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[Q] [4Qs] PJ46110 (S720b) (AU) vs PJ46100 (S720e) (UK)

Hi all,
I live in Australia and I bough the One X from UK, online, the model ID wasJ46100 and Model name:S720e, but I returned it with a full refund because it has the flickering screen issue.
I bought another one from a local store in Melbourne, Australia (outright) it was very obvious that the new one has no flickering issue, but the model ID isJ46110 and model name:S720b!
From the firmware thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551581) I notice that they are talking about the MIDJ4610000 while my MID isJ4611000 and because I unlocked the bootloader before saving the CID now I'm getting "none" as CID, so I *think* that I won't be able to upgrade my firmware until the S-OFF
None of the RUU here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1543604) works for me!
My questions:
Q1- Is there any way I can upgrade to 1.28 (or higher) without waiting for the S-OFF?
Q2- Is there any reason makes me return my PJ46110 and buy PJ46100? as I have 30-day return period.
Q3- How can I find the RUU that works for my device (any version)? Note: RUU extraction method didn't work
Q4- Is it OK to flash a custom ROM based on higher firmware than my device? For example: flashing ARHD 3.0.0 (which is 1.28-based on my 1.26 device) (This example works fine, but what about any future releases)
Note: I got the model ID from the back of the device, and model name from the box's cover, and MID from "fastboot getvar mid".
Out Of The Topic NOTE: I notice that there was FCC logo on the PJ46100 (UK model) but not in the PJ46110 (AU model)!!

AlRokayan said:
Hi all,
I live in Australia and I bough the One X from UK, online, the model ID wasJ46100 and Model name:S720e, but I returned it with a full refund because it has the flickering screen issue.
I bought another one from a local store in Melbourne, Australia (outright) it was very obvious that the new one has no flickering issue, but the model ID isJ46110 and model name:S720b!
From the firmware thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551581) I notice that they are talking about the MIDJ4610000 while my MID isJ4611000 and because I unlocked the bootloader before saving the CID now I'm getting "none" as CID, so I *think* that I won't be able to upgrade my firmware until the S-OFF
None of the RUU here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1543604) works for me!
My questions:
Q1- Is there any way I can upgrade to 1.28 (or higher) without waiting for the S-OFF?
Q2- Is there any reason makes me return my PJ46110 and buy PJ46100? as I have 30-day return period.
Q3- How can I find the RUU that works for my device (any version)? Note: RUU extraction method didn't work
Q4- Is it OK to flash a custom ROM based on higher firmware than my device? For example: flashing ARHD 3.0.0 (which is 1.28-based on my 1.26 device) (This example works fine, but what about any future releases)
Note: I got the model ID from the back of the device, and model name from the box's cover, and MID from "fastboot getvar mid".
Out Of The Topic NOTE: I notice that there was FCC logo on the PJ46100 (UK model) but not in the PJ46110 (AU model)!!
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A1 - You can't get OTA update without S-OFF even if you flash RUU because devices needs to have stock recovery and locked/re-locked bootloader. Also RUU is region dependent. So ANY RUU won't work until we have S-OFF.
A2 - IMO not a good idea to return the Aussie model and get the UK model unless you really have to and must get the OTA update.
A3 - I haven't seen any Optus or Vodafone RUU for Australia yet so you you will not get the 1.28 base via OTA until Optus or Vodafone releases them.
A4 - it is okay to flash custom ROM but you won't get any official updates until you bring your phone back to stock (stock recovery + re-locked bootloader and use RUU for your phone which is not out there yet if you have a Optus handset or Vodafone handset)
Having S-OFF we can make our device super CID which should work on any RUU once you have stock recovery and re-locked bootloader.

shadowboy23 said:
A2 - IMO not a good idea to return the Aussie model and get the UK model unless you really have to and must get the OTA update.
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So as soon as we have the S-OFF my PJ46110 can be used exactly as PJ46100?
I asked because I have had very bad experience with Samsung Galaxy S II I9100G which does't accept the I9100 (without the G) ROMs, and I'm afraid that I'll face the same thing here
shadowboy23 said:
A4 - it is okay to flash custom ROM but you won't get any official updates until you bring your phone back to stock (stock recovery + re-locked bootloader and use RUU for your phone which is not out there yet if you have a Optus handset or Vodafone handset)
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If it is OK to flash the custom ROMs without upgrading the firmware why the ROM developers always insist to upgrade the firmware before flashing?

