If your phone is not officially supported by Windows 10 (Lumia 520, 525, 620, 630, 635 (512 MB), 720, 820, 920, 925, 1020, 1320, ...) and you do have Windows 10 installed, do NOT use the WDRT (Windows Device Recovery Tool) which will install Windows 8.x on your device. Since Microsoft no longer offers Windows 10 Threshold releases for unsupported devices in the Release Preview Ring chances are that you'll be unable to update to Windows 10 again.
Further reading:
The gavel has fallen on the Insiders window for W10M for older devices
You can no longer get Windows 10 Mobile on unsupported devices
Of versions and branches - the evolving story of Windows Phone and Windows 10
seems to be a fact since ms introduced the release-preview-ring for redstone. we will see if they offer something like a legacy ring soon
otherwise: still no problem, or lets say still no problem to spoof the devices to get either th2 or redstone
Changing the registry might be beyond users that were only accustomed to joining the Release Preview Ring with the Windows Insider app till now. Some also might not even try out of fear. Thus this warning.
Thanks for the heads up!
Swordfishx86 said:
Changing the registry might be beyond users that were only accustomed to joining the Release Preview Ring with the Windows Insider app till now. Some also might not even try out of fear. Thus this warning.
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thats one of the downsides of the insider-programm. ms let anyone in, thus many many many many people doing stuff they dont know jack**** about. they should have done a simple tech-survey before they let some into the insiderprogramm
Lets go an other route. Instead of keeping people out we should do our best to educate those, that aren't aware of possible side effects and pitfalls. In this sentiment, a call for help: Gather information!
- which devices is WPinternals able to handle?
- what SLB3s are available? Download links?
- Write up a tutorial on how to edit the phones registry using mass storage mode and regedit!
- Gather confirmed info on what unlock methods are available for what RMs!
- Anything to add to the first post? Something to clarify to make it better understandable?
- ...
- ... Profit!
Don't be worry guys, Custom ROMs coming ....
Cool if custom ROMs can be released, but it may be too late for some phones stuck on WP8.1 if they are not hackable. Obviously old Lumias are hackable, but what about 630 for example? Also, some way to install custom ROMs without going back to WP8.1 is sorely needed now.
the 630 for example is no problem either, we dont have any engineering bootloader for it yes. but it has a sd-slot, so no problems to fool around with registry tools to spoof the device id. since its 512mb redstone shouldnt work, but there should be a few devices out which are getting 10 but not redstone as well. so simple spoof it as one of them and get th2 (speaking of the situation next week, right now you could use any "modern" lumia settings to get th2 via upgrade advisor). but no way to build custom roms, thats only supported on 520, 521, 525, 620, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925, 928, 1020 and 1320
Hmmm I used WDRT couple of days back. And now I am stuck with Windows Mobile 8.1. Any chance of getting Windows 10 Mobile back on my L720?
tvk73 said:
Hmmm I used WDRT couple of days back. And now I am stuck with Windows Mobile 8.1. Any chance of getting Windows 10 Mobile back on my L720?
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Yes, you can use wpinternals to unlock the bootloader, gain full filesystem access, and spoof the registry with a phone model supported for W10M. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-phone-8/development/windows-phone-internals-unlock-t3257483
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the 630 for example is no problem either, we dont have any engineering bootloader for it yes. but it has a sd-slot, so no problems to fool around with registry tools to spoof the device id. since its 512mb redstone shouldnt work, but there should be a few devices out which are getting 10 but not redstone as well. so simple spoof it as one of them and get th2 (speaking of the situation next week, right now you could use any "modern" lumia settings to get th2 via upgrade advisor). but no way to build custom roms, thats only supported on 520, 521, 525, 620, 625, 720, 820, 920, 925, 928, 1020 and 1320
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They will replace th2 with rs1. We wont be able to upgrade to W10 using insider or upgrade advisor. We're gonna stuck in WP 8.1 forever.
