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- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.uielement.mouserightbuttondown(VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.controls.primitives.popup(v=VS.95).aspx
See? All supported in Silverlight 4. Once the phone runs Silverlight 4, it'll support these.
There, done, now you can shut up and stop complaining about it missing. Thank you.
Why stop complaining? It's still missing. What about you shutting up until they finally add it?
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- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.controls.primitives.popup(v=VS.95).aspx
See? All supported in Silverlight 4. Once the phone runs Silverlight 4, it'll support these.
There, done, now you can shut up and stop complaining about it missing. Thank you.
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Who's to say it'll run Silverlight 4?
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Who's to say it'll run Silverlight 4?
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Microsoft?
When? 2-3 years or later...
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does it support c&p now? no, well untill(if) they add those features, I will complain.
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does they say when? seriously I don't want to wait few years untill ms add this.
We can complain here as much as we want.
Our right as customers.
I will never agree to beeing limited yet forced to acknowledge this as having
more possibilities.
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Got a quote thats from their mouth saying itll get Silverlight 4? Cheers mate!
They will add Silverlight 4. Don't know where I heard them say that, but they did.
Nevertheless, copy&paste isn't there now and who knows how long it will take them to add it?
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Got a quote thats from their mouth saying itll get Silverlight 4? Cheers mate!
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Pretty sure they said it at MIX. I'm not going to dig through hours of video to find it though. And jeeze, you act like it's some sort of crazy idea. It's already running Silverlight 3+. Silverlight 4 was just finished recently. They don't have time to include it before launch.
It's rather illogical to say a phone based on Silverlight, wouldn't be upgraded to the latest version of Silverlight eventually.
And yes, SL4 was released 2 months after the WP7 preview
And it is silly to think that phone based only on silverlight won't support silverlight in Internet Explorer. Oh, wait
Copy and Paste took only 3 major versions of iPhone OS upgrades to be implemented. Why in 2010 I need to go back in time and live without C&P, while iPhone, Android and even Windows Mobile have it.
You know the Android implementation of copy&paste is terrible broken right? But feel free to get a Android, I'm sure the "no paid apps in Europe" makes it a GREAT alternative.
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep focus on the smallest of small issues, instead of the actual problems. I guess the truth is people are just annoyed about the alternatives being so crappy, that they have to complain about something to justify not buying the phone at first possible option.
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Pretty sure they said it at MIX. I'm not going to dig through hours of video to find it though. And jeeze, you act like it's some sort of crazy idea. It's already running Silverlight 3+. Silverlight 4 was just finished recently. They don't have time to include it before launch.
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Ok thats all I wanted to hear, sorry if I came across as prudent I just don't want to get my hopes up then be disappointed later on
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You know the Android implementation of copy&paste is terrible broken right? But feel free to get a Android, I'm sure the "no paid apps in Europe" makes it a GREAT alternative.
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Android is Google's first foray into the OS business. Microsoft has been around for decades. Windows 3.1 had c&p, Microsoft 1.0 had it (remember this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239#docid=-2992183880068262304) heck, even my old Commodore 64 running GEOS had it. So yes! I am a bit surprised to see such a basic feature missing in the latest Microsoft OS.
btw WP7 marketplace will only be for 17 countries and no sideloading alternative. If you could sideload, a developer can sell you the app from his website or on an alternative such as slideme
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../07/13/windows-phone-7-getting-connected.aspx
17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
And as I said with this topic, copy&paste is already made. It's just not supported yet, because the Silverlight 4 implementation was first finished in April.
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17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
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Gameloft can actually sell their Android games to people living in your country since they can sell from their website. They won't have to worry about app approval restrictions, paying a share of their profits to anyone, or the race to the bottom where everything ends up selling for under $1.
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Gameloft can actually sell their Android games to people living in your country since they can sell from their website. They won't have to worry about app approval restrictions, paying a share of their profits to anyone, or the race to the bottom where everything ends up selling for under $1.
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And have to do their own marketing, setup a payment site and distribution channel, and deal with piracy!
And they can't sell apps directly on the phone, but have to guide users to a often long and complicated website url, and a site that's probably not even optimized for mobile phones.
You don't see the big issues here? Distribution and marketing is much much bigger issues than anything else.
Its not the same,
for instance if you send me an email with a coupon code in it, and now I want to paste that on the website of the specified vendor, I cant do it. Outlook doesn't support copy, and IE doesn't support paste.