AlRokayan said:
So as soon as we have the S-OFF my PJ46110 can be used exactly as PJ46100?
I asked because I have had very bad experience with Samsung Galaxy S II I9100G which does't accept the I9100 (without the G) ROMs, and I'm afraid that I'll face the same thing here
If it is OK to flash the custom ROMs without upgrading the firmware why the ROM developers always insist to upgrade the firmware before flashing?
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Like I said with S-OFF we can get super CID which basically we can debrand our phones or convert our phones to use the RUU we want.
Devs say that so the phone won't have glitches like battery drain or lags. Basically if you use latest firmware means better performance.

AlRokayan said:
So as soon as we have the S-OFF my PJ46110 can be used exactly as PJ46100?
I asked because I have had very bad experience with Samsung Galaxy S II I9100G which does't accept the I9100 (without the G) ROMs, and I'm afraid that I'll face the same thing here
If it is OK to flash the custom ROMs without upgrading the firmware why the ROM developers always insist to upgrade the firmware before flashing?
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I9100/i9100g is a different situation, they have different hardware inside and are effectively different phones.
I have the aus model too and am having no issues at all with custom rom (leedroid right now). The only major difference is that you wont get ota updates until optus / voda approve them. When we get super cid and soff you will be able to flash wwe ruu as soon as they are available.
M.
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[Q] Update AT&T or Flash?

Hello Guys, i bought my htc one m8 some months ago and now i'm missing the updates.
My m8 is from US by AT&T with android 4.4.2 and now i live in brazil and it does not show new updates.
I don't know if it is some error or if it is normal from non-us.
So, should I flash a custom ROM or something? I Already have experience with previous android versions but with my htc i'm lost...
What should I do step by step? Unlock boot, S-OFF and flash?

Anyone? I really want to update mu phone...

You will only receive updates for an AT&T device while connected to AT&T's network. Most carriers in the world don't work this way (you will normally get OTAs on most other Android devices) but you can "thank" AT&T for this one. So for AT&T devices, yes this is "normal" and you will never receive an OTA with the phone in its current condition.
You can RUU to the latest AT&T software (which is currently Android 4.4.3): http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-htc-one-m8/general/htc-one-m8-ruu-m8ul-4-4-3-t2860423
Then wait for the Android 4.4.4 RUU to be released (hopefully soon). Backup any personal data before RUU, as your phone will be wiped with this process.
Alternately, you can unlock the bootloader (root, s-off, etc.) as you mentioned, and from there either:
- Install custom ROMs
- Or "convert" your phone to another version so that it can then receive "official" OTAs.

redpoint73 said:
- Or "convert" your phone to another version so that it can then receive "official" OTAs.
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Oh, thanks for response, but how can i "convert" my phone?
I just install 4.4.3 from your link, and I did not realize the work that would have to rearrange everything again ...

guire01 said:
Oh, thanks for response, but how can i "convert" my phone?
I just install 4.4.3 from your link, and I did not realize the work that would have to rearrange everything again ...
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Easiest way would probably be to use the Developer's Edition or GPE RUU. S-off or changing the CID may be required (and changing CID requires unlocking the bootloader and root). Either DE or GPE is not carrier branded, so will be better than stock AT&T software to most folks (for whom AT&T is not their carrier). But again with most RUUs, the phone will be wiped.
You may be able to do it piece by piece, although I'm not sure. Unlock the bootloader, install custom recovery, then flash a stock nandroid for the carrier version you want. Change CID (and possibly may need to change MID) and flash the stock recovery for your version. You may need to s-off and also change your firmware (bootloader, radio, etc.). Doing it this way is complex, might not even be possible. Although in theory it should work if you have all the pieces and s-off.
None of these approaches are trivial, and you should expect that your data will be wiped (backup anything important) regardless of the approach.

