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Has Anyone Flown With Replacement Yet?

So, I have a new Note7 with the green battery icon (yuck) and life is good. I have a flight in about 2 weeks. It's not super long, but around 4 hours. I usually enjoy using my phone to read, listen to white noise, or watch some shows. Has anyone flown since the recall? Can I expect pushback from the security or airline staff? Has anyone actually had to turn theirs off even though they have the ugly, green icon?
I guess I'll probably grab and old-fashioned book just in case, but was just wondering what the state-of-affairs is like in the air for us now.

I've flown with my replacement, and there was no issue. No one asked about it at any point. I have a case on it, so it doesn't stand out to most people as anything other than the countless other phones they see each day.

Nobody will know what phone you have. They might announce on the plane "if you have a Note 7, please turn it off" but they don't check everyone's phone to see what model it is. Just use it.
It's not a security issue, and the TSA is clueless anyway, so they won't know or care what phone you have.

Sounds good. I know I'm not putting anyone in danger, so I won't bring any attention to myself or my phone. I did call Southwest, and the lady on the phone told me per regulation I would not be able to power it up; however, I doubt anyone is going to say anything. I'll probably avoid pulling out the S-Pen just in case. That really sort of announces you are using a Note series phone.

As a Pilot with Air Canada there was an initial memo on the Note 7. The service directors do make a P.A.
There has been no update since saying what battery to look for etc. There has been no new directive from Transport Canada, or the FAA regarding new models.
That said, I have my new one and am on day 1 of my 4 day pairing with it.
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.

I've confronted Samsung with the FAA advisory and haven't gotten an answer yet. My demand was that the replacement phone be marked clearly on the exterior or the phone be renamed, like Note 7s or something.
Instead I've gotten an identically looking replacement. I've sent a followup mail to the support. Let's wait and see.
Meanwhile to me the device is utterly useless for flying, thus it rests in its original box.
I seriously hope that Samsung is in contact with the FAA at all regarding this issue, because if not they might as well have a second wave of replacements on their hands.

i flew about a week and a half ago. i don't myself have a note 7 but i do remember 1 out of 4 boarding gates did make an announcement if u have a note 7 they "ask" it to be powered down. nothing saying it was mandatory. i would think tsa would have to be involved at security check in. they are the only ones who will physically see everyones phones. that will cause a huge problem because lots of people have no idea how to tell what kind of phone u have. they would be holding up everyone with a samsung phone no matter what version it is

MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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I think we were on the same flight. Lol
They don't have a clue. I used mine the whole flight. Texting, listening to music, watching a movie and reading magazines.
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Three out of four legs on a Delta flight last week mentioned it.

And now I have my reply from Samsung: They don't care about the FAA advisory. They are stating that the green battery icon, they put in the software is enough.
Heck you could get that stupid icon by installing a theme or a ROM if you so wish.
I don't know how Samsung believes it's seriously competing with anyone, let alone Apple, with that kind of customer service.

MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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That pretty much sums it all up in one sentence. It's all one big farce!
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MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one. [emoji14]
Ryland
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They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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apprentice said:
They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft
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No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?

Gary02468 said:
No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?
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It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know. Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
Fires cause plane crashes yes, but how many are due to someone's phone? Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices. That includes cameras, laptops, music players etc. Something that an airline would never do because it would lose them fare paying passengers, money is more important than safety.
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apprentice said:
It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know.
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We've got known crashes due to fires, vs. no known or even suspected crashes due to drunk passengers (but yes, as with almost anything, we'll "never know" beyond any possible doubt).
Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
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It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices
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The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices.

Gary02468 said:
It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
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I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through. I have witnessed it many times. What happens when someone becomes drunk during a flight? Do they say.. "That's illegal, lets open the door and kick you out?" Obviously not they have to let that passenger continue and consider more drastic actions if that passenger endangers the aircraft. Again this happens a lot. The emphasis on "Endangering"
Gary02468 said:
The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices
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Where did you get this 100 times figure from? How many genuine cases of fires were there? It is still a tiny risk, considering the amount of Note 7's produced, the probability of a passenger owning one, the probability that it will catch fire whilst not being charged or unattended, the probability that the owner has a replaced Note 7 anyway. This would be the same probability of another of the tens of thousands of battery powered devices carried on aircraft in any given day. So no, it's a knee jerk reaction from airlines and it's only become like that due to over inflated sensationilised news coverage and social media.
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apprentice said:
I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through.
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Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Where did you get this 100 times figure from?
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Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?

Gary02468 said:
Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?
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Jeez... did you go to the school of pedantic?? Your statement is really nit picking. I am not stupid, I do know it's illegal, what I was expressly implying was that even if just one person got on a plane drunk, they are effectively being allowed. OK? I was not suggesting for one minute that I disputed it wasn't legal.
In relation to your other facts, it's all pie in sky (no pun intended) over half a million Note 7's were replaced a week ago, so I am estimating in another week or so 90% or more of the batch will have been replaced. So I am saying the chances are miniscule of a Note 7 causing such an issue. It won't stop stupid people ranting about how dangerous this device is. People love to scaremonger and people love to knee jerk.