Oh no!! i am compelled to either remember an 8 digit alpha numeric code (or write it down, sounds pretty primitive to me). What if it was an mailing address on a website that you wanted to email a friend - that's even worse.
I see no reason to stop complaining yet.
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17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
And as I said with this topic, copy&paste is already made. It's just not supported yet, because the Silverlight 4 implementation was first finished in April.
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I have a complaint about this too. The phone 'phones home' to check if the application is valid. As a developer this is awesome, but as a phone user, I am worried about my data package.
For instance if I install a world clock app, as a result every time i check launch the app to check the time in Denmark, I use bandwidth.
In the states this might not be a problem, but in other countries, data can be expensive.
I hope the implementation of phoning home is elegant, and not burdonsome
Does anyone have any news of a new handset from HTC to replace the TP2?
Now that Windows 7 is released I would be expecting HTC to release an updated top-of-the-range business handset to replace the TP2. I've had a TP2 since it came out (and every model prior to that), but it's a bit tired now (not to mention scratched to buggery!). Surely there must be a new flag-ship handset on its way?
I comtacted HTC who in their usual helpful way said "I can help with that question" and then proceded to not help me in the slightest! Their stock answer is we'll tell you when (or if) we feel like it! Obviously, this really encourages me to stay with HTC! These forums tend to be far more informed than anyone else and so maybe someone here has some news, rumours etc?
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Their stock answer is we'll tell you when (or if) we feel like it! Obviously, this really encourages me to stay with HTC!
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Oh come on, all companies don't disclose such information prior to official announcements.
I wouldn't expect minute details of their latest project, but since everyone knows they will be launching a Windows 7 handset, I wouldn't have though it beyond the realms of possibility for them to say we're looking for a Q4 2011 release". Every other company does this, and it not exactly a secret that a handset manufacturer will launch a new handset sometime soon!
And why would you ask something that you obviously already know?
I don't already know. If I did, I wouldn't have been asking. If they aren't going to be releasing one for another year, I'll look at buying an xperia. If they are, I'll hang on.
There are lots of rumors; according to them, they will release maybe not one but several handsets. Officially they are announced as launch partners by Microsoft. There are no official statements from HTC that their support staff can distribute though, so I don't see why you prefer to bug them instead of googling, it'd bring you better results with much less effort.
Before he left, Conflipper disclosed a bunch of previously unknown WP7 and Android HTC devices. That's on top of the Mozart, Mondrian, Spark, Gold, and Schubert that are already rumored.
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Here
http://wmpoweruser.com/renowned-modder-conflippers-parting-treats/
I read that the HTC Gold_W will come to Sprint with WP7. The _W might be World Phone speculation. No word on CPU but I would prefer a Tegra or Tegra 2 CPU dual core CPU. World phone would be nice. I just hope HTC does not screw up the camera or video recording as usual.
One thing that gets me is the wait till the Holiday season.. I mean common, release at least early/mid November at the latest since I do not want to be waiting in line for a device while I need to get Christmas Shopping done.
(Seriously thinking of Pre-ordering/Waiting in line (if their is one) for the first Sprint based device) I really want to get my hands on one early to see the OS grow, Market it to friends, family, iUsers, and hopefully work my way into a Marketing Position for Microsoft's Mobile Marketing or HTC's Marketing Devision. Both of them really need to push Windows Phone better than any past device thus far.
^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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yes plz provide info on this Im on a cdma carrier & im waiting for this, I mite have to switch to T-mobile if this is true
No way I am switching from Sprint. I am Pretty darn sure that every carrier is onboard to provide a relase day device (and HTC has the devices for them). No ATT only crap even if they are a "Premiere Partner"
I'm not sure I'm sticking w/ HTC - I want to see what all the devices are and I don't have enough info at this time. I'd like something with a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz dual core, and a nice keyboard is a MAJOR bonus for me... so, we'll see which device has what specs, then I'll decide
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I'm not sure I'm sticking w/ HTC - I want to see what all the devices are and I don't have enough info at this time. I'd like something with a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz dual core, and a nice keyboard is a MAJOR bonus for me... so, we'll see which device has what specs, then I'll decide
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Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I'm not 100% knowledgable on "dual-core") , but you want a device that runs at 3 ghz?! No one is going to be able to provide that for you at least until Q4 of 2011. Motorola is showing off with their 2 ghz phone in Q4 2010 but 3 Gigs is just impossible...
