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[Q] Downside to 4G LTE?

Noob here who has decided on Samsung note 10.1 for my first tablet ... but which one? Looking for fastest performance and longevity. Does the added mobility of 4G degrade performance during WiFi operation? ... are there disadvantages other than related costs?
tx in advance!

I will advice the 4G version because it have the Snap800 like processor and have the 4G that is better and faster like 3G.
Finally, the Snap800 will have more support from dev then the 3G with the Exynos by Sammy

The trade-off will be reduced battery life most likely if traveling in weak LTE areas.

I'm leaning towards SD800, especially after what I saw in the picture
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Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!

g8rella said:
Thank you for your replies. Looks like only the 4G version has the faster SnapDragon800. Ok that's settled.
Between32 and64, will the 64 remain faster as the memory folk
fills up or is it all the same in respect to performance?
Tx for answering my dumb questions!
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I wouldn't say that the sd is faster just yet, there are no real benchmarks out there just yet for the new octo core 5420, based on the few cryptic leaks they seem to think that the new octo might be a tiny bit faster. Im not going to jump to any conclusions just yet, I would preffer the sd800 on my device if only for the cyanogenmod support

Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?

I'm getting the one with the Snapdragon processor in it.

Sammy promised that they will include HMP (Heterogeneous Multi Processing) in their 5xxx processors . Ie; they will make s4,note3 and note 10.1 to real octa core processors through a software upgrade (say kernel upgrade)...so guess , which will have higher performance , sd or exynos? ? ? ?
And also exynos version will have wolfson audio DAC in it , so exynos defeats sd in audio performance
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I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.

Phone 2G
LuckyStrike88 said:
Will you be able to use this device as a phone? As in does it have a dialer that you can use with a regular SIM like the old one?
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I think I read that the phone version (which won't be sold by US cellular companies) is limited to 2G. I would love to hear differently.

RaptorMD said:
I would welcome an LTE model on Verizon except it will be limited to 16GB of storage and I just won't accept that. You need 32GB or higher internal storage for apps not medial content that is what the microsd is for.
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Whoa..that's completely unacceptable (I'm Verizon). Agree on 32 min. Where can I find spex on Verizon's version?
The spec sheet Mashari_F posted helps differentiate among variants but I'm still not clear.
I'll likely have to wait until later in Nov. for my own good ... see how users are feeling about SD VS. OCTA and see what Verizon puts out vs. Wifi.
Tx!

16GB should be fine, I have tons of apps and games installed on my 16GB old note 10
and still have 4-5GB left, if you are planning on installing huge games like nova 3 (I think it takes up 2.2GB) then you might want to consider the 32GB instead
if you root and have a nice size microsd handy, you really wont have to worry about it

So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).

NaxIonz said:
So, if you want the best CPU, you have to buy the version with a cell radio in it? That's kinda dorky, since I can just tether to my phone. But I guess if I want the best CPU I gotta buy the 4G (that I won't use).
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Yes, sure.
Because Snap800 support LTE.
And Snap800 version will be better then Exynos
See the S4, the S600 have more support that Exynos Octa...

We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see

Joey22688 said:
We dont know which is more powerful yet, this is the new octa core, not the old one
Wait for benchmarks from the new one to see
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lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos

Guich said:
lol, benchmarks...
I won't see bench, because they don't have a lot of sense.
Snap800 will be supportated because devs know the architecture and they always have the source code...
Isn't the same for the Exynos...
It's like S3 for the Cyano
So, ATM, Snap > Exynos
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Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?

Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that

The_Maverick said:
Samsung released the kernel source for the Exynos version a few days ago (sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition). I'm not very familiar with all the lingo, so please enlighten me: Is this not (all) the source code that devs need to do their thing?
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The big problem there isn't the source code, this was an older problem, but the structure of the partition and the core.
If a dev will build a kernel, the source are here.
But, trust me, snap have a source code more easy, it's quadcore, and we know all about this.
Joey22688 said:
Can someone explain why someone buys an expensive note 10.1 only to install cyanogenmod and lose all the exclusive features? (Spen, multiwindow, ir blaster, and some other things)
Just buy a nexus 10 or wait for the new one if you are going to do that
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No sense.
There isn't any sense...
In fact, i will buy it only for the feature of the tab, not for the Cyano rom
Maybe, someone, will work on a tweaked rom Touchwiz based.