Some questions on the Note 7 Recall Saga

Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions

You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
P.S. I still think that N7 IS the best phone money can buy at the moment and I was PRO for a second excange. Anyway I will buy Note 8 on preorder next year.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
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Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
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Because they are powered off.
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
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Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
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Again, they are powered off.
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
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You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
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I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
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We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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calinormy said:
You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.

I think samsung should and will find the actual issue soon enough, don't think they'd move further without knowing for sure what happened. That said, chances are it'll still be too late for note7, unless, hopefully, they find out there was never an issue to begin with or if the solution is completely software and able to implement it in time.
Let's use the 'explosive' words more careful than the media. There was never an actual explosion (which denotes a violent reaction associated with a shock wave) unless I have missed such event.
This defect probability appears to be quite low. That would explain why Canadian or European market, much smaller, didn't account in burning reportings yet.
Finally, I was reading thru the note's manual the other day. It is clear that it's expected from the owner a decent amount of care in using the device as, for instance, it states, amongst other things, that one should not wear it in his back pocket or sit on it to avoid it catching fire.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions
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If you want to keep the phone, go for it! You talk sense and you'd be absolutely annoyed at yourself if you listened to the majority of the blind leading the blind on here rather than your own intuition. Keep it! For now at least. Fools rush in. Don't be a fool.

its a dead story now, the media crapple fans have won. they have single handily destroyed the best phone ever created/produced. with apple falling and the public hoping to cash in. it was a perfect storm, a **** storm at that! i traded my safe note 7s in on monday, it was becoming obvious this was not going to go away. i hated to do it, and will be first in line next year for the note 8, or whatever it may be called

jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.

I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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If, being powered off and not charging is not making them to 'explode' (they all like the word explode, even if it is nothing like this...), why all the shipping companies are making such a big deal in not accepting to ship back the returns (powered off and in no way connected to chargers)?
How come, no unit which was on display in the showrooms, always connected to charging and handled by hundreds of people in all the possible ways, was not 'exploding'? This is real 'luck' for Samsung...

calinormy said:
I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
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Here's the funny thing. the video from the surveillance camera...... YOU DONT SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WOMANS HAND.

azzicles said:
Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.
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Is there a case of one going up in smoke that was fully powered off? If so, I retract my comments, but would like a link to that information before doing so. The ones I've heard of were all powered on at the time.

23 cases reported to the cpsc since Sept 15. They are happening...it's just that not everyone instantly calls the verge.
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My guess is that those devices could have a faulty battery protection circuit that is attached straight to the battery(inside battery case). Those usually make the lithium batteries go boom when You mess with them. Although I tried shorting out this circuit once and all what happened was pretty much a discharged battery to 0% within a second and it wouldn't charge.
But. In case of those Note 7 explosions I think that this circuit gets waaay too hot and the electrolyte inside the battery is starting to boil and a chemical reaction goes off and BOOM!
Now time for the conspiracy theory with facts
Apple. That is the answer! Apple hired a group of people all around the USA to somehow burn their phones and to make sure that it will look like the battery exploded(hair dryer to the back of the phone?)
News say that most Note 7s are exploding in USA. And this way people would start hating Samsung because their phones aren't safe. And would buy iPhones! Well.. they failed. News report that most people after leaving Note 7 go for S7 Edge.
What do You guys think? Both about the realistic theory and the conspiracy theory?

https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

MariusB said:
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
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That's a very reasonable petition and I thought for a moment about signing it.
However, I decided not to, and I'll explain why: Clearly the Note 7 has some safety issues and although we might debate how much of a risk it is, the fact remains that too many have been catching fire and this should not be happening in a properly designed and manufactured device. That being the case, it is unavoidable that Samsung had to stop selling them, especially if it could not be 100% certain what the cause of the fires has been.
Under these circumstances, I think it is fantasy to imagine that Samsung is going to dedicate development resources onto a withdrawn phone with a VERY limited user base. Asking for Nougat is a complete waste of time: it simply is NOT going to happen, ever. Since we can expect ZERO updates, then whether we like it or not, the phone is effectively finished. You'd be mad to plan on keeping long term an expensive product that will get no security or other updates ever.
What I *would* petition for is for Samsung to release a Note 7 mk II at the soonest opportunity. The Note 7 mk II would be a Note 7, identical in every respect except for the overheating problem fixed. I'd switch to one of those in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately, I don't think Samsung are going to do that. I think they want to ditch the Note 7 entirely, because of the bad publicity. And I don't think we will see a new S-pen Samsung untll fall 2017, and it won't be called a Note. I think this is a shame.

Samsung Galaxy Note 7 cut off by New Zealand mobile networks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/11/04/samsung-galaxy-note-7-cut-off-by-new-zealand-mobile-networks/ I even do not know how to comment it...

It isn't like one didn't know it was coming. Bound to happen sooner or later.
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This should be illegal
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Before it was just some rep saying it but now its official carriers are going to do this.

