Just a discussion came up and made me wonder if this is even possable. This is the place to ask, so here we go.
All WP7 models seem to run at 1ghz or higher, thinking the concept that WM 6.5 runs pretty well on hardware that runs at 400-528mhz range. Would it be possable to have a emulator that runs on the platform so you can run 6.1/6.5 on a WP7 phone ? This would allow you to be able to run some older apps with still having WP7.
I would not expect intense games (maybe a card game ok) to run at full speed or anything but, things like Remote desktop and other base apps might be ok with this.
This type of thing would run on any phone (with 1ghz+ hardware) just depending on if all the hardware is supported.
Or I guess there might be a way to "shut down" 7 and open 6.5 kind of how Android runs on the TP2.
The emulator idea came up because it might be able to run on any model with minor updates vs. a boot up just for one phone.
Just some ideas...even if it is possable.
Thanks for reading and dreaming (well I am still waiting for a Verizon WP7 phone)
No sorry, the emulator runs on the x86 architecture, not on ARM.
Dave
DaveShaw said:
No sorry, the emulator runs on the x86 architecture, not on ARM.
Dave
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Maybe I'm misreading the original question, but it sounds like he is asking if it were possible to have an app that would run old Windows Mobile apps, kind of like Classic on WebOS.
well at present we (3rd party) developers wouldn't be able to make something like this as all the APIs don't actually exist. someone with knowledge of the whole code base of windows phone 7 could probably do it but i doubt we'll see it happen. if there are programs you need on windows phone 7, it is definitely faster to just have it redone. it's really only the UI that needs redoing, if it was written in VB or C#, a lot of the code will still work.
Been a while since I did any hacking it was mainly on the WM platform, WP7 has been limited to keeping my DVP up to date. So forgive me if I ask some redundant questions. I searched and can't seem to find the info I am about to ask.. I did try.
First off has anyone successfully ported a WP7 phone to WP8 ? I searched and couldn't find the answer anywhere. If there is a thread I missed maybe it should be stickied..?
Also is something different about the DVP..? I can not seem to find any Root tools, etc.. that say they work on the DVP. So if Porting to WP8 is available can I get it on a DVP ?
Any way to make 7.8 read as Mango. I have realized a few apps that work on 7.5 and 8 do not recognize 7.8 and won't work on it.
Anyone know why apps on WP8 won't work on WP7 or 7.8..? Are there legit reasons or is MS just blocking them..? I ask because maybe we could trick the programs into thinking we are running 8 when we are running 7.8 wihtout having to actually have 8 installed.
Thanks for all the help and answers.
cdgoin said:
Been a while since I did any hacking it was mainly on the WM platform, WP7 has been limited to keeping my DVP up to date. So forgive me if I ask some redundant questions. I searched and can't seem to find the info I am about to ask.. I did try.
First off has anyone successfully ported a WP7 phone to WP8 ? I searched and couldn't find the answer anywhere. If there is a thread I missed maybe it should be stickied..?
Also is something different about the DVP..? I can not seem to find any Root tools, etc.. that say they work on the DVP. So if Porting to WP8 is available can I get it on a DVP ?
Any way to make 7.8 read as Mango. I have realized a few apps that work on 7.5 and 8 do not recognize 7.8 and won't work on it.
Anyone know why apps on WP8 won't work on WP7 or 7.8..? Are there legit reasons or is MS just blocking them..? I ask because maybe we could trick the programs into thinking we are running 8 when we are running 7.8 wihtout having to actually have 8 installed.
Thanks for all the help and answers.
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And one more reason that I believe because of which wp8 apps won't work on previous devices is because, Microsoft allowed wp8 marketplace apps to be programmed in c to keep more developers coming unlike wp7 which runs Silverlight apps fine..and does not run apps programmed in c by third party developers without policy unlock..
Guys, I've been busy to upgrade my HTC HD2 from WP7 to WP8 and it was successful... mostly
Only thing I cann't get working is Zune or wpbackup; no connection.
wifi / data no problem; marketstore works fine
Go to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21988711&postcount=1876 and have fun!
@ErikH000
Not WP8 but WP7.8
android in win10mobile is hyper-v based, some kind of virtual machine running under windows 10 mobile. if someone knows how that could be replaced let us know
JmanPT said:
android in win10mobile is hyper-v based, some kind of virtual machine running under windows 10 mobile. if someone knows how that could be replaced let us know
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What do you mean by replicated? On PC you can use Hyper-V to run w10m's emulator - and I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but that should work with android too.
crowjob said:
What do you mean by replicated? On PC you can use Hyper-V to run w10m's emulator - and I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but that should work with android too.
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Hi i wrote replaced. Like deleting microsoft sub-android and replacing it by a real android os. That would allow us to run all android apps on the virtual machine in windows 10 mobile. I have a note 3 sm-n9005 and a 1520 4g. I would love to be able to run all my note 3 loved apps in my awesome, beautifull yellow 1520 ?