would you please read my post completely? atm its still possible and in the future it will be still possible to get th2 cause not every device will get the anniversary update (looking at some chinese oem devices). and rs1 runs way better even on ancient devices like the 920 than th2. and right now you still are able to get th2 and back it up with wpinternals if you want to reflash it in the future
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would you please read my post completely? atm its still possible and in the future it will be still possible to get th2 cause not every device will get the anniversary update (looking at some chinese oem devices). and rs1 runs way better even on ancient devices like the 920 than th2. and right now you still are able to get th2 and back it up with wpinternals if you want to reflash it in the future
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Sorry, I didnt mention that I'm talking about 630. I don't think ms will add a new ring like "TH2 for legacy devices" because they really wanna get rid of Nokia devices.
we dont know that, but as i said: there will be still devices which got th2 officially but will not get rs1. u simply need to spoof your device to that. and th2 might be even a needed hop to go from 8.1 to 10 rs1. so dont panic
I have updated my Lumia 630 yesterday from WP 8.1 to W10M following this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/win...hack-redstone-bulid-lumia-x2x-seires-t3395751
and using Upgrade Advisor
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thats one of the downsides of the insider-programm. ms let anyone in, thus many many many many people doing stuff they dont know jack**** about. they should have done a simple tech-survey before they let some into the insiderprogramm
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Microsoft don't expect divvys to tamper with tools they don't understand , a simple insider upgrade is divvy safe, theres no need for any tech surveys or whatever, theres nothing in the OS that can break the phone, only ppl who decide to play the tools to crack and edit the registry are at risk. You don't need to be an insider to play with those tools either. Think about it. The wdrt is very powerful, you can spoof your phone and model ID if you wish, (NOT RECOMMENDED FOR DIVVYS) downside of that is ...loading an OS that could be slightly modified and potentially brick your device
Microsoft clarification
Earlier this year when we launched Windows 10 Mobile, we announced a series of changes to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Program, including details of our launch of Windows 10 Mobile as well as changes to the supported Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview devices.
With the upcoming release of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, the Release Preview ring is moving to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview build 14393. This change will have some impact on unsupported device:
As stated before, unsupported devices will not receive any builds or updates newer than 10586.x
Unsupported devices will not be able to select any Windows Insider Preview rings in the Windows Insider app
Updates to apps and services may not be available for unsupported devices and in some cases may limit certain experiences
Unsupported devices can still use the Windows Device Recovery Tool to recover to Windows Phone 8.1, but will not have the option to return to Windows 10 Mobile.
As always, we appreciate our Insiders and thank you for your participation in the Windows Insider Program.
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from http://mspoweruser.com/can-no-longer-get-windows-10-mobile-unsupported-devices/
Thank for sharing
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Sorry, I didnt mention that I'm talking about 630. I don't think ms will add a new ring like "TH2 for legacy devices" because they really wanna get rid of Nokia devices.
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Hey, I have a lumia 630 with 8.1 on it but how could i edit it's registry? If i use CustomWPSystem i can't move extras & info into the sdcard, and Mixradio is not on the store anymore.... Could you help me finding somethig? I really want to edit the registry, and/or get windows 10 mobile.
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I was wondering, tht when buying a new smartphone if I go with windows based OS on mobile, will I be able to run any software tht can run on windows based desktop computer? If not, such functionality is expected to come with forthcoming Windows 8 mobile?
PS: I wana run my live stock market terminal on mobile phone.
Since ver 7, the os is no longer called windows mobile; its now called windows phone. but to answer your question, no you can't run desktop applications on windows phone (or windows mobile for that matter) and this is unlikely to change.
That said I'm sure you can find another application to achieve whatever it is that you're after on the marketplace...
:-( my all needs are getting completed with an smartphone, but i guess eventually i will have to buy a laptop as well... just to run my stockmarket software.... Damn and they are telling smartphones (Like SGS2 etc.) are quickly replacing laptops...
PS: Wht is the latest ver. of windows phone called and, what is the windows phone marketplace url (Kind of new to smartphones)
Well for a lot of people smartphones or tablets can replace computers, most people aren't stockbrokers!
The latest version of Windows Phone is 7.5 Mango, which is currently at RTM stage - i.e. released to OEMs pending approval for new devices and upgrades to existing devices.
The Windows Phone Marketplace can only be accessed via the phone or via the Zune desktop software. The Zune software comes highly recommended from me, it's a very, very good media management software and I can't live without the wireless sync function anymore!