Time to backup efs and find a usable imei to change to

statikk1 said:
Time to backup efs and find a usable imei to change to
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It's going to come to that. I am sure I can find a suitable old phone to clone.

was obvious something like this was coming, they can't afford to legally force people to return the phones but since the recall is in effect they can legally disable them due to safety concerns. it's the same as I was reading the other day certain UK insurance companies are looking to void the insurance if a Note is anywhere near the incident. they are already banned on pretty much every airline, is it really worth putting up with a year of having to avoid people who don't want the phone in any situation it could cause a problem? the local hospitals in my area in the UK actually have a full ban on the Note as well if you are in the hospital with one you will be escorted by security off the grounds of the hospital and not allowed to return until you have got rid off the phone off site.
so yeah if you want to use a service and they have safety concerns and want to ban something that is entirely up to them, if you want to hang onto something that is potentially dangerous and take a chance that is up to you, but end of the day if it's their house it's their rules.

Belimawr said:
was obvious something like this was coming, they can't afford to legally force people to return the phones but since the recall is in effect they can legally disable them due to safety concerns.
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Yes, but who is the "they" here?
What's in it for Verizon or Vodafone? Samsung can't block IMEI numbers. I'm genuinely puzzled why the industry is so hell bent on getting all of these phones out of circulation. The efforts they are going to are not commensurate with the levels of damage to people and property we have seen. Which incidentally, seem to be declining by the day.
The fact is that a single Note7 is about 100x less dangerous than a single Honda (or any other) motorbike. Does it not strike people as rather weird that all these agencies are trying so hard to get rid of Note7's? It does me.
I would have thought all that was needed was for Samsung to say they there's a problem and that you shouldn't use it and that if you do, it's at your own risk. But they are trying MUCH MUCH harder than this. It's almost like they know something terrible about the phone and are not telling us.

Chippy_boy said:
It's almost like they know something terrible about the phone and are not telling us.
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One of the phone has inside key for immortality hidden by one of samsung's engineer and now they try to find it by recalling all of them. Some people new it beforehand and tried to get to the key by smashing phone which then got fire as a result which gave solid base to recall all units by Samsung.
The rep from Verizon explained it to me. He also said Verizon employed some psychic to find the key by simply touching every note 7 before sent it to Samsung...
He said he hates one of the psychic to the guts because he touches iPhones as well and this is not professional.

Chippy_boy said:
Yes, but who is the "they" here?
What's in it for Verizon or Vodafone? Samsung can't block IMEI numbers. I'm genuinely puzzled why the industry is so hell bent on getting all of these phones out of circulation. The efforts they are going to are not commensurate with the levels of damage to people and property we have seen. Which incidentally, seem to be declining by the day.
The fact is that a single Note7 is about 100x less dangerous than a single Honda (or any other) motorbike. Does it not strike people as rather weird that all these agencies are trying so hard to get rid of Note7's? It does me.
I would have thought all that was needed was for Samsung to say they there's a problem and that you shouldn't use it and that if you do, it's at your own risk. But they are trying MUCH MUCH harder than this. It's almost like they know something terrible about the phone and are not telling us.
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lets say your phone does fail and causes considerable property of physical damage what would you then do? in the majority of cases the person will try to sue Samsung, the carrier or other so these firms are taking every effort to get the point across if you are still holding onto the phone it is entirely on you, if they take every option to stop people using the phone they are 100% free and clear as they have done everything possible to stop the use of a potentially defective device.
now on the other hand looking at all the places and insurance firms trying to discourage use of the phone or banning it, if your phone goes up in say a locker and damages the belonging of several other people would you be willing to cover those damages? because with the amount of action taken to discourage the use of the phone you are at a point where the user is 100% liable and firms will ban it because they know the type of person hanging onto the phone will likely be the type who would try to sue someone rather than admit fault and that is why people are trying to stop the use of the device "in their house" because they know it is likely them who will lose out and have to take legal action to recoup damages.

Belimawr said:
lets say your phone does fail and causes considerable property of physical damage what would you then do? in the majority of cases the person will try to sue Samsung, the carrier or other so these firms are taking every effort to get the point across if you are still holding onto the phone it is entirely on you, if they take every option to stop people using the phone they are 100% free and clear as they have done everything possible to stop the use of a potentially defective device.
now on the other hand looking at all the places and insurance firms trying to discourage use of the phone or banning it, if your phone goes up in say a locker and damages the belonging of several other people would you be willing to cover those damages? because with the amount of action taken to discourage the use of the phone you are at a point where the user is 100% liable and firms will ban it because they know the type of person hanging onto the phone will likely be the type who would try to sue someone rather than admit fault and that is why people are trying to stop the use of the device "in their house" because they know it is likely them who will lose out and have to take legal action to recoup damages.
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Gosh, I hadn't thought of that.

I promise you they will get sued and lose if they do that here in the US. It is not the carrier's job to protect citizens, especially if they have no proof the phone is definitely going to burn.
I believe it is against the law to posses a recalled product in Australia and several European countries. Not so in the United States.

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I promise you they will get sued and lose if they do that here in the US. It is not the carrier's job to protect citizens, especially if they have no proof the phone is definitely going to burn.
I believe it is against the law to posses a recalled product in Australia and several European countries. Not so in the United States.
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Looks like Australia doesn't outlaw recalled products.
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/news/samsung-galaxy-note7
There is no wording to mention it's illegal rather that ACCC "strongly urges"

pinetreehater said:
I promise you they will get sued and lose if they do that here in the US. It is not the carrier's job to protect citizens, especially if they have no proof the phone is definitely going to burn.
I believe it is against the law to posses a recalled product in Australia and several European countries. Not so in the United States.
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I have no idea where in the world it is legal or illegal to possess a recalled product but I agree wholeheartedly that there will definitely be lawsuits in the US if these phones are blacklisted. Without a doubt....
Question. If I see a robbery, rape, fire or an accident or some other public safety concern, should I attempt to dial 911 to assist or should I shrug it off because I am a rogue accident waiting to happen? Should I shudder in fear so much as to avoid calling altogether?
Should I report myself to authorities?.....lol
I'd say no because I am neither illegal or criminal, get it?

