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Has Anyone Flown With Replacement Yet?

So, I have a new Note7 with the green battery icon (yuck) and life is good. I have a flight in about 2 weeks. It's not super long, but around 4 hours. I usually enjoy using my phone to read, listen to white noise, or watch some shows. Has anyone flown since the recall? Can I expect pushback from the security or airline staff? Has anyone actually had to turn theirs off even though they have the ugly, green icon?
I guess I'll probably grab and old-fashioned book just in case, but was just wondering what the state-of-affairs is like in the air for us now.

I've flown with my replacement, and there was no issue. No one asked about it at any point. I have a case on it, so it doesn't stand out to most people as anything other than the countless other phones they see each day.

Nobody will know what phone you have. They might announce on the plane "if you have a Note 7, please turn it off" but they don't check everyone's phone to see what model it is. Just use it.
It's not a security issue, and the TSA is clueless anyway, so they won't know or care what phone you have.

Sounds good. I know I'm not putting anyone in danger, so I won't bring any attention to myself or my phone. I did call Southwest, and the lady on the phone told me per regulation I would not be able to power it up; however, I doubt anyone is going to say anything. I'll probably avoid pulling out the S-Pen just in case. That really sort of announces you are using a Note series phone.

As a Pilot with Air Canada there was an initial memo on the Note 7. The service directors do make a P.A.
There has been no update since saying what battery to look for etc. There has been no new directive from Transport Canada, or the FAA regarding new models.
That said, I have my new one and am on day 1 of my 4 day pairing with it.
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.

I've confronted Samsung with the FAA advisory and haven't gotten an answer yet. My demand was that the replacement phone be marked clearly on the exterior or the phone be renamed, like Note 7s or something.
Instead I've gotten an identically looking replacement. I've sent a followup mail to the support. Let's wait and see.
Meanwhile to me the device is utterly useless for flying, thus it rests in its original box.
I seriously hope that Samsung is in contact with the FAA at all regarding this issue, because if not they might as well have a second wave of replacements on their hands.

i flew about a week and a half ago. i don't myself have a note 7 but i do remember 1 out of 4 boarding gates did make an announcement if u have a note 7 they "ask" it to be powered down. nothing saying it was mandatory. i would think tsa would have to be involved at security check in. they are the only ones who will physically see everyones phones. that will cause a huge problem because lots of people have no idea how to tell what kind of phone u have. they would be holding up everyone with a samsung phone no matter what version it is

MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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I think we were on the same flight. Lol
They don't have a clue. I used mine the whole flight. Texting, listening to music, watching a movie and reading magazines.
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Three out of four legs on a Delta flight last week mentioned it.

And now I have my reply from Samsung: They don't care about the FAA advisory. They are stating that the green battery icon, they put in the software is enough.
Heck you could get that stupid icon by installing a theme or a ROM if you so wish.
I don't know how Samsung believes it's seriously competing with anyone, let alone Apple, with that kind of customer service.

MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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That pretty much sums it all up in one sentence. It's all one big farce!
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MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one. [emoji14]
Ryland
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They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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apprentice said:
They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft
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No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?

Gary02468 said:
No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?
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It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know. Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
Fires cause plane crashes yes, but how many are due to someone's phone? Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices. That includes cameras, laptops, music players etc. Something that an airline would never do because it would lose them fare paying passengers, money is more important than safety.
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apprentice said:
It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know.
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We've got known crashes due to fires, vs. no known or even suspected crashes due to drunk passengers (but yes, as with almost anything, we'll "never know" beyond any possible doubt).
Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
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It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices
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The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices.

