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I'm kinda tired of the stock rom, neverending lacks of internal memory and my sd is empty... Now is 7mb, yesterday was 20mb of free, what I did from yesterday is 2 times call and 1 sms.
I need space, have 16 gigs SD card (900mb used) I want to remove all the build apps (facebook, htc apps...), root the phone (best would be option to fast change rooted/not rooted).
>>#Question 1: Is there a posibility to install Google Play without GMail, Maps etc?
I bought a book and want to start learning developing Android apps, now I can't do nothing on my phone because of no internal space problems.
Before that all I would like to NOT ROOT this stock rom (s-on) and backup everything (with apps, settings, photos, sms's) and store the backup to the PC and s-off it, wipe all internal memory and install something to try. When custom roms will not satisfy me I want to install this backup back and have everything as is now.
>>#Question 2: Is this possible? And how?
Installing custom roms without root ?
That can be compared to buying a Ferrari with a V2 engine.
Also, I'm not sure that it's possible.
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iXmerof said:
I'm kinda tired of the stock rom, neverending lacks of internal memory and my sd is empty... Now is 7mb, yesterday was 20mb of free, what I did from yesterday is 2 times call and 1 sms.
I need space, have 16 gigs SD card (900mb used) I want to remove all the build apps (facebook, htc apps...), root the phone (best would be option to fast change rooted/not rooted).
>>#Question 1: Is there a posibility to install Google Play without GMail, Maps etc?
I bought a book and want to start learning developing Android apps, now I can't do nothing on my phone because of no internal space problems.
Before that all I would like to NOT ROOT this stock rom (s-on) and backup everything (with apps, settings, photos, sms's) and store the backup to the PC and s-off it, wipe all internal memory and install something to try. When custom roms will not satisfy me I want to install this backup back and have everything as is now.
>>#Question 2: Is this possible? And how?
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You can take a complete backup or your current Stock ROM after rooting your device by either s-off or unlocked bootloader and install ClockworkMod recovery for your model. Then thru CWM you can take a backup. (Keep a copy safe on PC)
After this try installing your Custom ROMs of your choice.
If you are not satisfied with that, you can get back your Stock ROM thru CWM Recovery option.
Hope this may be useful. (If really, Just press 'Thanks")
I hope that without rooting or Unlocked Bootloader it is not possible to install a custom recovery such as Touch recovery or ClockworkMod Recovery. by that recovery only we are able to backup.
and it is also possible to return back to stock ROM (with Locked HBOOT and no more ***UNLOCKED*** logo by the Supervision method).
infact i checked in my A510E. so no problem....
Installing custom roms without root ?
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No, I wanted to backup not rooted stock firmware to have not rooted copy, after this root, s-off and everything what I have to do to install new fw.
You can take a complete backup or your current Stock ROM after rooting your device by either s-off or unlocked bootloader and install ClockworkMod recovery for your model. Then thru CWM you can take a backup. (Keep a copy safe on PC)
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I hope that without rooting or Unlocked Bootloader it is not possible to install a custom recovery such as Touch recovery or ClockworkMod Recovery. by that recovery only we are able to backup.
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So the only way is to first root my device (and make s-off too?) then make a backup? When I will restore this backed-up-rooted rom is a possibility to revert back it to non rooted state?
Ah, now I get it.
You can flash a custom recovery without root, use the search function to find out how.
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iXmerof said:
I'm kinda tired of the stock rom, neverending lacks of internal memory and my sd is empty... Now is 7mb, yesterday was 20mb of free, what I did from yesterday is 2 times call and 1 sms.
I need space, have 16 gigs SD card (900mb used) I want to remove all the build apps (facebook, htc apps...), root the phone (best would be option to fast change rooted/not rooted).
>>#Question 1: Is there a posibility to install Google Play without GMail, Maps etc?
I bought a book and want to start learning developing Android apps, now I can't do nothing on my phone because of no internal space problems.
Before that all I would like to NOT ROOT this stock rom (s-on) and backup everything (with apps, settings, photos, sms's) and store the backup to the PC and s-off it, wipe all internal memory and install something to try. When custom roms will not satisfy me I want to install this backup back and have everything as is now.
>>#Question 2: Is this possible? And how?
