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I’ve been baffled by what I’ve been hearing and reading about the bootloader is being locked and the late delivery of Android updates for Defy and other handsets from Motorola. I would like to request Motorola to make official statements about the very same concerns almost all their customers have.
In my opinion, Motorola is not being sincere about the mess they are into. Motorola has a long history for being far slower in delivering updates compared to other manufacturers. In my case, after owning my Defy for nearly six months I still don’t have the Android version (Froyo 2.2) I wanted on day one. My handset is now too old and too slow compared to what I can buy in today’s market with latest version of Android on most of them.
I often see people acting as Motorola’s spokesperson by saying the cause of the delay is due to the test mobile network provider has to perform. I would like to see a written statement from Motorola saying just that please. For a company is very easy to hire a small PR Firm to spread rumours on the internet and people often fall in that trap and spread the rumour all for free behalf the company.
Motorola must be aware of its customer frustrations with the late updates. Supposedly, this is the fault of Mobile Network Providers, why then Motorola doesn’t release latest Android with their handsets to avoid comments like mine? This is a clear indication to me Mobile Network Providers cannot be blamed and this must have to do with a policy Motorola has. Why other manufacturers are not affected by the very test process? Didn’t Samsung release a fix update globally for SGII only after weeks?
This is what I understood from manufactures’ spokesperson (users claiming to know everything). Bootloader is locked because of Mobile Network Providers’ demand. I bought my mobile sim-free from a retail, why the bootloader is still locked then? This is another lie from manufacturers, not just Motorola. Has anyone seen an official statement from any manufactures explaining who the decision was made by? I’d predict no one can provide such evidence.
The bootloader fiasco is all about reducing repair cost whilst the handset is under warranty. That means it is possible for a manufacturer to calculate the cost of a handset with locked bootloader and without. Is the saving made by locking the bootloader passed on to the customer?
Motorola is the most arrogant company I have ever dealt with and they should be disgraced with the level of service they have provided for their customers. I have reached to the point that the hardware quality no longer matters to me when I feel being ripped off by Motorola. I have already boycotted Nokia for selling spying equipment (tracking & listening) to countries such as Iran and now I refuse to spend my hard earned money on Motorola’s products for their poor services.
Companies have the right to earn money, but not at the cost of ripping people off or even worst at the cost of endangering people lives.
You are totally wrong.
And if you don't like your defy dont buy motorola again or install cm7
Ov3rd0se said:
You are totally wrong.
And if you don't like your defy dont buy motorola again or install cm7
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Who are you? Are you playing God in here? Who asked your opinion about my alternative solutions?
Why your first ever post submission (1 post, 25 May 2011) has to do with telling me off? You did not provide any valuable arguments as to why I was wrong.
I think there is a post for a petition in unlocking the boot loader. As for updates. 2.2 has already been released last march. even if motorola is like that, ur defy is still a great phone comparable to the latest phones because you have the support of great developers and forumers here.
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I think there is a post for a petition in unlocking the boot loader. As for updates. 2.2 has already been released last march. even if motorola is like that, ur defy is still a great phone comparable to the latest phones because you have the support of great developers and forumers here.
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Thank you for your comments.
UK yet to receive (25 May 2011) Froyo. Motorola claims to release Froyo to select countries in Europe. Another lie from them. The only European country has recieved Froyo is France. Motorola all the sudden turned their attention to East-Asia and started releasing updates in the respective countries and forgot all other European countries. I'm referring to Retail version not sim-locked version of Defy.
Just my two cents but although developers love unlocked bootloaders, truth is the majority of end users (customers) don't need or care about flashing their phone and especially flashing a bootloader to load custom kernals. I believe you're right in the biggest factor for Motorola or any manufacturer locking the bootloader is to keep costs down with regards to repairs under warranty - and can you blame a company for that?
I think it would be nice to see real numbers and costs associated as to how many phones are returned to M (or any other manufacturer) under warranty in where it's believed the user bricked the phone...I know if I owned a business I wouldn't want to dish out free phones every time someone bricked their phone because they wanted to hack it on their own accord.
So - even though a locked bootloader essentially eliminates the ability to flash a custom kernal, there are still tons of amazing custom roms that can be developed and flash away all day without fear of bricking the phone. Kinda best of both worlds, a good compromise...isn't that what life is about
Also - even though a custom kernal can't be flashed...you can still have a port like CM7/MIUI etc so you can keep up with the newest OS even when the carrier/manufacturer is slow to upgrade...although not a true port without the kernal but nevertheless you still are running the newest OS.
If they sold a retail version with an unlocked bootloader, carriers will lose sales. The bootloader issue was known for a long time, if you didn't like the fact that the bootloader is locked, you shouldn't have bought a Motorola android phone.
Suck it up. It's your fault, want to do something useful? send a complaint to Motorola and sign the petition.
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If they sold a retail version with an unlocked bootloader, carriers will lose sales. The bootloader issue was known for a long time, if you didn't like the fact that the bootloader is locked, you shouldn't have bought a Motorola android phone.
Suck it up. It's your fault, want to do something useful? send a complaint to Motorola and sign the petition.
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Please point to my comment where I'm complaining about "my phone" being locked and I've been desperate for custom roms? The point of mentioning about the bootloader was to highlight the lies and the unfounded truth some people spread around. I would never use a custom ROM not even with an unlocked bootloader.
On that note, HTC announced today they are reviewing their bootloader policy. You can read more about it here. I guess this news alone proves my earlier point that people are spreading unfounded facts blaming Mobile Network Providers over the bootloader.
Companies has their own rights to manufacture devices under their own policies in term of locking here and there and this normally applied to telco service provider agreements too between them. So pointing Motorola alone is not a good idea as they have their rights all along. Comparing companies like Motorola and another company like HTC is another scenario where different company have different policies they followed or what they wanted they own product be in the market..
If one doesn't like a company policies for being late in upgrading or poor in responding customer feedback. Then there's always another company to choose with. Do survey and then make the purchase when all the details fit you.
And not forgetting that average people doesn't bother with this upgrading software or the hype about bootloader inside out. Most of them just use it the way it is by default when they got it from the shop. Only selective peoples like us here care about these being the first or the last or having the latest software here and there and this is why we have this XDA to support peoples like us. Some of us already running Froyo way back in November last year(if I'm not mistaken) while Motorola might just starting their own Froyo development project on Defy that time.
After all, I do see Motorola did a good job in reviving their phone manufacturing and come back compete with others big companies. So if you buy Motorola phone, you should come here and start flash it and customised it to your own preference as there are a lot of peoples love Motorola and do it freely...