Is there a seperate thread fr the 2 gb variant of zenfone 2

is there going to be a seperate thread fr the 2 gb variant of this device and will the roms that r gonna be made fr 4 gb variant will be ported to 2 gb variant too?

Dont worry. Why do you think they wont make a rom for 2gb version?

GeneralPag said:
Dont worry. Why do you think they wont make a rom for 2gb version?
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dude i just got this device a weak ago and i m in love with it...since i found no seperate section for 2 gb variant and people have been talking about mostly 4 gb version..it made me wonder if development was gonna happen fr this device too..?

They are the same device. We dont need separate thread. It doesnt matter what CPU it has or how much RAM is in it. They are all ZE551ML model.

GeneralPag said:
They are the same device. We dont need separate thread. It doesnt matter what CPU it has or how much RAM is in it. They are all ZE551ML model.
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before buying this i was told by many people and it was written at many forums that only the flagships evices with snapdragon chipset are biggest recipient of all the development, and devs usually dont like compiliing roms on intel based cpu devices.hence zenfone 2 might never recience any cynogen or aosp based roms ..is it ture?...i rooted my previous xperia deivce and installed a couple of roms and kernels so i have a fair idea of how this all works but i m still kinda noob to all this...

Cm12 rom is being build right now and someone is making a kernel. Remeber other phones cant run win7 or 8 so smooth.

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Cm12 rom is being build right now and someone is making a kernel. Remeber other phones cant run win7 or 8 so smooth.
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Or at all...

Thanks guys ...its just that last time i had desire x dual sim device and there was no rom fr that..i didnt saw many threads regarding any development in process ft 2 gb variant ..so i was just curious ....

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Or at all...
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R u sure that cyanogen rom is in seveloomeny fr 2 gb version too..is there any website i cn confirm from

Bootloader
GeneralPag said:
They are the same device. We dont need separate thread. It doesnt matter what CPU it has or how much RAM is in it. They are all ZE551ML model.
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The ZE551ML has an unlocked bootloader, ours does not. I'm starting to lose hope in this phone.

Which one do you have?

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Which one do you have?
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I think he is talking about the 2 gb ram version.m not aware..of bootloader status but its just that most of discussion here is bein done about 4 gb ram version..so i just have feeling that we might not get any rom ported fr 2gb version..i am not a dev myself..so i have a humble request to all devs to port roms made fr 4gb version on 2 gb version as well thank you..the present stock rom has severe memory leak problem..

Well there are 2 versions of 4gb version. 1,8Ghz and 2,3ghz cpu. I dont think there would be such a problem to do a bit of code to make it work on 2gb of ram.

GeneralPag said:
Well there are 2 versions of 4gb version. 1,8Ghz and 2,3ghz cpu. I dont think there would be such a problem to do a bit of code to make it work on 2gb of ram.
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glad that you are thinking positive. hope we 2gb users get the same treatment and support as 4gb users!

Siddk007 said:
glad that you are thinking positive. hope we 2gb users get the same treatment and support as 4gb users!
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As a 2gb ZE551ML owner, I can assure you that we don't have anything to worry about us being supported. Same for the ZE550ML and ZE500CL especially, it may seem all the focus is on the highest spec models but we're all Zenfone 2 owners in the end.
This is how all new non-nexus devices have to start out until we can reach that adequate balance between models. Remember the saying, "Be together, not the same."
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The ZE551ML exists in 3 configuration ...
2gb/1.8GHz
4gb/1.8GHz (mine)
4gb/2.3GHz
which are basically all the same phone! Kernels, ROMS and recoveries run on all the same!
The ZE550ML has also an unlocked bootloader (don't know about 550CL ... why made asus so damn many versions?!? )
And even the 550ML/CL are nearly the same. So nobody has to worry about not getting anything. When the Kernels etc are stable enough, somebody will port them to the other devices.
The people porting CM12.1 to our device are working pretty hard as far as i can tell (multiple commits a day on github).
What i really want to say with this is ... give it some time. The phone is pretty new and we have devs that are working on it :good:

XneofuX said:
The ZE551ML exists in 3 configuration ...
2gb/1.8GHz
4gb/1.8GHz (mine)
4gb/2.3GHz
which are basically all the same phone! Kernels, ROMS and recoveries run on all the same!
The ZE550ML has also an unlocked bootloader (don't know about 550CL ... why made asus so damn many versions?!? )
And even the 550ML/CL are nearly the same. So nobody has to worry about not getting anything. When the Kernels etc are stable enough, somebody will port them to the other devices.
The people porting CM12.1 to our device are working pretty hard as far as i can tell (multiple commits a day on github).
What i really want to say with this is ... give it some time. The phone is pretty new and we have devs that are working on it :good:
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ur reply gave me some hope...when I got this device I was worried that since it uses intel cpu its not gonna have many roms or kernel built fr it...but seeing the devs working so hard and community so active ..its only a matter of time

I am a 2gb base model owner and I can test to receiving all the same updates as the high end model. We are all treated as equals when it comes to updates and updates have been very frequent and this is extremely impressive when compared to the other smart phone manufacturers.
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4 GB vs. 3 GB RAM

I'm thinking of buying a Mi Max, and I was wondering, how big is the difference between the models with 3 and 4 GB RAM (in terms of speed, reliability, power consumption etc.)? Meaning, is it worth paying more for the 128GB/4GB model (if you don't really need that much storage space), or should the 64GB/3GB model do just fine (since everything else is, as I understand, the same)?
And how stable is the unofficial CM13 for it? Are there any critical components that are not working at this time?

galadroid said:
I'm thinking of buying a Mi Max, and I was wondering, how big is the difference between the models with 3 and 4 GB RAM (in terms of speed, reliability, power consumption etc.)? Meaning, is it worth paying more for the 128GB/4GB model (if you don't really need that much storage space), or should the 64GB/3GB model do just fine (since everything else is, as I understand, the same)?
And how stable is the unofficial CM13 for it? Are there any critical components that are not working at this time?
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I doubt you can feel any performance difference between any of the Mi Maxes available, only in benchmarks... Go with whatever you feel comfortable.
CM is good enough as a daily driver for many of us here, no major issues and as a matter of fact I run it from day one which was 1 week after phone came out, never ran anything else on it and my job depends on my phone... Never had problems.

nijel8 said:
I doubt you can feel any performance difference between any of the Mi Maxes available, only in benchmarks... Go with whatever you feel comfortable.
CM is good enough as a daily driver for many of us here, no major issues and as a matter of fact I run it from day one which was 1 week after phone came out, never ran anything else on it and my job depends on my phone... Never had problems.
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So you prefer cm to RR?

laolang_cool said:
So you prefer cm to RR?
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CM... RR is a little too much for me. I like it simple and add what I need. Also some xposed modules made for AOSP don't work on it because code is too much altered. Never had xposed module for AOSP not working on CM. CM is the closest you can get to AOSP with enough advanced features and settings.

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CM... RR is a little too much for me. I like it simple and add what I need. Also some xposed modules made for AOSP don't work on it because code is too much altered. Never had xposed module for AOSP not working on CM. CM is the closest you can get to AOSP with enough advanced features and settings.
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Yes, I like AOSP(slim would be better) + gravitybox more. Will you port slim to max please?

How's the connectivity doing on this device running CM? With Redmi Note 3, I've had were seemingly random issues such as only seeing 2G network (and not 3G/LTE), or being unable to connect to home wifi after one week.
Is it similar here?

