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How many considering returning it back to Verizon?

We know that Verizon has gimped this device. We know Verizon has sold app space on our device storage to the highest bidder. Yes we could disable apps and get around a lot of things. But Verizon has literally treated as FOOLS. Is it all worth it?
We have a 14 day return policy. In my case I have 90 days thru Costco (I believe).
How many if you are seriously considering returning it?
I have until Friday Sept 2nd for my 14 days.
It's amazing how much I had enjoyed the OP3. Now I'm seriously considering throwing the phone back in Verizon's face (figuratively of course).
How many of you are considering returning?

Why return when you can Odin TMO or AT&T firmware since the hardware is the same for all carriers? The only feature I wanted was Samsung cloud and that is now doable and working for me. BThe rest of the features disabled are minimal IMHO.
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I bought the device thru Verizon at Costco. If I terminate the line with Verizon I have to give the device back or pay it off.
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androidbuff123 said:
I bought the device thru Verizon at Costco. If I terminate the line with Verizon I have to give the device back or pay it off.
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Understood. Was just trying to provide an option otherwise. [emoji4]
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Will it work on Verizon if I flash tmo or sprint thru Odin?
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Will it work on Verizon if I flash tmo or sprint thru Odin?
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No, they don't support the same bands I believe. Unless someone finds a way to enable them, you could always go with the N930U when it comes out.

TBH I always consider returning anything. Then the 14 days comes and goes...
Look, it's only been a week and there's already root. Even if it's a pain in the arse to do, you have it. That may be close to a record.
Compared to the Note 5 which hasn't been touched. Look how long the Note 4 took to get somewhere.
We could only hope for a way to unlock the bootloader.
But until then, at least there is a way to root the device and it's actually a bonafide root. None of this temporary stuff.
I'm sure this cross flashing stuff will get patched in a future release.
But it's always a challenge at first.
I liked the hardware and options when the S7E came out. Then as I used the phone it started pissing me off. That one I regretted keeping past the return. When I got my GearVR (finally got it in June!) I broke out my Note 5 and used it with that. Then I realized how much I missed the Note 5 and started using it again and put the S7E in a drawer.
Now that the Note 7 is here I'm finding it has the features I like in the Note 5 with the features of the S7E minus its shortcomings. (especially the over sensitive screen and edge panels!). I do wish they stuck with the 16MP sensor. HOWEVER, the camera software on the Note 7, particularly in professional mode, is superior to any Samsung device prior. Being able to adjust shutter speed while shooting video rocks!

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No, they don't support the same bands I believe. Unless someone finds a way to enable them, you could always go with the N930U when it comes out.
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Or flash the U firmware on the VZW when it's released like many did on the S7E.
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cpufrost said:
TBH I always consider returning anything. Then the 14 days comes and goes...
Look, it's only been a week and there's already root.
Now that the Note 7 is here I'm finding it has the features I like in the Note 5 with the features of the S7E minus its shortcomings. (especially the over sensitive screen and edge panels!). I do wish they stuck with the 16MP sensor. HOWEVER, the camera software on the Note 7, particularly in professional mode, is superior to any Samsung device prior. Being able to adjust shutter speed while shooting video rocks!
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I agree. This phone improves upon the S7E. Like you, I always buy with the intention of returning but the Note is a keeper and will be my daily driver. I'll attempt root tomorrow and see how it goes. I like the fact we can always Odin back to stock and maybe I'll try the TMO firmware since I have a TMO sim.
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Actually returned mine day 7. May buy another, but right now I'm sticking with my note 4

tattooguy21 said:
Actually returned mine day 7. May buy another, but right now I'm sticking with my note 4
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What were your reasons for returning?
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Never.. I love this thing.. I really didn't think I would.. But even with them messing with things(i consider them like 5 year old kids that can't leave anything alone), I still like the device. And at this point, I blame Samsung.. They either don't care(which it honestly seems to me to be the case), or simply have no guts..
Either way, there are ways around most of the carrier foolishness.. And it honestly makes me laugh. This is by far the fastest root to have been achieved on a note that I can remember, and I've had all but the 5. The moor they try and lock things down, the better our developers get.. And hire all they want, as it shows, there are plenty in the waking that each generation, are better and more determined than the last.. So I say, to Verizon, who really cares about your bloat and messing.. It will be worked around anyhow..
But no, I wouldn't trade this thing for the world
from note 7