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Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I'm not 100% knowledgable on "dual-core") , but you want a device that runs at 3 ghz?! No one is going to be able to provide that for you at least until Q4 of 2011. Motorola is showing off with their 2 ghz phone in Q4 2010 but 3 Gigs is just impossible...
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They've been rumored for a few months, but this is the article I read today that helped me understand the hardware a bit better (and made me think I'll hold out just a touch, if what I'm looking for isn't ready when WP7 goes live).
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sna...bile-CPU-war-beyond-1GHz-article-a_12546.html
If you just google 1.5 GHz Snapdragon and you'll get a ton of rumors etc.
^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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My bad, I read wrong.
http://www.cellphoneinn.com/2010/07/26/htc-wp7-phone-leaked-hp-show-no-interest-in-wp7/
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They've been rumored for a few months, but this is the article I read today that helped me understand the hardware a bit better (and made me think I'll hold out just a touch, if what I'm looking for isn't ready when WP7 goes live).
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sna...bile-CPU-war-beyond-1GHz-article-a_12546.html
If you just google 1.5 GHz Snapdragon and you'll get a ton of rumors etc.
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WOW, I didn't expect that coming... Imagine an HTC Touch Pro 3 with that dual-core, but I'm still surprised at how Samsung's Hummingbird is performing twice as good as the dual-core when it comes to 2D...
Copy from Neowin.net. If this is old news, mod pls close thread.
Today, the slew of "pre-Mango" posts began. Were you suspicious about why the sudden posting? It's because Microsoft has been giving out the build to the press ahead of the Mango Beta release, which is due to be announced within the next 24 hours.
Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices.
The timing of the claims line up, as do the legitimacy of the claims considering the amount of reviews that have just appeared. Also, if you look at multiple reviews, each one uses a different device. There aren't any Mango events worldwide for this specific launch, so we expect a release will appear on Microsoft's PressPass site soon.
Mango brings a new set of features to the platform, including IE9 support, full IM integration, performance improvements and multitasking and is expected to be released in September of this year for general availability.
Update: Neowin used multiple sources to comfirm this news. The sources used to confirm this article are reliable, and this news is not considered a rumor currently. In addition, the software giant is planning on handing out developer devices to VIP devlopers as part of the announcement.
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Seriously, if that happens, I will trave to USA to kiss Balmer's bald head!
So if you feel like it you can pay $99 to get Mango now .
Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?
personally i think its crap. Until someone confrims it. Joe Belfiore himself confired via twitter that they will be handing mango devices.
I've read about that on several sources too. Now if that turns out to be true I will have pre-release Mango within the next 2 days. oO Woohoo! Sadly a lot of the features won't be available right now. Like Twitter integration in the peoples hub and such. But I guess there'll be additional releases like that until Microsoft releases the final build to all customers.
@androidkiller
So joe says he will hand mango devices.. which means its crap that microsoft that will release the ROM?
theres no logic there
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Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?
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Zune maybe... They know if you are a developer, so they can push trough a message that your phone has an update. Or maybe you have to make a request on the apphub and than it will be pushed trough zune...
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up... First see than believe
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
That's great!
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Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone.
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The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.
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Brandon also tweeted
The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.
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Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.
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Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.
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That's my thought too. The key part of his tweet to me is "this week". That means there (likely) won't be a developer release right now, but it also implies that next week there very likely could be.
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Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????
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Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????
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That's the demo device. Microsoft has been handing out Samsung Focus pre-loaded with Mango pre-release for reviews.
out there are also hd7 and mozart phones runing mango
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That's awesome!! Thanks for this great news
Hey guys,
Here's the new full story:
WP7: Mango beta process detailed, delay explained, new unannounced features
You can read about it in the story, but essentially whats happened is Microsoft delayed it and is still planning on releasing the update this week. Here's hoping, right?!
Let's get this out of the way first, nobody here is stupid, we know the L Release is never going to come to the Galaxy Nexus officially. So let's talk about the community. I just have one basic question for our talented devs, what are the odds that a port of L will be able to come to the Gnex and if so, what kind of time frame are we looking at here?
Does the Cyanogenmod team do developers previews like this one? We might see it from them.
I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
so lets get it out of the way.
SURE
we COULD see some 5.0 aosp love(via custom development)
MAYBE.
time frame?
when.source drops, give it a few months at most I'd say
source isn't even CLOSE to ready yet though.
SOOO
let's ALSO look at the past.
which nexus devices, after Google officially dropped support, are STILL ABLE AND ARE running LATEST android version?