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you cannot remove any system app without root..!
by removing those gmail and maps won't increase your internel memory..it will increase space in system partition which is non-usable ..
have you tried apps2sd..?:good:
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you cannot remove any system app without root..!
by removing those gmail and maps won't increase your internel memory..it will increase space in system partition which is non-usable ..
have you tried apps2sd..?:good:
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Those apps would be removed on cfw, not this stock one - stock has to stay as is with no change, saved to PC and removed from the smartphone.
I have installed apps2sd and installed only 2 apps (keyboard and qrcode reader) on internal memory only, doesn't helps. Google Maps is unused and weights only 2mb. I have 15 apps on SD, all are needed - uninstalling one makes more place on internal too. HTC Gallery non stop cries that it's not enough space to open pictures and movies (7mb free of internal) so I have to remove the stock and use data2sd to make ext partition on SD, that's my only idea.
P.S.
Is there any way to make folders not only on desktop but on all apps menu too? I can leave Sense for this option
App2sd is no good without root.
Everything you want to do requires root.
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Those apps would be removed on cfw, not this stock one - stock has to stay as is with no change, saved to PC and removed from the smartphone.
I have installed apps2sd and installed only 2 apps (keyboard and qrcode reader) on internal memory only, doesn't helps. Google Maps is unused and weights only 2mb. I have 15 apps on SD, all are needed - uninstalling one makes more place on internal too. HTC Gallery non stop cries that it's not enough space to open pictures and movies (7mb free of internal) so I have to remove the stock and use data2sd to make ext partition on SD, that's my only idea.
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Is there any way to make folders not only on desktop but on all apps menu too? I can leave Sense for this option
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Hey,
Don't be confused or think too much. If you loose one, you will get one...!!!
If you are ready to loose warranty & clear about what you do, then go ahead.
you can get more benefits by exploring the device....
You can't touch the system files without unlocking or rooted !.
Once you are unlocked the bootloader thru HTCdev.com you can't claim your warranty, Even though you install back the Original Stock ROM (Until I know but verify).
If you are rooted you can get more benefits Like,
1.Get more internal memory by installing Link2sd !! (No other way)
2. Install latest ROM's, Etc...
Hope this will help you....
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Hey,
Don't be confused or think too much. If you loose one, you will get one...!!!
If you are ready to loose warranty & clear about what you do, then go ahead.
you can get more benefits by exploring the device....
You can't touch the system files without unlocking or rooted !.
Once you are unlocked the bootloader thru HTCdev.com you can't claim your warranty, Even though you install back the Original Stock ROM (Until I know but verify).
If you are rooted you can get more benefits Like,
1.Get more internal memory by installing Link2sd !! (No other way)
2. Install latest ROM's, Etc...
Hope this will help you....
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All you said I knew before, but thanks for helping - I very appreciate that.
I don't worry about warranty because I don't have it (self changed LCD screen after break). If root/cfw will not satisfy me I want go to non rooted state and don't lose all settings, apps, old market and everything what I have now (or cook something alone, but now I'm too green for it) - that's me by nature, I'm always making copies of anything.
I know that root is great, because of new possibilities. Mostly what I want from root is: space from SD as space for apps, OC (but pity that there is no chance for psx 3D emulation, 2D works great), firewall, deodexed files to modify some panels (add/change/remove options from ex. notification area).
Why I would to have switch between root/not rooted? Because HTC needs some licenses for advanced SDK (available on root freely) and I will test my future apps on the android state which most of peoples have - it's the only Android device I have. And not rooted state for daily use (without installing anything) is much easier I think.
This switch is not must be for me , I'm focusing to backup what I have now and then s-off it and try some cfw's.
My pathway: backup stock -> s-off/root -> root/s-off -> wipe -> install cfw. I don't want to modify stock rom without root, I don't want to touch something in stock, after backup it would be unlocked and tested, explored, modified and more more.
If it is not possible in that way I will think about some new ways what to do. It's my phone for daily use, I need it for to work and I'm not having always time to play with dev things and I'll have to fast revert back all changes (and backup what I've done to restore at free time). I don't have money for second one.
Backup stock>only possible with root/custom recovery
S-off>only possible with xtc clip
What you're asking is to run unrooted everyday, but root now and then for dev'ing. Might as well keep root for everyday use.