Gary02468 said:
It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
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I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through. I have witnessed it many times. What happens when someone becomes drunk during a flight? Do they say.. "That's illegal, lets open the door and kick you out?" Obviously not they have to let that passenger continue and consider more drastic actions if that passenger endangers the aircraft. Again this happens a lot. The emphasis on "Endangering"
Gary02468 said:
The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices
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Where did you get this 100 times figure from? How many genuine cases of fires were there? It is still a tiny risk, considering the amount of Note 7's produced, the probability of a passenger owning one, the probability that it will catch fire whilst not being charged or unattended, the probability that the owner has a replaced Note 7 anyway. This would be the same probability of another of the tens of thousands of battery powered devices carried on aircraft in any given day. So no, it's a knee jerk reaction from airlines and it's only become like that due to over inflated sensationilised news coverage and social media.
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apprentice said:
I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through.
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Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Where did you get this 100 times figure from?
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Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?

Gary02468 said:
Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?
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Jeez... did you go to the school of pedantic?? Your statement is really nit picking. I am not stupid, I do know it's illegal, what I was expressly implying was that even if just one person got on a plane drunk, they are effectively being allowed. OK? I was not suggesting for one minute that I disputed it wasn't legal.
In relation to your other facts, it's all pie in sky (no pun intended) over half a million Note 7's were replaced a week ago, so I am estimating in another week or so 90% or more of the batch will have been replaced. So I am saying the chances are miniscule of a Note 7 causing such an issue. It won't stop stupid people ranting about how dangerous this device is. People love to scaremonger and people love to knee jerk.

So.. What Now? Blue Battery Icon? What will happen to the Note?

Hey guys. Now that the Note 7 is in really terrible shape, i keep reading different theories about its future on twitter, xda, google, numerous forum sites...
Here's my Theory:
Samsung will recall the Note 7. After that they will stop production and will not restart until the end of December in the holiday season. When "relaunched" they will add some feature to sweeten the product. It can even be a small upgrade, who knows.
What's your take on this?

I honestly think waiting till then would ruin it. You are forcing people into a 2.5 month adoption of a new phone, with many likely never coming back to the N7. I still think it is too early to tell what has actually gone on

I wish there would be another exchange but I doubt it

This f drama is because of these days media... post any propaganda that gives you clicka... all sellers stopped selling n7 because of stupid media then ppl started to kill this device and finally an article about Samsung stopping manufacturing N7... The only option for Samsung now is to make an official statement of axing it or standing by it's safety... 2 recall is not an option...

mk89pwnz said:
This f drama is because of these days media... post any propaganda that gives you clicka... all sellers stopped selling n7 because of stupid media then ppl started to kill this device and finally an article about Samsung stopping manufacturing N7... The only option for Samsung now is to make an official statement of axing it or standing by it's safety... 2 recall is not an option...
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So the media is to blame for these phones going up in smoke? I bet you still believe in Santa and little green men examining you while you sleep.
Not saying the media hasn't spun these stories into something larger than what they are, but let's get real for a second. These aren't isolated incidents with nothing in common. 2nd gen Note 7's are at the root of these flameouts. That can be disputed I suppose, but if it weren't true, Samsung and the carriers wouldn't be halting sales and production.

Rado_vr6 said:
So the media is to blame for these phones going up in smoke? I bet you still believe in Santa and little green men examining you while you sleep.
Not saying the media hasn't spun these stories into something larger than what they are, but let's get real for a second. These aren't isolated incidents with nothing in common. 2nd gen Note 7's are at the root of these flameouts. That can be disputed I suppose, but if it weren't true, Samsung and the carriers wouldn't be halting sales and production.
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Do you have PROOFE Samsung halted anything? Only carriers stopped selling it because of the news on media... BTW few iPhones combusted why no one is stopping the sales or making sh1t up...

mk89pwnz said:
Do you have PROOFE Samsung halted anything? Only carriers stopped selling it because of the news on media... BTW few iPhones combusted why no one is stopping the sales or making sh1t up...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/business/samsung-galaxy-note-fires.html?_r=0
http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-to-halt-galaxy-note-7-production-temporarily-1476064520
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/09/technology/samsung-galaxy-note-7/
Just a few reputable news sources that have reported it. Of course it's the media so you're more than welcome to say it's a conspiracy of course.

