Hi,
I'm still running the OEM WM6.1 which came with my TP2. I'm interested in installing an updated version (custom?), but is a bit confused at this stage. What's the difference between a ROM, Splash and Radio? Also, my TP2 has an IMEI number, does that mean it is a GSM device and not a CDMA device?
I'm really worried about bricking it...
Thanks in advance!
Also, what is Sense, Manilla, etc.?
RTFM :~D
When someone mentions their rom, they usually mean their operating system...for instance, a cooked rom, would be a modified WinMo 6.x
A radio rom (not to be confuzzled with an FM radio) is what picks up your telephone signals.
A splash is the opening screen when you first boot your device...on mine it would be T-mo then WinMo...this can be modified, as there are usually 3 initial screens, my first screen is custom made by me (there is a great tutorial on doing that), the second is an animated gif which currently is T-mo and I will eventually change, the third is WinMo which I will also eventually change once I find images I like enough. Most cooks use either their own splash or just generic ones from HTC/WinMo. The splash is just a matter of personal taste...some people don't care if it is their carrier branding/HTC/WinMo, others want it very personal. Changing the splash usually won't have any effect on your rom other than cosmetic...you do not see the splash unless you are booting the device.
I would very strongly urge you to read every and all stickies/wiki's posted in the Rhodium section of xda. Once you have read every post in each of the above mentioned stickies/wiki's, read them again...if you don't want a brick, then educating yourself is the best way. Believe it or not, many if not all of your questions can be answered with a little reading and some searching. There is in fact an excellent tutorial to read before flashing to a new rom...
Thank you!
So a Radio ROM flash is not really a good idea if there is nothing wrong? I'm getting signal problems, could it be the Radio ROM?
I'm reading as much as possible, I really do not want to get it wrong.
If you have to ask these questions then I'd advise you to leave the whole subject well alone. The chances of you getting in a mess are much increased by your basic lack of understanding and unless you're having SERIOUS problems with your phone as it is I don't think it's wise for you to get involved.
Analogy time :
Almost all of my computers at home run Linux and I wouldn't have it any other way. But there's no way I'd advise my mum to even think about it at the moment because she still doesn't like land lines with buttons.
If you are having SERIOUS problems with reception then first of all I'd try and see whether a different phone on the same network has problems too. It could well be the network coverage where you are. If it doesn't then read the ROM section CAREFULLY. All the information you need is there and there should be no need to ask questions if you fully understand what is written. If you don't the don't !
Also I would advise that this is posted in the wrong section and should be in the ROM section
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If you have to ask these questions then I'd advise you to leave the whole subject well alone. The chances of you getting in a mess are much increased by your basic lack of understanding and unless you're having SERIOUS problems with your phone as it is I don't think it's wise for you to get involved.
Analogy time :
I almost all of my computers at home run Linux and I wouldn't have it any other way. But there's no way I'd advise my mum to even think about it at the moment because she still doesn't like land lines with buttons.
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Thanks, I get what you are saying...but, I'm a quick learner and asked the questions because I'm researching it, so know everything before I try.
Check here for all you need to know.
Hi Everyone,
As an individual that has recently migrated from the Hero forums where radio flashes are recommended on a willy nilly basis to "solve" common problems (such as GPS or wifi issues), I have to ask, why is the attitude on the opposite side of the spectrum here? I'm open to technical explanations or anything else that may be relevant.
On the Hero side of things, I noticed that most bricks were products of user error. Considering that HTC released both a GSM and CDMA version of the device (and naming them exactly the same), many unsuspecting users would brick by flashing a CDMA radio on a GSM Hero. In other cases, impatient users would pull the battery during the flashing process -- all while unaware of the consequences.
So, I'd like to hear different opinions on this seemingly contentious issue (as I do see users recommending radio flashes in light of the warnings from developers to not touch the radio at all).
Thank you.
Anybody recommending flashing radios on a "willy nilly basis" are flippin' retards. Doesn't matter if your phone is a 32A (Hero/Magic), 32B (Dream/Magic), or a Vision.
The risks are as follows;
1) An incorrect or incomplete flash WILL render the hardware "bricked".
2) A radio that is incompatible with the hardware or the SPL *WILL* render the hardware "bricked".