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Hey guys! So I had a Samsung vibrant for years before I got a 920 and rooted it. I would then of course flash roms every week. I looked over the main features of the Roms coming out for the new nexus 7 and don't see anything that I can't already do, but I may he wrong. Can you tell me what is unlocked if I root my amazing new n7? (Apps I can use if rooted , features, etc) Thanks!
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I am more than happy to answer that question for you. First: I want to shed a little light on what 'rooting' a device means, and what flashing new ROMs entails.
First and foremost: root is not required to flash new ROMs. Having root access to the file system is having full control and rights to your files. Think of it like having an Administrator account in Windows. You're free to manipulate all files on your device, including core system files, which is why you don't have root access by default; the normal end-user wouldn't know which system files do what and could delete a very important file that could soft-brick their device, or could download a malicious app that would do the same (think of it as a virus in Windows)(Protip: if you only download apps from the Play store, you're good).
Second: the only thing required to flash a new ROM is your bootloader to be unlocked, and maybe a custom recovery is required, I'm not too familiar with the stock recovery and whether or not you can flash .zips from there. Unlocking your bootloader enables you to flash unsigned images to your device, a custom ROM in this case. Here's where the confusion happens: when you flash a new ROM, it overwrites your old ROM, including the superuser status you had. Most custom ROMs have root enabled by default, which is why it seems like your old root access carried over. Think of flashing a new ROM as re-installing Windows on your computer. All of your old profiles are erased and you need to set up new ones. Having root access is like setting up your Administrator profile and using it.
Third: the benefits of rooting. I personally use root specifically for Titanium Backup, Cerberus, ES File Explorer, and franco.Kernel updater. If you don't know what those apps do, I'll explain. Titanium Backup backs up all of my apps so when I flash a new ROM, I can easily restore them, instead of having to manually re-install them from the Play store which takes time and sometimes, data. TB needs root because it's installing apps on your device automatically (after you tell it to). You can see why you would need root there. Cerberus is an anti-theft app, which needs root to remotely activate sensors like GPS, camera, take screenshots, show messages, get device info, etc. Again, you could see why root would be needed there: security. ES File Explorer (any root explorer app) needs root because, well, so you can see and manipulate files that you need superuser status to do those things. I use it for many miscellaneous reasons such as renaming my nandroid backups. franco.Kernel updater I use to tweak my kernel settings.
Now, I'm not trying to convince you to root. That is a decision that should be made by you. Having root comes with potentially negative consequences. You could mess up your ROM. The chances are very slim, and very reversible (worst-case scenario: flash new ROM), but still very real. If you don't know your way around the bootloader, or how to restore factory images to the device, it could be frustrating to fix a soft-brick caused by system files being manipulated. Still, you have XDA, full of helpful people and plenty of guides and if you have the patience to read and listen to advice, you should be able to learn how to fix your problem, should one arise.
Ok, sum-up. Having "root" is like having Administrator rights on Windows. Installing ROMs is like re-installing Windows on your computer. Recovery is like the BIOS on your computer. Therefor, root is not required to flash a new ROM, only your bootloader unlocked (possibly custom recovery). Root is nice to have, and poses almost zero risk to hard-bricking your device. Having root could soft-brick your device if you don't know what you're doing, however, and could potentially be very frustrating if you don't know your way around the bootloader and/or recovery. If you have the patience to learn or listen to advice, it can be fixed though. It's up to you to weigh the risks and rewards. One thing to keep in mind: if you only download apps from the Play store, you should be 100% A-Ok to have root. The only way to soft-brick your device then, is if you're in there poking around with files you shouldn't be messing with (so, user-error). If you do decide to root and/or flash new ROM's, I'd advise in doing it manually at first instead of using toolkits. That way, you can see what's happening, which could come in handy if something should come up later.
Well said, Johnmama.
Basically, the #1 reason I root is Titanium Backup. I do also use some additional root apps, like ES File Explorer, but I could live without them. Titanium Backup is the ONE app that I will not do without.
The majority of custom ROMs already come prerooted.
Hi,
Just joined the forum today and already used Chainfire's CF-Auto root on my Note 8 and so far so good, I have also installed Nandroind manager and nandroid online back up, along with busy box. Titanium Back up was also recommended, and that's as far as I dare go.
So, I suppose, I want to ask, where do i go next, I have no idea where to start or how to go about it. I want to install a ROM but really not sure what to do or which one is best.