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Hi i wrote replaced. Like deleting microsoft sub-android and replacing it by a real android os. That would allow us to run all android apps on the virtual machine in windows 10 mobile. I have a note 3 sm-n9005 and a 1520 4g. I would love to be able to run all my note 3 loved apps in my awesome, beautifull yellow 1520
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Sorry, I totally read that wrong. I'm no expert on this stuff, but I know that it's not as easy as dragging/dropping a new OS. They've built android into their OS (in a sense). The interactions between android and the hardware, and Windows 10 Mobile are built in. Technically if you felt like finding every android-related file, you could replace them all and try until you're successful, but it would be a very advanced task to complete.
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This is not currently possible.
Il take a long shot here, THE ANDROID OS is in windows/system32/aow.wim if we can do some minor changes to this we will be good to go. Minor changes been getting gapps, su et some extra permission in there. I will try to extract it do that changes and then put it back in his place and have a go. Wish me luck ( hope it wont harm my lovely phablet)
If your phone is not officially supported by Windows 10 (Lumia 520, 525, 620, 630, 635 (512 MB), 720, 820, 920, 925, 1020, 1320, ...) and you do have Windows 10 installed, do NOT use the WDRT (Windows Device Recovery Tool) which will install Windows 8.x on your device. Since Microsoft no longer offers Windows 10 Threshold releases for unsupported devices in the Release Preview Ring chances are that you'll be unable to update to Windows 10 again.
Further reading:
The gavel has fallen on the Insiders window for W10M for older devices
You can no longer get Windows 10 Mobile on unsupported devices
Of versions and branches - the evolving story of Windows Phone and Windows 10
seems to be a fact since ms introduced the release-preview-ring for redstone. we will see if they offer something like a legacy ring soon
otherwise: still no problem, or lets say still no problem to spoof the devices to get either th2 or redstone
Changing the registry might be beyond users that were only accustomed to joining the Release Preview Ring with the Windows Insider app till now. Some also might not even try out of fear. Thus this warning.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Changing the registry might be beyond users that were only accustomed to joining the Release Preview Ring with the Windows Insider app till now. Some also might not even try out of fear. Thus this warning.
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thats one of the downsides of the insider-programm. ms let anyone in, thus many many many many people doing stuff they dont know jack**** about. they should have done a simple tech-survey before they let some into the insiderprogramm
Lets go an other route. Instead of keeping people out we should do our best to educate those, that aren't aware of possible side effects and pitfalls. In this sentiment, a call for help: Gather information!
- which devices is WPinternals able to handle?
- what SLB3s are available? Download links?
- Write up a tutorial on how to edit the phones registry using mass storage mode and regedit!
- Gather confirmed info on what unlock methods are available for what RMs!
- Anything to add to the first post? Something to clarify to make it better understandable?
- ...
- ... Profit!
Don't be worry guys, Custom ROMs coming ....
Cool if custom ROMs can be released, but it may be too late for some phones stuck on WP8.1 if they are not hackable. Obviously old Lumias are hackable, but what about 630 for example? Also, some way to install custom ROMs without going back to WP8.1 is sorely needed now.
the 630 for example is no problem either, we dont have any engineering bootloader for it yes. but it has a sd-slot, so no problems to fool around with registry tools to spoof the device id. since its 512mb redstone shouldnt work, but there should be a few devices out which are getting 10 but not redstone as well. so simple spoof it as one of them and get th2 (speaking of the situation next week, right now you could use any "modern" lumia settings to get th2 via upgrade advisor). but no way to build custom roms, thats only supported on 520, 521, 525, 620, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925, 928, 1020 and 1320
Hmmm I used WDRT couple of days back. And now I am stuck with Windows Mobile 8.1. Any chance of getting Windows 10 Mobile back on my L720?
tvk73 said:
Hmmm I used WDRT couple of days back. And now I am stuck with Windows Mobile 8.1. Any chance of getting Windows 10 Mobile back on my L720?
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Yes, you can use wpinternals to unlock the bootloader, gain full filesystem access, and spoof the registry with a phone model supported for W10M. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-phone-8/development/windows-phone-internals-unlock-t3257483
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the 630 for example is no problem either, we dont have any engineering bootloader for it yes. but it has a sd-slot, so no problems to fool around with registry tools to spoof the device id. since its 512mb redstone shouldnt work, but there should be a few devices out which are getting 10 but not redstone as well. so simple spoof it as one of them and get th2 (speaking of the situation next week, right now you could use any "modern" lumia settings to get th2 via upgrade advisor). but no way to build custom roms, thats only supported on 520, 521, 525, 620, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925, 928, 1020 and 1320
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They will replace th2 with rs1. We wont be able to upgrade to W10 using insider or upgrade advisor. We're gonna stuck in WP 8.1 forever.
would you please read my post completely? atm its still possible and in the future it will be still possible to get th2 cause not every device will get the anniversary update (looking at some chinese oem devices). and rs1 runs way better even on ancient devices like the 920 than th2. and right now you still are able to get th2 and back it up with wpinternals if you want to reflash it in the future
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would you please read my post completely? atm its still possible and in the future it will be still possible to get th2 cause not every device will get the anniversary update (looking at some chinese oem devices). and rs1 runs way better even on ancient devices like the 920 than th2. and right now you still are able to get th2 and back it up with wpinternals if you want to reflash it in the future
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Sorry, I didnt mention that I'm talking about 630. I don't think ms will add a new ring like "TH2 for legacy devices" because they really wanna get rid of Nokia devices.