Did you really want 64/128 gb version? I think, if phone has 32 gb internal storage, you don't need to pay more, because it's better to get MicroSD up to 256 GB (tested). If you want 2 sim cards, there is a mod, you can insert 2 sim's and MicroSD. Bought mine Snap 650 3/32 version from Xiaomi Authorized Store and tested it side by side with friends 4/128 gigs version ("best" version). And... I didn't believed my eyes, there was no difference. Snap 652 is just marketing thing, app/game performance is same as 650. Of course, more ram - more apps launched in the background, but 3 gigs is optimal (for the price). This phone is not "high end", so if price matters, get 3/32, it's the best price/performance version.

Well, yes. Here's how the current total price (including "gifts" and DHL delivery) stands between models:
128 GB - 298 EUR
64 GB - 246 EUR
32 GB - 220 EUR
So there really isn't much to think between 32 and 64.
All in all, before I decide (or change my mind), I'm also waiting for eventual comments regarding connectivity with this device running CM13 (it was bad on Redmi Note 3, and it is a game-killer).

It's your way to decide, which capacity will be enough for your needs. I didn't tested CM13 so much, but connectivities worked as good as with MIUI. Anyway, CM is not stable, you know it.

Like the others have said, from what I've heard there's no real-world difference between the 650/652 chipsets. Also note, there is a 16GB/2GB RAM version available for around £140/€155 shipped, which if you ask me is a ridiculous bargain!

I've noticed that both 32 and 64 GB models are now selling at about 209 EUR (plus delivery costs). LineageOS effect?

On the other hand, if You plan to take a load of photos / videos, or use Your phone as a music player with extra connectivity features, there's nothing wrong with hunting for a nice deal for the 128gb. It really is down to what You plan to use it for - if You're not media hungry it defeats the purpose. I got a nice deal on gearbest on the 128 - look out for flash sales - the amount of storage means I'll probably never need an sd card, but that option is there too should I be proven wrong at some point (I'm loading it up with FLAC music as soon as MIUI is out of the way).

The main difference is the 128gb has more fast internal storage, unlikely an sdcard you get will be as fast as internal.

I have the 2GB model and its fine with lineageOS. Less fine with stock rom, but still OK. 3 or 4 you will not notice the diff in daily use I personally guarantee you.

Me thinks that 3 GB would be enough. Running RR583 (hydrogen), have 1.2 const used, max 2.1 gb. With disabled big cores, the phone lives 4 days per charge.

inayelle.arts said:
Me thinks that 3 GB would be enough. Running RR583 (hydrogen), have 1.2 const used, max 2.1 gb. With disabled big cores, the phone lives 4 days per charge.
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And here I was thinking I should pay extra for the 650 to 652 jump for 2 extra big cores. :laugh:

3GB RAM vs 4GB RAM Mi5S

Hello,
I'm looking into getting the mi5s (not the plus)
Not sure which one to get! But want to spend the least money.
To explain I have cloud storage, Google...
I stream everything to my phone, so 64GB storage should be plenty, but 128GB sounds tempting as I could store more videos and music.
The question I'm asking is, is there a noticeable difference between 3GB RAM and 4GB RAM?
If I could afford it now, I would go for the more expensive option, but right now I can only afford the 3GB RAM 64GB ROM version.
So should I hold out to get the 4GB RAM version just for the extra 1GB RAM? Like I say I can make do with streaming my stuff, as where I live, work and play there's always WiFi or 4G.

More RAM is always welcomed in Android.
I have 4GB 128GB version. With MIUI global 7.1.5, available RAM is always 1GB or less.
There's only 1 game app installed.

bananasiong said:
More RAM is always welcomed in Android.
I have 4GB 128GB version. With MIUI global 7.1.5, available RAM is always 1GB or less.
There's only 1 game app installed.
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Exactly he same on my 3GB version, ~1GB free.
The fact is you can use the free RAM as a parameter.
The only OS I know that flush memory immediately is Windows, all the other OS I know give it back when need because the others use it also as "cache".
I don't have any problem with mine and the whole OS+apps are very smooth and fluid.
I would say, if you are on budget, buy 3GB version now. If you wait and you use free RAM as parameter 4GB will not be enough and you'll have to buy a 6GB device.