How do I back things up and will they be easy to re install after I do so
I want to free up space on my SD card to an external Card too.
I have so many questions and my head is starting to hurt
Cheers
So far you seem to be doing good. You chose one of the easiest methods to Rooting, that's a great start.
Now, I would recommend making a NANDroid Backup. I've never used NANDroid Manager/Online Backup so you would have to actually mess around with it yourself. You can't go wrong if you press an option that says "Backup", so If you see an option to make a NANDroid Backup, DO IT! Once thats done, you would want to put that backup onto your computer or an external HDD.
Now Titanium Backup would be used for apps that you have installed. Example, lets say you have the game Angry Birds on your Note 8.0 and you've gotten really far. You have another Android Tablet or even an Android Phone and want to play Angry Birds on those devices but you want to pick up from where you left off. Thats where Titanium Backup would come in. But thats not the only use of it. If you Flash a ROM onto your Note 8 and you reformat your device, you will lose your progress. Well if you made a backup of your apps via Titanium, you can easily recover them! Even the apk. itself so you don't have to go to the Play Store and redownload it! You can create scheduled backups so you don't forget to do it manually yourself. You will figure out more once you use it after a while.
There's plenty of apps that will also more your installed apps on your device to your External SD Card. I use App2SD, its pretty easy to use and has never failed me so I don't bother looking for a "newer better" one.
I have never used Busy Box, I've heard of it though. I believe its just some type of Framework used in LINUX, I remember an app needed access to BusyBox and I didn't have it installed, so I just installed it to get where I wanted to go. You could find plenty of threads as to what it is and how to use it. I've never bothered unless I had to know about it for some reason.
Once you make a NANDroid, you are free to install ROMs. Choose anyone you think is good, read the posts and see if people are happy with a certain ROM. For my Note 8, I'm choosing to leave it Stock Rooted. You can also find Stock Rooted ROMs that have some extras besides what the manufacturer provides in their Devices.
There are also ROMs that will resemble what a Stock Vanilla Android device would be like, which is what the Nexus Devices that Google sell's on their Play Store such as the Nexus 4 or the older model, the Galaxy Nexus. There is a new Nexus device coming soon dubbed the "Nexus 5". Thats what I'm waiting for!
Thanks for the reply leo9891, great info.
I have backed up all my stuff with titanium and Nandroid manager. but i seem to be having trouble flashing the new rom onto the device
Am I right in thinking that I can do it through Nandroid or is there another way (via Odin)
Cheers
What was the build of your note I have emf2 and am unable to root with chainfire or the toolkit
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Now your rooted i highly recomend multi window manager its on the playstore and allows you to add ANY apps you like to multiwindow you can play a game and watch a movie at the same time, or have ebay open while on whatsapp it lets you choose what to put in the note 8s multiwindow and works very well.
Enjoy
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It's best to use either ClockWorkMod (CWM) or use TeamWinRecoveryProject (TWRP). Flash your ROM through one of those. Also be sure to follow the installation process provided in the developers thread.
I just ordered this beautiful tablet. I've never owned a tablet before. I've actually always wanted a laptop, but things are changing. I have an Amazon Kindle Fire HD from many years ago. It's actually worked pretty well for me for ebook reading, limited web browsing and email using. But, the last few months it's really started acting funny and not working right. So I've decided it's time to upgrade. Did a week's worth of research and decided this is my best option. I haven't received it yet, but I'm really excited to dig in and do a lot more than I can with my Kindle.
So that brings me here. I don't remember where, but through my research on which tablet to buy, this website was mentioned as a major resource. To be completely honest, I'm 100% lost. There are things I want to do but I don't even know where to start. I love tinkering and figuring things out, but I need a little push in the right direction.
One of the biggest things I want to be able to do is make a complete low level backup of the entire system to store on my home server should anything happen and I need to restore it.
The other big thing I want to do is remove all the excess junk that comes pre-installed that I'll never use. With such a small area of space available, having half or so used up in unnecessary stuff is just pointless.
I'm sure there are other things I can do and may want to do in the future, but for now, these are the major keys. So... any help? Did I make the right choice? What other features/functions should I be looking at or considering?
Thanks guys! Looking forward to getting a lot of great use out of my new tablet and this site.
