Can anyone explain to me why we need a forum for both the Pixel and the XL? Save for Screen size and battery , they are the same phone. and any software for one should work on the other. Right?
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Can anyone explain to me why we need a forum for both the Pixel and the XL? Save for Screen size and battery , they are the same phone. and any software for one should work on the other. Right?
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It is unexplainable. Yes, you're right.
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The two forums are totally not necessary
We need two forums, But they need to be Verizon and Google.
Just my opinion, but given the amount of folks who have made some of the mistakes already made with two forums I can only imagine if they started using the wrong TWRP files, OTAs and system install files designed for the other device LOL. I am used to it at this point regardless of the redundancy, but I do have both a PIxel (wife's) and a Pixel XL (mine).
Not necessarily. Just because the spec sheet boasts that they have the same hardware doesn't mean that's exactly true, and its better to keep them separate then to have a single forum and risk noobs bricking their device because they flashed something that wasn't compatible.
HTC has done something similar in the past and even though the devices were extremely similar flashing a rom from the other device would result in a brick.
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Since the Pixel is manufactured by HTC , you think Dev can port a fully working Sense to the Pixel? Not half baked working rom.
Wtf!!!! Just why in the world would you slow down the phone with a skin?? No offense but i honestly think that its reasons like this that oems dont move away from skins because there are ppl that still perfer to sludge their phone with skins, i could already see if samsung were to put out a pixel phone or nexus ppl would ask..."can we port touchwiz?" ughhh i wanna rip my eyeballs out
And to answer ur question i think best bet would be to wait for cm14 comes to pixel... they have a theme engine and have sense skins??
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It is possible if we find a way to root. By possible I mean it is possible to find the amount of water in a lake just by using a cup, possible but not easy.
spy4ka said:
It is possible if we find a way to root. By possible I mean it is possible to find the amount of water in a lake just by using a cup, possible but not easy.
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Chainfire post this on twitter
My Pixel will not arrive for a while yet. SuperSU will need some changes, but having looked at the firmwares, I'm not worried.
I think it's a possibility since HTC has their hands on Google Pixel software.
http://www.xda-developers.com/googl...of-an-htc-cerberus-from-pixel-xl-source-code/
Why didn't you just buy an HTC 10?
why did you get a pixel?
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why did you get a pixel?
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Thank you!!!!!! Exactly!!!! This is why samsung/Htc/LG will never care to remove their skins because those types of ppl will need it, and compromise performance on the poor device with great specs...smfhhh i swear!!!
Slicktune said:
Thank you!!!!!! Exactly!!!! This is why samsung/Htc/LG will never care to remove their skins because those types of ppl will need it, and compromise performance on the poor device with great specs...smfhhh i swear!!!
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Maybe he likes the hardware of the pixel and just wants options on the software. Why did you even post in this thread if you're going to be so negative about the subject? I myself like options to choose from.
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Maybe he likes the hardware of the pixel and just wants options on the software. Why did you even post in this thread if you're going to be so negative about the subject? I myself like options to choose from.
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No im not being negative but thats the reason we will NEVER see a fully stock android on samsung ever....because ppl actually like touchwiz which takes a hit on performance and it isnt fair to others that would like to experience faster software...just saying
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Closest thing you can get. Works great though, can use it as home or an app if you use nova shortcuts ttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3049438
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Just wondering how the Pixel XL did against the Nexus 6P?
I'm looking to upgrade to the S8+, but now I'm thinking to wait for the Pixel XXL.
It did better overall but we don't know how much since Google doesn't reveal. Also issues with availability did not help.
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The fact they could not keep stock of the 128Gig model, I think they under estimated demand.
Still love the Pixel XL even though new phones have been replaced.
I believe it sold a lot better because of how much they marketed it and it was being pushed by Verizon who has the most subscribers. I don't think they've published actual numbers to support this, but they definitely sold more units.
In just terms of development Nexus wins hands down.
Taebom said:
In just terms of development Nexus wins hands down.
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True.
Even the Nexus 5X has far more development.
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In just terms of development Nexus wins hands down.
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Agree, also the 5x and 6p were loaded for bear. As for the Pixel / XL I believe (my beliefs only don't go flaming) the slots for flashing are causing issues for those not totally familiar with the proper commands, monthly updates breaking twrp and root, SafetyNet breaking with each update, Verizon locking their bootloaders and the biggest.. The phone works great without a custom rom or kernel.
So if you desperately need root then I believe a lot of people are simply rooting stock so they can use ad blocking or feel they have total control over their device. (until they brick it but that's another discussion) I've really never seen so many experienced rooters and users here running stock. I wouldn't even unlock the bootloader (well I can't with Verizon) even though I wouldn't mind having the ability to do so for the future. So why would the devs spend time making a custom rom when there are limited users willing to use it?