You can browse the marketplace through Zune without owning a Windows Phone device.
Perhaps you could let the community know what it is exactly that you need to do and someone might be able to suggest something?
EDIT: As you're new to smartphones, from a usability perspective Windows Phone 7 would be an excellent choice for you - it is simply brilliant to use, the interface is understated and elegant and the lack of pointless graphics makes it both simple and quick. Microsoft have clearly put massive effort into making Windows Phone highly usable and have surpassed pretty much all expectations, especially with the 7.5 update, which brings in a huge amount of functionality. A lot of people try and put Windows Phone down having never used it, because it's one of those things that needs you to spend 10 minutes with it to understand - but once you've spent 9 minutes with it, everything else just seems ridiculously complicated.
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:-( my all needs are getting completed with an smartphone, but i guess eventually i will have to buy a laptop as well... just to run my stockmarket software.... Damn and they are telling smartphones (Like SGS2 etc.) are quickly replacing laptops...
PS: Wht is the latest ver. of windows phone called and, what is the windows phone marketplace url (Kind of new to smartphones)
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Silverlight in Windows
Hi
Silverlight apps are currently available in Windows and I think that the concept being put out there at the moment is that Windows 8 will run the same apps as Windows Mobile 8.
Nobody knows if this will become a reality or not.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
olivespin said:
I was wondering, tht when buying a new smartphone if I go with windows based OS on mobile, will I be able to run any software tht can run on windows based desktop computer? If not, such functionality is expected to come with forthcoming Windows 8 mobile?
PS: I wana run my live stock market terminal on mobile phone.
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The best thing for you to do would be to find a mobile version of the software you are trying to run. Then get the device that runs that particular software.
The closest you'll come to running your "exact" software on a mobile device is to get a Windows based tablet or laptop. But to run your stock software on a smartphone, you will need the "mobile" version of that software, if it exists.
Also, check to see if your stock-terminal application is web-based. If it is, you may be able to access what you need with ANY smartphone through the smartphone's web browser. That means your "stock terminal" would work on Windows Phone, iPhone, Android, etc.
Anybody know if it'd be possible to install Windows 8 on an Intel-based smartphone such as Droid Razr i? The device should theoretically be compatible with Windows 8 as it's just using a pretty standard Intel Atom x86 CPU. The 32-bit version of Windows 8 should work. Anybody tried this before or know how I could approach this?
This should be revisited. The Asus Zenfone 2 came out and specs-wise, it is more powerful than many tablets out there.
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This should be revisited. The Asus Zenfone 2 came out and specs-wise, it is more powerful than many tablets out there.
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Agreed! However, back when I asked this question, some people said it was not possible due to lack of driver support and possibly some issue with the bootloader. But when has that ever stopped XDA? This would be a really cool project and would really be awesome if you could install Windows 10 and use the Continuum feature. Unlike Windows 10 Mobile, this version of continuum would still allow x86 desktop apps to be run on the phone.
"This would be a really cool project and would really be awesome if you could install Windows 10 and use the Continuum feature. Unlike Windows 10 Mobile, this version of continuum would still allow x86 desktop apps to be run on the phone."
I completely agree with you. Chances are MS won't let Asus make this happen but Windows 10 Pro in your pocket and it can send/receive calls+text messages? What's next?...Snapchat?? - one can dream.
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"This would be a really cool project and would really be awesome if you could install Windows 10 and use the Continuum feature. Unlike Windows 10 Mobile, this version of continuum would still allow x86 desktop apps to be run on the phone."
I completely agree with you. Chances are MS won't let Asus make this happen but Windows 10 Pro in your pocket and it can send/receive calls+text messages? What's next?...Snapchat?? - one can dream.
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It doesn't matter if Microsoft allows it or not. I'm sure people will be able to get an unlocked bootloader for this phone or make one if Asus doesn't provide it. From there, I'd imagine it'd be something along thing lines of pre-installing Windows 10 onto a microSD card and then boot from it on the phone. The hard part would be making it boot and finding the necessary drivers. I wish I'd know more about where to start but my development skills are more centered around app development, not necessarily OS and hardware.