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I just ordered this beautiful tablet. I've never owned a tablet before. I've actually always wanted a laptop, but things are changing. I have an Amazon Kindle Fire HD from many years ago. It's actually worked pretty well for me for ebook reading, limited web browsing and email using. But, the last few months it's really started acting funny and not working right. So I've decided it's time to upgrade. Did a week's worth of research and decided this is my best option. I haven't received it yet, but I'm really excited to dig in and do a lot more than I can with my Kindle.
So that brings me here. I don't remember where, but through my research on which tablet to buy, this website was mentioned as a major resource. To be completely honest, I'm 100% lost. There are things I want to do but I don't even know where to start. I love tinkering and figuring things out, but I need a little push in the right direction.
One of the biggest things I want to be able to do is make a complete low level backup of the entire system to store on my home server should anything happen and I need to restore it.
The other big thing I want to do is remove all the excess junk that comes pre-installed that I'll never use. With such a small area of space available, having half or so used up in unnecessary stuff is just pointless.
I'm sure there are other things I can do and may want to do in the future, but for now, these are the major keys. So... any help? Did I make the right choice? What other features/functions should I be looking at or considering?
Thanks guys! Looking forward to getting a lot of great use out of my new tablet and this site.
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Root with chain fire root, flash via Odin.
This will allow you to have root access allowing you to remove unwanted app amongst other things
Flash via Odin: TWRP Recovery for Chagallwifi (assuming it's a Samsung T800)
This will allow you to create a back up.
I believe the order of this can be inverted. IE. Flash recovery with Odin and then have TWRP flash the CFAutoroot zip and the SuperSU (the app that will "manage" your root)
Install Titanium Back up and freeze/uninstall unwanted apps. There are lists of removable apps on the forums. I prefer to freeze but it's up to you.
!!!Make a backup prior to this step!!!
Will update post when I am home with more suggestion's.
Thanks, that's somewhat helpful. At least it give me the names of programs. I have no idea what I'm doing though. Can you give me a link to a step-by-step guide, or at least explain what the different things are and what they do? Sorry for being such a noob with this.
Instructions
MAKE SURE TO DOWNLOAD THE FILES FOR YOUR SPECIFIC DEVICE (T700, T705, T800, T805, etc.)
You will need Odin (This is the software that will allow you to install the root and other files [FLASHING])
CF-AutoRoot (Will provide Root access for your device): You will be flashing this with Odin
Optional: Install custom recovery TWRP. This is also done with Odin. This will allow you to make backups and flash .zip files, including custom roms, apps, etc.
Just google for guides on rooting Samsung Galaxy Tab S. They will show you step by step on how to do the Odin flashing, PDA, settings, autoreset or not, etc.
I recommend backing up your device at this point. Reboot into recovery (instructions will be in the rooting guides), go to backup and backup everything for now. In the future when you feel comfortable enough that you can/will select to only backup what you deem necessary.
Your device is now rooted, the first boot after installing CFAutoRoot will take awhile +/-3 - 5 minutes.
Now download Titanium Backup, and you can google or search XDA for a list of "safe" things to uninstall. Just go into TitaniumBackup and look for the app you want to Freeze (This will prevent the app from running but it will NOT delete it, thus it will still take up space) or Remove.
Busybox: Will be required by certain apps.
Optional:
Link2SD App, this allows you to install/move/link your apps to the SD Card, it essentially frees up your internal memory of the device and tricks the device into installing apps and their data files onto your second partition of your External SD Card (Google or Search XDA for guides on Link2SD). This will allow you to install a lot more apps than you normally would be able to. (Example: Vice City, San Andreas, Plants vs Zombies, etc. I mention these because of their large data size). Not all apps will work when linked, just trial and error. I can't seem to get Word, Excel, Powerpoint linked to my SD Card without at least one of the failing, same with Facebook. You will have to test each app and see what files you can link/bind and which you can't.
Adblock Plus: Self explanatory
Xposed: A bunch of customization options for your device
ES File Explorer Pro: The best file management/directory app IMO
Greenify: Battery saver
Aptoide: Secondary App Store
Hancom Apps: I feel these work better on occasion then the Microsoft Office apps (Example large excel files with multiple formulas and filters)
NovaLauncher: Custom launcher, a lot more customizations then TouchWiz will provide you. (Your home screen)
Tasker: Limitless possibilities with this app (Search google/XDA for info)
TWRP Manager: TWRP Recovery app.