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I have no idea where in the world it is legal or illegal to possess a recalled product but I agree wholeheartedly that there will definitely be lawsuits in the US if these phones are blacklisted. Without a doubt....
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Having said that, here's me hoping that New Zealand users start suing which will serve to not give anybody else ideas :laugh:

http://www.droid-life.com/2016/11/0...imit-battery-60-continue-remind-users-recall/
Very soon Samsung will block all service.
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As long as Samsung gets replacement phones/refunds to all they promised, I don't mind the IMEI block so much. Problem is that 19 days ago, they promised me a replacement S7E would come "within 21 days". I contacted them yesterday about how this was going since 21 days is almost up, and...They have run out of S7E stock (black Onyx) and don't know when new stock is coming...
This is Australia though, where they have just sent the 60% thing through and no official IMEI block discussed, yet..
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Verizon in the USA is also considering flagging accounts and suspending service for those of us who have a Note 7. I purchased it outright for $864 and was totally blown away with how nice the phone is. I don't want to return it.
The first batch was recalled due to a failure of the batteries circuitry to stop the charge. Statistic tell me that if an electrical component were to fail (aka infant mortality) then it would occur very early in the like cycle of a device. My device was always left overnight charging (until I learned about the 80% rule and battery life), and would never even get warm to the touch on either the usb-C or wireless charging. I was confident that my chances were slim to have an issue, but I returned it when they got the second batch of phones.
The failure of the second batch is being blamed on internal battery layers that are so close that they short out causing the catastrophic shorting of the battery. Again, no one knows how close is too close for these layers as Samsung never disclosed the details of the design much further. My phone gets charged every 30-36 hours since I got it and I have not had any issues. My second (current) Note 7 is even cooler when charging than the first one and as I never charge about 80%, my risk is even less. (what ever "less than less than 1%" is) I figure if my batteries plates were shorting out, I would have known it by now. So I feel my current phone is also safe.
Samsung or Verizon can not force me to return it. What they can do is exactly what they are: constant texts about the recall and now Verizon has stated (the store rep told me this when I went to inquirer about any changes to the return policy) that after November 25th, they will be suspending service. They told me originally the date was Nov 7th, but it got moved back. So take it with a grain of salt. I sometimes think that the reps don't have a clue. They will give owners no choice if they do this. But the question I ask is do we really own this? Verizon has already returned every penny I paid for the phone back to me. So in a sense I have the phone now for free, and that's not quite right either.
With the S8 four months away and a new Note 8 5-6 months after that (if rumors are true), Samsung in Korea is giving some great deals for those of us who stay loyal. (Korean customers if they stay with Samsung not only get the same $100 (equivalent currency) credit we are getting in the USA, but are also getting an opportunity to upgrade with no penalty to the S8 and Note 8. The new S8 and Note 8 will be sold for 1/2 the list price to these customer! I only hope the USA will get this same offer.
I agree that airlines and businesses have the right to ban the phone, and the liability now rest 99.9% with those of us who keep the phone. We have been warned in many ways. Its a slippery slope. Where does our right to keep it cross the line and endanger someone else? I looks at this like the smoking ban in the USA. Restaurants use to allow smoking in the dining rooms. They then morphed into having a "smoking" and "non-smoking" sections. I cant tell you how many times I would be in the non-smoking section that was right next to a smoking section and still had to breath their second hand smoke. I was glad when all restaurants when smoke free as did most businesses. I happen to be on the other side of the fence on this issue.
I only hope someone here extracts the firmware and kernel and can adapt it to say the S7 or another note device. I'm guessing the new 8 series will be very similar.

Belimawr said:
lets say your phone does fail and causes considerable property of physical damage what would you then do? in the majority of cases the person will try to sue Samsung, the carrier or other so these firms are taking every effort to get the point across if you are still holding onto the phone it is entirely on you, if they take every option to stop people using the phone they are 100% free and clear as they have done everything possible to stop the use of a potentially defective device.
now on the other hand looking at all the places and insurance firms trying to discourage use of the phone or banning it, if your phone goes up in say a locker and damages the belonging of several other people would you be willing to cover those damages? because with the amount of action taken to discourage the use of the phone you are at a point where the user is 100% liable and firms will ban it because they know the type of person hanging onto the phone will likely be the type who would try to sue someone rather than admit fault and that is why people are trying to stop the use of the device "in their house" because they know it is likely them who will lose out and have to take legal action to recoup damages.
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Save your breath... common senses does not apply here. At least to some. Saying anything other than keeping the Note7 will just cause you to be branded as part of the conspirator.