"I'd imagine it'd be something along thing lines of pre-installing Windows 10 onto a microSD card and then boot from it on the phone. "
Please don't make me wants this more than I already do...
Microsoft has create such burden with all these renamings:
Windows Phone -> Windows Mobile
8.1 - > 10
Tech Preview, anniversary update, fast ring, slow ring, insider, blab la bla
When I choose phone to buy, I wanted something that works, Android needs a lot of fixing, custom rome, correct apps, etc. iPhone was too expensive and not very windows friendly. So I bought this Nokia/Microsoft/Lumia 930
And now I’m on Windows Phone 8.1 it doesn’t work with my Garmin watch. I want to update to Windows Phone/Mobile 10 whatever it is.
I don’t want to install Windows Insider app, as you accept some crazy privacy agreement, all you data(file names, sms, etc) is transferred to MS.
I heard that there is an anniversary update, which should be kind of stable 10 version, but no idea how to install it.
Can somebody please help me to understand what is going on?
Download the Upgrade Advisor app in the store. This app will allow your phone to be upgraded to Windows 10 Mobile.
gus33000 said:
Download the Upgrade Advisor app in the store. This app will allow your phone to be upgraded to Windows 10 Mobile.
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It's understandable, but have you read privacy statements? all your location, texts, voice will go to MSFT. Is there a way to get 10 without it? Like official updates as we used to have in WP 8.1?
Also, what ring to pick ? and what is Anniversary update? what is redstone? For outsider it takes just too much time to understand all this crap
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and what is Anniversary update? what is redstone?
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Redstone is the codename for the Anniversary Update, and of (at least) the next two major Windows 10 updates, to be released in early and late 2017.
The Anniversary Update is the name of the major update to Windows 10 that was released a month ago.
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Redstone is the codename for the Anniversary Update, and of (at least) the next two major Windows 10 updates, to be released in early and late 2017.
The Anniversary Update is the name of the major update to Windows 10 that was released a month ago.
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So should we now use just "Windows 10" not "Windows Mobile 10" because it's the same thing?
And Windows Insider is the only way to get new update ?
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So should we now use just "Windows 10" not "Windows Mobile 10" because it's the same thing?
And Windows Insider is the only way to get new update ?
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By "Windows 10" i mean all of Windows 10, that is, desktop and mobile and iotcore.
And, it's not the only way, you can modify registry with an interop unlock or install packages manually if you have them.
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It's understandable, but have you read privacy statements? all your location, texts, voice will go to MSFT. Is there a way to get 10 without it? Like official updates as we used to have in WP 8.1?
Also, what ring to pick ? and what is Anniversary update? what is redstone? For outsider it takes just too much time to understand all this crap
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Upgrade Advisor != Windows Insider, there's no ring to pick from, it just allows the upgrade.
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Upgrade Advisor != Windows Insider, there's no ring to pick from, it just allows the upgrade.
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Thank you for this clarification. It's very hard for outsider to understand anything. Next phone - iPhone
I'm new to Windows Phone and I'm getting my L 950 soon but I've been doing a lot of research recently about "Project Astoria" and the apps Windows Phone is lacking, while I can live without them I still think had MS kept this feature it would've gained them more customers (this was going to be the reason why I considered buying a year or so ago when it was announced). Now before anyone tells me to get an Android, I really want to try out WP because it looks cool and slick and has all the MS apps one would need, minus Google Apps and some Android apps, which are a must for some.
P.S. I really enjoy modding and doing things not normally possible, I almost do this on every device I own even game consoles.
TLDR; So the theories would be as follows:
Downgrading phones to ROMs that had Project Astoria Aka 10240? Which had it for a few phones
Creating a custom rom with Astoria libraries and files to re-enable the function
Wait for the rumoured x86 emulation on ARM, this'll mean we might be able to get BlueStacks or a similar app running through emulation, so emlation in emulation in emulation, lol.
Pray and hope for Microsoft to restore Project Astoria.
Thoughts?
This isn't possible due to MS actually having a CI whitelist for services, and the key component of astoria actually is blacklisted on newer builds, starting the service won't work at all.