You vote with your wallet, so buying a phone from a company known to deliver few and far between updates with a locked boot loader shows that you don't mind a locked bootloader and are satisfied with the initial state of the phone needing no updates.
And as I've mentioned in my earlier post, if Motorola launches an unlocked bootloader RETAIL version of a phone, the grand majority of power users will buy the retail version and consequently decrease the carriers' sales.
As you mentioned you are not happy with Motorola because of the late update and the locked bootloader. Those 2 issues were known.
IMO the carriers have an upper hand over here, because of the price reduction they can offer. Not everyone can shell out 500-700$ for a high end phone every 6 months. I understand what you mean, its disappointing and not a totally honest move from Motorola. Next time I'll buy a samsung or a SE since they promised more open phones.
who is this sh1t?
When I bought the Defy, I knew about the slow update policy of Motorola, I knew about the locked bootloader. I knew that if I would buy an HTC phone I would have updates sooner, I would have custom roms with custom kernels. I also knew that would cost me about 100 euros more, give me lower sound quality, a more vulnerable phone. So I had to make a choice, en chose the Defy. You could have known the same, regardless of what companies say. Just read about different phones on forums like this.
Hardly any company will be 100% honest about their money-making policies. Just use your common sense and you'll know that almost every buisness has only one core buisness: to make money. Some companies will give you more service, other companies give less service to be able to lower the prices of their products. It's up to you to make a choice what you value more. I chose for a lower price and some restrictions in customizing and a tougher phone. You maybe should have chosen to pay a bit more to have more freedom.
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You vote with your wallet, so buying a phone from a company known to deliver few and far between updates with a locked boot loader shows that you don't mind a locked bootloader and are satisfied with the initial state of the phone needing no updates.
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I bought Defy base on the promise of Froyo but didn't expect six months of wait. Why it takes a global company about six months to release an update? It is not like they are doing all the Android development, is it?.
I don't understand why you are blindly defending Motorola. Without our money Motoroal would be nothing. I will survive without a Mobile phone but does Motorola survive without our money?
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IMO the carriers have an upper hand over here, because of the price reduction they can offer. Not everyone can shell out 500-700$ for a high end phone every 6 months. I understand what you mean, its disappointing and not a totally honest move from Motorola. Next time I'll buy a samsung or a SE since they promised more open phones.
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At least in the UK, with 24 months contract you are not saving anything on the handset itself. Some plans actually work out even more expensive. Please name a business that passes on the savings to the customers? They are greedy and you are happy to defend them all for free.
Fotogravin said:
When I bought the Defy, I knew about the slow update policy of Motorola, I knew about the locked bootloader. I knew that if I would buy an HTC phone I would have updates sooner, I would have custom roms with custom kernels. I also knew that would cost me about 100 euros more, give me lower sound quality, a more vulnerable phone. So I had to make a choice, en chose the Defy. You could have known the same, regardless of what companies say. Just read about different phones on forums like this.
Hardly any company will be 100% honest about their money-making policies. Just use your common sense and you'll know that almost every buisness has only one core buisness: to make money. Some companies will give you more service, other companies give less service to be able to lower the prices of their products. It's up to you to make a choice what you value more. I chose for a lower price and some restrictions in customizing and a tougher phone. You maybe should have chosen to pay a bit more to have more freedom.
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Those people bought Motorola CLIQ were promised updates but Motorola didn't deliver. I guess that is ok by you because Motorola didn't force them to buy anything from them in the first place. And the millions of dollars Motorola spends advertising is just to show off their products to other companies not to encourage us consumers to depart from our money.
My friend, there is no relation between you are being happy with your purchase from Motorola and the rest of us has to shut up about not being happy.
I'm not going to mention the Defy's earpiece fiasco.
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i’ve been baffled by what i’ve been hearing and reading about the bootloader is being locked and the late delivery of android updates for defy and other handsets from motorola. I would like to request motorola to make official statements about the very same concerns almost all their customers have.
In my opinion, motorola is not being sincere about the mess they are into. Motorola has a long history for being far slower in delivering updates compared to other manufacturers. In my case, after owning my defy for nearly six months i still don’t have the android version (froyo 2.2) i wanted on day one. My handset is now too old and too slow compared to what i can buy in today’s market with latest version of android on most of them.
I often see people acting as motorola’s spokesperson by saying the cause of the delay is due to the test mobile network provider has to perform. I would like to see a written statement from motorola saying just that please. For a company is very easy to hire a small pr firm to spread rumours on the internet and people often fall in that trap and spread the rumour all for free behalf the company.
Motorola must be aware of its customer frustrations with the late updates. Supposedly, this is the fault of mobile network providers, why then motorola doesn’t release latest android with their handsets to avoid comments like mine? This is a clear indication to me mobile network providers cannot be blamed and this must have to do with a policy motorola has. Why other manufacturers are not affected by the very test process? Didn’t samsung release a fix update globally for sgii only after weeks?
This is what i understood from manufactures’ spokesperson (users claiming to know everything). Bootloader is locked because of mobile network providers’ demand. I bought my mobile sim-free from a retail, why the bootloader is still locked then? This is another lie from manufacturers, not just motorola. Has anyone seen an official statement from any manufactures explaining who the decision was made by? I’d predict no one can provide such evidence.
The bootloader fiasco is all about reducing repair cost whilst the handset is under warranty. That means it is possible for a manufacturer to calculate the cost of a handset with locked bootloader and without. Is the saving made by locking the bootloader passed on to the customer?
Motorola is the most arrogant company i have ever dealt with and they should be disgraced with the level of service they have provided for their customers. I have reached to the point that the hardware quality no longer matters to me when i feel being ripped off by motorola. I have already boycotted nokia for selling spying equipment (tracking & listening) to countries such as iran and now i refuse to spend my hard earned money on motorola’s products for their poor services.
Companies have the right to earn money, but not at the cost of ripping people off or even worst at the cost of endangering people lives.
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listen fast judger , i don't care about the update that what is about to be released , the point is that you can work smoother than iphone.
Second thing is you will never get the full control of any other company such as samsung and htc.
Each one has it's on bad staff ,so if you feel damn bad just try others and live the disappointing.
CSharpHeaven said:
I’ve been baffled by what I’ve been hearing and reading about the bootloader is being locked and the late delivery of Android updates for Defy and other handsets from Motorola. I would like to request Motorola to make official statements about the very same concerns almost all their customers have.