VLC: Video player
4way_multiwindow: This will allow you to have 4 apps open at a time and 3 apps "minimized", this also allows floating windows (Moveable apps running in "windowed mode" essentially.) There is an aesthetic bug when minimized, I have not found a fixed version of this yet, maybe others can provide link. Just load up TWRP manager and choose install, and select the .zip file and it will reboot into recovery and install the file for you. Or you can boot your device into recovery and install it the same way. I am attaching the .zip file.
If you are happy with your device up to this point, I would create another backup after you are done with the initial set up and have installed the apps of your choosing. Save a copy on the device, PC, NAS, etc. just in case you lose one of your copies. Some TWRP versions do not allow you to backup directly to the external SD Card, you may have to backup into the Internal and then transfer the information over to the external SD Card.
Good Luck.
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Root with chain fire root, flash via Odin.
This will allow you to have root access allowing you to remove unwanted app amongst other things
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Is this the link I should be using? I'll know for sure what it's model number is once I receive the tablet. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/development/root-cf-autoroot-twrp-t800-t3079488
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Flash via Odin: TWRP Recovery for Chagallwifi (assuming it's a Samsung T800)
This will allow you to create a back up.
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Doesn't installing Chain Fire Root via the previous link also contain the TWRP Recovery? Or is this a special version I need to install after running the first root through Odin? What is Chagallwifi?
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I believe the order of this can be inverted. IE. Flash recovery with Odin and then have TWRP flash the CFAutoroot zip and the SuperSU (the app that will "manage" your root)
Install Titanium Back up and freeze/uninstall unwanted apps. There are lists of removable apps on the forums. I prefer to freeze but it's up to you.
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This is just an app I get from the Google Play store right? Or is there a special version I need to get, or install manually? I think I saw in a YouTube video that I need to install something called GApps if I want install something from there after rooting, is this correct? Also, if Titanium Backup IS an app, how can I get a backup of the entire system when I'm booted into the OS? I think I read somewhere, or saw screenshots that show this basically creates backups of your installed programs, so you can easily restore them without having to re-download them. Maybe I'm wrong, as I said I'm completely new this and probably don't know what I'm talking about.
My biggest concern is that I'll screw something up and find myself with a tablet I can't use, without having had it no more than a couple days, and having spent nearly $600 for it and the accessories. I know that rooting/etc voids the warranty, but I also have seen where people are able to put the whole system back to factory default for repairs, etc. That sounds like something I really need to learn how to do and be confident I can do should something happen.
Thanks again for any help!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/development/root-cf-autoroot-twrp-t800-t3079488
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This link works, although there are newer versions of TWRP, you can install these after however, no big deal.
Doesn't installing Chain Fire Root via the previous link also contain the TWRP Recovery? Or is this a special version I need to install after running the first root through Odin? What is Chagallwifi?
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The previous link contains TWRP, read above. The normal CF Autoroot comes with CWM Recovery I believe (A custom recovery similar to TWRP). You can use the link you posted. Chagallwifi is the "nickname" of the Galaxy Tab S 10.5 WiFi, it is one way to search for a device, the other being the model number T800, for instance or the long commercial name.
This is just an app I get from the Google Play store right? Or is there a special version I need to get, or install manually? I think I saw in a YouTube video that I need to install something called GApps if I want install something from there after rooting, is this correct? Also, if Titanium Backup IS an app, how can I get a backup of the entire system when I'm booted into the OS? I think I read somewhere, or saw screenshots that show this basically creates backups of your installed programs, so you can easily restore them without having to re-download them. Maybe I'm wrong, as I said I'm completely new this and probably don't know what I'm talking about.
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You get the app from the playstore, correct. I am not sure about GApps, I want to say it isn't necessary unless you will be installing a custom rom (you can double check this on the rooting guides, if it asks for GApps, then flash the GApps)
The system back up is done via TWRP or CWM, boot into recovery and choose backup.
Titanium Backup allows you to back up the app and its data file. So you don't lose the progress of your games. Also backs up email, WiFi passwords, etc.