Some général questions about the one M8 before buying it

Hello fellow xda people!
I know,I know, the title isn't very accurate. Give me suggestions if you have something more accurate.
I'd like to buy that phone, but after reading some threads here, I still have some questions :
-If I want to send my phone back to htc, let's say for a battery problem, should I go back to full stock? Because apparently to go back to stock we need to use a RUU, which needs S-OFF. But S-Off is a hint for them to understand we rooted, installed custom roms no? So if I need to send them back, am I screwed?
-Then, speaking about the customer service, how did you find it if you had to deal with it? And especially in Europe and France...
-If I don't want to go back to stock, should I go S-Off? Saw somewhere we had to pay for it :/, so is it worth it? What are the advantages?
-if I order it now, will I receive a quickcharge 2.0 charger or will I have to order it apart?
-How do you think will be the development for this phone in a few years? I'm new to HTC, so will they push updates for android N or was MM the last official update pushed?
-Are there different versions of the phone, making it incompatible with some ROMs? And if yes, which one should I choose? What is the name of the international version?
-I think that's all, If I need something else, I'll post back here
Thank you everyone!

My responses below, in red font:
WoBble12 said:
I know,I know, the title isn't very accurate. Give me suggestions if you have something more accurate.
I think the title is great. It describes what you are trying to do, and what you are asking.
-If I want to send my phone back to htc, let's say for a battery problem, should I go back to full stock? Because apparently to go back to stock we need to use a RUU, which needs S-OFF. But S-Off is a hint for them to understand we rooted, installed custom roms no? So if I need to send them back, am I screwed? If returning to HTC for warranty, going back to full stock is recommended (stock software, LOCKED bootloader, and possibly s-on). You do not need s-off to RUU (as long as its the proper RUU for your M8 version and proper RUU number - no downgrading with s-on). But you do need s-off to make the bootloader say LOCKED (which after UNLOCKED, only RELOCKED is possible with s-on). If you have s-off, you can change it back to say s-on. Although it is possible (although uncommon) for devices to come from the factory with s-off, so requirement to make it s-on (for warranty) is debatable.
-Then, speaking about the customer service, how did you find it if you had to deal with it? And especially in Europe and France... I don't live in Europe, nor have I dealt with HTC very much. Honestly, I've owned 6 HTC devices, and almost zero problems with any of them.
-If I don't want to go back to stock, should I go S-Off? Saw somewhere we had to pay for it :/, so is it worth it? What are the advantages? You don't need s-off to root of flash custom ROMs. s-off is needed to flash modified hboots, manually flash radios, and a few other things. S-off is useful, but not mandatory for many people.
-if I order it now, will I receive a quickcharge 2.0 charger or will I have to order it apart? You will get a standard charger. If you want QC 2.0, you'll need to put it separately, but there are 3rd party versions that are good quality, and inexpensive.
-How do you think will be the development for this phone in a few years? I'm new to HTC, so will they push updates for android N or was MM the last official update pushed? I don't think HTC has stated it officially, but most of us are suspecting that MM is the last major update. So you may be relying to ports (from newer HTC devices), AOSP ROMs, etc. if you want Android N. ROM development is still decent; although certainly slowing. But I expect and hope some devs will keep supporting the M8 for some time to come.
-Are there different versions of the phone, making it incompatible with some ROMs? And if yes, which one should I choose? What is the name of the international version? CDMA version (Sprint and Verizon), the dual SIM M8, and M8 Eye all need specific ROMs (or at least specific kernels, in the case of the CDMA versions). Otherwise, the other M8 version are all virtually the same, and share ROMs. So for the purpose of custom ROMs, I would definitely recommend the "international" otherwise known as the "GSM" M8 (so any version except CDMA, dual SIM, or Eye).
You should also be careful where you buy from, and what version you are buying. I've seen some folks on here that thought they were buying a international/GSM M8, but it was a Sprint or Verizon that was debranded (software modified, back plate changed) to make it seem like a it was the international version.
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OK, Thank you very much @redpoint73 for this precise answer! So I was still browsing around for more info about that phone, and a guy said we have to extract the kernel of every ROM (except for stock based Roms) and flash it separately if we are s-on. It was a HTC forum, but the topic was very global, so is this specific phone part of them, or can I flash complete ROM packages directly without extracting the kernel?
And, another one, how can I be sure my phone is a GSM version? They have a different name under "about phone" section of the settings, but this can be faked I think. And I could also verify the MID in the boot loader?