Someone should make a poll of how many people who are experienced in rooting, unlocking, crack flashing (haven't heard that term in a while) etc. previous devices are now staying stock.
Rooted every device previously: But now..
1. Running Pixel / XL stock bl locked
2. Running Pixel / XL stock bl unlocked
3. Stock rooted
4. Custom rom
Might be interesting. My poll is number 1. The results might give you a clue as to why development is lighter for this device.
They still can't keep up with the demand 6 months later, that should answer the question
bobby janow said:
Agree, also the 5x and 6p were loaded for bear. As for the Pixel / XL I believe (my beliefs only don't go flaming) the slots for flashing are causing issues for those not totally familiar with the proper commands, monthly updates breaking twrp and root, SafetyNet breaking with each update, Verizon locking their bootloaders and the biggest.. The phone works great without a custom rom or kernel.
So if you desperately need root then I believe a lot of people are simply rooting stock so they can use ad blocking or feel they have total control over their device. (until they brick it but that's another discussion) I've really never seen so many experienced rooters and users here running stock. I wouldn't even unlock the bootloader (well I can't with Verizon) even though I wouldn't mind having the ability to do so for the future. So why would the devs spend time making a custom rom when there are limited users willing to use it?
Someone should make a poll of how many people who are experienced in rooting, unlocking, crack flashing (haven't heard that term in a while) etc. previous devices are now staying stock.
Rooted every device previously: But now..
1. Running Pixel / XL stock bl locked
2. Running Pixel / XL stock bl unlocked
3. Stock rooted
4. Custom rom
Might be interesting. My poll is number 1. The results might give you a clue as to why development is lighter for this device.
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Too expensive phone less people buy it less donations less development.
HTC the most expensive phones with no reasons 200 euro more with same specs like others.
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They still can't keep up with the demand 6 months later, that should answer the question
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Is it really large demand or just really short supply. Google has done this with every phone since the Nexus 4. They have never had enough supply.
Soon will be almost 1 year and no even stable recovery what else to talk about this phone will be soon dead from development.Poor Google your how to say development phones dying.
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Soon will be almost 1 year and no even stable recovery what else to talk about this phone will be soon dead from development.Poor Google your how to say development phones dying.
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Good point. Do you think Google cares about devolpment any longer? Or was this a test of how they can now make a great phone that people want who don't care about root? Thus the high cost. I think dev is basically over as you say.
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Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the Pixel XXL, hopefully it won't suffer from the pitfalls of the Pixel XL(from a Dev view).
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Thanks for the comments everyone. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the Pixel XXL, hopefully it won't suffer from the pitfalls of the Pixel XL(from a Dev view).
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It should basically be the same device with updated hardware specs and Android O. What pitfalls are you referring to? If it's the distribution channel then yes, that was a problem. But as for dev support that assumes the low inventory was the factor mitigating development. I don't believe it was. The device simply doesn't need root to function superbly. That's why I think most of us rooted our Nexus devices, battery life and performance. (well at least I did) Besides, the price was like $300 not $800. Ok, some of us can't live without Adaway or Titanium but you don't need a custom rom for that.
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Someone should make a poll of how many people who are experienced in rooting, unlocking, crack flashing (haven't heard that term in a while) etc. previous devices are now staying stock.
Rooted every device previously: But now..
1. Running Pixel / XL stock bl locked
2. Running Pixel / XL stock bl unlocked
3. Stock rooted
4. Custom rom
Might be interesting. My poll is number 1. The results might give you a clue as to why development is lighter for this device.
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That someone should be you, it was your idea I too am curious about the results. Up until Sunday I was a number 2 (rooted, though). I got bored and flashed a custom ROM but it was not necessary at all. You're correct when you say, this device functions damn near perfectly in its stock configuration. First Android phone I've ever used or owned that I can say that about.
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That someone should be you, it was your idea I too am curious about the results. Up until Sunday I was a number 2 (rooted, though). I got bored and flashed a custom ROM but it was not necessary at all. You're correct when you say, this device functions damn near perfectly in its stock configuration. First Android phone I've ever used or owned that I can say that about.
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Lol, I've never done a poll here but I guess it's not too hard. I'll give it a shot in a bit. I'll have to word it correctly as well. Thanks for the push.
Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?
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Sorry if this has been asked already, but like I asked, when should we start to see Oreo ROMs?
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Don't ask for ETAs.
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What's wrong with stock?
