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Can it be done as..? As their is no physical dimension changes.. Can we assume that bigger battery could be installed in our op3....?
They said no many times over.
They use the same sized battery, but charge it to a higher voltage, thus giving it more capacity.
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They use the same sized battery, but charge it to a higher voltage, thus giving it more capacity.
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note7 the 2nd...? Sounds a bit daft to charge to a higher voltage. If it was this easy wouldn't all manufacturers max out the batteries?
I was wondering the same if its possible from the software side?
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I was wondering the same if its possible from the software side?
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note7 the 2nd...? Sounds a bit daft to charge to a higher voltage. If it was this easy wouldn't all manufacturers max out the batteries?
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No its a total different battery. If we charge it to 4.4 we will ruin the cells. And no it won't explode.
WTF are you talking?! The capacity of the battery has NOTHING to do with the voltage. The voltage only depends on the used (cathode) materials of the battery. The capacity can only be increased by making the battery (cells) bigger or with a higher density like Lithium Polymer batteries. You can't just load a battery to a voltage you want. Every material has it's rated voltage and charge end voltage.
What do you learn at school guys? That's absolutely embarrassing.
But you can reduce the voltage you take out from the battery.
Use fairpark governor, you'll get 10 hrs screen on time out of which 90 percent of the time you won't feel it's slow.
darshakjust4u said:
But you can reduce the voltage you take out from the battery.
Use fairpark governor, you'll get 10 hrs screen on time out of which 90 percent of the time you won't feel it's slow.
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Most certainly you will
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WTF are you talking?! The capacity of the battery has NOTHING to do with the voltage. The voltage only depends on the used (cathode) materials of the battery. The capacity can only be increased by making the battery (cells) bigger or with a higher density like Lithium Polymer batteries. You can't just load a battery to a voltage you want. Every material has it's rated voltage and charge end voltage.
What do you learn at school guys? That's absolutely embarrassing.
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Well, the voltage is in fact raised. Did they change materials? Maybe, we don't know and frankly we don't care.
All we know is that the batteries are physically the same size and that those in OP3 run at 4.35V and those in OP3T run at 4.4V.
Clearly there has to be more differences (density, that you mentioned).
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Well, the voltage is in fact raised. Did they change materials? Maybe, we don't know and frankly we don't care.
All we know is that the batteries are physically the same size and that those in OP3 run at 4.35V and those in OP3T run at 4.4V.
Clearly there has to be more differences (density, that you mentioned).
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OnePlus did confirm that the chemical composition is different. I know swapping is recommended, but theoretically, would it be possible ?
Hmm, that's very interesting! I'd be willing to try, if the parts are readily available.
However, I'm pretty sure the connector from the old to the new battery isn't the same. Apple changed this with every iteration, to prevent this exact thing.
Even if you changed the battery. The charging circuit in the op3 would still cut off at the voltage for the standard op3 battery.
Then there is the possibility that the batteries have different charging requirements so you could damage the new battery by charging it incorrectly with the op3 circuit.
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Y'all. You're all right. They increased the size of the battery AND the voltage outputted. The phone uses more power than the OnePlus 3, it needed a bigger battery to have the same screen-on-time while having a higher voltage. There's no way you'd ever put this battery in the OnePlus 3 without frying half the phone.
Err, from what I understood when reading all info made public on this, is that they changed neither the size nor the density of the battery. They just made a slight chemical change to make the battery more stable, allowing them to increase the safety voltage threshold from 4.35 to 4.4.
Basically, on 1+3 the battery connector on the phone doesn't allow charging over 100% which is equivalent to the limit of 4.35 safe maximum voltage.
On the 3T, it allows to charge up to on what would be 113% on the 1+3, because it allows charging till it reaches the new maximum safe voltage of 4.4... which just happens to be an extension of 13% in charge.
The absolute top limit capacity of both batteries are the same, but that is highly unsafe overvoltage territory, where the probability of either batteries burning like molten lava would be almost guaranteed (it is how lithium Ion batteries ignite, they don't explode like a grenade, unless you seal them up inside a strong solid structure where internal pressure would skyrocket, which is not the case with phones).
If you changed batteries, most likely it wouldn't make a difference on the 1+3 since the connector there stops charging the battery when it reaches 4.35 volts.
A volt isn't a measure of the amount of power in a battery. Let's use the analogy of a jug of water - volts would be the rate that water comes out of the jug, or more specifically, the water pressure. Amps (milliamps in this case) would be the size of the hole, and mAh would be the amount of water in the jug. Voltage was raised .05 volts - more water coming out would drain the jug faster, so they put more water in the jug to compensate. The system draws more power - they were just compensating. I don't know the actual screen-on-time, but I would expect them to be pretty much the same.
now that's a something bigger battery is limited to software hmm... Thanks Jerry for awesome work..
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Just to add this to the discussion. A 0,05V delta is even for micro-electronics a quite small difference. As I own like 20 or even more lithium-ion batteries for modelmaking for example and a really good charger which is precise to 0.01V that same models of batterys can have up to 0.1V voltage difference or sometimes even more. Furthermore the voltage drops from degeneration. I can assure you that battery would work on the OnePlus3. It might not fully charge because the charging electronics think it's the other battery but it would work...