ALL of them right?
stability and such isn't a factor for this question, it's IF IT CAN/DOES run newest aosp in SOME FORM.
so I'd say YES gnex WILL see 5.0 in SOME usable form. but asking for ANY "time frame"at THIS POINT since SOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE YET is kinda pointless.
maybe though, just maybe, there are ALREADY some people at work on getting those "preview" things ported. no matter WHAT, patience and not asking for timeframe/eta is key here
I don't normally do +1 style posts, but I am also greatly interested in knowing this as well.
I imagine it is largely going to depend on how much of the underlying kernel and driver interaction changes. I remember on my prior phone, a Droid X which has been and is still locked down, it was generally impossible to get past ICS because of the major underlying changes in JB and not being able to get those on the DX. Granted the Nexus doesn't have this limitation but drivers aren't likely to be further updated and if the kernel goes too far forward it is unlikely to see compatible driver versions for GNex hardware.
EDIT: I should probably say modules instead of drivers. I'm primarily a Windows person PC-side.
Put it this way my 4 year old HTC Desire can run Kitkat then i would be amazed if we didn't end up with some pretty good builds of "L".
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I'm sorry, but this post is exactly what I expected to see today.
so lets get it out of the way.
SURE
we COULD see some 5.0 aosp love(via custom development)
MAYBE.
time frame?
when.source drops, give it a few months at most I'd say
source isn't even CLOSE to ready yet though.
SOOO
let's ALSO look at the past.
which nexus devices, after Google officially dropped support, are STILL ABLE AND ARE running LATEST android version?
ALL of them right?
stability and such isn't a factor for this question, it's IF IT CAN/DOES run newest aosp in SOME FORM.
so I'd say YES gnex WILL see 5.0 in SOME usable form. but asking for ANY "time frame"at THIS POINT since SOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE YET is kinda pointless.
maybe though, just maybe, there are ALREADY some people at work on getting those "preview" things ported. no matter WHAT, patience and not asking for timeframe/eta is key here
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Thanks for replying! I figured since I looked pretty thoroughly and didn't see a thread for it and thought that having at least one place for Gnex owners to talk about the L release for us wouldn't be a bad thing. I in no way meant to be one of those people who constantly bugs the devs about ETA's, I just meant what were could be expecting in the general sense. Thanks for the reassurance about us getting it, I've just been burned before about support with previous devices when they got past official support. But those weren't Nexii so I didn't know what to expect.
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Thanks for replying! I figured since I looked pretty thoroughly and didn't see a thread for it and thought that having at least one place for Gnex owners to talk about the L release for us wouldn't be a bad thing. I in no way meant to be one of those people who constantly bugs the devs about ETA's, I just meant what were could be expecting in the general sense. Thanks for the reassurance about us getting it, I've just been burned before about support with previous devices when they got past official support. But those weren't Nexii so I didn't know what to expect.
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yea sorry about my tone in that reply mostly too
I'm usually not the one to fly off ranting towards other users actions, at least not on xda(i do #AshRants elsewhere lol)
your question was a valid one, and I know where you coming from when it comes to nom nexus devices and their lack of support, I had a droid x2 that was ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED BY MOTOROLA to have ICS update. which for some reason they just didn't follow through on. Their REASON they said was that "android 4.0+ would not improve functionality of this device"...aka "we don't feel like fixing all the bugs we gave you already with shotty gingerbread releases, and we aren't going to allow you to unlock the device or give you usable kernel source so screw off",...back when moto didn't gaf about the dev communities. they have made huge strides towards mending that relationship. just couldn't believe they had the gall to say 4.0 wouldn't improve the first dual core android device running a tegra2 chipset. bah. ramblings now again from ash.
but yea reason I kinda went off in that reply was mostly cuz I hoped all the other people who were already drooling at the chance to post the exact same things would slow down and think instead first it wasnt intended as a personal attack towards you or to start any flamewar on the subject. and judging by your reply you didn't take offense to it anyways, so :thumbsup: :good: we all on the same page anyways.
personally, I haven't seen much of the IO stuff about L, I saw mostly design changes, and would like to know more details about it's new features so I'll be digging around YouTube today for recaps and such.
but I'm almost certain that if we don't get some kinda official rom like CM, OMNI, SHINY, PA, etc... building L based.roms for us, then some of our awesomely talented devs will at LEAST get us able to look like we have it, along with SOME if not z MOST functionality of L.