Go into the DREAM forums and count just how many people bricked their phones due to something really stupid, like incompatibility with the SPL.... there is always a chance that a new radio will be incompatible with an old SPL. Especially since there are FOUR DIFFERENT SPLs available for Vision.... US/International shipping SPLs, US/International ENGINEERING SPLs. Note that the ENGINEERING SPLs carry older version numbers than the SHIPPING SPLs, so new radios will NOT be made to have compatibility with engineering SPLs in mind.
Is there someone out there that can help clarify the proper way to determine the correct radio for each Desire Z that is out there? This would be the biggest help to all. Education of the proper procedure and the correct radios to use would be more of an asset than having everone scare each other with tales of the bricked phone! If we had an accurate listing for each phone with the MD5 of the files involved there would not be nearly as many bricked phones. I have no doubts the Mods would sticky it for us also.
This is a site that we all come to to learn and I am sure we all enjoy experimenting with our phones and want to do it as safely as possible.
I currently use an Inspire 4g and it took me 7 radios before I found the one that worked to my satisfaction with the rom I am using in the area of the world that I live in. I found it, now I leave it alone.
Why am I putting my .02 in you may ask? I am waiting for a desire Z that I bought on ebay to arrive so I can experiment with it as a spare phone. I just sold 2 Captivates that were spares to get the DZ. I would love to have an accurate source of information that I can further my own education.
I do not have the knowledge to do this or I would but I am sure there are some people that are a lot more intellegent than I that can.
Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted to make sure I did not come across sounding pushy. Just a thought to help all concerned.
SNadler said:
Is there someone out there that can help clarify the proper way to determine the correct radio for each Desire Z that is out there? This would be the biggest help to all. Education of the proper procedure and the correct radios to use would be more of an asset than having everone scare each other with tales of the bricked phone! If we had an accurate listing for each phone with the MD5 of the files involved there would not be nearly as many bricked phones. I have no doubts the Mods would sticky it for us also.
This is a site that we all come to to learn and I am sure we all enjoy experimenting with our phones and want to do it as safely as possible.
I currently use an Inspire 4g and it took me 7 radios before I found the one that worked to my satisfaction with the rom I am using in the area of the world that I live in. I found it, now I leave it alone.
Why am I putting my .02 in you may ask? I am waiting for a desire Z that I bought on ebay to arrive so I can experiment with it as a spare phone. I just sold 2 Captivates that were spares to get the DZ. I would love to have an accurate source of information that I can further my own education.
I do not have the knowledge to do this or I would but I am sure there are some people that are a lot more intellegent than I that can.
Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted to make sure I did not come across sounding pushy. Just a thought to help all concerned.
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Every phone sold in regular mobile phone shops on this earth is provided with the correct radio for the region where it is sold. As in a closed box with EMEI numbers and all the stuff on it. If you live in the outback of Australia and buy (through Ebay) a phone originated for Estonia then you could be in for a surprise.
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Every phone sold in regular mobile phone shops on this earth is provided with the correct radio for the region where it is sold. As in a closed box with EMEI numbers and all the stuff on it. If you live in the outback of Australia and buy (through Ebay) a phone originated for Estonia then you could be in for a surprise.
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That is exactly my point.
There are a lot of people that for one reason or another WILL change their radio. Why not make it so all that do are educated on the proper way to do it and have a correct listing of the proper radio for each device with the coresponding MD5 to minimize the issues? Is this not part of what xda is all about? IMHO it will help all concerned.
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That is exactly my point.
There are a lot of people that for one reason or another WILL change their radio. Why not make it so all that do are educated on the proper way to do it and have a correct listing of the proper radio for each device with the coresponding MD5 to minimize the issues? Is this not part of what xda is all about? IMHO it will help all concerned.
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It is here!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970809
First of all it should be briefly noted that I am complete beginner on the subject of rooting, although I do have some basic knowledge of actually what it is.
But, apart from that I want to divert myself away from the confusion. Having watched/read at least 15 tutorials on the process, I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
Anyway, although most of you experts out there are probably going to be annoyed by another post like this but having done some extensive research on the process in such a small amount of time I still feel that things aren't clarified, which is probably why a lot of people do it wrong. I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
Any help breaking down the process from start to finish would be great.
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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First of all it should be briefly noted that I am complete beginner on the subject of rooting, although I do have some basic knowledge of actually what it is.
But, apart from that I want to divert myself away from the confusion. Having watched/read at least 15 tutorials on the process, I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
Anyway, although most of you experts out there are probably going to be annoyed by another post like this but having done some extensive research on the process in such a small amount of time I still feel that things aren't clarified, which is probably why a lot of people do it wrong. I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
Any help breaking down the process from start to finish would be great.