I'm debating on it because I for some reason dont get any better battery life than I do with my 6P. I did a hard reset last night and downloaded the apps manually that I use in a day and gonna try that out today and see how it works. If its still garbage it more than likely will go back

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1. The software settings options Verizon had received. I thought it was funny when one of the threads mentioned the removal of ram and battery options. Some people were pissed cause it was gone and the other side was largely berating them because "programmers were better know and knew what was best to optimize the phone."
I feel that flies in the face of what so many android users want and the xda forum stands for. If I buy a phone, it's my phone, to do with as I damn well please, for better or worse.
2. My job puts my phone in some very tough and tumble situations. Quite frankly, I don't feel there's a case/screen protector combo that will keep it safe. I've previously sworn by iblaison cases, and I'm willing to bet they have survived more abuse than many of you put your phones through.
When they get the case/screen/body protector thing figured out, maybe I'll be back.

Guys... in light of the recall today AND the other issues that I've talked about.. I have returned by Galaxy Note 7. It was fun while it lasted, but the last thing I want is the phone exploding or catching fire (small chance.. but still good enough for samsung to issue a recall and stop the sales).
I returned it back to Costco and got the Moto Z Droid instead. So long guys..

Official Release from Samsung regarding Recal

Statement on Galaxy Note 7
"Samsung is committed to producing the highest quality products and we take every incident report from our valued customers very seriously. In response to recently reported cases of the new Galaxy Note 7, we conducted a thorough investigation and found a battery cell issue.To date (as of September 1) there have been 35 cases that have been reported globally and we are currently conducting a thorough inspection with our suppliers to identify possible affected batteries in the market. However, because our customers' safety is an absolute priority at Samsung, we have stopped sales of the Galaxy Note 7.For customers who already have Galaxy Note 7 devices, we will voluntarily replace their current device with a new one over the coming weeks.We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause in the market but this is to ensure that Samsung continues to deliver the highest quality products to our customers. We are working closely with our partners to ensure the replacement experience is as convenient and efficient as possible"
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I will definitely look to get a replacement. But what about those of us that spent money on say a tempered glass screen protector? Cant just take it off and put it on a new phone. It's pretty much trash.

Yeah good question. I have a Zagg on mine. I think they have warranty however.
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I hope I don't need my Spen or the brick and cable because they disappeared mysteriously. Verizon wants $50 to furnish another Spen. Maybe Samsung should address the pen problems as well,

So. It sounds like not all Note 7s are affected, but ALL are being recalled just to be safe? Is that right?
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Rippley05 said:
So. It sounds like not all Note 7s are affected, but ALL are being recalled just to be safe? Is that right?
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Looks that way. Verizon will act like they don't know about it if we call today though lol.

I am surprised the official release did not tell everyone to stop using the device immediately. Playing the odds with people's homes and lives is criminal negligence. Any delay by the carriers to notify customers is as well. Verizon playing dumb is risky. I have yet to be notified directly.
It's not like Verizon can claim they don't have my phone number...lol

My phone toom a week to set it up how i want. I wonder if we will get the same phone with.current settings or are they going to send us an entirely new phone? Also if they do send us our current phones back, then what about our warrenties on water resistance if they open the phonr up? And yes what about our glass protectors and the full body coverage i have on mine?

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My phone toom a week to set it up how i want. I wonder if we will get the same phone with.current settings or are they going to send us an entirely new phone? Also if they do send us our current phones back, then what about our warrenties on water resistance if they open the phonr up? And yes what about our glass protectors and the full body coverage i have on mine?
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You don't actually have a water resistance warranty, do you?

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You don't actually have a water resistance warranty, do you?
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I thought we all did, but now that you mention it i guess we dont actually have a warrenty. What i really meant was will it still be water resistant after we get it back? I remember reading somewhere in the s7 that after the screen ir battery is replaced even by samaung that its no longer water resistant or ubder warrenty or whatever.