My biggest concern is that I'll screw something up and find myself with a tablet I can't use, without having had it no more than a couple days, and having spent nearly $600 for it and the accessories. I know that rooting/etc voids the warranty, but I also have seen where people are able to put the whole system back to factory default for repairs, etc. That sounds like something I really need to learn how to do and be confident I can do should something happen.
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Most of the errors cause soft bricks, you can recover from these. I would recommend you backup after rooting, in case you mess something up toying with Titanium, Link2SD, SuperSU, etc. You can always use SamMobile and find a Stock Rom to flash back onto the device, again via Odin. Not sure if the KnoxTrip flag will still show up, you can trying Googling how to root without tripping Knox, I know there are methods, however I have never used them. I have soft bricked my device before, I deleted everything with TWRP, I wanted to factory reset, and I selected erase System..... scary times.
Stock Rom: SamFirm (Outdated) or Updato
Thanks for all your help and advice. I just got my tablet today. Still kinda playing around with it. I probably won't do anything for a couple of days. At least till my next day off from work (Thursday) so I can concentrate on what I'm doing. I was really scared when I first turned it on, everything was in Korean. I had to find a YouTube video showing how to go through the initial setup to change the language. All good now. Once I got it fully running, it downloaded a 350mb update and rebooted. I'm now running Lolipop 5.0.2. Is that going to cause any issues? Also, I can now confirm that it is model SM-T800.
Thanks again!
ChewVodka, once your past the learning curve rooting etc. can be done in your sleep. After some research, I rooted a 10.1 tab 4 a while back with no problem. Definitely better o have more control over the device, I think. Just got a new 10.5 also, and am looking around for the best way to administer the Android system - the Galaxy Tab S for Dummies book seems to me to be actually a good place to start. I'll check back here with any choice info I find on the 10.5.
Also, I have this case for my 10.1, and this is the best under $20 case you can get for the 10.5 - so cheap I bought two of them! Type in search: Xtra-Funky Exclusive Samsung Galaxy Tab S, 10.5 -- the black and navy blue are cool -- the others kinda garish.
Easy Way, allow installation of 3rd party apps in settings download this for android https://kingroot.net/ run it select install anyway when you get the pop up, and root device , open Playstore download flashify for root users, run it allow it access , click recovery image then download twrp choose the 3.0.2-0 release and install to your tab and reboot into recovery, at this point you can use it to make a backup of your current rom or install a custom rom (following the directions on the page for the rom that you choose), this is easier method if you aren't familiar with odin and don't have the drivers and all set up on pc. You can also change kingroot over to super user in a few different ways can download and use supersume from play store and run it or, just flash the newest superuser in twrp and remove whats leftover from kingroot manually after reboot. If you intend on doing a custom rom i suggest choosing first and having all files available before you start. However if you intend on using odin You might want to install this first http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317790 so you have full communication with the device in case anything does go wrong there will be other options. This is of course if you are not already setup with this already. Also I would like to note there are a few roms here based on the stock firmware if you like it just look through the forum see what you like, and read everything.
What are the benefits to a custom ROM? I assume you're talking about things like Cyanogenmod. There are some people in another forum I visit that like it, but I don't know what it is or why I would want it. Does it allow installing pirated software or something? It's probably not allowed to be discussed here, and I'm not saying I would purposely do something like that (not that I wouldn't if possible lol). It all comes down to the fact that I'm completely new to the tablet world, other than the fact that it's a bigger and better Kindle Fire that I can get more usage out of by not being limited to Amazon's ROM and store for apps. The biggest things I'm looking to do is get rid of bloatware that came preinstalled (of which a lot was added with the update) and the ability to make backups of the entire system should something screw up.
It sounds like "rooting" is essentially giving you the administrative control access to the system (like in Windows) instead of being limited to a generic "user". That allows you to install more system accessible programs, where a generic user would get a UAC prompt and then be told and Administrator needs to preform that action. As for "recovery", it sounds like that is sort of like the CMOS/BIOS of a PC. It's the first "program" that runs when you boot up (even requiring a specific keypress to enter). This allows you to access the system before the system boots, to get you backup/restore functions, and the ability to install new OS's. It also sounds like the built in version from Samsung is what is getting changed (like updating the BIOS of the PC) to allow more functionality (like backups, etc). The only thing you don't have access to is stuff like disk drives, but things like RAM and CPU can be adjusted once you have ROOT.