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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I assume that you have the fastboot files for the htc one x .
If not then please search on xda
Make sure u backup all your important data,contacts,etc
Step 1. Register on htcdev.com
Step 2. Unlocking the bootloader
Enable usb debugging on your phone
Power off your hox
Hold power button and volume down to get into bootloader
Select fastboot
Connect hox to ur pc using usb cable
Open command prompt
Go to your fastboot folder ex. cd c:\fastboot
type "fastboot oem get_identifier_token" without quotes
Copy the token code.. check on htcdev site for copying that token code
Submit your token code
Wait for an email from htc
After you get, download the Unlock_code.bin file from the email u received
Copy it to ur fastboot folder
In command prompt type "fastboot flash unlocktoken Unlock_code.bin" without quotes
On your hox u will be prompted with "Unlock bootloader?"
Choose yes using volume buttons and then press power button
This unlocks your bootloader.
Sry gtg, will post on how to root, after sometime..
Till then unlock your bootloader.
Is the phone branded? Is the phone evita or endeavoru? Check the bootloader
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There are lots of youtube video of the process.
It's really easy, if you follow them there is nothing dangerous that might happen.
Check this tool, it may make your life easier.
Good luck
Check the post by Hasoon in the stickies. Truly foolproof
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Craiglivesey94 said:
First of all it should be briefly noted that I am complete beginner on the subject of rooting, although I do have some basic knowledge of actually what it is.
But, apart from that I want to divert myself away from the confusion. Having watched/read at least 15 tutorials on the process, I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
Anyway, although most of you experts out there are probably going to be annoyed by another post like this but having done some extensive research on the process in such a small amount of time I still feel that things aren't clarified, which is probably why a lot of people do it wrong. I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
Any help breaking down the process from start to finish would be great.
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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One thing to make absolutely clear is that there is absolutely never, ever an exact foolproof method. The rooting process is as simple as it can be made and yet many fools somehow manage to screw their devices.
You are looking for a guarantee, a process that is "undeniably going to work". You are NOT going to get one.
Skipping some questions...
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I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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You better be sure don't just assumed. Listen for Stefan0vic check your bootloader(hboot).
Craiglivesey94 said:
I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
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Because I'm not gonna spams if I'd do it correctly without problems. You better don't want to go through any exact noob proof methods believe me, else you'll most likely ended up with some bogus mistake/error accompany by panic and shout help me xda-ers...
Craiglivesey94 said:
... should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
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Since we're using official bootloader unlocked process not s-off, we're actually immuned to hard bricking our phone. Unharmful soft bricking happening sometimes, however 99% of human mistake or boot image did't flash properly. Assumed that you're not going to flashes any custom ROM thus you will most unlikely to face bootloop btw.
Craiglivesey94 said:
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
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Trickier parts. First let me explained how official OTA updates apply, it checks and verifying on many aspects to ensure integrity of the ROM. If you removed system apps, themed on it, altered framework files, you will fail to complete OTA update. Even you don't do somethings like I said, you will still lost root access after successfully apply though simple re-rooting resolve the problem.
To play safe, make sure you find a RUU for your phone (according to your phone's CID; edeavoru/evita does matter) with greater or same version number as your current. Else you might wanna to make yourself one immediately you unlokced your phone or look in the [Stock Nandroid Backups for Different CIDs] thread on this sub-forum. The reason to do that is so you can always fallback to original ROM state for an official OTA.
If the guides on this forum are not clear enough for you then you should not be attempting to do anything with your phone. There are a multitude of threads on here and 99% of them are aimed at the beginner and are as simple as they can be. If you cannot follow them then you haven't read enough. Please remember this is a Forum for developers and everyone else, including myself, is a guest here. No one is under any obligation to explain anything or provide guides of any kind, they do it because they want to. You are basically making a post directed at the people who have provided guides out of the goodness of their hearts and telling them that those guides are useless. That's not a very nice thing to do. And yes, this is another unnecessary thread
You have been clued
I'm not sure as to where I have implied or stated that the guides posted by the developers are in fact useless. I said that a lot of people make mistakes, partly due to miss understanding and miss information. If it what was that clear and fool proof people wouldn't have problems with the process, I've seen a number of people make mistakes following these guides.
It may also be a seemingly pointless post to you, and other developers, but to someone who isn't and isn't familiar with this kind of process, I have found it to be beneficial in clarifying some points I wanted to know.