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Looks that way. Verizon will act like they don't know about it if we call today though lol.
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I went to Verizon's website and the Note 7 is not available for sale, so they certainly know about it.

Rippley05 said:
So. It sounds like not all Note 7s are affected, but ALL are being recalled just to be safe? Is that right?
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In short, yes. An anonymous Samsung rep. stated to a South Korean news agency that < .01% of phones are affected.
Since they are all being recalled, this tells me that they can't definitely trace the bad battery back to a batch, date code, etc. You have to pull them all if you can't, and that is what Samsung is doing.
The fact that they are moving so quickly on this issue tells me it's definitely safety related. I imagine the Samsung production lines are working overtime to make new devices, and that somewhere [Samsung quality, the Samsung battery maker, etc.], heads will roll over this one.
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I went to Verizon's website and the Note 7 is not available for sale, so they certainly know about it.
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You can purchase, but the ship date has slipped to 9/30. Just yesterday, it was 9/7.

I'm beyond pissed guys (although I think we all are) I've had no problems with my VZW Note 7.... Great battery life and good performance and never gets too warm. Man what Android OEM doesn't have problems.... I've thought about LG devices but they have the bootloop problems!

I wonder if they'll let me choose a different color. I love the black, but that blue looks good too.
Regardless. This is a major PITA.
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I bought my note 7 from ebay, so what will be my options to get replacement ? not sure who is the original seller ( samsung or verizon or bestbuy _

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I hope I don't need my Spen or the brick and cable because they disappeared mysteriously. Verizon wants $50 to furnish another Spen. Maybe Samsung should address the pen problems as well,
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If you go to Samsung's website, you can file a repair thing for the spen. Just had to do it yesterday. The clicker part only halfway works so it gets stuck. All you got to do is print the label and send it in. I ordered one for $33 off of. Samusungs Amazon page, that I'll return once I get the new one. Figure it'll work in the meantime.

Do you think this is an out for everyone who cracked their screens?

My guess as to how they will handle the actual recall is that Samsung, or the carrier that you bought your phone from will send you a new phone, and you send the old phone back in the box that the new phone came in (they will have the return shipping labels in the box). Of course you will get an email stating the exact procedures prior to them sending the new phones. This is the only way I can think of so that the user is not without a phone during the recall. Just my opinion!

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My guess as to how they will handle the actual recall is that Samsung, or the carrier that you bought your phone from will send you a new phone, and you send the old phone back in the box that the new phone came in (they will have the return shipping labels in the box). Of course you will get an email stating the exact procedures prior to them sending the new phones. This is the only way I can think of so that the user is not without a phone during the recall. Just my opinion!
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Well i bought from Ebay seller, not sure how my return is handled

Samsung halting Note7 production: They think it's all over? It is now!

https://goo.gl/OVRwDe
Samsung has reportedly halted production of the Galaxy Note 7 in association with China and US authorities after several replacement units caught on fire.
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I read this but you know, out of how many million phones have been sold only 8 phones have caught fire. This doesn't mean all Note 7's are bad. In a mass produced item there is some fallout. Now this is a doozie no doubt but at least give Samsung a chance to investigate. I have a Note 7 and absolutely love it. If I have to send it back I will. But I aint gonna go turning it in just yet. It would be different if there were hundreds catching fire. But only 8 out of how many.... This just my opinion though.
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As of now, it's a temporary stop. Not permanent.
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This stop is likely a temporary one for safety until they can investigate all the reports. That way if there IS still a fault they have limited output. If there ISN'T them they can just restart.
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I read this but you know, out of how many million phones have been sold only 8 phones have caught fire. This doesn't mean all Note 7's are bad. In a mass produced item there is some fallout. Now this is a doozie no doubt but at least give Samsung a chance to investigate. I have a Note 7 and absolutely love it. If I have to send it back I will. But I aint gonna go turning it in just yet. It would be different if there were hundreds catching fire. But only 8 out of how many.... This just my opinion though.
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8 over what time frame? Curious to see if they rolled the dice how many of these would flame out over two years. I bet enough it would shock most people.
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My phone has been running like a champ.
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2nd deja vu happening again , now they are dealing with ion batteries not other hardware or anything , dont think samsung wants a third one , one thing i dont understand is why would they recall the whole set rather then recall the battery

Ugh, how could there be a second issue.
Anyone want to guess at the second issue?
Phone too thin? Part poking the battery? Battery not actually fixed? Different battery issue? Bad batteries made it in? Chemistry wrong?