Atm I'm still rocking the Moto x play, and I've always got 500MB RAM free, so having a gig free on 3GB RAM phone will be an increase for me.
Would it be it be possible to block ads on the mi5s without rooting? As I want to be able to use android pay.
Edit: just realised I can block ads without root, using adblock or dns66. Though will android pay still work?
I'm thinking of getting the 3GB version.

OberZine said:
Atm I'm still rocking the Moto x play, and I've always got 500MB RAM free, so having a gig free on 3GB RAM phone will be an increase for me.
Would it be it be possible to block ads on the mi5s without rooting? As I want to be able to use android pay.
Edit: just realised I can block ads without root, using adblock or dns66. Though will android pay still work?
I'm thinking of getting the 3GB version.
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Still remember that Moto is Stock Android and that Xiaomi is MIUI, so i guess its heavier, if u know what i mean. If u r running that low maybe your option is going for the 4GB 128GB but not the Mi5S, 'just' the Mi5 lol
The mi5 is great and it actually has development, but the Mi5S basically nothing apart from MIUI official ROMS. So the Mi5s doesnt have cm or anything like that to go to just in case u rnt sure about miui and prefer to go back to aosp

Carlosbgx said:
The mi5 is great and it actually has development, but the Mi5S basically nothing apart from MIUI official ROMS. So the Mi5s doesnt have cm or anything like that to go to just in case u rnt sure about miui and prefer to go back to aosp
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That is true. But that's temporary. When Xiaomi releases kernel sources for Mi 5s, there will be much more development as device has very affordable price for the hardware it provides which does make it rather popular...
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Carlosbgx said:
The mi5 is great and it actually has development, but the Mi5S basically nothing apart from MIUI official ROMS. So the Mi5s doesnt have cm or anything like that to go to just in case u rnt sure about miui and prefer to go back to aosp
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Mi 5s have cm ported :good: Right now, mi 5s have LineageOS and CM13 ported by Xiaobai112220

Great then
Was planning to buy one of those, but ill probably wait till mi6 hehe

v0ne said:
Mi 5s have cm ported :good: Right now, mi 5s have LineageOS and CM13 ported by Xiaobai112220
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Where can this port be found? I would love to try it out, or is it still being tested?

Camaaki said:
Where can this port be found? I would love to try it out, or is it still being tested?
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_SYQSdSx0sqa3UxQU5wYzJ4Yzg/view
And download open gaaps for 6.0 and install with the rom

Camaaki said:
Where can this port be found? I would love to try it out, or is it still being tested?
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All you need to knw about the two (2) roms are here https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5s/help/cm-to-support-mi5s-t3498417/page19
CM13 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_N06BmAJ75aM0dEU3g3NFRmelU/view?usp=drivesdk
LineageOS https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_SYQSdSx0sqa3UxQU5wYzJ4Yzg/view?usp=sharing
Btw, lineageOs is more stable.

The thing is I want to be able to use android pay

Moto G5 (XT1676) in 2020

Hello everybody.
I'm looking to buy this phone (new) as a daily driver. I know its kinda old, so I would like to ask is it still worth it to buy this phone? I don't use much apps and use my phone for texting, browsing, reddit, calls etc...
I see that there are a lot of roms for this phone, so i would like to ask are they reliable and up-to-date? Or have they been abandoned? I would like to buy a phone and be set with it for next 5+ years.
I would like to buy a phone with removable battery so my other option is Samsung xcover 4s.
Thanks in advance.

crocodilehun said:
Hello everybody.
I'm looking to buy this phone (new) as a daily driver. I know its kinda old, so I would like to ask is it still worth it to buy this phone? I don't use much apps and use my phone for texting, browsing, reddit, calls etc...
I see that there are a lot of roms for this phone, so i would like to ask are they reliable and up-to-date? Or have they been abandoned? I would like to buy a phone and be set with it for next 5+ years.
I would like to buy a phone with removable battery so my other option is Samsung xcover 4s.
Thanks in advance.
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If you buy an 3GB RAM model, I think you're OK.