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Thanks for response, I was worried I wouldn't be getting the 4.2.2 update whenever it arrives.
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Nice! I will refer my friends to this every time I get the "what is rooting" question.
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Craiglivesey94 said:
I'm not sure as to where I have implied or stated that the guides posted by the developers are in fact useless. I said that a lot of people make mistakes, partly due to miss understanding and miss information. If it what was that clear and fool proof people wouldn't have problems with the process, I've seen a number of people make mistakes following these guides.
It may also be a seemingly pointless post to you, and other developers, but to someone who isn't and isn't familiar with this kind of process, I have found it to be beneficial in clarifying some points I wanted to know.
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It is clear and it is foolproof. I'm no expert and I used the guides to which you are referring. The problem, which you don't seem to be able to understand, is that the people who are having problems have not read and understood everything before they proceed. And you have implied that the guides are no good, again. It is not mis-information, it is impatience. Read, read and read again, use the search button and read once more. Everything you ask has been answered over and over again and everyone is fed up of seeing the same questions multiple times a day. Have a look in almost any rom thread and you will see that devs and team members are repeating themselves constantly simply because people can't or won't use the search button and fail to read previous posts.
Pause a little and think how the author of a help post must feel when they read that their guide is being reported as incomplete or incorrect after spending countless hours making sure the information is correct.
Rest assured that all guides are correct and accurate, if they weren't they would only be devs on here and no users.
Where are the cakes?
I'm not sure how use words like 'incomplete' or 'incorrect' when I have used neither to describe the developers guides.
For the third time, I said miss understanding and miss information on behalf of the users who are attempting the guides. Not at all did I say or imply that the developers guides are useless. Now, I fully understand the point you're making about this being annoying, I just failed to understand how annoying this actually is on a large scale. I'm new to forums like this and it's obvious now that repetitive posts become annoying after many people have already discuss them, to which I apologise for.
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New to this device and, for the 1st time I find myself in XDA with a forum with all the different Verizon, AT&T and so on version of my device (previously had only devices that would not show these options).
Now I know this question may sound sort of idiotic, but one has to learn somehow: All the different roms listed in the specific carriers areas would not work in the "standard" international version of this device?
I ask this because, compared to most other devices I see that the choice of roms is very, very limited. So i thought that, being able to choose also from the carrier-specific areas, one would have more choice.
Thanks
astrovale said:
New to this device and, for the 1st time I find myself in XDA with a forum with all the different Verizon, AT&T and so on version of my device (previously had only devices that would not show these options).
Now I know this question may sound sort of idiotic, but one has to learn somehow: All the different roms listed in the specific carriers areas would not work in the "standard" international version of this device?
I ask this because, compared to most other devices I see that the choice of roms is very, very limited. So i thought that, being able to choose also from the carrier-specific areas, one would have more choice.
Thanks
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I'm sure someone will be able to provide a more detailed and accurate explanation, but generally you don't want to flash anything not specifically made for your device. At the least you could have connectivity issues, at worst, a bootloop and/or brick depending on the situation.
There are some instances where flashing other variants software is OK, but its not the norm, and should not be assumed you can flash any, just because its OK to flash one.
Hopefully someone will jump in and point out which ones if any are OK for you to use.
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I'm sure someone will be able to provide a more detailed and accurate explanation, but generally you don't want to flash anything not specifically made for your device. At the least you could have connectivity issues, at worst, a bootloop and/or brick depending on the situation.
There are some instances where flashing other variants software is OK, but its not the norm, and should not be assumed you can flash any, just because its OK to flash one.
Hopefully someone will jump in and point out which ones if any are OK for you to use.
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I should have probably added that the question is inherently stupid, because, if it were easy or even simply not "dangerous", the sections would not be separated! But it is always better to ask, even if sometimes you risk of appearing very stupid! Sometimes, by simply asking though I found out pretty surprising things
Thanks for lending a hand mate :good:
Luca
I started with iPhone many moons ago, then transitioned to Android / Samsung back around the S3 days. Been with Sammy ever since, but they are starting to get like Apple in that they are VERY unfriendly to the mod community and they go to great lengths to stop it. They are also killing their phones with Bloatware.
I am toying with going to either the M8 or M9 with my next upgrade (coming from Galaxy S5). Does HTC tend to have a major security war with their users or are they a little more lax? Does rooting void their warranty like it does with Sammy?
Thanks in advance.