Rado_vr6 said:
So the media is to blame for these phones going up in smoke? I bet you still believe in Santa and little green men examining you while you sleep.
Not saying the media hasn't spun these stories into something larger than what they are, but let's get real for a second. These aren't isolated incidents with nothing in common. 2nd gen Note 7's are at the root of these flameouts. That can be disputed I suppose, but if it weren't true, Samsung and the carriers wouldn't be halting sales and production.
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Don't bother arguing with them, I've been trying to convince them that their continual denial of a problem and victim blaming attitude is really delusional but they won't have it. They will always think the note 7 is perfect and everyone who has had a fiery device is lying.

All we have directly from Samsung is "temporarily adjusting the Galaxy Note 7 production schedule in order to take further steps to ensure quality and safety matters." However, a supposed inside source has stated that production is halted until an investigation has been completed.

I'm afraid to say that I'm really disappointed about what happened! The note 7 is by far; the best smartphone out there regarding options and design! There's one question in my head that needs a logical answer.... why in the US only? I've never heard that there are similar incidents all over the world other than the ones happening in the US except may be a couple in Korea and Australia if I can remember which could be from US import.
The note 7 could be 100 % flawless and a conspiracy is being made to destroy its existence and Samsung had to recall to avoid the neverending debates but still the dirty work continues!
A theory but could be right! Anyone supporting?
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http://www.techradar.com/news/now-samsung-says-note-7-replacements-are-safe-to-use there is a problem with n7 it's to damn good!

radioraheem2 said:
Don't bother arguing with them, I've been trying to convince them that their continual denial of a problem and victim blaming attitude is really delusional but they won't have it. They will always think the note 7 is perfect and everyone who has had a fiery device is lying.
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You don't have to convince people of anything. You jumping around post to post throwing insults around about how XDA has declined because a few people are passionate about the phone and the over anxious media is fruitless.
I am no fanboy of any phone and the Note 7 was my first ever Samsung but it was a fantastic phone. I got my refund on my recalled version and ordered a new one yesterday because it is a great device.
The forum is for all to post their opinions and feelings on devices of all brands. You have an opinion (agenda) and so do others.

Some questions on the Note 7 Recall Saga

Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions

You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
P.S. I still think that N7 IS the best phone money can buy at the moment and I was PRO for a second excange. Anyway I will buy Note 8 on preorder next year.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
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Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
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Because they are powered off.
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
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Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
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Again, they are powered off.
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
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You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
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I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
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We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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calinormy said:
You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.

I think samsung should and will find the actual issue soon enough, don't think they'd move further without knowing for sure what happened. That said, chances are it'll still be too late for note7, unless, hopefully, they find out there was never an issue to begin with or if the solution is completely software and able to implement it in time.
Let's use the 'explosive' words more careful than the media. There was never an actual explosion (which denotes a violent reaction associated with a shock wave) unless I have missed such event.
This defect probability appears to be quite low. That would explain why Canadian or European market, much smaller, didn't account in burning reportings yet.
Finally, I was reading thru the note's manual the other day. It is clear that it's expected from the owner a decent amount of care in using the device as, for instance, it states, amongst other things, that one should not wear it in his back pocket or sit on it to avoid it catching fire.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions
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If you want to keep the phone, go for it! You talk sense and you'd be absolutely annoyed at yourself if you listened to the majority of the blind leading the blind on here rather than your own intuition. Keep it! For now at least. Fools rush in. Don't be a fool.

its a dead story now, the media crapple fans have won. they have single handily destroyed the best phone ever created/produced. with apple falling and the public hoping to cash in. it was a perfect storm, a **** storm at that! i traded my safe note 7s in on monday, it was becoming obvious this was not going to go away. i hated to do it, and will be first in line next year for the note 8, or whatever it may be called

jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.