Since it's about theories why don't developers try something like android emulation on a website
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Since it's about theories why don't developers try something like android emulation on a website
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Then why not just use the actual company/app website?
Kernel is unlikely to support ADSS as a pico provider anymore. The Kernel only allows a single pico provider to be installed and it's hard coded to be LXSS for desktop. Wouldn't be surprised if it's now set to LXSS in the mobile builds too, if it's allowed at all. It's quite possible the pico provider interfaces have changed since the last build with ADSS in it The LXSS kernel devs are unlikely to care at all about keeping compatibility with year old ADSS.
BTW The Field Medic application still have ETW provider "Windows_Brigde_for_Android" available I hope Microsoft will not make it standard feature becasue I want to stay isolated from the Google always-vulnerable-crap pathetic OS as much as possible. That's why I use Microsoft OS and services.
can i downgrade my lumia 730 DS and install the build supporting project astoria..?? will it work n how to go to that build??? suggestions needed!!
SyndiCate861 said:
can i downgrade my lumia 730 DS and install the build supporting project astoria..?? will it work n how to go to that build??? suggestions needed!!
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not possible
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not possible
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then is all i can*do...!!!
i dont understand why people want this back... project astoria apps worked terrible, much worse than MS apps.... if you want android apps, buy frikin' android phone.
There are a couple of possibilities to use astoria:
10240 ROM works on: Lumia 640, 640 XL, 930
Insider Versions 10149 / 10166 (10512, 10514, 10536) works on: Pretty much any Lumia / Phone released before the launch of TH2.
Insignificant said:
There are a couple of possibilities to use astoria:
10240 ROM works on: Lumia 640, 640 XL, 930
Insider Versions 10149 / 10166 (10512, 10514, 10536) works on: Pretty much any Lumia / Phone released before the launch of TH2.
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what about other lumia phones...?? arent any custom rom!!!
Hello, I happen to have a Nokia Lumia 930 (which I thought I lost long ago, but found recently).
My main question is what to do with this phone? I know I can update it to use W10 Mobile (even Insider versions, apparently). However that's all I know.
What can and cannot be done in this phone? I don't know if WPInternals supports it, since it's not in the list of supported phones, but I've read all around that WPInternals supports all W10 Mobile phones, so I don't know anymore.
What are some of the things that can be done with this model?
Thanks in advance!
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Hello, I happen to have a Nokia Lumia 930 (which I thought I lost long ago, but found recently).
My main question is what to do with this phone? I know I can update it to use W10 Mobile (even Insider versions, apparently). However that's all I know.
What can and cannot be done in this phone? I don't know if WPInternals supports it, since it's not in the list of supported phones, but I've read all around that WPInternals supports all W10 Mobile phones, so I don't know anymore.
What are some of the things that can be done with this model?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi,
I still play Asphalt 8 in this device, as I had some progress there. Other than that, it's still a nice camera phone with 20MP. W10 mobile left behind some enjoyment of Here Maps and featured Lumia apps, but I guess it's necessary due to security and compatibility issues.
As Windows is no longer developing this mobile platform, don't expect much on any updates on the existing apps. NFC is nothing without support from apps. Many downside on apps availability compared to Android's, i.e. PUBG, even YouTube is not officially available. You can however, maximize the use of Microsoft apps, such as Word, Excel, One Note, Outlook, Edge, but again, they're also available in Android. FYI, WhatsApp has limited feature in this version, probably some other apps also.
In the end, you can still utilize it as a music player, movie player, ebook reader, file downloader, 32GB USB data storage. That's all from me I guess.
The only for the Nokia 930 is the astoria build and wpinternals is dangerous.. be careful Also for the "Astoria" build .But if u want to try it you ll need this. if you want to go back to original firmware you should connect to PC ur 930 and in WPinternals under download press 'download all' to get original ffu for flashing. or visit Lumia firmware on browser and grab ur stock ffu and flash it with wpid in flash mode
Not exactly. The active upgrade path goes up the "Anniversary Update" (1607)....
... and spoofing a 950 (registry editing) enable you to go up to "FCU" (1709).
It runs like a charm.
See AllAboutWindowsPhone site for details.