~Vol
Vol4Ever said:
I started with iPhone many moons ago, then transitioned to Android / Samsung back around the S3 days. Been with Sammy ever since, but they are starting to get like Apple in that they are VERY unfriendly to the mod community and they go to great lengths to stop it. They are also killing their phones with Bloatware.
I am toying with going to either the M8 or M9 with my next upgrade (coming from Galaxy S5). Does HTC tend to have a major security war with their users or are they a little more lax? Does rooting void their warranty like it does with Sammy?
Thanks in advance.
~Vol
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Get the HTC M9. The M8 is really good, but the M9 fixes just about all of the M8 shortcomings. For unlocking and rooting, HTC is really simple and HTC facilitates the process. You just create an account on htcdev.com and submit a request for an unlock token. A few minutes later HTC sends you an email with the unlock token. Once you have that, you connect your phone to your computer and unlock but using fastboot commands. Once unlocked, you can install a custom recovery, again using fastboot commands, then just enter custom recovery (TWRP), go to the twrp reboot menu and select reboot, then twrp will say hey, you're not rooted, do you want to flash SuperSU and you swipe to flash it. Phone will boot into OS, you open the SuperSU apk and follow some screen prompts and one more reboot and your good to go.
That's it.
Supposedly, simply unlocking no longer voids your warranty, but if it appears that the phone broke because of running a custom rom (like, it overheated and the insides melted), they likely will not void the warranty.
Another reason you should get the M9...in the states, we get uh oh protection. So...you can do anything to your phone...drop it in the toilet, run over it with the car, whatever, and they will replace it, for free, for 1 year (including free overnight shipping of the new phone to you, then you send the broken one back)...so, you really don't need to put this beautiful phone in a case until either the year is up, or you get your second one. Also, if you don't use the uh oh protection, HTC gives you $100 off your next HTC phone. It's a pretty sweet deal.
I agree with the above post. My m9 has been awesome! I recently came from an s3 that had a locked bootloader thanks to Verizon and so I got the dev edition. So far I have flash at least 4 different firmwares and have tried almost every rom that's available. It's extremely easy to do once you get s-off. It will be a little bit of a learning curve so make sure to read the instructions carefully and read down the threads in order to anticipate anything that may go wrong.
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Vol4Ever said:
I started with iPhone many moons ago, then transitioned to Android / Samsung back around the S3 days. Been with Sammy ever since, but they are starting to get like Apple in that they are VERY unfriendly to the mod community and they go to great lengths to stop it. They are also killing their phones with Bloatware.
I am toying with going to either the M8 or M9 with my next upgrade (coming from Galaxy S5). Does HTC tend to have a major security war with their users or are they a little more lax? Does rooting void their warranty like it does with Sammy?
Thanks in advance.
~Vol
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If you come from flashing Sammy roms like I did, then I suggest you think really carefully before buying the M9. I dont hate my M9 as much as when I first bought it, but in hindsight I perhaps should have stuck with sammy. Flashing custom roms and updating firmware on Sammy is easy compared with htc M9 , and the M9 threads are alot more 'quiet' then Sammy S4 , S5 or note4 threads . Also you will find ALOT of conflicting/confusing instructions for M9, especially if you come from Sammy roms.
Here are some other posts worth reading before you decide buy M9 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60244822
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60245457
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61298935
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60238311
With htc you have worry about S-on S-off then CID and supercid, then lock bootloader to run RUU or unlock to run 0PAIMG.zip files (which they call RUUs but they are different to RUU.exe files of course, but still called RUUs), must use smaller than 32Gb FAT32 sd card to update your firmware using sd card method, use htc_fastboot or fastboot etc etc. So confusing if you are from Sammy.
Then if someone, not new to flashing, asks a question and they get "search its been answered many times!' When actually the instructions can sometimes be slightly different from one thread to another , and some threads , not all, simply do not explain clearly why you need to do this or that, and/or give conflicting or incomplete instructions. You will have much less headache with Sammy devices. Also M9 u need to go back to stock to get an OTAs (if you are S-on). So all I am saying is read the M9 threads first, and get a feel if you want to take the dive. But if you want a challenge after (easy) customizing, Sammy roms, then M9 is definitely a good choice. Also there is NO cyanogen for M9 at the moment. But seems there some gr8 roms like Viper, Maximus, Insertcoin and Android Revolution..(.but you gotta make sure your M9s firmware MATCHES the roms firmware before even thinking about flashing them.) Just my two cents worth.