In my opinion, Motorola is not being sincere about the mess they are into. Motorola has a long history for being far slower in delivering updates compared to other manufacturers. In my case, after owning my Defy for nearly six months I still don’t have the Android version (Froyo 2.2) I wanted on day one. My handset is now too old and too slow compared to what I can buy in today’s market with latest version of Android on most of them.
I often see people acting as Motorola’s spokesperson by saying the cause of the delay is due to the test mobile network provider has to perform. I would like to see a written statement from Motorola saying just that please. For a company is very easy to hire a small PR Firm to spread rumours on the internet and people often fall in that trap and spread the rumour all for free behalf the company.
Motorola must be aware of its customer frustrations with the late updates. Supposedly, this is the fault of Mobile Network Providers, why then Motorola doesn’t release latest Android with their handsets to avoid comments like mine? This is a clear indication to me Mobile Network Providers cannot be blamed and this must have to do with a policy Motorola has. Why other manufacturers are not affected by the very test process? Didn’t Samsung release a fix update globally for SGII only after weeks?
This is what I understood from manufactures’ spokesperson (users claiming to know everything). Bootloader is locked because of Mobile Network Providers’ demand. I bought my mobile sim-free from a retail, why the bootloader is still locked then? This is another lie from manufacturers, not just Motorola. Has anyone seen an official statement from any manufactures explaining who the decision was made by? I’d predict no one can provide such evidence.
The bootloader fiasco is all about reducing repair cost whilst the handset is under warranty. That means it is possible for a manufacturer to calculate the cost of a handset with locked bootloader and without. Is the saving made by locking the bootloader passed on to the customer?
Motorola is the most arrogant company I have ever dealt with and they should be disgraced with the level of service they have provided for their customers. I have reached to the point that the hardware quality no longer matters to me when I feel being ripped off by Motorola. I have already boycotted Nokia for selling spying equipment (tracking & listening) to countries such as Iran and now I refuse to spend my hard earned money on Motorola’s products for their poor services.
Companies have the right to earn money, but not at the cost of ripping people off or even worst at the cost of endangering people lives.
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I think ur very disappointed with Companies like Motorola for Locked Boot loader and no Updates and ur Phone lags.....So why don't you buy Nokia 3210..No bootloader problem and no Update problem and it never Lags...
I believe they will soon. If another don't why they need to.
Samsung : Unlock
LG : Unlock
SE : Able to Unlock
HTC : Reviewing
CSharpHeaven said:
I’ve been baffled by what I’ve been hearing and reading about the bootloader is being locked and the late delivery of Android updates for Defy and other handsets from Motorola. I would like to request Motorola to make official statements about the very same concerns almost all their customers have.
In my opinion, Motorola is not being sincere about the mess they are into. Motorola has a long history for being far slower in delivering updates compared to other manufacturers. In my case, after owning my Defy for nearly six months I still don’t have the Android version (Froyo 2.2) I wanted on day one. My handset is now too old and too slow compared to what I can buy in today’s market with latest version of Android on most of them.
I often see people acting as Motorola’s spokesperson by saying the cause of the delay is due to the test mobile network provider has to perform. I would like to see a written statement from Motorola saying just that please. For a company is very easy to hire a small PR Firm to spread rumours on the internet and people often fall in that trap and spread the rumour all for free behalf the company.
Motorola must be aware of its customer frustrations with the late updates. Supposedly, this is the fault of Mobile Network Providers, why then Motorola doesn’t release latest Android with their handsets to avoid comments like mine? This is a clear indication to me Mobile Network Providers cannot be blamed and this must have to do with a policy Motorola has. Why other manufacturers are not affected by the very test process? Didn’t Samsung release a fix update globally for SGII only after weeks?
This is what I understood from manufactures’ spokesperson (users claiming to know everything). Bootloader is locked because of Mobile Network Providers’ demand. I bought my mobile sim-free from a retail, why the bootloader is still locked then? This is another lie from manufacturers, not just Motorola. Has anyone seen an official statement from any manufactures explaining who the decision was made by? I’d predict no one can provide such evidence.
The bootloader fiasco is all about reducing repair cost whilst the handset is under warranty. That means it is possible for a manufacturer to calculate the cost of a handset with locked bootloader and without. Is the saving made by locking the bootloader passed on to the customer?
Motorola is the most arrogant company I have ever dealt with and they should be disgraced with the level of service they have provided for their customers. I have reached to the point that the hardware quality no longer matters to me when I feel being ripped off by Motorola. I have already boycotted Nokia for selling spying equipment (tracking & listening) to countries such as Iran and now I refuse to spend my hard earned money on Motorola’s products for their poor services.
Companies have the right to earn money, but not at the cost of ripping people off or even worst at the cost of endangering people lives.
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Dude.. What the hell are you talking about?? When the froyo update gets released in UK and when you flash it you will not notice any difference between the stock eclair and the froyo.. Dont simply go by the versions of android that gets released.. Check what the version of Android offers you.
Coming to your bootloader issue, What if its locked or unlocked? why the hell a layman care if he has a locked or an unlocked BL? All he wants is a fancy phone which he can use for his purpose, If the BL is not locked developers might even port windows 7 to defy but thats not what a layman wants or cares.
And coming to your policy for making money.. All companies try to make money and you talk as though samsung and nokia shell out there money for charity..
Your defy is the best mid range Android device you can get in the market, I visited tons of forums before I decided to buy it. If you are not happy with the service call the service desk or mail them.. Dont waste your time showing your agitation on Moto here.
Motorola is going to use every last days in Q2 to make sure Froyo is not released for Defy to increase the sale of their newer handsets with Froyo. I'm not happy about this dirty tactic from a company that already got my money. I suspect they will use the same dirty tactics with Atrix that I used to keep my eyes on for. I'm not going to let them trick me twice.
Exercising my rights to speak is so wonderful. Thank you XDA team for the opportunity.
CSharpHeaven said:
I bought Defy base on the promise of Froyo but didn't expect six months of wait. Why it takes a global company about six months to release an update? It is not like they are doing all the Android development, is it?.
I don't understand why you are blindly defending Motorola. Without our money Motoroal would be nothing. I will survive without a Mobile phone but does Motorola survive without our money?
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I don't know why it takes them so long, but you knew they tend to stretch update schedules, so why the hell did you buy a motorola phone? You said it right there "without our money motorola would go bankrupt" so thats why you don't buy motorola phones if you think they are doing it wrong, they'll have to adapt(better customer support,unlocked bootloader..etc) to overcome a potential crisis. They promised Froyo and you will get it, but when I don't know. You're blaming a company for your bad choices no one is making you buy their phones.