It makes no sense what so ever to keep the phone outside of ego issues. Either "look at me I am a rebel" or "I've got a phone you can't get."
- Alternatives with nearly the same specs are out (Pixel and V20 both outperform the Note 7)
- support is going to be dead, Samsung and 3rd party
- it's not going to receive updates
- it's a hazard, Samsung didn't just kill one of their golden eggs for fun.
- keeping your phone affects more than just you.

The Note 7 is DEAD says Sprint and Samsung

BTW FOLKS next update knocks us off the networks. They are killing the phone. On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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And you are surprised by this? It has been reported this was coming.
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I'm wondering what you were trying to accomplish. Did you think you could talk them out of it? Bite the bullet. Should be some great deals this weekend in the S7E. I think tmobile is basically giving them away on contract.
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Did you actually just tried to convince them not to kill the phone over the phone?

mooncraterx said:
On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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Were you trying to get them to cut you a deal? Like committing to let you move to a S7 Edge and then guarantee that you can move for free to whatever Samsung phone you want in 2017? Multibillion dollar companies don't cut one-off side deals when they have millions of customers. They can barely sell and support what they do offer and that their systems are designed to process.
In the U.S. the deal is you get your money back for your Note7 and $100 off via a bill credit if you stay with Samsung; $25 off if you don't. That's the deal and it's not going to get sweeter because they aren't going to reward hold outs for being hold outs. That would only piss the people who "did the right thing" off even further after having to exchange phones once, maybe twice, and ending up with something they may not have wanted. Based on comments made by the Samsung VP heading the U.S. there may be something down the road in terms of an offer on the 2017 phones for those that endured the debacle that was the Note7. That has nothing to do with Sprint, isn't being committed to now, and may or may not happen depending on where the Samsung brand stands in the spring.
So the choice boils down to exchange your Note7 and take your lumps or hold on to it until it become a collectable. I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.

This phone was going to be my last phone purchase and its halfway paid off.. now i have to buy another phone instead and wait sometime in the future to get the phone i actually want and start all over to pay? Well yes your right the corps screw the people and this is just one example because they messed it up. The people always pay not the corporations.
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Were you trying to get them to cut you a deal? Like committing to let you move to a S7 Edge and then guarantee that you can move for free to whatever Samsung phone you want in 2017? Multibillion dollar companies don't cut one-off side deals when they have millions of customers. They can barely sell and support what they do offer and that their systems are designed to process.
In the U.S. the deal is you get your money back for your Note7 and $100 off via a bill credit if you stay with Samsung; $25 off if you don't. That's the deal and it's not going to get sweeter because they aren't going to reward hold outs for being hold outs. That would only piss the people who "did the right thing" off even further after having to exchange phones once, maybe twice, and ending up with something they may not have wanted. Based on comments made by the Samsung VP heading the U.S. there may be something down the road in terms of an offer on the 2017 phones for those that endured the debacle that was the Note7. That has nothing to do with Sprint, isn't being committed to now, and may or may not happen depending on where the Samsung brand stands in the spring.
So the choice boils down to exchange your Note7 and take your lumps or hold on to it until it become a collectable. I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
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mooncraterx said:
This phone was going to be my last phone purchase and its halfway paid off.. now i have to buy another phone instead and wait sometime in the future to get the phone i actually want and start all over to pay? Well yes your right the corps screw the people and this is just one example because they messed it up. The people always pay not the corporations.
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Think you're alone? People who bought third party or grey market are still trying to figure out how to either exchange or refund. What about people that bought accessories that are now useless and can't be refunded? What about people that used an upgrade (lease or contract) who left a phone they might have been happy with to end up with a phone they wouldn't have wasted an upgrade on?
There's a thousand tales in the cold city. Lamenting what happened isn't going to change it. I personally think Samsung U.S. will come out with some sort of program for former Note7 owners to get in to a 2017 phone more cheaply. But right now we're stuck with the hand we were dealt.

So what. The Note8 model number has leaked. Wait a few months for the N950 and stop crying

mooncraterx said:
BTW FOLKS next update knocks us off the networks. They are killing the phone. On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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You can install a coustom rom and change the model number in the buildpro to that of s7 edge

BarryH_GEG said:
I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
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I don't think so.
Fit for purpose? No.
Satisfactory Quality? No.
As described? No.
I don't know about the US specifically but here in the UK, goods must meet those minimum standards or the vendor MUST give you your money back, give you a repair, or give you compensation. And if they don't you can sue them in what would be a 2 minute hearing before the judge awards in your favour. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if similar consumer protection legislation did not exist in the US.
So Samsung / Sprint / Verizon / whoever will have to take a Note7 back when someone chooses to return it. Unless Samsung change their minds and decide that it's (a) safe, (b) reliable and (c) they switch the battery charging back to 100%. If they don't confirm/do all those things, you can give it back for a refund pretty much whenever you like. They cannot say, "sorry it's too late, you've had your chance" unless they make good the phone.
Samsung lost any rights to get "arsey" over late returns, the moment they started ****ing with our phones.