It is not really that hard when you know what you are doing. It is gonna be different with each device. You are just accustomed to doing it a certain way. It is always best to follow the golden rule here in XDA. Search first, read read read, and then ask questions. You also have to remember the M9 is a 64 bit phone, so there will be new challenges.
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It is not really that hard when you know what you are doing. It is gonna be different with each device. You are just accustomed to doing it a certain way. It is always best to follow the golden rule here in XDA. Search first, read read read, and then ask questions. You also have to remember the M9 is a 64 bit phone, so there will be new challenges.
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sure. of course its not rocket science. Ya Everyone knows "Search first, read read read, and then ask questions" but the problem is conflicting info. and Just that the Sammy threads' instructions IMO generally were ALOT clearer and less conflicting and confusing info. and its not just me, I noticed alot of other users had noted same experience in the HTC M9 threads. Its no wonder people keep asking same questions still. IMO If the OP's of alot of the threads were "clearer" and more" complete" in their first instructions, I am sure we would have alot less people in confusion asking things like "help me/ hold my hand to restore to stock/I followed instructions but got error still why". And the biggest problem is the fact that the M9 was a disaster for htc. so as a result, the M9 threads are much more quiet, fewer users, and less active than Sammy threads. My only hope is with the second-hand market forming in the next 6 months, that the M9 threads will pick up, hence more custom roms and updates, when people buy it , when its cheaper.
Samsung is a much bigger and more known company. It's phone sales are huge compared to HTC and that will relate to much more active forums. I understand what you are saying, but like I said every device will be different. When I had my Nexus 4, rooting and flashing roms was a piece.of cake. I would just be careful about over complaining. Nobody here is obligated to help anyone. Be nice and someone will eventually come along with the needed help.
Ive recently done the same. been with sammy for about 4 years, now ive picked the HTC... why? Theyre much more in touch with their users demands. Sure the processes for unlocking / rooting / s-off are a lot different and require you to do some work, but once you get to grips with it it's easy enough and makes you feel more in touch with those sort of processes on your phone.
Also to address the issue mentioned above, the sammy s4 etc have been out a lot longer than the m9 which has only been out a few months so of course it will be quiter in here to start with. *fingers crossed* some more devs will pop up and fill our lives with joy.
The only thing i'm worried about with my recent upgrade to htc m9(literally a few days ago) is that within the year it is going to be outdated by a new device but such is life when you buy in to a 2 year contract lol.
Have faith.
As mentioned above also, at first I was quite daunted by the processes of rooting etc for the HTC and was unsure i'd made the right choice. I considered falling back to sammy but even after this last couple of days i've thought to myself I have made the right choice.
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I am a voracious reader, and I would never attempt to do any type of upgrade without quite a bit of research first. I pretty much have my mind made up on the M9, but AT&T has jacked up their upgrade process. This is a company phone & we are on a legacy plan. Until my boss & I get all that worked out with AT&T, I'll be using my trusty S5. AT&T really ticked me off yesterday when I was in the store, so much that we might even look at an alternate carrier.
Thanks again for the help.
Vol4Ever said:
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I am a voracious reader, and I would never attempt to do any type of upgrade without quite a bit of research first. I pretty much have my mind made up on the M9, but AT&T has jacked up their upgrade process. This is a company phone & we are on a legacy plan. Until my boss & I get all that worked out with AT&T, I'll be using my trusty S5. AT&T really ticked me off yesterday when I was in the store, so much that we might even look at an alternate carrier.
Thanks again for the help.
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Unsolicited advice, if you're going to root and install custom rom and leaked updates, you're better off sticking with a GSM carrier (AT&T or T-Mobile) over Sprint or Verizon. Sprint and Verizon users almost always have to wait for carrier release to get updates. AT&T works with all of the international updates that are released. T-Mobile does too, but they also offer Wi-Fi calling which may not always work with international roms and firmware. just my .02
fernandezhjr said:
Samsung is a much bigger and more known company. It's phone sales are huge compared to HTC and that will relate to much more active forums. I understand what you are saying, but like I said every device will be different. When I had my Nexus 4, rooting and flashing roms was a piece.of cake. I would just be careful about over complaining. Nobody here is obligated to help anyone. Be nice and someone will eventually come along with the needed help.