I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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If, being powered off and not charging is not making them to 'explode' (they all like the word explode, even if it is nothing like this...), why all the shipping companies are making such a big deal in not accepting to ship back the returns (powered off and in no way connected to chargers)?
How come, no unit which was on display in the showrooms, always connected to charging and handled by hundreds of people in all the possible ways, was not 'exploding'? This is real 'luck' for Samsung...

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I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
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Here's the funny thing. the video from the surveillance camera...... YOU DONT SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WOMANS HAND.

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Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.
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Is there a case of one going up in smoke that was fully powered off? If so, I retract my comments, but would like a link to that information before doing so. The ones I've heard of were all powered on at the time.

23 cases reported to the cpsc since Sept 15. They are happening...it's just that not everyone instantly calls the verge.
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My guess is that those devices could have a faulty battery protection circuit that is attached straight to the battery(inside battery case). Those usually make the lithium batteries go boom when You mess with them. Although I tried shorting out this circuit once and all what happened was pretty much a discharged battery to 0% within a second and it wouldn't charge.
But. In case of those Note 7 explosions I think that this circuit gets waaay too hot and the electrolyte inside the battery is starting to boil and a chemical reaction goes off and BOOM!
Now time for the conspiracy theory with facts
Apple. That is the answer! Apple hired a group of people all around the USA to somehow burn their phones and to make sure that it will look like the battery exploded(hair dryer to the back of the phone?)
News say that most Note 7s are exploding in USA. And this way people would start hating Samsung because their phones aren't safe. And would buy iPhones! Well.. they failed. News report that most people after leaving Note 7 go for S7 Edge.
What do You guys think? Both about the realistic theory and the conspiracy theory?

https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

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That's a very reasonable petition and I thought for a moment about signing it.
However, I decided not to, and I'll explain why: Clearly the Note 7 has some safety issues and although we might debate how much of a risk it is, the fact remains that too many have been catching fire and this should not be happening in a properly designed and manufactured device. That being the case, it is unavoidable that Samsung had to stop selling them, especially if it could not be 100% certain what the cause of the fires has been.
Under these circumstances, I think it is fantasy to imagine that Samsung is going to dedicate development resources onto a withdrawn phone with a VERY limited user base. Asking for Nougat is a complete waste of time: it simply is NOT going to happen, ever. Since we can expect ZERO updates, then whether we like it or not, the phone is effectively finished. You'd be mad to plan on keeping long term an expensive product that will get no security or other updates ever.
What I *would* petition for is for Samsung to release a Note 7 mk II at the soonest opportunity. The Note 7 mk II would be a Note 7, identical in every respect except for the overheating problem fixed. I'd switch to one of those in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately, I don't think Samsung are going to do that. I think they want to ditch the Note 7 entirely, because of the bad publicity. And I don't think we will see a new S-pen Samsung untll fall 2017, and it won't be called a Note. I think this is a shame.

Any recent Note 7 fires?

It's starting to look incredibly suspicious that the moment Samsung stopped Note 7 production, the fires went with them. Could someone be pulling the strings here? 285 000 Note 7s remain in America alone, and not one to my knowledge has caught fire in the past month. 1.5 million of them, and they were catching fire every day.

I get that you didn't do a search but a similar topic is still on the first page of this subforum.

There's probably three other similar topics on this. And all of them end up with the same tiresome squabble.

AB__CD said:
It's starting to look incredibly suspicious that the moment Samsung stopped Note 7 production, the fires went with them. Could someone be pulling the strings here? 285 000 Note 7s remain in America alone, and not one to my knowledge has caught fire in the past month. 1.5 million of them, and they were catching fire every day.
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Have you considered one of the reasons we no longer hear about the Note 7 going pop is due to the fact that so much media attention and warnings from Samsung and the retailers who sold the device to the owners to return them that only a die hard number of owners are still holding onto their Note's. Now after all these warnings its highly unlikely that an owner is going to complain if his or her Note 7 went pop! I would think they would just keep silent don't you? Its not a general habit for us as a race to want our mistakes highlighted.
I am sure there are other reasons as well.
Ryland

Samsung also recalled 2.5 million washing maschines. Do you think this is also a conspiracy or could it be they went wrong somewhere in the making of their products?