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IAnd if they don't you can sue them in what would be a 2 minute hearing before the judge awards in your favour.
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Out of curiosity, what reason would you provide to the judge for not availing yourself of offered remedies and intentionally holding on to a device deemed hazardous for months longer than you should have or needed to?
By the end of the year some of the things previously discussed (Samsung Account blocking, Play Services blocking, and IMEI blocking) are likely to be in place which will push all but the diehard hold outs off the Note7 and on to something else. Once some combination of those things are in place only 1-2% of Note7's will be unaccounted for. At that point Samsung will most likely care less about what happens to those remaining phones or the people clinging to them. With all that said good luck suing a multibillion dollar corporation in the UK or U.S. And no consumer protection agency in the world is going to defend someone's right to use a hazardous device for months longer than they should have. Like the title of this thread says, "The Note 7 is DEAD." And so is Samsung's caring about those that continue to defy the recall.

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Out of curiosity, what reason would you provide to the judge for not availing yourself of offered remedies and intentionally holding on to a device deemed hazardous for months longer than you should have or needed to?
By the end of the year some of the things previously discussed (Samsung Account blocking, Play Services blocking, and IMEI blocking) are likely to be in place which will push all but the diehard hold outs off the Note7 and on to something else. Once some combination of those things are in place only 1-2% of Note7's will be unaccounted for. At that point Samsung will most likely care less about what happens to those remaining phones or the people clinging to them. With all that said good luck suing a multibillion dollar corporation in the UK or U.S. And no consumer protection agency in the world is going to defend someone's right to use a hazardous device for months longer than they should have. Like the title of this thread says, "The Note 7 is DEAD." And so is Samsung's caring about those that continue to defy the recall.
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You're clearly not conversant at all with UK law.
First, Samsung have few obligations to the consumer here in the UK, unless they sold you the phone. Their only obligations relate to the warranty. I could go on about their obligations under the warranty, but I can't be bothered and anyway I don't need to because of point two.
Second, in the UK, your contract is with your seller and it is the seller who is responsible for the goods meeting the requirements of the Consumer Contracts regulations as I stated above. These obligations last for 6 years and are unconditional.
So, to answer your question as to what reason I would give to a judge, I wouldn't need to give a reason. I could say I lent it to my pet Panda who wouldn't return it. Or that I was using it as a shaving mirror. Or I could say nothing at all.
It would never go to court in the UK, because the seller knows this and knows they would lose instantly.
Remember, this is a *voluntary* recall. It is entirely the consumers' choice whether they wish to return the phone or not. The phone if already "Not of satisfactory quality", since Samsung have told us so. Now that Samsung have messed with the phone and installed this 60% charging limit, they have made the phone "Not as described", since it is sold as having a battery of 3,500 mAH capacity and now it does not. If the carriers block the phone, then it is "Not fit for purpose". Basically the phone fails ALL of the consumer protection tests, and the consumer can return it whenever they want.
Let me ask you a question: Let's suppose it went to court and the consumer says, I was sold this $1,000 phone which is (a) dangerous, (b) doesn't charge to 100% and (c) can't make phone calls and I want my money back. And Verizon's (or whoever the seller is) response is "well you had your chance to replace it so tough". Do you *honestly* think a judge would say OK then Verizon you're off the hook? Really???
And another thing. Why are you so worked up about people keeping their phones, when it's got **** all to do with you? Just curious. I am not planning on keeping mine in perpetuity, but I will hang on to it so long as it works and as late as possible so I have to wait as little time as possible before switching to an S8. Why does this offend you SO much that you have to keep visiting this forum telling people the phone is DEAD? I find your behaviour bizarre to be honest.

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And another thing. Why are you so worked up about people keeping their phones, when it's got **** all to do with you? Just curious.
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I could care less what you do. You and others that want to keep your phones are on the wrong side of history. The phone's been recalled and deemed unsafe and Samsung's offered refunds and exchanges to get them out of people's hands. Every website known to man is questioning the sanity and rationale of those holding on to their Note7's in the stories published about the progress of the recall. That's the world view, not mine.
This is a quote from Samsung (emphasis mine). Does it sound like they care about the "feelings" of people refusing to participate in the refund and exchange program?
As of today, nearly 85 percent of all recalled Galaxy Note7 devices have been replaced through the U.S. Note7 Refund and Exchange Program, with the majority of the participants opting to receive another Samsung smartphone.
We remain focused on collecting the outstanding Galaxy Note7 phones in the market. To further drive participation, we will be releasing a software update in the coming days that will limit the phone’s ability to charge beyond 60 percent, as well as issue a reminder pop-up notification every time a consumer charges, reboots or turns on the screen of their Note7 device.​
Here's the front page of this forum. Feel the desperation of those trying to pretend what's happening with the Note7 isn't happening or can be avoided? It's only going to get worse. If you take a step back you'll realize you're really not angry with me or anyone else here. You're angry at an inevitable situation you can't control.

BarryH_GEG said:
I could care less what you do. You and others that want to keep your phones are on the wrong side of history. The phone's been recalled and deemed unsafe and Samsung's offered refunds and exchanges to get them out of people's hands. Every website known to man is questioning the sanity and rationale of those holding on to their Note7's in the stories published about the progress of the recall. That's the world view, not mine.
This is a quote from Samsung (emphasis mine). Does it sound like they care about the "feelings" of people refusing to participate in the refund and exchange program?
As of today, nearly 85 percent of all recalled Galaxy Note7 devices have been replaced through the U.S. Note7 Refund and Exchange Program, with the majority of the participants opting to receive another Samsung smartphone.
We remain focused on collecting the outstanding Galaxy Note7 phones in the market. To further drive participation, we will be releasing a software update in the coming days that will limit the phone’s ability to charge beyond 60 percent, as well as issue a reminder pop-up notification every time a consumer charges, reboots or turns on the screen of their Note7 device.​
Here's the front page of this forum. Feel the desperation of those trying to pretend what's happening with the Note7 isn't happening or can be avoided? It's only going to get worse. If you take a step back you'll realize you're really not angry with me or anyone else here. You're angry at an inevitable situation you can't control.
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.