It's over. Production won't be started again, stopping production is a massive thing and Samsung obviously know they have a design fault . Samsung will cut its losses and scrap the Note 7 because the brand is now ruined and trust is lost. Very sad.

I think it's more An economic decision. Until they are sure there's no problem, why continue production?

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I think it's more An economic decision. Until they are sure there's no problem, why continue production?
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If they were confident in their engineering and knew there was no problem they wouldn't stop. They obviously think there is a problem and are winding down. Theyre not going to say straight away there's a fault and "recall", it'll be "were looking into it". The phone is done for.

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8 over what time frame? Curious to see if they rolled the dice how many of these would flame out over two years. I bet enough it would shock most people.
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I'm just gonna wait and see what the say before I turn mine in. I can always go back to my N4 if need be. Dunno on your question, good point too and what plant they can be tracked to.. If they have multiple plants.
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Samsung has reportedly halted production of the Galaxy Note 7 in association with China and US authorities after several replacement units caught on fire.
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I really love N7 in term of hardware and what Samsung has done to the Note series to make it what it is today minus the problematic battery. Really hope they can bounce back for the N8. Shame that this may be the end of N7. With it, I do not know if there is a point of keeping the phone since halting production can also mean slow and can possibly stop software supports??!?!?

I'm just curious why there are no such cases in the rest of the world???it seems only in the US and in Taiwan ??
yes that's right

What ever is going on media is slowly killing the device... even me that loved and wanted this phone for ages are starting to wonder. I still doubt that any of new events are true but company like T-mobile with Apple help are killing this device. They don't need any proof they will be always able to fake an accident and this will be always a hit to Samsung... The best phone in world and with such problem it starts to become the worst... Who knows what will happen I'am still waiting for mine. Ordered on AUG17 and now should get it on OCT17 but this can always change. It's so SAD because with this N7 Samsung would 100% killed Apple and would have a more solid ground next year.

No explosion in EU, yet. Only in USA and Korea. Strange

mk89pwnz said:
What ever is going on media is slowly killing the device... even me that loved and wanted this phone for ages are starting to wonder. I still doubt that any of new events are true but company like T-mobile with Apple help are killing this device. They don't need any proof they will be always able to fake an accident and this will be always a hit to Samsung...
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This. If anything the last couple of weeks made me hate the media even more (if that's possible). Hate is a strong word but there's something fundamentally wrong in our society with the way news are transported. Most of these articles are so phony it screams staging.

Nobody knows the true extent of the numbers. Only Samsung and it's not going to ever reveal the true figures. Even if it says it has. However aggressive anyone feels about the news coverage, certain sites have done a lot to verify their sources. Problem is a large company like Samsung cannot move as fast, plus investigating all the issues is not a quick process.
Regardless of the above paragraph , Samsung would not have done the first recall, now be stopping production temporarily if there wasn't a real issue.
I do wonder why there have been no reports in the EU too. It could mean there haven't been any, and or Samsung silenced any that had arisen. Don't forget not everyone wants to take a photo and upload to social media.

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No explosion in EU, yet. Only in USA and Korea. Strange
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We have 230V with a fixed 'zero' and only Exynos models. Perhaps that has something to do with regards to the quickcharging? But only a few phones are delivered here.
I think the 'refurbished' phones after the recall are actually regular production line phones, but X-rayed, updated and repackaged. If the X-ray showed nothing, I think you could still have a gen1 phone that is now bursting into flames. I don't think they will go through the trouble of opening up 2,5m phones and replace the batteries. That is more labour and time intensive than to bring out new units for about $200-250 worth of materials.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/09/sams...ended-production-of-galaxy-note-7-report.html
Full statement is they are adjusting the supply to the demand. US customers which is probably their biggest base, don't want the phone anymore.