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I also think you guys should be patient. Your life won't be (that limited if there won't be a port of the coming up Android L to our Galaxy Nexus. Just relax.
As some have already pointed out, we're unlikely to see Android 5 "officially" ported to our GNex, for pretty much the same reason that we don't have an official 4.4 release for our phone. From ArsTechnica:
"Our talk with Burke shed some light on some more obscure topics too, including the lack of an Android 4.4 update for the Galaxy Nexus. Google's official line was that the company only supports hardware for 18 months after release, which it still mentions in its official Nexus update support document. As was speculated at the time, though, the decision was tied to Texas Instruments' exit from the consumer SoC market (TI's OMAP chip powered the Galaxy Nexus as well as other prominent Android-based hardware like the first Kindle Fires).
"It was a really extraordinary event," he said. "You had a silicon company exit the market, there was nobody left in the building to talk to."
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TI stopped development for the GNex SoC at Android 4.1. Google and others worked hard to support it for 4.2 and 4.3, but the official TI software was broken by 4.4. The reason that we even have 4.4 custom ROMs is because some kind-hearted person, perhaps a TI insider, released beta or engineering sample software for the SoC. But as we've found, it's not the most stable
have a great weekend,
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You could all complain about TI stopping development and blaming them. The Google Glass uses a not to different TI SOC compared to the GNex has a 3.4 kernel and runs 4.4.2
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC bla bla bla.
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You could all complain about TI stopping development and blaming them. The Google Glass uses a not to different TI SOC compared to the GNex has a 3.4 kernel and runs 4.4.2
Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC bla bla bla.
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Plus if they didn't drop support after two years android would have alot more bugs in general.
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Plus if they didn't drop support after two years android would have alot more bugs in general.
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I don't get your logic. And its not like 4.3 is flawless. HD video playback on this device (GNex) lags.
+ if Google themselves show a bad example to OEMs on how long to update devices, expect OEMs to not update devices older than a year. And this makes the whole "android doesn't get timely updates" into a new issue where "android doesn't get updates after a year+ at best".
GNex will never die!
(3.5 yrs going strong bby, and thanks to vanir+dirtyv f2fs running better than ever)
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GNex will never die!
(3.5 yrs going strong bby, and thanks to vanir+dirtyv f2fs running better than ever)
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Indeed. There will likely be somebody out there building from the latest source for this device as long as it's possible to do so, and possibly even if it isn't.
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Now please understand that Google simply ditched us for reasons other than TI stopped developing SOC
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Out of curiosity, what would those reasons be?
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Out of curiosity, what would those reasons be?
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That's up for you to imagine....
Money, profit, greed? You pick which one. Or make your own reasons.
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That's up for you to imagine....
Money, profit, greed? You pick which one. Or make your own reasons.
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Well, I guess when simple facts aren't sufficient then fantasy must be more believable.
wow
some of these replies were brutal, sheesh
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Honest perhaps. It's pretty simple really. The new OS (4.4) has a new kernel. The new kernel requires new drivers. Neither TI (OMAP SoC) nor ImgTec (PowerVR GPU) will supply those drivers.
Yes, an engineer at TI "released" a blob last fall. But it was not release-quality, it was beta-quality. Not everything is a conspiracy; we've just reached the end of the official support road.
On the other hand if one is inclined to run on the bleeding edge and stability is not their primary concern, there are any number of KitKat custom ROMs in which one can indulge.
have a great evening,
john
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Honest perhaps. It's pretty simple really. The new OS (4.4) has a new kernel. The new kernel requires new drivers. Neither TI (OMAP SoC) nor ImgTec (PowerVR GPU) will supply those drivers.
Yes, an engineer at TI "released" a blob last fall. But it was not release-quality, it was beta-quality. Not everything is a conspiracy; we've just reached the end of the official support road.
On the other hand if one is inclined to run on the bleeding edge and stability is not their primary concern, there are any number of KitKat custom ROMs in which one can indulge.
have a great evening,
john
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Ah crap I didn't mean to thank you. Anyway, yea sure remember all those OEMs you blame and all have given everything you've said to a certain product. GOOGLE GLASS. And go and check what SOC Google Glass uses.
Now have fun.
Global LTE variant (SM-R805F).
All builds:
http://fota-cloud-dn.ospserver.net/firmware/ZTA/SM-R805F/version.test.xml
Released:
http://fota-cloud-dn.ospserver.net/firmware/ZTA/SM-R805F/version.xml
Also for regions other than ZTA, change the region in the links and see for yourself.