The more I learn about it, the more I'm eager to do it. I really don't like feeling confined to a predetermined set of available things to do, and I really don't like having somebody decide to install software I'll never use on my system that just takes up space. I especially hate that said programs can't even be uninstalled. Looks like this is what I'm gonna have to do!
Decided not to wait and rooted it tonight. I have the freedom now to play, though I'm not sure where to start. Currently I have the CF-Autoroot thing done, and it installed SuperSU. Then I did the TWRP recovery, and made a backup of all the partitions. I was kinda hoping I could backup remotely (like on the computer) rather than stored on the same device. I have a microSD card ordered and on the way, so my next task will be to back up to that. There is a tool I use on my Kindle Fire called ES File Explorer. I'll see if I can get that on this. Then I can find the backup and transfer it over the wifi.
I'll check out your other recommended apps as I have time. Thanks again!
Now I'm having a bunch of trouble. I was able to get the Chainfire root to go through, and verified it with a Root Checker. I then installed the TWRP recovery so I could make a backup. I even have a few backups. Then I went and installed an app called TWRP Manager, that was supposed to enable me the option of making backups LIVE (without having to boot into TWRP). It wasn't working, so I went to do a "Classic Backup" which reboots into TWRP and starts the backup then reboots normally. Well, TWRP never booted. I just had a black screen. Nothing seemed to work. I couldn't power on with the power button, and I couldn't manually boot into TWRP. The only option that did anything was ODIN (Download) Mode. I'm really freaking out at this point. I found a way to connect to XDA's IRC Channel and talked with some really nice guys and was told to try re-flashing the stock. I did that, and it worked. But now I'm stuck again. Basically starting from scratch with a stock system, I went through to install the Chainfire root again. It seemed to work ok, and SuperSU showed up. Ran the Root Verifier and it confirmed it was successful. I then went to flash TWRP. ODIN says it passed, but I still can't boot into it. Here's the kicker.. even if it appears that it's not working, if I do the keypresses on my tablet correctly and wait like 2-3 minutes then try again, TWRP will actually be up but the screen locked. WTF??
So did I something wrong? I'm really lost. Like I told the guys in the chatroom, I'm going on blind faith here, not really knowing what I'm doing. I figured once I have stock installed, I'm basically back to square one and can go through the whole process again. Doesn't seem to be working. I have to go to work now but hopefully somebody has something of a suggestion I can try by the time I get home.
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4way_multiwindow: This will allow you to have 4 apps open at a time and 3 apps "minimized", this also allows floating windows (Moveable apps running in "windowed mode" essentially.) There is an aesthetic bug when minimized, I have not found a fixed version of this yet, maybe others can provide link. Just load up TWRP manager and choose install, and select the .zip file and it will reboot into recovery and install the file for you. Or you can boot your device into recovery and install it the same way. I am attaching the .zip file.
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Before I try this myself and bootloop, would I be safe flashing the 4way multiwindow on the new stock 6.0.1 ROM? (SM-T805)
So i'm really interested in upgrading to 7.1.2 so i can install new camera app so i can use ZSL
i've been holding off on upgrading past MM because i need my customization and control from xposed
there is an unofficial xposed, so that will help ease me over till the official gets released
my question is, what happens if i keep xposed and do the upgrade via flashfire
do i need to uninstall all my xposed modules then xposed before i upgrade?
my phone is rooted already, so i know that when i upgrade via flashfire, i will still be rooted
at the same time i want to try out magisk
if i do this, am i suppose to unroot, upgrade, then install magisk? or does it not matter
also, i will be obviously making a backup of my phone, so i should be completely safe to play around with everything right?
any advice welcomed
update
well, i messed up
everything was working, but xposed didn't play nicely, so i attempted to restore my twrp backup and now it's failing
i used adb backup twrp command and saved it directly to my pc since my 16gb didn't have enough space
i checked off everything except for the last check box efs, this created a 10gb .ab file
when i tried to restore it, it restarts the phone during/after system and boots into the google blank screen with unlock icon
the closest thing i've googled so far is this: https://github.com/omnirom/android_bootable_recovery/issues/133 which says it might have some issue because of the compression...
(note that i did not password protect the backup)
i'm wondering if this is the problem, can i uncompress the .ab file from my computer and manually install each of the components?
very tired and exhausted from this, hopefully someone has an idea of what i should do