Im pretty satisfied with my purchase, It has an awesome screen size, is pretty fast and small. And for a small price. If you can't wait anymore for froyo, flash an official rom or go buy another phone. I learned it the hard way.
The phone itself is looking to be the best flagship of the year so far, but HTC should have taken a page from Apple's page book and made it available sooner. I say this because many buyers want immediate satisfaction. Not shipping until early May is a mistake. The next flagship coming down the line will be the Galaxy Note 6 which is supposed to release as early as July. You can bet there will numerous leaks about the Note 6 between now and the time the HTC starts shipping. This will make many decide to wait and see what the Note 6 has to offer.
The price of $699 is too high unless HTC throws in some value in the way of package deals like LG has done with the G5 and Samsung has done with the G7.
The price is in line with other flagships. Although they're nice, I don't need extras.
The nice thing about the freebies from the other carriers is they have some resale value if you don't want them. It lowers the price overall for just the phone.
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The phone itself is looking to be the best flagship of the year so far, but HTC should have taken a page from Apple's page book and made it available sooner. I say this because many buyers want immediate satisfaction. Not shipping until early May is a mistake. The next flagship coming down the line will be the Galaxy Note 6 which is supposed to release as early as July. You can bet there will numerous leaks about the Note 6 between now and the time the HTC starts shipping. This will make many decide to wait and see what the Note 6 has to offer.
The price of $699 is too high unless HTC throws in some value in the way of package deals like LG has done with the G5 and Samsung has done with the G7.
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wouldnt say its the best of the year it looks horrible and that finger print scanner looks weird not even central if you have ocd you pretty ****ed lol and dont get me wrong not here bashing it because i have a samsung s7 edge now as my last 3 htcs have been m7 m8 and m9 so i am a bit of a htc fan boy just i think it doesnt have the premium looks of its predecessors and sadly will be giving it a miss this year
They are including high-res earphones and a QC 3.0 charger, I think they have a pretty well priced package imo.
I think the package and price are fine. Don't forget you're getting free accident insurance with it too - and that the bootloader is unlockable thru HTCdev.
Both the HTC and Exynos S7s have some tradeoffs to make on US carriers (such as LTE band 30 support missing on the 930/935F), so it's a matter of figuring out what works best for you.
I too have the S7E, and the 10 will have a hard time beating out the Edge IMO. I've been keeping my eye on the 10, but once they replaced front facing speakers with fingerprint scanner...I was like I already own a Galaxy phone since both the A9 & 10 resemble it from the front. If they had kept front facing speakers and put scanner on the back, I would've considered returning my S7E
Front facing scanner is the right way to do it. I don't want to lift the phone from my desk if I want to quickly peek. I am so glad they went this way.
And I am fine with dual speaker setup on HTC 10. Its not the best way for stereo sound but it works way better than mono on the S7 and G5.
Unlocked bootloader is the reason I will buy this phone though!! Bravo HTC! This time its officially supported. No voiding the warranty!
Looking like the best of all so far. S7 and G5 -> can't unlock bootloader -> No sale.
If you signed up for HTC's "exclusive for HTC owners" prior to the unveiling, they promised to send a special incentive.
The email just showed up and it was for $100 off a pre-order thru HTC.
It just keeps getting better.
Superguy said:
If you signed up for HTC's "exclusive for HTC owners" prior to the unveiling, they promised to send a special incentive.
The email just showed up and it was for $100 off a pre-order thru HTC.
It just keeps getting better.
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Thanks, I was wondering when we were going to get that email. Thought maybe they forgot
The price for the unlocked version in Canada is 999$ + 10$ shipping = 1009$
Well its to expensive, lets buy a carrier branded version with a 2 years agreement... What? Bell mobility is the exclusive carrier? With a 85$/month plan? LOL
Well I guess I'll have to wait a few months before buying.
I think the price is on point with other flagships.
1) Bootloader unlocking with out voiding warranty.
2) UH OH Protection (purchased through HTC.com).
3) Quick charger and high end ear buds.
Also there WILL be discounts here and there (i.e. the current $100 off with email coupon).
Superguy said:
If you signed up for HTC's "exclusive for HTC owners" prior to the unveiling, they promised to send a special incentive.
The email just showed up and it was for $100 off a pre-order thru HTC.
It just keeps getting better.
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DAMMMMMMMM, wish I had known about it, I just signed up maybe I'll get lucky but doubt it.
52vincent said:
DAMMMMMMMM, wish I had known about it, I just signed up maybe I'll get lucky but doubt it.
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Did this work? Link please
Apparently I can share it via email. PM me your email and I'll send it.
The only thing I'm not sure about is if it's a unique promo code or not, which is why I haven't shared it publicly. If it ends up being the same, I'll gladly share it out.
NM - just saw it on Android Central and it's not unique, so here it is.
HTC1008
Superguy said:
Apparently I can share it via email. PM me your email and I'll send it.
The only thing I'm not sure about is if it's a unique promo code or not, which is why I haven't shared it publicly. If it ends up being the same, I'll gladly share it out.
NM - just saw it on Android Central and it's not unique, so here it is.
HTC1008
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WTF!!! I F'ING LOVE YOU!!!
I haven't even posted here in a long time, maybe years and I just logged in right now to tell you how awesome you are! I was in the checkout page with an $817 bill decided to fish around for some coupons and luckily stumbled back here and ended up paying $707. Big difference IMO.
THANKS AGAIN!!!
You're welcome! Glad it worked out for you!
Very big difference indeed. Did you get some accessories with it to get the price up there?
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You're welcome! Glad it worked out for you!
Very big difference indeed. Did you get some accessories with it to get the price up there?
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Yeah I got that ice case. Funny when I looked this morning the $100 deal wasn't posted on the tech blogs yet and after I saw your post I saw it on all of the blogs haha. Sucks for those that were drooling and pulled the trigger immediately!
Again no freebies but what comes in the box is better than the others so I guess it was a good deal. Thanks again!
If you put the phone in your cart and go thru the point where you have to log in with your email and then abandon your cart, I'm pretty sure they will email you a "free shipping" offer within 24 hours as well.
Of course, if you're the type that is most concerned about being at the front of the line, you might not care
$699 out the gate is steep, but it's inline with Apple and Samsung. This phone will probably be $500 by September.
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Engaget is reporting a world wide recall of the Note 7 because of exploding batteries.