Aftermarket ROMs seem to introduce more problems than they fix, for the past 4 phones
I finally learned my lesson with the Nexus 6 and stuck with stock and a custom kernel. Xposed will be along and there is no reason for a ROM.
Substratum, ✓
Root, ✓
Android Pay/Netflix, ✓
Boot Animation change, ✓
Custom Kernel, ✓
Xposed, soon[emoji769]
What are the other reasons you possibly want to taint a great phone?
T.
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Some people enjoy the the mods that come with custom ROMs. Since the Nexus 5 I've been a huge fan of the contents by the team over at Dirty Unicorns puts out. Wouldn't mind trying out a DU Oreo rom if it ever happened.
XDA members usually like to flash...
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XDA members usually like to flash...
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Yep. If I recall from many years ago when creating an account on xda there was a check box you were required to check acknowledging that expected behavior.
Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?
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Are any developers currently working on Oreo, or is this phone development dead?
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DU, Pure Nexus are working on Oreo if you know of any other roms that support this device check their source you'll see branches for 8.0
I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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Nobody can seem to answer this... [emoji87]
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My guess price this phone was super over priced compared to some of the other offerings in Android. Mid range is catching some great devices out there for little money
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I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.
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I am just curious what is putting a wrench in Pixel XL I just got this phone so am not up to date with nuances of this phone
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I'm using a moto-x pure now so I hadn't payed any attention to the Pixel/PixelXL development scene at all. I pre ordered a Pixel 2 XL last night which made me go check out development on the Pixel XL out of curiosity. From what I gathered after some research last night it seems the 2016 pixels have a "non standard" way of handling updates. Apparently there are 2 partitions/slots for system/vendor (slot A and B). I'm not going into details what this means, but the short version is that it made things more difficult for custom recoveries to deal with. Even with all the right parts in place flashing a ROM/GAPPS/Root means taking extra steps that every other devices I've ever dealt with didn't need. Nothing major... just extra steps.
Like I said, that's a VERY basic explanation of the situation. Maybe somebody else is willing to go into more detail, but that's the gist of it. It does look to me though that the most popular ROMs have either an official or unofficial build available.
There's also something to be said about the state of "official android" now, which these phones run. At least to me there is significantly less reason to need/want a custom ROM now compared to just 2 years ago. Now that "official android" has themes capability via OMS and a lot of customization options there is not a whole lot I personally want anymore. My biggest thing is "long back press to kill" which can be had with an app if necessary, "advanced restart" menu and of course root.
I think if the only thing I can't have while sticking with the official builds is the "advanced restart" menu then I can deal with it, I can run terminal commands to achieve the same thing. I can imagine the Pixel 2 XL being my first android phone that I finally stick with the "official builds" + root for the life of the phone. I'm sure I'll end up playing with ROMs once they become available but I don't know if it will be much more than playing around... I've always used ROMs mostly to get the "stock android experience" because I like it.. but since this phone comes with it and will get VERY TIMELY android updates I can definitely see myself sticking with what's official and no ROMS. I ALMOST did it with my Moto X Pure.. moto's official builds were damn near AOSP and I used them until it became apparent that I could't rely of them for OS updates post Lenovo buying Motorola.
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I can. The problem is with the dual slots. Pixel Dust was able to finally make a Oreo Rom for both Pixel and Pixel XL, however root is not possible yet. My suggestion if you want to be flash happy is to stay away from Google phones because from here on out they will all have dual slots.
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I'm staying on Nougat. Working TWRP recovery, running DU, and Franco Kernel. Seems like for me at least when I was on Oreo couldn't get the recovery to stick which was annoying. Went back to Nougat and all is well. Just have to wait for the Oreo's to start dropping.
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There was actually a updated twrp recovery this month and it sticks with Oreo now. Problem is that there is only one custom Rom for Oreo and currently root is not possible. That's with Pixel Dust Rom.
Factory images will be up soon and first round of devices shipping in weeks. Will 2 XL be similar enough to XL that the lessons learned by Root & Recovery developers on the XL will translate to working root and recovery coming straight away or are new challenges expected?
I remember Pixel 2 will come with Android 8, not 8.1. It should be quite similar for development.
So anyone have an opinion? Will we have Root & Recovery straight away or no?
Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.
The entire dev community learned allot with the First Pixel.
I am looking forward to and confident that the Pixel 2XL will be supported.
I'm thinking XDA development will rock for this badboy device...
Well OK! Hoping device turns out to be stellar and developers have fun with it!
If you look at the pixel XL Dev forum vs say the s8+ Dev forum, it doesn't look as active or full of custom roms ect. I would of guessed other way around
Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.