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Samsung also recalled 2.5 million washing maschines. Do you think this is also a conspiracy or could it be they went wrong somewhere in the making of their products?
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Naw, everything is OK at Samsung. I own the washer. I just wear headgear and chest protection when I do the wash. I'm not worried about the Note7 either and will continue to use it until the end. I am a fortunate one though because I have protected my home with Samsung fire detection equipment and security cameras. Therefore I am very comfortable with my choices to live on the edge.
Consider these possibilities while remembering the funny tune from Monty Python. My washer explodes injuring me. I grab my Note7 to dial 911 and it bursts into flames. My fire detection equipment malfunctions allowing my home to burn down.
Who's fault is it?..... HA!
Makes me uncomfortable to have anything resembling a gun with Samsung's name on it pointed directly at me (the cameras) so it does..... lol And then there is this: https://www.wired.com/2016/05/flaws...let-hackers-unlock-doors-set-off-fire-alarms/

Ryland Johnson said:
Have you considered one of the reasons we no longer hear about the Note 7 going pop is due to the fact that so much media attention and warnings from Samsung and the retailers who sold the device to the owners to return them that only a die hard number of owners are still holding onto their Note's. Now after all these warnings its highly unlikely that an owner is going to complain if his or her Note 7 went pop! I would think they would just keep silent don't you? Its not a general habit for us as a race to want our mistakes highlighted.
I am sure there are other reasons as well.
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no.. i disagree. I think if mine did go "pop" that i would notify Samsung and make sure it was sent back to them. I WANT them to figure out the issue. I wouldn't be looking for any kind of payout, etc, i knew the risks when i continued to use the phone.

85% of us units have been successfully returned.
That will greatly reduce the number of new reports.
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85% of us units have been successfully returned.
That will greatly reduce the number of new reports.
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This could confuse users around the world. Since XDA is not exclusive to the U.S.
85% of U.S. users have been forced to return or exchange their Note 7.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-85-percent-galaxy-note-7-phones-replaced-726910/
However in other countries the response may not be a massive, because carriers are not harrasing people to return their device or the exchange program may not be as beneficial as the U.S. was
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CerveCesar said:
This could confuse users around the world. Since XDA is not exclusive to the U.S.
85% of U.S. users have been forced to return or exchange their Note 7.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-85-percent-galaxy-note-7-phones-replaced-726910/
However in other countries the response may not be a massive, because carriers are not harrasing people to return their device or the exchange program may not be as beneficial as the U.S. was
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Riiiight? That's why I said US. Most of the drama in the press came from the us and the cpsc piece also came the us. That's why what I said was relevant. Cases are dying down here since only 15% remain.
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no fires recently

How about this?
http://gizmodo.com/a-different-sams...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Not the N7, a J5.
Maybe Samsung should really just revert back to removable battery design.

Or maybe they should, like they themselves said, make some serious changes in quality control.

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Hey man, use the proper terminology at least Don't you know we have to call all these incidents "explosions". It sounds much more dramatic. If you want to use "violent explosions" then that's good too.
Maybe also throw in a few words about putting the public in terrible danger and selfish individuals etc. You know the score...
Now keep on message!