Hopefully they will also deal with the Gorilla Glass 5 problem too.
Shofar1
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It seems a full recall of all phones sold. Hopefully they also replace the Samsung screen protector I bought with the phone
An official statement by Samsung.
"Statement on Galaxy Note 7
Samsung is committed to producing the highest quality products and we take every incident report from our valued customers very seriously. In response to recently reported cases of the new Galaxy Note 7, we conducted a thorough investigation and found a battery cell issue.
To date (as of September 1) there have been 35 cases that have been reported globally and we are currently conducting a thorough inspection with our suppliers to identify possible affected batteries in the market. However, because our customers' safety is an absolute priority at Samsung, we have stopped sales of the Galaxy Note 7.
For customers who already have Galaxy Note 7 devices, we will voluntarily replace their current device with a new one over the coming weeks.
We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause in the market but this is to ensure that Samsung continues to deliver the highest quality products to our customers. We are working closely with our partners to ensure the replacement experience is as convenient and efficient as possible."
Lets see what happens.
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Thank goodness I haven't gotten my unit yet!!! Long business trips do have their benefits.
One interesting takeaway from the CNN story's the quote from the President of Sammy's Mobile Communications about how much the recall's going to cost: "it is a big amount that is heartbreaking." Looks like they're going to have huge write-offs.
Maybe they'll have to bin all the batches they're recalling and the suspect ones in inventory. Then there's the issue of lost sales and some people not wanting to buy even later batches because -- well, because you never know. I mean -- Google Pixel Phone Plus (or whatever it's called) -- here I come!!!
The problem with these metal and glass devices is they can't just open these things, replace the batteries and re-ship them. Those glass backs will inevitably break during the process. The colored foil behind the glass is also going to have to be replaced. Then there's the waterproofing...
I wonder if it's simply a battery flaw or a design flaw that causes the device to overheat under certain circumstances. Global recalls like this don't just happen unless there's a very serious issue, regardless of what Sammy's lawyers wrote in their official release. I've been buying smartphones since the early days and this is the only time I can remember a recall of this scale happening.
While it's nice that Sammy was so quick to address it, it's a damn shame because the Note 7 was their best device yet.
The irony is that if Sammy had insisted on keeping their plastic designs -- the same designs we crucified them for -- or maintained removable batteries in metal-framed phones (hello Note 4!) -- this could've been addressed with in-store battery exchanges. Again, that's assuming it's not a design flaw.
And I have such a good device too. None of this user created lag or battery drain.... Sigh.
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Interestingly me and a friend of mine have not had any of the issues mentioned here "yet" battery life is amazing and no boot loop. And we were also part of the pre-order batch.
I demand compensation for my Temperglass screen!!... everything else i could backup and transfer easily... i still have to fine tune a few other setting that dont let me "backup setting"
After this Samsung's recall statement will be known worldwide, IMHO the Note 7 reputation, confidence and appeal for the customers will be heavily affected....
Therefore I personally expect the announcement of the release of a new revised model, for example a Note "7s" with a Snapdragon 821 and 6 GB of RAM, very soon, just before Christmas time, to compete with new Apple's and Google's smartphones.
what if mine is ok ?
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You think we will have the option to change color of phone in recall?
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what if mine is ok
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What if it is not? :fingers-crossed:
This is scaring me at the moment... I was one of the first to get this device in the world during it's release in Dubai.
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What if it is not? :fingers-crossed:
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That's actually a great point. I love my phone, it's performing perfectly, but you don't just do a worldwide recall because a couple people used a bad charger. They were able to recreate it.
It is sad, this is undoubtedly the best phone Samsung has ever made and it's going to be a financial and PR disaster. On the other hand, those of us who stick with it will probably get a 2nd promotional item haha.
Really sucks but yeah hopefully they will give us something free for the inconvenience or some money for the screen protectors everyone has already purchased and put on the phone...
Feel bad for them though and all of the bad pr. This is an amazing phone and I love it. I guess they will be taking quality control much more seriously in the future (they should have originally since it is the most expensive phone ever).
The phone is still to be released in the UK, was due to be released today I think. The recall will probably delay that by quite some time.
Hopefully Samsung can narrow the problem down to a specific set of serial numbers. A global recall is very unusual, and does perhaps point to a design flaw rather than the batteries.
Apple will be enjoying this...
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The phone is still to be released in the UK, was due to be released today I think. The recall will probably delay that by quite some time.
Hopefully Samsung can narrow the problem down to a specific set of serial numbers. A global recall is very unusual, and does perhaps point to a design flaw rather than the batteries.
Apple will be enjoying this...
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Today was the official date, but Carphone Warehouse gave me my N7 on Tuesday!
It's great that they're doing it but also.... uuugh, why
Also, can you imagine the after work drinks over at Apple today?
DITTO on the Screen Protector issue!
It was so dang hard to find my genuine samsung screen protectors, not to mention the cost. It came with two but used them both already since both my wife and I have the same phones. Right after I finalized my purchase from ebay (the only US seller I've found period), the guy jacked the price from $16.99 to $99 and then to a clown-shoes $299. The samsung SP is actually curved and, IMO, feels great. Hopefully I can get them to pony up a replacement set.
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It's great that they're doing it but also.... uuugh, why
Also, can you imagine the after work drinks over at Apple today?
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I bet Apple (and Samsung) have failure lights around the building that flash when theres a fail...
Apple will send everyone home early today!
BTW FOLKS next update knocks us off the networks. They are killing the phone. On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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And you are surprised by this? It has been reported this was coming.
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I'm wondering what you were trying to accomplish. Did you think you could talk them out of it? Bite the bullet. Should be some great deals this weekend in the S7E. I think tmobile is basically giving them away on contract.
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Did you actually just tried to convince them not to kill the phone over the phone?
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On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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Were you trying to get them to cut you a deal? Like committing to let you move to a S7 Edge and then guarantee that you can move for free to whatever Samsung phone you want in 2017? Multibillion dollar companies don't cut one-off side deals when they have millions of customers. They can barely sell and support what they do offer and that their systems are designed to process.
In the U.S. the deal is you get your money back for your Note7 and $100 off via a bill credit if you stay with Samsung; $25 off if you don't. That's the deal and it's not going to get sweeter because they aren't going to reward hold outs for being hold outs. That would only piss the people who "did the right thing" off even further after having to exchange phones once, maybe twice, and ending up with something they may not have wanted. Based on comments made by the Samsung VP heading the U.S. there may be something down the road in terms of an offer on the 2017 phones for those that endured the debacle that was the Note7. That has nothing to do with Sprint, isn't being committed to now, and may or may not happen depending on where the Samsung brand stands in the spring.