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You missed the point and Who's over complaining? Obviously no one is obligated to help here or any other thread on xda. My point was if someone wanted to buy an M9 he/she should think carefully before taking the 'dive', and it is a fact the M9 threads are much quieter, right? and did you read the posts the urls I posted above? if you look at the urls i posted previous post you will see alot of other users were confused. I wonder why? They had 'searched and searched' but were still confused, I wonder why?. My question was , why do some threads have to make something so simple sound so complex.? After reading hundreds of post from back to front, I realized that had some posts or more detail/explanation been added to the OP of some threads, quite alot of the confusion could have bee avoided in first place, in M9 threads generally. That was the main difference I observed between sammy threads and M9 threads. I dont hate my M9,but I expected alot more from it. The screen display is lacklustre, some devices have a dead pixel problem, and flashing firmware is a nightmare for some experienced sammy users from what I hv read so far, but yes the sound is excellent on m9 and speed is fast (i know S6 has much higher antutu score but I dont believe those scores completely). but for now I do hope that there will be gradual improvement for M9 as more people get involved when the device becomes cheaper. I Just felt need to point out to any sammy user, think very carefully before you switch to htc M9 , if they want go down the customization route. If you dont want pull your hair out then stick with sammy, but if you are up for a challenge and some headaches in the beginning, definitely go for M9. Because it can only get better.
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You missed the point and Who's over complaining? Obviously no one is obligated to help here or any other thread on xda. My point was if someone wanted to buy an M9 he/she should think carefully before taking the 'dive', and it is a fact the M9 threads are much quieter, right? and did you read the posts the urls I posted above? if you look at the urls i posted previous post you will see alot of other users were confused. I wonder why? They had 'searched and searched' but were still confused, I wonder why?. My question was , why do some threads have to make something so simple sound so complex.? After reading hundreds of post from back to front, I realized that had some posts or more detail/explanation been added to the OP of some threads, quite alot of the confusion could have bee avoided in first place, in M9 threads generally. That was the main difference I observed between sammy threads and M9 threads. I dont hate my M9,but I expected alot more from it. The screen display is lacklustre, some devices have a dead pixel problem, and flashing firmware is a nightmare for some experienced sammy users from what I hv read so far, but yes the sound is excellent on m9 and speed is fast (i know S6 has much higher antutu score but I dont believe those scores completely). but for now I do hope that there will be gradual improvement for M9 as more people get involved when the device becomes cheaper. I Just felt need to point out to any sammy user, think very carefully before you switch to htc M9 , if they want go down the customization route. If you dont want pull your hair out then stick with sammy, but if you are up for a challenge and some headaches in the beginning, definitely go for M9. Because it can only get better.
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I kind of understand what you're saying, but I think the reason a lot of advice seems contradictory is because little variables like S-off/on, region, carrier, GSM/CDMA, etc make a difference in the steps you have to take. Also, in a lot of those posts you linked to they were trying to accomplish different things. For example, many people want to upgrade firmware without being S-off and there are several different ways to accomplish this and at the same time it may not be possible at all for that user (because it depends on their carrier/region).
Many of us who do like to help people find that it's like pulling teeth sometimes to get enough information to even offer a suggestion to people. It really shouldn't be that hard to say 1) exactly what you'd like to accomplish and 2) exactly what steps you've already taken. Finally, and I highly doubt this is unique to the M9 forum, but it's extremely frustrating when either someone just asked the same question a few posts back, or the answer is clearly spelled out in the op.
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I kind of understand what you're saying, but I think the reason a lot of advice seems contradictory is because little variables like S-off/on, region, carrier, GSM/CDMA, etc make a difference in the steps you have to take. Also, in a lot of those posts you linked to they were trying to accomplish different things. For example, many people want to upgrade firmware without being S-off and there are several different ways to accomplish this and at the same time it may not be possible at all for that user (because it depends on their carrier/region).
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I think you hit the nail on the head with this. Wondering Perhaps the M9 threads should be divided into sections for this or that carrier 'only'? Eg Verizon users only , international users only etc ..would it work? It might repeat some instructions , but it would make it more clear for people and save alot of the confusion or contradictions we see? Ie this is your device and you can do this and you cant do this, and this way is better than that way because you are xxx carrier, and this is the reason. I am just thinking especially of the new M9 users to come. Is there a way to Make it simple and clear. As you and others have said, its not difficult once you know how. And at same time , we can try to not sounding over complicated or confusing to them....some guys are really very helpful in the M9 threads, as example , after I got a reply I thought, this is so simple(!), why was it made to sound so complicated in first place? Or I thought why didnt someone put that in the OP? Would have saved alot of people alot of time. But I guess M9 is new, threads are relatively new, I get that , and I am sure we will see more and more interest in M9 , and hence more activity in the threads, as it picks up momentum...