we dont know that, but as i said: there will be still devices which got th2 officially but will not get rs1. u simply need to spoof your device to that. and th2 might be even a needed hop to go from 8.1 to 10 rs1. so dont panic
I have updated my Lumia 630 yesterday from WP 8.1 to W10M following this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/win...hack-redstone-bulid-lumia-x2x-seires-t3395751
and using Upgrade Advisor
tofuschnitte said:
thats one of the downsides of the insider-programm. ms let anyone in, thus many many many many people doing stuff they dont know jack**** about. they should have done a simple tech-survey before they let some into the insiderprogramm
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Microsoft don't expect divvys to tamper with tools they don't understand , a simple insider upgrade is divvy safe, theres no need for any tech surveys or whatever, theres nothing in the OS that can break the phone, only ppl who decide to play the tools to crack and edit the registry are at risk. You don't need to be an insider to play with those tools either. Think about it. The wdrt is very powerful, you can spoof your phone and model ID if you wish, (NOT RECOMMENDED FOR DIVVYS) downside of that is ...loading an OS that could be slightly modified and potentially brick your device
Microsoft clarification
Earlier this year when we launched Windows 10 Mobile, we announced a series of changes to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Program, including details of our launch of Windows 10 Mobile as well as changes to the supported Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview devices.
With the upcoming release of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, the Release Preview ring is moving to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build 14393. This change will have some impact on unsupported device:
As stated before, unsupported devices will not receive any builds or updates newer than 10586.x
Unsupported devices will not be able to select any Windows Insider Preview rings in the Windows Insider app
Updates to apps and services may not be available for unsupported devices and in some cases may limit certain experiences
Unsupported devices can still use the Windows Device Recovery Tool to recover to Windows Phone 8.1, but will not have the option to return to Windows 10 Mobile.
As always, we appreciate our Insiders and thank you for your participation in the Windows Insider Program.
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from http://mspoweruser.com/can-no-longer-get-windows-10-mobile-unsupported-devices/
Thank for sharing
BlueTR said:
Sorry, I didnt mention that I'm talking about 630. I don't think ms will add a new ring like "TH2 for legacy devices" because they really wanna get rid of Nokia devices.
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Hey, I have a lumia 630 with 8.1 on it but how could i edit it's registry? If i use CustomWPSystem i can't move extras & info into the sdcard, and Mixradio is not on the store anymore.... Could you help me finding somethig? I really want to edit the registry, and/or get windows 10 mobile.
Thanks, Sznabi
Hello, I happen to have a Nokia Lumia 930 (which I thought I lost long ago, but found recently).
My main question is what to do with this phone? I know I can update it to use W10 Mobile (even Insider versions, apparently). However that's all I know.
What can and cannot be done in this phone? I don't know if WPInternals supports it, since it's not in the list of supported phones, but I've read all around that WPInternals supports all W10 Mobile phones, so I don't know anymore.
What are some of the things that can be done with this model?
Thanks in advance!
krashprocess said:
Hello, I happen to have a Nokia Lumia 930 (which I thought I lost long ago, but found recently).
My main question is what to do with this phone? I know I can update it to use W10 Mobile (even Insider versions, apparently). However that's all I know.
What can and cannot be done in this phone? I don't know if WPInternals supports it, since it's not in the list of supported phones, but I've read all around that WPInternals supports all W10 Mobile phones, so I don't know anymore.
What are some of the things that can be done with this model?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi,
I still play Asphalt 8 in this device, as I had some progress there. Other than that, it's still a nice camera phone with 20MP. W10 mobile left behind some enjoyment of Here Maps and featured Lumia apps, but I guess it's necessary due to security and compatibility issues.
As Windows is no longer developing this mobile platform, don't expect much on any updates on the existing apps. NFC is nothing without support from apps. Many downside on apps availability compared to Android's, i.e. PUBG, even YouTube is not officially available. You can however, maximize the use of Microsoft apps, such as Word, Excel, One Note, Outlook, Edge, but again, they're also available in Android. FYI, WhatsApp has limited feature in this version, probably some other apps also.
In the end, you can still utilize it as a music player, movie player, ebook reader, file downloader, 32GB USB data storage. That's all from me I guess.
The only for the Nokia 930 is the astoria build and wpinternals is dangerous.. be careful Also for the "Astoria" build .But if u want to try it you ll need this. if you want to go back to original firmware you should connect to PC ur 930 and in WPinternals under download press 'download all' to get original ffu for flashing. or visit Lumia firmware on browser and grab ur stock ffu and flash it with wpid in flash mode
Not exactly. The active upgrade path goes up the "Anniversary Update" (1607)....
... and spoofing a 950 (registry editing) enable you to go up to "FCU" (1709).
It runs like a charm.
See AllAboutWindowsPhone site for details.