WoBble12 said:
! So I was still browsing around for more info about that phone, and a guy said we have to extract the kernel of every ROM (except for stock based Roms) and flash it separately if we are s-on.
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That is totally false. This was true on some older HTC devices (maybe they mean the One M7?) but was never the case on the M8. You just wipe and flash the desired ROM. Kernel flashes with the ROM automatically.
WoBble12 said:
And, another one, how can I be sure my phone is a GSM version? They have a different name under "about phone" section of the settings, but this can be faked I think. And I could also verify the MID in the boot loader?
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You need to look at not only the CID and MID in bootloader (getvar all) but also the product name (such as m8_ul, etc.). CID and MID can be easily hacked with s-off, but as far as I've seen, the product name is never modified.
Good list of MIDs and product names (column labelled "Variant" on the table) here: http://droider.eu/2014/09/20/htc-one-m8-models/
Until you have the phone in hard, I'm not sure how much of this you can tell for sure. So buy from a reputable source, with a guaranteed method of refund of exchange, in case the device is not as advertised (and we're seeing more and more of that lately).

[QUESTION]Firmware Flashing

Im not sure i understand everything perfectly. I have just got my HTC10 from tmobile, so its a tmobile us branded htc 10. Unlocked bootloader, S-off'd and did some other crap. Clearly tmobile is lagging on firmware releases. So my question is, can any firmware be flashed on my device now?(like the RUUs on htcdev.com)? Say for specific example, the unlocked/developer RUU? Im sure i would have to write supercid, but other than that, is this a common practice to flash firmware not from the carrier on carrier-branded devices? Will this mess anything up? Thanks

If the "some other crap" that you did was change the cid and mid to match the US unlocked HTC 10 then yes, you can flash the US unlocked RUU. For any RUU you want to flash, make sure the CID and MID match that RUU or it'll give an error. Don't use super CID.. Use the correct CID/MID for the RUU. It won't mess anything up.. You'll still have your Wi-Fi calling and VoLTE with T-Mobile. Enjoy the updated software once you're done.
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RUU issue

I currently have a customer who has HTC One M9 at my house and it is the AT&T variant. They have it carrier unlocked so that it works on the T-Mobile service provider. Problem is they keep dropping GPS signal so I tried to check what their software version is. It looks like they have software version 5.0. I tried to use the are ruu to update it, but every time it gets into download mode to start loading the file or bootloader mode rather it just tells me that the phone is not the right software. I'm using the AT&T ruu. Is there any reason why this is not working? I also tried the carrier unlocked version but the phone is clearly of AT&T pedigree

Cid and mid needs to be known

Currently running super Sid but previously was AT&T Sid. I can change the SIDS anything I want with Chimera tools. I don't know what the mid is though I'm not even sure what a mid is

Changing the CID without changing the firmware has the same effect as drinking snake oil. In addition the SuperCID prevents the M9 from accepting OTAs. You should take a look at the ReadMe thread. All information you might need are either there or linked in the further reading section of that thread.
I personally don't think that people should use such tools as the one that you mentioned. You don't know what kind of commands the tool is actually using so that you don't have any control about what's happening to the phone. (Not to mention that you don't learn how to fix a problem if the tool fails due to whatever reason.) Most of the features that tool is offering for HTC devices are available for free and don't take longer than a handful of minute if done manually.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using XDA Labs

If I load the t-mobile cid will it take the tmobile ruu?

CID 11111111
MID OPJA11000
Need this to run on tmobile network. It is an AT&Tb phone

No, changing the CID is not enough since the MID of the T-Mobile US variant isn't the same as the one for the AT&T version. As said before, please read the ReadMe thread. The RUUs are sorted by MID and CID, there, and the conversion guide tells you what to do for converting one version of the M9 to another. Be aware that the US T-Mobile variant RUUs are not the ones at the top of the download section. Those are the ones for T-Mobile Germany and T-Mobile Poland.

I converted it to an AT&T unlocked