Anyone keeping their Note 7 inspite of recall?

I'm happy with my 7.
Until there is a replacement phone with a stylus (or my phone explodes) I will be keeping my Note 7

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I'm happy with my 7.
Until there is a replacement phone with a stylus (or my phone explodes) I will be keeping my Note 7
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No. Once recalled you are taking on a lot of the risk by not turning it in. You also will get no updates.
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I would not be surprised if Samsung disables all Note 7s at this point.
I am moving onto the Pixel XL.
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Mr. Toad said:
I would not be surprised if Samsung disables all Note 7s at this point.
I am moving onto the Pixel XL.
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Yeah. They killed off support in gear VR for the note 7 already. Don't want phones blowing up in people's faces.
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Yeah. They killed off support in gear VR for the note 7 already. Don't want phones blowing up in people's faces.
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Yeah, I just saw that on reddit. I wonder if there will be an 8 of of they are just going to rebrand it.
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Grrr I want to keep it as long as possible. Maybe when the v20 comes out and gets root I would consider changing.

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Grrr I want to keep it as long as possible. Maybe when the v20 comes out and gets root I would consider changing.
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I'm with you, but if you really think about it, it isn't a wise decision. Pisses me off though!
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I talked to Verizon earlier, and they said I could swap my Note out for a temporary phone until the Pixel releases. They also said they would waive the restocking fee on both exchanges, so I think that's the route I'm going to take. I really love the Note 7, but I just don't wanna risk losing everything due to a fire

I know Samsung has stated we should return them, but does that make it an official recall?
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Well I never sold my Note 4 because I thought this might happen so I guess its back to that :'(

They can't say the word "Recall" yet because there are legal ramifications that comes with, so its basically a Recall without the Recall. I don't know my plans yet, I'm going to wait for the V20 probably on the 24th. If there is no resolution on the N7 (Highly Likely) then its either an IP7 Plus, or V20. Im not going to go with the Pixel.

Is the v20 date confirmed? I swear LG has the most botched, hype killing announcement to release datr ratio ever.
I would grab the pixel, but I'm pretty pissed about how Verizon is jacking up the updates. I dont care about cloud storage, so nothing else on that phone stays out beyond a "meh" factor
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Is the v20 date confirmed? I swear LG has the most botched, hype killing announcement to release datr ratio ever.
I would grab the pixel, but I'm pretty pissed about how Verizon is jacking up the updates. I dont care about cloud storage, so nothing else on that phone stays out beyond a "meh" factor
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Rippley you can buy one directly from google and use it on Verizon and still get all the updates. There really is nothing special about that phone though, might get the V20, probably just going back to the Note 4 DE for another year.

At this point I think I would take back my paid off Nexus 6, install Nougat on it, enjoy having a completely unlocked bootloader and unrestricted root, unlimited updates and then expect Samsung to give me a first opportunity to pre-order the Note 8 since I preordered the Note 7, and knock like half the cost of the Note 8 as a way of saying thanks. I think you guys thinking you want a fully paid for Note 8 are a bit overstepping. You never actually paid for the Note 7.
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Rippley you can buy one directly from google and use it on Verizon and still get all the updates. There really is nothing special about that phone though, might get the V20, probably just going back to the Note 4 DE for another year.
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Yea but I'm not paying full price and Google wants damn near perfect credit to finance one.
The v20 is interesting, but LG had so many heat, screen throttle and keyboard lag issues with my g3 and g4. I have a hard time trusting them.
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neyenlives said:
At this point I think I would take back my paid off Nexus 6, install Nougat on it, enjoy having a completely unlocked bootloader and unrestricted root, unlimited updates and then expect Samsung to give me a first opportunity to pre-order the Note 8 since I preordered the Note 7, and knock like half the cost of the Note 8 as a way of saying thanks. I think you guys thinking you want a fully paid for Note 8 are a bit overstepping. You never actually paid for the Note 7.
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Do we even know if there will be a Note 8?