Mine has still the September update with the apps-don't-update bug. So much for a flagship.
Don't blame it on the carriers, open models suffer from the same lack of respect for the customer.
All builds:
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1.
You know what test means?
Because your Link contains test builds.... and...
Btw. Internal Server for internal purposes....
2.
You are able to differ between User and Engineer Builds?
Because Engineer variant not for puplic...
Example:
Code:
R805FXX[COLOR="Red"][B]E[/B][/COLOR]1ESF6
E like Engineer
Here for example "User"...
Code:
R805FXX[B][COLOR="Green"]U[/COLOR][/B]1FSL5
3.
Best Regards
LOL, they don't release them because probably no one in their right mind would use some of them.
adfree said:
1.
You know what test means?
Because your Link contains test builds.... and...
Btw. Internal Server for internal purposes....
2.
You are able to differ between User and Engineer Builds?
Because Engineer variant not for puplic...
Example:
Code:
R805FXX[COLOR="Red"][B]E[/B][/COLOR]1ESF6
E like Engineer
Here for example "User"...
Code:
R805FXX[B][COLOR="Green"]U[/COLOR][/B]1FSL5
3.
Best Regards
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what xxS mean in fw number?
what xxS mean in fw number?
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Sorry, no idea yet.
Can you give FULL example?
Where you saw this?
Best Regards
adfree said:
1.
You know what test means?
Because your Link contains test builds.... and...
Btw. Internal Server for internal purposes....
2.
You are able to differ between User and Engineer Builds?
Because Engineer variant not for puplic...
Example:
Code:
R805FXX[COLOR="Red"][B]E[/B][/COLOR]1ESF6
E like Engineer
Here for example "User"...
Code:
R805FXX[B][COLOR="Green"]U[/COLOR][/B]1FSL5
3.
Best Regards
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Then why almost none of the U builds get released? There're plenty of them.
Then why almost none of the U builds get released? There're plenty of them.
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1 Reason QA...
Maybe few of them have more Bugs...
Under Development.. no Final Stage...
IMHO Test Server with word test is self explaining...
IMHO you are End User... Not Field tester or Developer or other Employe for Quality Assurblabla...
1 more reason...
Internal of Samsung R&D...
Btw... Samsung doing daily Builds... also...
Some tiny exercises.. for R&D...
Best Regards
adfree said:
1 Reason QA...
Maybe few of them have more Bugs...
Under Development.. no Final Stage...
IMHO Test Server with word test is self explaining...
IMHO you are End User... Not Field tester or Developer or other Employe for Quality Assurblabla...
1 more reason...
Internal of Samsung R&D...
Btw... Samsung doing daily Builds... also...
Some tiny exercises.. for R&D...
Best Regards
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Thanks for the reply. But questions still arise.
Samsung releases build after build for the Note 9, for instance. The Galaxy Watch is far less complicated, it runs on in-house OS, then the question, why so few builds are released, and so seldom?
I believe there's a either a lack of organization, or a lack of interest, or a lack of capacity, or any combination of those, from Samsung's part.
My Galaxy Watch LTE got its first update in February, build RK (November 2018). The SB build (February 2019) came in on May, still without One UI. Then it took an eon for the September build (SI) to be released, and it was only released in November 3 and in the middle of the night, because hours earlier the February build started daylight savings time when there's no more DST here and all watches were off by one hour.
The SI build came in with not only One UI, but also the well-known, goddamned cannot-update-Samsung-Health-and-some-other-built-in-apps bug that was fixed in June on other regions, which BTW got One UI 6 in May, 6 months earlier than mine.
It's been more than 3 months that I'm dealing with this bug with no way to convince Samsung Health, which can't be updated, that I'm not swimming double the pool lengths that I'm actually swimming, among several annoying, disabling bugs that have already been corrected in the apps but due to the cannot-update bug haven't been updated.
In short, other regions got One UI in May and the fix for the cannot-update bug the month following, here we got One UI in November and more than 3 months after that the patch for the same bug is yet to come.
So forgive me for the lengthy reply, but there's more to it than R&D and codes and tests and builds. Namely Galaxy Watch Active2, I'd risk saying.
My son has a GW, like mine, but it's only the BT version. Last update: December (SL), One UI 1.5, no bugs.
The LTE version is screwed up in updates all around the world, and the Brazilian units are the most forgotten of the bunch.