So the choice boils down to exchange your Note7 and take your lumps or hold on to it until it become a collectable. I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
This phone was going to be my last phone purchase and its halfway paid off.. now i have to buy another phone instead and wait sometime in the future to get the phone i actually want and start all over to pay? Well yes your right the corps screw the people and this is just one example because they messed it up. The people always pay not the corporations.
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Were you trying to get them to cut you a deal? Like committing to let you move to a S7 Edge and then guarantee that you can move for free to whatever Samsung phone you want in 2017? Multibillion dollar companies don't cut one-off side deals when they have millions of customers. They can barely sell and support what they do offer and that their systems are designed to process.
In the U.S. the deal is you get your money back for your Note7 and $100 off via a bill credit if you stay with Samsung; $25 off if you don't. That's the deal and it's not going to get sweeter because they aren't going to reward hold outs for being hold outs. That would only piss the people who "did the right thing" off even further after having to exchange phones once, maybe twice, and ending up with something they may not have wanted. Based on comments made by the Samsung VP heading the U.S. there may be something down the road in terms of an offer on the 2017 phones for those that endured the debacle that was the Note7. That has nothing to do with Sprint, isn't being committed to now, and may or may not happen depending on where the Samsung brand stands in the spring.
So the choice boils down to exchange your Note7 and take your lumps or hold on to it until it become a collectable. I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
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This phone was going to be my last phone purchase and its halfway paid off.. now i have to buy another phone instead and wait sometime in the future to get the phone i actually want and start all over to pay? Well yes your right the corps screw the people and this is just one example because they messed it up. The people always pay not the corporations.
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Think you're alone? People who bought third party or grey market are still trying to figure out how to either exchange or refund. What about people that bought accessories that are now useless and can't be refunded? What about people that used an upgrade (lease or contract) who left a phone they might have been happy with to end up with a phone they wouldn't have wasted an upgrade on?
There's a thousand tales in the cold city. Lamenting what happened isn't going to change it. I personally think Samsung U.S. will come out with some sort of program for former Note7 owners to get in to a 2017 phone more cheaply. But right now we're stuck with the hand we were dealt.
So what. The Note8 model number has leaked. Wait a few months for the N950 and stop crying
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BTW FOLKS next update knocks us off the networks. They are killing the phone. On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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You can install a coustom rom and change the model number in the buildpro to that of s7 edge
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I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
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I don't think so.
Fit for purpose? No.
Satisfactory Quality? No.
As described? No.
I don't know about the US specifically but here in the UK, goods must meet those minimum standards or the vendor MUST give you your money back, give you a repair, or give you compensation. And if they don't you can sue them in what would be a 2 minute hearing before the judge awards in your favour. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if similar consumer protection legislation did not exist in the US.
So Samsung / Sprint / Verizon / whoever will have to take a Note7 back when someone chooses to return it. Unless Samsung change their minds and decide that it's (a) safe, (b) reliable and (c) they switch the battery charging back to 100%. If they don't confirm/do all those things, you can give it back for a refund pretty much whenever you like. They cannot say, "sorry it's too late, you've had your chance" unless they make good the phone.
Samsung lost any rights to get "arsey" over late returns, the moment they started ****ing with our phones.
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IAnd if they don't you can sue them in what would be a 2 minute hearing before the judge awards in your favour.
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Out of curiosity, what reason would you provide to the judge for not availing yourself of offered remedies and intentionally holding on to a device deemed hazardous for months longer than you should have or needed to?
By the end of the year some of the things previously discussed (Samsung Account blocking, Play Services blocking, and IMEI blocking) are likely to be in place which will push all but the diehard hold outs off the Note7 and on to something else. Once some combination of those things are in place only 1-2% of Note7's will be unaccounted for. At that point Samsung will most likely care less about what happens to those remaining phones or the people clinging to them. With all that said good luck suing a multibillion dollar corporation in the UK or U.S. And no consumer protection agency in the world is going to defend someone's right to use a hazardous device for months longer than they should have. Like the title of this thread says, "The Note 7 is DEAD." And so is Samsung's caring about those that continue to defy the recall.
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Out of curiosity, what reason would you provide to the judge for not availing yourself of offered remedies and intentionally holding on to a device deemed hazardous for months longer than you should have or needed to?
By the end of the year some of the things previously discussed (Samsung Account blocking, Play Services blocking, and IMEI blocking) are likely to be in place which will push all but the diehard hold outs off the Note7 and on to something else. Once some combination of those things are in place only 1-2% of Note7's will be unaccounted for. At that point Samsung will most likely care less about what happens to those remaining phones or the people clinging to them. With all that said good luck suing a multibillion dollar corporation in the UK or U.S. And no consumer protection agency in the world is going to defend someone's right to use a hazardous device for months longer than they should have. Like the title of this thread says, "The Note 7 is DEAD." And so is Samsung's caring about those that continue to defy the recall.
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You're clearly not conversant at all with UK law.
First, Samsung have few obligations to the consumer here in the UK, unless they sold you the phone. Their only obligations relate to the warranty. I could go on about their obligations under the warranty, but I can't be bothered and anyway I don't need to because of point two.
Second, in the UK, your contract is with your seller and it is the seller who is responsible for the goods meeting the requirements of the Consumer Contracts regulations as I stated above. These obligations last for 6 years and are unconditional.
So, to answer your question as to what reason I would give to a judge, I wouldn't need to give a reason. I could say I lent it to my pet Panda who wouldn't return it. Or that I was using it as a shaving mirror. Or I could say nothing at all.
It would never go to court in the UK, because the seller knows this and knows they would lose instantly.
Remember, this is a *voluntary* recall. It is entirely the consumers' choice whether they wish to return the phone or not. The phone if already "Not of satisfactory quality", since Samsung have told us so. Now that Samsung have messed with the phone and installed this 60% charging limit, they have made the phone "Not as described", since it is sold as having a battery of 3,500 mAH capacity and now it does not. If the carriers block the phone, then it is "Not fit for purpose". Basically the phone fails ALL of the consumer protection tests, and the consumer can return it whenever they want.
Let me ask you a question: Let's suppose it went to court and the consumer says, I was sold this $1,000 phone which is (a) dangerous, (b) doesn't charge to 100% and (c) can't make phone calls and I want my money back. And Verizon's (or whoever the seller is) response is "well you had your chance to replace it so tough". Do you *honestly* think a judge would say OK then Verizon you're off the hook? Really???