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The OP3T battery should work. It just won't fully charge. You need to change the end voltage trigger from 4.35 to 4.4
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Source https://www.chinamobilemag.de/news/oneplus-3-akku-kapazitaet-gefallen.html
Seems legit, it's an empirical evidence ...so oneplus ****ed us again??
Someone check pls with a different usb powermeter and with a custom rom
Thread title is a bit harsh. Thats not proven yet.
They tested over months with several devices but not a single time with a custom rom and kernel?
This already sounds a bit strange. This should have been the first thing to test if they want a serious proof.
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Thread title is a bit harsh. Thats not proven yet.
They tested over months with several devices but not a single time with a custom rom and kernel?
This already sounds a bit strange. This should have been the first thing to test if they want a serious proof.
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I can confirm the OP.
Same "issue" here on my OP3with a custom rom & kernel.
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I can confirm the OP.
Same "issue" here on my OP3with a custom rom & kernel.
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You tried with powermeter?
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You tried with powermeter?
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AccuBattery and a powermeter between charger and phone.
Have yet to see any reputable site report on this, until then I'm going to assume this is sensationalizing
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Have yet to see any reputable site report on this, until then I'm going to assume this is sensationalizing
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That's pretty normal.. We ship a 3000mAh battery. Since we can not fully discharge a battery (since that would kill it) we do not get the full capacity.. I've had this on multiple phones nothing new..
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That's pretty normal.. We ship a 3000mAh battery. Since we can not fully discharge a battery (since that would kill it) we do not get the full capacity.. I've had this on multiple phones nothing new..
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Not necessarily, 18650 (li-ion) batteries like the Sony VTC4 that's rated at 2100mah can discharge its full 2100mah before being below 3.3V which is the limit. Despite being 4.35V in our phones, at 0% battery, the battery is at around 3.65V. To get the full mAh you would probably have to discharge it till 3.5V but that would reduce the quantity of charge cycles it would handle.
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Not necessarily, 18650 (li-ion) batteries like the Sony VTC4 that's rated at 2100mah can discharge its full 2100mah before being below 3.3V which is the limit. Despite being 4.35V in our phones, at 0% battery, the battery is at around 3.65V. To get the full mAh you would probably have to discharge it till 3.5V but that would reduce the quantity of charge cycles it would handle.
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Currently my 3 phones all discharge to 3.5V... That's around the point that you hit 0%. Now if you would discharge it to 3.3 wouldn't that littery kill the battery?? R
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Currently my 3 phones all discharge to 3.5V... That's around the point that you hit 0%. Now if you would discharge it to 3.3 wouldn't that littery kill the battery?? R
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Well the VTC4 is a 4.2V max li-ion so 3.3V is the limit.
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Well the VTC4 is a 4.2V max li-ion so 3.3V is the limit.
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I clearly don't know as much as you on batteries prob x). So what do you think? Is it normal? Did they do it on purpose?
If this is true, I don't care what reason, and I lost 500 mah in few months this is my last oneplus mobile
Prob had to do it so dash charge can do 30 minutes, if it was 3000mAh as claimed it may have taken 40 minutes and that's not as fast as 30 to 60 sounds, so I wouldn't doubt it, i don't feel I get 3000 mAh battery out of this phone, I still have to charge daily
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Prob had to do it so dash charge can do 30 minutes, if it was 3000mAh as claimed it may have taken 40 minutes and that's not as fast as 30 to 60 sounds, so I wouldn't doubt it, i don't feel I get 3000 mAh battery out of this phone, I still have to charge daily
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What do you expect... Its only 3000mAh on a high end soc. My mum lasts 4 days with 2-3hr SoT.
If this is true then xda or someone else must make it public and uncover this idiocy. I'll never ever buy a phone from them if that's true. Please xda or someone eligible make a public test to find out the truth behind this.
The Oneplus 3 was published in the same period as the Samsung Galaxy Note 7.
In my opinion, Oneplus was afraid that their batteries could eventually have the same problems as the Note 7, so they reduced the usable capacity of their batteries to 2500mAh by updating the kernel.
Maybe a kernel developer is able to find that piece of code.
Edit: That would also be a reason why they pushed the Oneplus 3T shortly after the Oneplus 3, hoping that the "small" amount of Oneplus 3 users wouldn't find out...
I'm not sure what think now
Yes, the manufacturer can modify the firmware to limit the PMIC to 2500mAh discharge only. This would probably save us quite a few cycles, not letting the battery dip below 3.5V.
What this means is that while we get a slightly lesser battery life (let's not forget, the lower the battery voltage, the faster the discharge, meaning the first 20% of your battery will last 2.5x longer than the last 20%!), at the price of prolonging the battery for about 20-25% longer. And this would mean you would need to charge 1.2 times more to diminish the effects of this change. So unless you started charging twice a day instead of once, from 0 to 100%, it should last longer on the long run, and last a bit less during the day.
OP not communicating this, however, is a big red flag.