Chippy_boy said:
Hey man, use the proper terminology at least Don't you know we have to call all these incidents "explosions". It sounds much more dramatic. If you want to use "violent explosions" then that's good too.
Maybe also throw in a few words about putting the public in terrible danger and selfish individuals etc. You know the score...
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The disgraceful way the media dealt with this news was nothing short of absurd.
You are correct, NO Note 7 'exploded'. An explosion, in any form, would make the detonated device fragment into many pieces sending the Note 7 all over the place including floor, ceiling, walls etc. To date, every incident has resulted in the note catching fire BUT the device itself has not fragmented. WE can see after each fire the mobile is left in one burnt piece, its not even burnt to the point of becoming unrecognisabel.
I am NOT suggesting when the Mobile has gone pop that's its acceptable! I am stating it clearly doesn't explode.
I would guess the main concern is fire, the mobile could be the ignition point or catalyst for surrounding areas to ignite thus causing a fire. Again to date I 'think' such fires have been localised to a very small area that's IF a fire was caused at all. I saw a clip of a 4x4 going up in the USA but still have not read the results of the investigation so I am discounting that incident. I suggest the problems are what could happen rather than what will happen and that is the cause of the mobile becoming black listed in more and more public areas such as aircraft, boats, trains blah blah blah.
Regardless of our differences I sincerely agree the media has made a meal out of this matter. A true storm in a tea cup.
I also think Samsung had to make the recall BUT the way that recall has been actioned has been without co-ordination world wide causing numerous clients no end of hassle that is still ongoing. Samsung Korea have not come out of this situation looking well at all.
For a communications division that sells communication devices they need to learn to.......well, communicate!
Those trying to pre order the Gear S3 like myself are having one hell of a trial. No one seems to know the date when the Gear is going to be finally available nor if it will be bluetooth or 4G? Another total ****-up.
Ryland :highfive:

Samsung UK not giving up!

I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)

This had also crossed my mind, if one owns Note7 until S8 Note8 is released, will samsung be willing to replace Note7 (a flagship device) for the next best thing equivalent at the time S8 Note8 is launched?
Another question also crossed my mind, regardless if I have everything that came with the phone and I am lawful owner of the phone but have no proof of purchase, will smasung still be willing to replace it for me or thats just a pipe-dream?
To my understanding, samsung cannot refuse to replace Note7 to anything but the best thing available at the time, so when note8 S8 is out etc, they shouldnt be offering S7 as a replacement at the time, what do you think?
Also, another thought (bare with me here) , samsung had 96% of 3million devices sold returned, of which 220000 were taken under very intense testing and investigations to reproduce faults and what not, so look at this now, once all is now done and clear to public, they have over 2.5 million note7 in stock that require a new safe battery replacement issue, reboxing and should sell worldwide or in some limited regions for a discounted price as a safe refurbs (some time soon I guess), they wouldnt just burry all that gold worth pile of Note7's now , would they?
I almost sense a new "Note7S" coming out some time very soon, carrying "S" on the back as being SAFE with probably reworked same capacity safe battery or with some 3000mAh battery and free wireless charging backpack battery pack case that samsung was selling for note7 phones.
Your thoughts?

Chippy_boy said:
I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
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Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.

xxxMJTxxx said:
Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
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I've got all the updates blocked mate. Have a search on this forum and you'll find plenty of ways to do that, depending on what updates your phone has had already.

Ok
It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
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It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
Thanks
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!

Chippy_boy said:
I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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Ha Ha I thought so!
I have no root firewall but not sure how to set it up being honest
I had Samsung Billing pushed to me few days ago but for some reason I cannot find it under applications in my mobile so I hope Evil Sam is not hidden there waiting to reactivate.
So really we will see after 31st what is going to happen, I really would hate to go back to Note 3 I still have, however it was also good mobile for few years back ago.
How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
M.

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How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.

Chippy_boy said:
Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
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the same update is world wide, altering it for different countries is a minor point as the majority of the changes comes in the form of the bands and network support, if they are removing all network support all they need is something that works on the exynos hardware, also the UK phones are the international phones so they are actually used across a load of countries so it is probably a large portion of the world covered by the same update as the UK.
also as I said there is little need for the networks to do their modifications since they all come in the form of network support that has been removed in this update.

No matter what it's going to be a nightmare. I wouldn't expect it to be as simple as walking into your carrier's store and swapping out for s8 - even though I do remember someone over at Samsung saying there was going to be a discount on "the next big thing". I'm in San Jose so Im going to HQ with mine, f em.