ChrisAC84 said:
I talked to Verizon earlier, and they said I could swap my Note out for a temporary phone until the Pixel releases. They also said they would waive the restocking fee on both exchanges, so I think that's the route I'm going to take. I really love the Note 7, but I just don't wanna risk losing everything due to a fire[/QUOTE
Bull Verizon made the exchange very difficult.
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Yea but I'm not paying full price and Google wants damn near perfect credit to finance one.
The v20 is interesting, but LG had so many heat, screen throttle and keyboard lag issues with my g3 and g4. I have a hard time trusting them.
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My main issue is that the v20 might not have root and a phone is useless to me without it.

Likely, Samsung will at the very least implement the 60% battery limit or disable fast charging. There is also talk that carriers could deactivate IMEIs by a certain date.

I just got off the phone with Verizon.
Seems that its a voluntary recall. The Verizon rep said I can upgrade my phone at any time but I can keep my Note 7 until I find a phone I like.
Not loving the Pixel Xl so I will be for the New LG. If I don't like the LG I can wait for the Galaxy S8 in 4 months without the fear of my Note being turned off.

So what will Samsung do with 5 million recalled devices?

Ship them to North Korea?

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Ship them to North Korea?
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Burn them
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Use them to fight isis

They will just reuse parts in S8

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They will just reuse parts in S8
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hmmm possibility is there .

You know what. They had a chance to fix this. Now they screwed over their most faithful customers the SECOND time. Causing most of us expences for accessories etc we are likely never to get back. Causing us anxiety keeping us in the dark. As far as I am concerned, the company can die. It is one thing to mess up once. No, they did it TWICE. I am so mad right now.

Or make that ~6" Note that was looming and tested. Perhaps the battery was designed for the flat version and got too crammed in the edged version.

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You know what. They had a chance to fix this. Now they screwed over their most faithful customers the SECOND time. Causing most of us expences for accessories etc we are likely never to get back. Causing us anxiety keeping us in the dark. As far as I am concerned, the company can die. It is one thing to mess up once. No, they did it TWICE. I am so mad right now.
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We all are... And the frustrating part is that there is no other phone that would even compare to Note 7... maybe S7E but it must to receive Grace UI fast. But still the body of N7 will be only awailable with S8 and maybe we will get a 4000 battery and a 6GB of RAM. But to wait for like 5 month nahh...

I would buy a Note 7 that is recalled, as long as it wasn't getting hot through use and charging. I'd buy one for about $400. But not more. I don't have more than $400 to burn.

Sell them to Weber?

You can expect an update disabling these phones and an IMEI block.

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You know what. They had a chance to fix this. Now they screwed over their most faithful customers the SECOND time. Causing most of us expences for accessories etc we are likely never to get back. Causing us anxiety keeping us in the dark. As far as I am concerned, the company can die. It is one thing to mess up once. No, they did it TWICE. I am so mad right now.
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I can certainly see why you feel this way. My wife and I got 3 different Samsung covers (flip cover, LED and the see-through) and a variety of leather cases and screen protectors. I'd be surprised if I get the money back I spend on that. And what to think of the vendors who produced these, and likely have lots in stock... Ugh, I'd hate to be on that end. It's seriously frustrating indeed... I guess I'm glad I still have my Note 4, most likely I'll go back to that until there's something comparable
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You can expect an update disabling these phones and an IMEI block.
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They better give people time to make necessary backups and whatnot, or I expect several class action lawsuits... they may already happen anyways, who knows.

B3501 said:
You can expect an update disabling these phones and an IMEI block.
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totally inaccurate. IMEI blocking is done strictly through carriers. Since Samsung has no idea what phones are used on what carriers, they cannot block IMEI numbers.

If they dropped all Note 7s to the North, will they consider it an Act of War?
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You would think instead of completely scraping all the devices they made they would look at modifying and reselling the devices.
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Replace the non removable battery with a removable battery.

AstroDigital said:
You would think instead of completely scraping all the devices they made they would look at modifying and reselling the devices.
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Replace the non removable battery with a removable battery.
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Or offer a mains-powered upgrade? So you have to plug it in to use it?