And another thing. Why are you so worked up about people keeping their phones, when it's got **** all to do with you? Just curious. I am not planning on keeping mine in perpetuity, but I will hang on to it so long as it works and as late as possible so I have to wait as little time as possible before switching to an S8. Why does this offend you SO much that you have to keep visiting this forum telling people the phone is DEAD? I find your behaviour bizarre to be honest.
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And another thing. Why are you so worked up about people keeping their phones, when it's got **** all to do with you? Just curious.
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I could care less what you do. You and others that want to keep your phones are on the wrong side of history. The phone's been recalled and deemed unsafe and Samsung's offered refunds and exchanges to get them out of people's hands. Every website known to man is questioning the sanity and rationale of those holding on to their Note7's in the stories published about the progress of the recall. That's the world view, not mine.
This is a quote from Samsung (emphasis mine). Does it sound like they care about the "feelings" of people refusing to participate in the refund and exchange program?
As of today, nearly 85 percent of all recalled Galaxy Note7 devices have been replaced through the U.S. Note7 Refund and Exchange Program, with the majority of the participants opting to receive another Samsung smartphone.
We remain focused on collecting the outstanding Galaxy Note7 phones in the market. To further drive participation, we will be releasing a software update in the coming days that will limit the phone’s ability to charge beyond 60 percent, as well as issue a reminder pop-up notification every time a consumer charges, reboots or turns on the screen of their Note7 device.
Here's the front page of this forum. Feel the desperation of those trying to pretend what's happening with the Note7 isn't happening or can be avoided? It's only going to get worse. If you take a step back you'll realize you're really not angry with me or anyone else here. You're angry at an inevitable situation you can't control.
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I could care less what you do. You and others that want to keep your phones are on the wrong side of history. The phone's been recalled and deemed unsafe and Samsung's offered refunds and exchanges to get them out of people's hands. Every website known to man is questioning the sanity and rationale of those holding on to their Note7's in the stories published about the progress of the recall. That's the world view, not mine.
This is a quote from Samsung (emphasis mine). Does it sound like they care about the "feelings" of people refusing to participate in the refund and exchange program?
As of today, nearly 85 percent of all recalled Galaxy Note7 devices have been replaced through the U.S. Note7 Refund and Exchange Program, with the majority of the participants opting to receive another Samsung smartphone.
We remain focused on collecting the outstanding Galaxy Note7 phones in the market. To further drive participation, we will be releasing a software update in the coming days that will limit the phone’s ability to charge beyond 60 percent, as well as issue a reminder pop-up notification every time a consumer charges, reboots or turns on the screen of their Note7 device.
Here's the front page of this forum. Feel the desperation of those trying to pretend what's happening with the Note7 isn't happening or can be avoided? It's only going to get worse. If you take a step back you'll realize you're really not angry with me or anyone else here. You're angry at an inevitable situation you can't control.
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
Samsung and all the phone companies are doing damage control in social media.... remember that lol.
The whole situation is unprecedented but bottom line the recall is bs in general. these are not dangerous devices the devices are being pulled because they are TOO GOOD. that is the reason. If every product that failed at .0001% were recalled the store shelves everywhere would be EMPTY! The note 8 will have battery nerf for sure on it!
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
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Everyone of you have valid points. Realistically sammy made the choice for a recall in order to avoid massive lawsuits across the globe. My brother works for a top law firm and we talked about this and he said owners could and can still file for a heavy lawsuit which can help owners with better options rather than the current given.
Would be nice if people all over the world who own the device to stand up together against the corporation. That would also include not spending on any of the products they sell. If that was done for at least a month the message would be clear as they would lose revnue as well as stock market gains. Sorry if i blabbed on too much.
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
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So you are going to get yet another thread closed?
Why don't you understand that no one cares what you do with your phone. No one.
What peeves me with you is the way you insist on your rights of ownership that no one is attacking yet you constantly try to stifle threads where others, who are equally free to speak, desire to debate?
What you write about UK law is only part true. No court in the UK would find for you knowing Samsung and its retailers have been doing all they can to get the phones recalled. Samsung made a bloomer. Samsung corrected it with an international recall.
If you went to court.....No I will stop at that. Please go to court and then let us know the outcome.
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
So you are going to get yet another thread closed?
Why don't you understand that no one cares what you do with your phone. No one.
What peeves me with you is the way you insist on your rights of ownership that no one is attacking yet you constantly try to stifle threads where others, who are equally free to speak, desire to debate?
What you write about UK law is only part true. No court in the UK would find for you knowing Samsung and its retailers have been doing all they can to get the phones recalled. Samsung made a bloomer. Samsung corrected it with an international recall.
If you went to court.....No I will stop at that. Please go to court and then let us know the outcome.
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No-one cares??? That's a ****ing laugh. Have you missed the 500 posts saying anyone who chooses to keep their phone is an idiot / moron / psychopath etc.
I am not denying anyone any right of free speech Ryland. On the contrary, are you suggesting I don't have the right to question others about why they feel the need to slander anyone who wants to keep their phone for a while? How bloody ironic.
You might notice that I am not the only person who feels like they are being attacked constantly, btw. It's a recurring them on this forum and it's VERY tiresome.
And this "court" nonsense. Of course it would never go to court. I will take my phone back to CPW in December or January or whenever and they will give me a refund. End of. Sorry to disappoint you.
If my posts irritate you, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. You do not have to read them you know.
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No-one cares??? That's a ****ing laugh. Have you missed the 500 posts saying anyone who chooses to keep their phone is an idiot / moron / psychopath etc.
I am not denying anyone any right of free speech Ryland. On the contrary, are you suggesting I don't have the right to question others about why they feel the need to slander anyone who wants to keep their phone for a while? How bloody ironic.
You might notice that I am not the only person who feels like they are being attacked constantly, btw. It's a recurring them on this forum and it's VERY tiresome.
And this "court" nonsense. Of course it would never go to court. I will take my phone back to CPW in December or January or whenever and they will give me a refund. End of. Sorry to disappoint you.
If my posts irritate you, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. You do not have to read them you know.
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I notice that today you have been rude to a non English speaker about his spelling of the word "Analysis" Yet YOU, an English born speaker, write the word theme as "them"? Double standards.
In a major way my debate with you is not about the Note 7 but about your crusade for the right to keep ones freedom of ownership while stifling thread after thread, even to the point of thread closure, that no one has the freedom to debate things you disagree with here! That causes me concern with you. Freedoms apply both ways. Politeness also costs nothing.