First of all, I know that my OP3 will NOT Recognize the extra battery capacity. I know this has been asked before, but my question is not related to whether If I'll get extra battery or not.
With this being said, let me introduce my problem and possible solution. So basically I've been getting consistently bad battery life on my OP3, funny thing that I could get awesome battery life in the past, but this no longer the case. I've tried everything so don't suggest changing ROMs or Factory Reseting.
I was thinking of attempt a battery replacement myself. I have a OP3, but I wanted to put a OP3T battery on it. I know that the phone will only recognize 3400 mAh and not the full capacity of the 3T battery, but I was thinking that the 3T battery might last longer in terms of life expand. The problem with my battery is that it has lost capacity (or that's what I think it's). So my thoughts are, If I get a larger battery (even If I won't get the full capacity of it) It might last longer since If it loses capacity out of 3400 mAh, I would still only need those 3000 mAh, so gives more room for possible capacity lost. As JerryRigsEverything did the swap and seems like nothing went wrong I was wondering If it'd be possible in paper what I was suggesting.
On AliExpress the battery doesn't seem to expensive. If I were you I would go for it and try. In theory your battery should lose capacity way slower just like you said. You are not going to fully charge the battery which can have really great effect on minimizing capacity lose. Let me know if it improved your battery life! I am facing the same issue where I get 3 hours SoT max over 12 hours of not charging while my phone is asleep for 80% of the time.
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Is it even possible to somehow get the op3 to recognize it has a 3400mah battery in it? Maybe by altering firmware or something?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...lacing-3400-mah-oneplus-3t-oneplus-3-t3510883
I found this battery on AliExpress among others that claim to have bigger capacity than the original. Has anyone tried aftermarket batteries? Any advice?
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I found this battery on AliExpress among others that claim to have bigger capacity than the original. Has anyone tried aftermarket batteries? Any advice?
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Well it should work since it is the same Voltage. Voltage is a really important one. Several people have tried it on other phones and it worked fine.
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I found this battery on AliExpress among others that claim to have bigger capacity than the original. Has anyone tried aftermarket batteries? Any advice?
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You can go through this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...lacing-3400-mah-oneplus-3t-oneplus-3-t3510883
I would like to know if it works in case you buy this, brother and if it really improves the battery life. Ideally, since voltage is same it shouldn't cause any issues.
The thread of putting 3400mah 3T battery in 3 doesn't work because of different voltage.
It might work or it might not. I've seen cases on YouTube with batteries of different capacities inserted in android phone that would work, and they greatly increased the phone's life. I will try myself in the end, but I was curious if someone did it before me.. like, would it charge, would it show up as the capacity stated, will it last longer, etc
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It might work or it might not. I've seen cases on YouTube with batteries of different capacities inserted in android phone that would work, and they greatly increased the phone's life. I will try myself in the end, but I was curious if someone did it before me.. like, would it charge, would it show up as the capacity stated, will it last longer, etc
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Let me know bro, if it works. I'll also order then. Also test on both stock and custom ROMs.
Looking at the Voltages it should work.
Recently OnePlus has patched their bootloader so the phone won't boot If you swap the battery for the one of OP3T (3400 mAh).
I'm not sure what they check for determine whether is the original OP3 battery or the OP3T battery, my guesses are the Voltages or the Raw capacity of the battery.
If they check the Voltages, since the Voltage of the OP3 battery is Nominal 3.80 (V) and Charge 4.35 (V) vs the 3.85 (V) and 4.40 (V) on the OP3T battery, therefore that battery should work. But If they check the capacity of the battery that battery won't work or neither of the battery that are more than 3000 mAh
Let us know If you try it!
@XDRdaniel Answering your questions, If it works;
Yes, it should charge (as the charger/motherboard/USB Power Delivery is rated for those voltages), It might not show the full capacity but that could be modified (not big deal) but it would charge to the full capacity and Yes it should last longer, assuming that the cell used are from a good quality.
hellou guys. wanted to ask a question about battery, cause somewhere on internet i saw that battery capacity info is saved in kernel.
ive replaced stock battery 3430mah with a battery for 6200mah in google pixel 3xl. But in any battery info program and in AIDA64 it shows the same 3430 just like before replacement.
so the question is, do anyone knows how to change phone info about battery capacity?
Probably the capacity of that battery is wrong.maybe is the same or lower.and as far as I know the kernel has to be updated to the correct capacity if it's not a fake one that you buy.
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Probably the capacity of that battery is wrong.maybe is the same or lower.and as far as I know the kernel has to be updated to the correct capacity if it's not a fake one that you buy.
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ive monitored im getting charge counter more than 3430 sometimes, so i can get higher than 3430. but it cant cause of limitations of charging(it hits 100% and charging just stops)
so i dont think its fake
Battery charge is estimated through output voltage, some newer phones might have smart baterries but they are also measuring current and charging power to estimate life time. What apps and phone tells you is actually capacity propotional to voltage level. Putting a double capacity battery seems fake because of physical restrictions, again charge capacity reporting is based on kernel and you had to modifiy everytime you apply an update.
So why bother, as long as you have 8-10 sot with normal daily usage ? But are you really getting that sot's ?