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I hate to agree, but I noticed this also. The amount of development for the Pixel and Pixel XL is a lot less than Nexus phones of past. It seems like the OnePlus and even the LG G* phones are more popular with devs now. I was really surprised to see that after a year there is no offical version of Lineage OS for the original Pixel phones and still complications and difficulties with root and TWRP. The A/B partitions and extra security measures seem to create a lot of complicaitons.
I'm hoping that everything learned with the first Pixel phones will translate into more and better development for the Pixel 2 phones, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also think the high price of the Pixel phones is a barrier for a lot of devs.
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Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?
Az Biker said:
Was the Pixel / Pixel XL offered unlocked, or just carrier variants?
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They were offered unlocked straight from Google and locked from carriers like Verizon. Early on, an unlocking solution was found for Verizon models but patched with later Nougat update 7.1.2
I'm hoping for good things here but these phones are so good in factory form it will be hard to improve on. Security is also more important as phones have access to everything you have.
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Yeah.. compare to the Nexus 6 forum the original pixel is dead
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They have enough development. If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
All you need is some source built aosp
Wish chrome had adblock. That and adfree YouTube are the only things I root for. Maybe we will get lucky and the 2 XL won't have a dual boot partition.
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Actually the Verizon could be unlocked with Android stock 7.1 using depixel8... But 7.1.1 update took away this ability.. my replacement Verizon xl came with 7.1.1 so i sold it
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Edit: nvm this is a different thread
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If you want 30 ROMs that's the same rehased crap, get a oneplus device.
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Quit beating around the bush, how do you REALLY feel
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Not sure about "straight away" but I know Pure Nexus dev @BeansTown106 purchased a 2 XL, so I imagine it'll be up and running as soon as he can cook it up the way he likes.
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This is great news! Pure Nexus is a great ROM and Beans does a fantastic job with it!
I want to know the ROM and RAM models of Pixel 2 XL and I want to replace the hardware.
Some people upgraded Pixel 2 XL memory and storage by replacing ROM and RAM, which gave PIxel 2 XL more memory and storage.
I want to konw about the original ROM and RAM models of the Pixel 2 XL.
Also want to know what models of ROM and RAM are compatible with the Pixel 2 XL.
Listen to others say that after the replacement of ROM or RAM to brush.
The person who successfully upgraded the Pixel 2 XL's memory and storage is offering service, but his cost is too high, I want to replace myself.
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The person who successfully upgraded the Pixel 2 XL's memory and storage is offering service, but his cost is too high, I want to replace myself.
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Pay his price. What you're looking to do can't be done with a soldering iron you find at Wal*Mart. It requires a hot air solder rework station. Assuming you don't already have one of those, even the least expensive models run much higher than what the guy is likely charging for the work.
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付出他的代价。使用您在 Wal*Mart 找到的烙铁无法完成您想要做的事情。它需要一个热风焊料返修台。假设你还没有其中之一，即使是最便宜的模型也比这个人可能为工作收取的费用高得多。
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I already have these devices, only the information is missing.
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我已经有了这些设备，只是缺乏信息。
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I already have these devices, just lack of information.
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And there it is. This isn't about you wanting to avoid paying to mod your device. Instead you want to compete with the guy. Perfectly fine either way, as my answer will be the same. You'll have to tear down a device then to get that information. XDA trends more towards the software side of things.
就在那里。 这不是关于您想避免付费改装您的设备。 相反，您想与那个人竞争。 无论哪种方式都很好，因为我的答案是一样的。 您必须拆除设备才能获得该信息。 XDA 更倾向于软件方面。
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
And there it is. This isn't about you wanting to avoid paying to mod your device. Instead you want to compete with the guy. Perfectly fine either way, as my answer will be the same. You'll have to tear down a device then to get that information. XDA trends more towards the software side of things.
就在那里。 这不是关于您想避免付费改装您的设备。 相反，您想与那个人竞争。 无论哪种方式都很好，因为我的答案是一样的。 您必须拆除设备才能获得该信息。 XDA 更倾向于软件方面。
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I know, I dismantled my pixel2 XL and all I know is the original information about my device. I need memory and stored information compatible with my Settings.
Replacing the hardware is simple, but I don't know the information about the hardware I want to replace.
That merchant monopolized the information alone.
Google Pixel 2 XL Teardown
Google revolutionizes the smartphone market...
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RAM is built into the same package as the Snapdragon 835. I don't think it is possible to replace only one of them.
Flash is a separate package, so that might be possible to replace. Look at the datasheet for the original flash, and try to find other flash with the same pins. However, you'll have to move the basic partition data to the new flash - you can't just flash a rom to a blank memory. And even then, no one has tested whether the software will even work with different flash modules.
In short, this is a lot of experimentation, with low probability of success.