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I think you hit the nail on the head with this. Wondering Perhaps the M9 threads should be divided into sections for this or that carrier 'only'? Eg Verizon users only , international users only etc ..would it work? It might repeat some instructions , but it would make it more clear for people and save alot of the confusion or contradictions we see? Ie this is your device and you can do this and you cant do this, and this way is better than that way because you are xxx carrier, and this is the reason. I am just thinking especially of the new M9 users to come. Is there a way to Make it simple and clear. As you and others have said, its not difficult once you know how. And at same time , we can try to not sounding over complicated or confusing to them....some guys are really very helpful in the M9 threads, as example , after I got a reply I thought, this is so simple(!), why was it made to sound so complicated in first place? Or I thought why didnt someone put that in the OP? Would have saved alot of people alot of time. But I guess M9 is new, threads are relatively new, I get that , and I am sure we will see more and more interest in M9 , and hence more activity in the threads, as it picks up momentum...
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You mean like this?
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Is there an International section? And if there are already different sections for different US carriers , I wonder why are all those confused guys asking in the general forum?
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Is there an International section? And if there are already different sections for different US carriers , I wonder why are all those confused guys asking in the general forum?
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Probably because there is more activity here in the unbranded forum. There are differences with how the various branded phones need to be rooted and roms flashed. Not all the instructions here will work unless you properly debrand/convert the phone.
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Probably because there is more activity here in the unbranded forum. There are differences with how the various branded phones need to be rooted and roms flashed. Not all the instructions here will work unless you properly debrand/convert the phone.
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Which explains some of the confusion..
Just curious, once the US users from AT&T or whatever have debranded to say developer WWE europe .401 firmware, how is the modem/radio/baseband after? Reception and wifi no problems at all or do they have to flash their local carrier radio again to get good signal? (I ask because my S4 was on Poland or German firmware i think but it still worked great in Asia).
For me, HTC are the pinnacle of devices when you plan to root, believe me its a walk in the park, not only that but the community is friendlier, larger and the level of development and developers is second to none. Take a look at my SIG to see the phones I've had, don't get me wrong the s5 is a special device and I used it underwater for many hours and I loved it but I've always missed HTC when I've been away from it, even the note 4 wasn't enough to keep me away..
The choice at the end of the day is yours..for me there is no choice, the m9 is by far and away the best device there is right now, not without faults but that just adds to its character.
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Which explains some of the confusion..
Just curious, once the US users from AT&T or whatever have debranded to say developer WWE europe .401 firmware, how is the modem/radio/baseband after? Reception and wifi no problems at all or do they have to flash their local carrier radio again to get good signal? (I ask because my S4 was on Poland or German firmware i think but it still worked great in Asia).
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Some users have reported the need to flash the radio that comes with the stock firmware. I believe it could be location specific. Best thing to do is if works, don't try to fix it.
dladz said:
For me, HTC are the pinnacle of devices when you plan to root, believe me its a walk in the park, not only that but the community is friendlier, larger and the level of development and developers is second to none. Take a look at my SIG to see the phones I've had, don't get me wrong the s5 is a special device and I used it underwater for many hours and I loved it but I've always missed HTC when I've been away from it, even the note 4 wasn't enough to keep me away..
The choice at the end of the day is yours..for me there is no choice, the m9 is by far and away the best device there is right now, not without faults but that just adds to its character.
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I get your point. Mayb alot of us were spoilt with odin and ease of flashing and customizing sammy devices. My S4 was on CM12.1 lollipop 5.1.1 ages ago , and I didnt need do go back to stock to any 'update firmware' at all when i went from previous lollipop to 5.1.1 so when I got my m9 i was like wtf? ( I thought to myself: Why Gotta go back to stock to take update and then all this s-on s-off cid supercid silly stuff. ) LOL. It didnt help that i had to factory reset my phone 6 times in first few days to get everything working. Mayb i was unlucky as i even had the annoying dead pixel problem in m9. I believe a few other users had same problems. I am sure my m9 gonna get better. I was close to selling it right away, but will stick with it for now. You guys have convinced me its not as bad as it seems. As i said, it can only get better as more users buy the m9 (when it becomes cheaper).
Btw how does the note4 compare with m9 speed wise? Just asking.