Samsung and all the phone companies are doing damage control in social media.... remember that lol.
The whole situation is unprecedented but bottom line the recall is bs in general. these are not dangerous devices the devices are being pulled because they are TOO GOOD. that is the reason. If every product that failed at .0001% were recalled the store shelves everywhere would be EMPTY! The note 8 will have battery nerf for sure on it!
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
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Everyone of you have valid points. Realistically sammy made the choice for a recall in order to avoid massive lawsuits across the globe. My brother works for a top law firm and we talked about this and he said owners could and can still file for a heavy lawsuit which can help owners with better options rather than the current given.
Would be nice if people all over the world who own the device to stand up together against the corporation. That would also include not spending on any of the products they sell. If that was done for at least a month the message would be clear as they would lose revnue as well as stock market gains. Sorry if i blabbed on too much.

Chippy_boy said:
I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
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So you are going to get yet another thread closed?
Why don't you understand that no one cares what you do with your phone. No one.
What peeves me with you is the way you insist on your rights of ownership that no one is attacking yet you constantly try to stifle threads where others, who are equally free to speak, desire to debate?
What you write about UK law is only part true. No court in the UK would find for you knowing Samsung and its retailers have been doing all they can to get the phones recalled. Samsung made a bloomer. Samsung corrected it with an international recall.
If you went to court.....No I will stop at that. Please go to court and then let us know the outcome.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
So you are going to get yet another thread closed?
Why don't you understand that no one cares what you do with your phone. No one.
What peeves me with you is the way you insist on your rights of ownership that no one is attacking yet you constantly try to stifle threads where others, who are equally free to speak, desire to debate?
What you write about UK law is only part true. No court in the UK would find for you knowing Samsung and its retailers have been doing all they can to get the phones recalled. Samsung made a bloomer. Samsung corrected it with an international recall.
If you went to court.....No I will stop at that. Please go to court and then let us know the outcome.
Ryland
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No-one cares??? That's a ****ing laugh. Have you missed the 500 posts saying anyone who chooses to keep their phone is an idiot / moron / psychopath etc.
I am not denying anyone any right of free speech Ryland. On the contrary, are you suggesting I don't have the right to question others about why they feel the need to slander anyone who wants to keep their phone for a while? How bloody ironic.
You might notice that I am not the only person who feels like they are being attacked constantly, btw. It's a recurring them on this forum and it's VERY tiresome.
And this "court" nonsense. Of course it would never go to court. I will take my phone back to CPW in December or January or whenever and they will give me a refund. End of. Sorry to disappoint you.
If my posts irritate you, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. You do not have to read them you know.

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No-one cares??? That's a ****ing laugh. Have you missed the 500 posts saying anyone who chooses to keep their phone is an idiot / moron / psychopath etc.
I am not denying anyone any right of free speech Ryland. On the contrary, are you suggesting I don't have the right to question others about why they feel the need to slander anyone who wants to keep their phone for a while? How bloody ironic.
You might notice that I am not the only person who feels like they are being attacked constantly, btw. It's a recurring them on this forum and it's VERY tiresome.
And this "court" nonsense. Of course it would never go to court. I will take my phone back to CPW in December or January or whenever and they will give me a refund. End of. Sorry to disappoint you.
If my posts irritate you, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. You do not have to read them you know.
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I notice that today you have been rude to a non English speaker about his spelling of the word "Analysis" Yet YOU, an English born speaker, write the word theme as "them"? Double standards.
In a major way my debate with you is not about the Note 7 but about your crusade for the right to keep ones freedom of ownership while stifling thread after thread, even to the point of thread closure, that no one has the freedom to debate things you disagree with here! That causes me concern with you. Freedoms apply both ways. Politeness also costs nothing.
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Burn Numbers Don't Stack Up

2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?

I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies

It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell including the one dude charging his phone in his hot vehicle and leaving it there... NO WONDER IT EXPLODED any lithium ion would!
Honestly I think that samsung broke some rule that held back battery tech. They don't want a phone on the market you don't have to bump charge or a whole segment of the technology market would be dead. No need to bump charge? no cables or portable chargers needed any more!
This whole thing disgusts me. I have bought a dozen phones over a dozen years and finally figured I was done with it.... now im not... PURE BS!
What more I can't even believe all the sheep who turned theirs in for another lesser phone for the same price which means another 1+ year of installments. The phone companies are going to be really surprised once these people figure out that they can't get the note7 replacement (s8plus) when its released in a few months and they will come with pitchforks and torches!!!!
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies
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2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?
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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.

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You're missing the point. Some burn.... It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen.
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300,000 is a vast sample for statistical analysis. I'm not missing the point I'm pointing out an undeniable anomaly.