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I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones?
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They're probably paranoid about being sued on the off chance someone else's phone blows up. It would be bad press if it happens again, probably followed by ignorant people saying that Samsung should have tried harder to stop it, etc etc, because some people have probably missed the whole thing till now and haven't noticed anything. Plus, Samsung wants to be able to say 100% recalled and returned.
FYI I don't own this device, just trying to answer this question. Maybe all of you who have it should put "Proud owner of the Note 7. Take that Samsung" or something in your sigs lol. It would be kinda funny to see.
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in my country, Mexico, there have not been, any sort of batt capping updates, or any threatening messages about anything! as no burning reports here, the consumer bureau has not issued any order or authorization on the matter, here would be unlawful to capp or restrict the use of a legally owned device, so, all very cool over here

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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.

BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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All doesnt matter and all goes against the law, just risk of hazard makes them liable indefinitely until its back at their possession and no harm caused during the time.
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees, again, its not for faint hearted, I was talking from a legal stand point.
Darkness and high-cliff edge walking heights are usually appearing dangerous things for most, until they're certain and know there is nothing dangerous/hazardous in the dark and walking the cliff edge not without protections and precautions, metaphorically speaking.
Take a case where mobile phone gets on fire and one or many people suffers fatal consequences, days, months or even years from now, and investigators dig up samsung note7, who they gonna blame? Who has the case against who? Looking from even early state all cards are against samsung where there disaster happens or not samsung should be waist deep to do whatever necessary to sort their clients out. And yes they can try to attempt "write their own laws" warning consumers, threatening with return closing deadlines, refusing to take back dangerous devices back in, blocking devices, etc its their cards their game against everyone, not that they are more than the majority, I call it one against all and no matter how much money they are worth, it can take just few big cases and they will soon realize what wrong turn things can take, not that they would be willing to take such risks when and if case is brought to the round table.
Heck, even a 3 year ago my 10+ year Honda got a safety recall letter warning about potentially defective airbag systems and all was replaced at surprisingly my convenience cost free, even the car was bought second hand and I am probably 3rd or 4th owner of that vehicle, auto manufacturers know about how this game be played out i suppose, has been in this game before or seen it happen, consequences are clear to them if potential event take place, they would not only put someone deep in dirt, they would be there themselves as a consequence, so they took no risks, and I was pleasantly surprised at the same too how much forthcoming they were to sort this out, and note - this is 10+ year old product, not much different case to the one were talking about here, and I believe if they went this far with thing such as this, how much further they would have taken things if they would have found out that these vehicle models would have been a hazardous risk of fire and explosion while driving, parked at house garage etc? Go beat this statement

BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.

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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
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I've unrooted Note7 also, dont want to touch any mods yet until its definitely necessary

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Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees
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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/

While I'd love to see Samsung getting screwed right back, I can't imagine there won't be a final return date of some sort and them actually exchanging the phone for the new models. They just sound too cheap for that

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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Im not going to talk much, but that's not even serious case and analogy is just wrong. Compare this - buying matchbox to light the fire place at home but these matchboxes keep exploding and potentially setting itself on fire on random times (case #1) vs. match box that doesnt have 100% of the content or doesnt light up/doesnt burn every time you strike it (case #2).
Yes, its no brainer about law diminishing returns, if you dont have serious case and intelligent sought trough evidence, plan put together that will be serving to the finish line, and all , dreamland ego and being naive left behind - there is no chance to expect something good coming out of it.
We're talking about life threatening hazardous product here.
Have a great day.

BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Barry, my plan is to take my Note7 back to Samsung when I am ready (and not before) and ask for my money back, which I am very sure they will agree to, since they are obviously so very keen to get it back.
If in the monumentally unlikely event they say, "no, we'd like you to keep it please" (you're not REALLY suggesting that are you???!?) then I can file a small claim online in 20 minutes. It's a total no-brainer.
Sorry to disappoint you.