crocodilehun said:
Hello everybody.
I'm looking to buy this phone (new) as a daily driver. I know its kinda old, so I would like to ask is it still worth it to buy this phone? I don't use much apps and use my phone for texting, browsing, reddit, calls etc...
I see that there are a lot of roms for this phone, so i would like to ask are they reliable and up-to-date? Or have they been abandoned? I would like to buy a phone and be set with it for next 5+ years.
I would like to buy a phone with removable battery so my other option is Samsung xcover 4s.
Thanks in advance.
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Custom 64bit roms for this device currently have a bug with the camera
If you can get your hands on one look at the Moto g7 play on ebay
It's updatable to stock android 10 and probably just as cheap as this device second hand or refurbished

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Custom 64bit roms for this device currently have a bug with the camera
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If I may ask. Does this bug affect 3rd party cameras?

R1ffR4ff said:
If I may ask. Does this bug affect 3rd party cameras?
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Effects any camera app
May have slight green tint in photos
May only be be able to take a certain amount of photos before phone/app needs restarting
Video recording may not work in some apps or may not save file correctly
QR code scanning may not work correctly
The above list is a rough bug list and may vary on a device by device basis & rom version & apps being used

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Effects any camera app
May have slight green tint in photos
May only be be able to take a certain amount of photos before phone/app needs restarting
Video recording may not work in some apps or may not save file correctly
QR code scanning may not work correctly
The above list is a rough bug list and may vary on a device by device basis & rom version & apps being used
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Thank you for the excellent reply. I'm quite happy at the moment with the Stock Oreo on my G5 which I recently got A-grade refurbished at a decent price as my old Moto G3 is getting a bit tatty. It seems that my old G3 is better supported at the moment as I'm running 3 different Android 10 Custom roms all working good(Floko/crDroid/Havoc).
It's a shame that crDroid seem to only cover the G5 Potter and Sanders
https://crdroid.net/dl.php

TheFixItMan said:
Custom 64bit roms for this device currently have a bug with the camera
If you can get your hands on one look at the Moto g7 play on ebay
It's updatable to stock android 10 and probably just as cheap as this device second hand or refurbished
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nift4 said:
If you buy an 3GB RAM model, I think you're OK.
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Thank you guys. Moto G7 is a bit too large for me as i would like something below 5.5. All the other phones that i've looked at are upgradeable to Oreo or Pie at best. Xcover 4s is upgreadable to Android 10, so i think ill go with that one. And all of the custom roms for other smartphones i've looked at, like LG G3 or G5 seem to have some bugs, or they are not up to date. I don't know is there a point in installing something like LineageOS 14, if that rom is out dated and has security holes in it.

crocodilehun said:
Thank you guys. Moto G7 is a bit too large for me as i would like something below 5.5. All the other phones that i've looked at are upgradeable to Oreo or Pie at best. Xcover 4s is upgreadable to Android 10, so i think ill go with that one. And all of the custom roms for other smartphones i've looked at, like LG G3 or G5 seem to have some bugs, or they are not up to date. I don't know is there a point in installing something like LineageOS 14, if that rom is out dated and has security holes in it.
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Moto g7 play screen is 5.7 Inch but probably worth the extra screen size compared with other options
LineageOS 14.1 for this device (along with stock rom) is only 32bit so you are limited to only arm-eabi armv7 apps as apposed to later devices which are armv8 and support arm64 (64 bit) out the box

TheFixItMan said:
Moto g7 play screen is 5.7 Inch but probably worth the extra screen size compared with other options
LineageOS 14.1 for this device (along with stock rom) is only 32bit so you are limited to only arm-eabi armv7 apps as apposed to later devices which are armv8 and support arm64 (64 bit) out the box
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I've done some research and G7 for European market does not have removable battery, and there aren't any i can buy locally. I would like to buy locally because the shipping adds to the price. What about LG G5, would you recomend it if i put some stable and official rom on it?
Thanks in advance.

crocodilehun said:
I've done some research and G7 for European market does not have removable battery, and there aren't any i can buy locally. I would like to buy locally because the shipping adds to the price. What about LG G5, would you recomend it if i put some stable and official rom on it?
Thanks in advance.
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Never used it so can't comment - have a read of reviews etc