Yet you all choose to ignore cases that have been reported after the recall. I don't quite get that but OK...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.

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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.
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No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.

notefreak said:
...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.
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Thank you.

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Thank you.
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LOL hahaha what I meant was you don't need to defend your choice. Just my opinion of course .

mooncraterx said:
It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell................
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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Can you elaborate on that please. Thanks.
Ryland
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Galaxy S7Image credit: Amarjit Mann
Samsung’s problems with exploding smartphones are showing no signs of abating despite the recall of the Galaxy Note 7 handset.
A man from Canada is currently recuperating from injuries after claiming his Galaxy S7 phone exploded in his hands last weekend.
Amarjit Mann, 34, was hospitalised after suffering second and third degree burns on his hands. He told reporters he was driving when he felt a ‘warmness’ from the handset in his pocket.
Related: Samsung Galaxy S7 review - Still the Android phone to beat?
He told the Winnipeg Sun (via Gizmodo): “I took it out and had it in my hands and it exploded right away.
“When you see smoke, I was shocked. You cannot expect this thing. It was like a nightmare. Imagine if the phone was (at my ear); my whole face would’ve burnt."
Mann said the device actually stuck to his hand and sparks hit him just below the eye.
He now has his still-functioning eyes on legal action saying he plans to sue for personal injury and lost wages.
“I never had such a bad (burn) in my life. People need to be aware of this. It’s like a bomb you can carry.”
Samsung is yet to comment.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 7
Samsung plans to sell refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets, according to a new report.
After two dramatic recalls, termination of manufacturing, and a plea for customers to turn off all Note 7 handsets forever, it was safe to assume Samsung had killed off its latest flagship for good. But a report from The Investor, the Korea Herald’s business blog, suggests that Samsung isn’t quite done with its most fiery phone.
Reporters at the publication, which is based on Samsung’s South Korean home turf, believe that Samsung may begin selling refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets as soon as 2017. One industry source is quoted as saying: “Samsung has not made a final decision yet, but it will likely sell the refurbished Note 7 units next year.”
According to the report, Samsung will likely target emerging markets like India and Vietnam, where low-end phones are typically popular. The Note 7 is a seriously expensive handset, but it’s likely Samsung will drop the price significantly considering the phone’s reputation, and the fact that they’re refurbished models. This would be an excellent chance for Samsung to rid itself of spare Note 7 stock, and recoup some cash in the process.
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samsung galaxy note 7
Samsung first recalled the Galaxy Note 7 on September 2 after an internal investigation uncovered a serious battery flaw that was causing some users’ handsets to explode. The phone maker then had to issue a second recall after it emerged that some replaced handsets were also exploding. The Galaxy Note 7 is now no longer available to purchase, with Samsung reportedly focusing all attention on next year’s Galaxy S8.
Samsung is expected to release its next flagship phone in February or March next year, with a Galaxy Note 8 model confirmed to be coming later in 2017.
Unfortunately, Samsung declined to comment on this article.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...-note-7-phones-apparently#jssR2szXZLC9xU9K.99

Chippy_boy said:
...The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion")...
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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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To OP: There many flaws in your oversimplification of numbers and stats, but I'll point out two that nobody has commented on yet.
1. There are not only 2.5 million Note 7 devices. 2.5 million purchases, but not devices. Remember: 2.5 million Note 7's had to be REPLACED, and most Note 7 owners owned TWO Note 7's. Not one.
There are probably closer to 4-5 million Note 7's out there.
SO, it's probably even less likely that an individual Note 7 will burn than you suggest.
2. The media won't be reporting any more burns because it's old news at this point. Any new burns and the media would simply say, "so what, we've known for months that the Note 7 is a dangerous device." A story like that now wouldn't increase readership. And that's what it pretty much boils down to when it comes to the media nowadays: will this story increase our readership?
The answer is no for a burned Note 7 that was intentionally not returned after being recalled by the manufacturer for being dangerous.

Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.

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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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Well said!

Chippy_boy said:
No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.
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Exactly what you mentioned above
but to CLARIFY there is ZERO overheating Note7's at all in the UK!!!!
Come on people use your mind to guess who is behind it and who wants keep profit on their side!!!
You do not know?
Psst. It is one company with some fruit in logo
My IP will get probably flagged for this comment.
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Rick GM said:
Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.

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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung they still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Cut to the chase. There is so much wrong with buying into ANYTHING media related.
There, fixed it for you. And for all you 'Coincidence Theorists' out there the media IS a "brainwashing machine", NOT your mother or your father.

Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.

Spike96 said:
My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.
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Intelligence and Intuition > Intellect

Clearly user error, explained.
No hardware problem found, nothing to blame, yet it still happened. The only viable reason, the consumers. The stupid, not tech savy consumer I should say.
Imagine a person with little to no experiencd with computer building or a siglr forethought on how hardware operates. Pretty typical.
Now create a super phone and give it to them. (Equivilent to giving a movie star a lambo)
The poor phone works so hard with never closed back ground apps, wifi on, ram maxed out, sync on, gps on, demanding games played, screen full brightness, streaming video and charging all at once.
Clearly this couldn't be the issue. Everyones too smart to let this happen. -_-