL is not picked up by someone else in the modding community at release time, and I've seen some people that think it will be, then I will start researching it.
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Sounds like a plan...will keep an eye on development threads for it once it goes out of support.

Even though the last update will be in Dec I'll probably keep using the 3XL until the 7 comes out (or 6a maybe). I just had the battery replaced a couple months ago, and there is nothing wrong with the phone. I usually use devices until EOL hits, and then upgrade when the next OS/phone comes out, so whatever device I'm using at any given time is on the current OS release (IE: 3XL on Android 12 until Android 13 drops, and then upgrade phone to get Android 13).

I would like to use that method, but I think it's too expensive, so I try to settle for "my phone's basically dead."

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I've already moved to LineageOS, simply to get the monthly security updates. I have not seen any functional loss on LineageOS. If you don't feel you need security updates, just stay on the stock ROM, especially if you think you need any Android 12 features. IMO, new Android features simply add more bloat than I want or need. Your opinion may differ.
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Does the unlimited Google Photos upload work on LineageOS?

quera said:
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I don't know how to tell if it is still in effect. I see photos counted against my storage allotment, but don't know if that is just for my previous phones, or if it includes the Pixel photos.
My guess is you would have to use the Google Camera and Photo apps to keep unlimited upload, if it can be kept with LineageOS.

General Face unlock changes everything...

For those that are experiencing issues with Fingerprint sensor, there's an interesting project to add Face Unlock that is gaining traction. Here's the xda thread that explains how it works..
Also, a few custom ROMs have added Face Unlock, such as Derpfest Raviole (maintainer FullOfHell). It adds a bunch of other customization options and the latest version is stable with improved performance over stock.
Just wanted to add that face unlock is less secure than fingerprint unlock which is even less secure than a long PIN or Password. You should only be using face unlock if you know the risks (and of course it doesn't have to be used).

Still holding up hope that Google decides to add this to the P6. Even though it's doubtable after half a year of them not giving any indications.

I'm also still holding out hope google adds it

in Pixel 7 Pro only lol I bet

ОТAgree! I miss Pixel 4(((

Not much hope left it seems...
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502296391716122625

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Not much hope left it seems...
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502296391716122625
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It is available on at least 2 custom roms.

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Which ones? That is really the only thing I am missing...

not sure why people want this as its not secure as Apple faceunlock as its simply a camera unlock.

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Which ones? That is really the only thing I am missing...
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Derpfest is one

teegraves58 said:
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been running Derpfest for the last 10 days. Really makes the Pixel 6 series so much more enjoyable to use. Stability is important (and rare these days). This ROM has that and more.

Nekromantik said:
not sure why people want this as its not secure as Apple faceunlock as its simply a camera unlock.
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People are willing to give up security for convenience?

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Yep. I was referring to those on stock.

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Scorpion is another (aside from Derpfest).

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links are in the description ... I mean in the op...
I've been running Derpfest for the last 10 days. Really makes the Pixel 6 series so much more enjoyable to use. Stability is important (and rare these days). This ROM has that and more.
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Derpfest is great. I've run it since the first build.

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Derpfest is great. I've run it since the first build. What's so great about it? What does it give you and drawbacks?
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bobby janow​Derpfest Raviole maintainer (Fullofhell) has been working on it for a few months behind the scenes and just released it last week (3rd build now). It's very stable. I mean you really have to try it for yourself.

Just have no password, it's more secure and faster to unlock

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bobby janow​The dev has been working on it for a few months behind the scenes and just released it last week (3rd build now). It's very stable. I mean you really have to try it for yourself.
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That really doesn't help much. Is there a feature list, what is included, what doesn't work? Just saying it's stable is very limited information. Is there a reason it's not on XDA?

Yeah if the Dev wanted it on here, wouldn't they make a post? This whole thread seems like an ad