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I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
This had also crossed my mind, if one owns Note7 until S8 Note8 is released, will samsung be willing to replace Note7 (a flagship device) for the next best thing equivalent at the time S8 Note8 is launched?
Another question also crossed my mind, regardless if I have everything that came with the phone and I am lawful owner of the phone but have no proof of purchase, will smasung still be willing to replace it for me or thats just a pipe-dream?
To my understanding, samsung cannot refuse to replace Note7 to anything but the best thing available at the time, so when note8 S8 is out etc, they shouldnt be offering S7 as a replacement at the time, what do you think?
Also, another thought (bare with me here) , samsung had 96% of 3million devices sold returned, of which 220000 were taken under very intense testing and investigations to reproduce faults and what not, so look at this now, once all is now done and clear to public, they have over 2.5 million note7 in stock that require a new safe battery replacement issue, reboxing and should sell worldwide or in some limited regions for a discounted price as a safe refurbs (some time soon I guess), they wouldnt just burry all that gold worth pile of Note7's now , would they?
I almost sense a new "Note7S" coming out some time very soon, carrying "S" on the back as being SAFE with probably reworked same capacity safe battery or with some 3000mAh battery and free wireless charging backpack battery pack case that samsung was selling for note7 phones.
Your thoughts?
Chippy_boy said:
I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
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Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
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Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
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I've got all the updates blocked mate. Have a search on this forum and you'll find plenty of ways to do that, depending on what updates your phone has had already.
Ok
It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
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Thanks
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It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
Thanks
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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Ha Ha I thought so!
I have no root firewall but not sure how to set it up being honest
I had Samsung Billing pushed to me few days ago but for some reason I cannot find it under applications in my mobile so I hope Evil Sam is not hidden there waiting to reactivate.
So really we will see after 31st what is going to happen, I really would hate to go back to Note 3 I still have, however it was also good mobile for few years back ago.
How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
M.
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How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
M.
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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
Chippy_boy said:
Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
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the same update is world wide, altering it for different countries is a minor point as the majority of the changes comes in the form of the bands and network support, if they are removing all network support all they need is something that works on the exynos hardware, also the UK phones are the international phones so they are actually used across a load of countries so it is probably a large portion of the world covered by the same update as the UK.
also as I said there is little need for the networks to do their modifications since they all come in the form of network support that has been removed in this update.
No matter what it's going to be a nightmare. I wouldn't expect it to be as simple as walking into your carrier's store and swapping out for s8 - even though I do remember someone over at Samsung saying there was going to be a discount on "the next big thing". I'm in San Jose so Im going to HQ with mine, f em.
Chippy_boy said:
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones?
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They're probably paranoid about being sued on the off chance someone else's phone blows up. It would be bad press if it happens again, probably followed by ignorant people saying that Samsung should have tried harder to stop it, etc etc, because some people have probably missed the whole thing till now and haven't noticed anything. Plus, Samsung wants to be able to say 100% recalled and returned.
FYI I don't own this device, just trying to answer this question. Maybe all of you who have it should put "Proud owner of the Note 7. Take that Samsung" or something in your sigs lol. It would be kinda funny to see.
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in my country, Mexico, there have not been, any sort of batt capping updates, or any threatening messages about anything! as no burning reports here, the consumer bureau has not issued any order or authorization on the matter, here would be unlawful to capp or restrict the use of a legally owned device, so, all very cool over here
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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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All doesnt matter and all goes against the law, just risk of hazard makes them liable indefinitely until its back at their possession and no harm caused during the time.
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees, again, its not for faint hearted, I was talking from a legal stand point.
Darkness and high-cliff edge walking heights are usually appearing dangerous things for most, until they're certain and know there is nothing dangerous/hazardous in the dark and walking the cliff edge not without protections and precautions, metaphorically speaking.
Take a case where mobile phone gets on fire and one or many people suffers fatal consequences, days, months or even years from now, and investigators dig up samsung note7, who they gonna blame? Who has the case against who? Looking from even early state all cards are against samsung where there disaster happens or not samsung should be waist deep to do whatever necessary to sort their clients out. And yes they can try to attempt "write their own laws" warning consumers, threatening with return closing deadlines, refusing to take back dangerous devices back in, blocking devices, etc its their cards their game against everyone, not that they are more than the majority, I call it one against all and no matter how much money they are worth, it can take just few big cases and they will soon realize what wrong turn things can take, not that they would be willing to take such risks when and if case is brought to the round table.
Heck, even a 3 year ago my 10+ year Honda got a safety recall letter warning about potentially defective airbag systems and all was replaced at surprisingly my convenience cost free, even the car was bought second hand and I am probably 3rd or 4th owner of that vehicle, auto manufacturers know about how this game be played out i suppose, has been in this game before or seen it happen, consequences are clear to them if potential event take place, they would not only put someone deep in dirt, they would be there themselves as a consequence, so they took no risks, and I was pleasantly surprised at the same too how much forthcoming they were to sort this out, and note - this is 10+ year old product, not much different case to the one were talking about here, and I believe if they went this far with thing such as this, how much further they would have taken things if they would have found out that these vehicle models would have been a hazardous risk of fire and explosion while driving, parked at house garage etc? Go beat this statement
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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
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I've unrooted Note7 also, dont want to touch any mods yet until its definitely necessary
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Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees
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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
While I'd love to see Samsung getting screwed right back, I can't imagine there won't be a final return date of some sort and them actually exchanging the phone for the new models. They just sound too cheap for that
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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Im not going to talk much, but that's not even serious case and analogy is just wrong. Compare this - buying matchbox to light the fire place at home but these matchboxes keep exploding and potentially setting itself on fire on random times (case #1) vs. match box that doesnt have 100% of the content or doesnt light up/doesnt burn every time you strike it (case #2).
Yes, its no brainer about law diminishing returns, if you dont have serious case and intelligent sought trough evidence, plan put together that will be serving to the finish line, and all , dreamland ego and being naive left behind - there is no chance to expect something good coming out of it.
We're talking about life threatening hazardous product here.
Have a great day.
BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Barry, my plan is to take my Note7 back to Samsung when I am ready (and not before) and ask for my money back, which I am very sure they will agree to, since they are obviously so very keen to get it back.
If in the monumentally unlikely event they say, "no, we'd like you to keep it please" (you're not REALLY suggesting that are you???!?) then I can file a small claim online in 20 minutes. It's a total no-brainer.
Sorry to disappoint you.