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My thoughts on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus (Rant)

I just got my Galaxy Nexus about a week ago - by far the best phone I could ask for (within a reasonable price). Coming from a Motorola Droid X2 (stupid locked bootloader...) I was really looking forward to getting the full potential out of my new phone! The first thing I did with the phone right after I got it was unlock that bootloader - not a single bit of hesitation. After watching many videos, reading guides and doing all the possible research I could, I knew this was a great choice and that I wouldn't mess up.
Flashed TWRP, played with a few ROM's and kernels, and boy - I couldn't be happier. I'm like a kid in a candy store - I'm just doing what I please, getting what I want and more! Oh, I wanna put CWM on instead? Boom. Done. Bored and I wanna flash CM10 for the hell of it? Done! I'm finally done with that stupid bootstrap from my old Droid X2.
But this is all fine and dandy, but there's one thing that bothers me... one thing that just, gets on my nerves afters HOURS of tinkering. That god d*mn Super Amoled Screen. I, cannot for the love me, get this thing perfect. After countless hours, numerous kernels and apps... there's always that tiny bit of a discoloring; yellow-ish to be exact. I just can't get it to go away... The screen is great an all, but i'd rather have a "not as good" screen with accurate colors than one that tints on me. This is really only noticable with grays, whites and rarely blacks - but it's just a pest.
I just wanna slam my face in the desk sometimes because I just can't get it... but it looks like almost no one else can either.
For discussion sake, what is your input on the screen? Anything anyone else would like to add?

IAreKyleW00t said:
I just got my Galaxy Nexus about a week ago - by far the best phone I could ask for (within a reasonable price). Coming from a Motorola Droid X2 (stupid locked bootloader...) I was really looking forward to getting the full potential out of my new phone! The first thing I did with the phone right after I got it was unlock that bootloader - not a single bit of hesitation. After watching many videos, reading guides and doing all the possible research I could, I knew this was a great choice and that I wouldn't mess up.
Flashed TWRP, played with a few ROM's and kernels, and boy - I couldn't be happier. I'm like a kid in a candy store - I'm just doing what I please, getting what I want and more! Oh, I wanna put CWM on instead? Boom. Done. Bored and I wanna flash CM10 for the hell of it? Done! I'm finally done with that stupid bootstrap from my old Droid X2.
But this is all fine and dandy, but there's one thing that bothers me... one thing that just, gets on my nerves afters HOURS of tinkering. That god d*mn Super Amoled Screen. I, cannot for the love me, get this thing perfect. After countless hours, numerous kernels and apps... there's always that tiny bit of a discoloring; yellow-ish to be exact. I just can't get it to go away... The screen is great an all, but i'd rather have a "not as good" screen with accurate colors than one that tints on me. This is really only noticable with grays, whites and rarely blacks - but it's just a pest.
I just wanna slam my face in the desk sometimes because I just can't get it... but it looks like almost no one else can either.
For discussion sake, what is your input on the screen? Anything anyone else would like to add?
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Play screen roulette, return it and get another one.
Some are fine. Mine is pristine. My wife's screen sucks.

adrynalyne said:
Play screen roulette, return it and get another one.
Some are fine. Mine is pristine. My wife's screen sucks.
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I'm considering it... I'm sure I'd probably get use to it since the effect is small enough than an average person wouldn't even notice; such as my friends. When showing them, they said it looked great!
If I were to return it (which I bought it at a Local BestBuy store), would I need to (or should I) factory reset my device? By that I mean, re-lock the bootloader, stock recovery, stock ROM; just stock everything. I dunno how "uptight" they would be about things like that... Would it even be worth the effort?

IAreKyleW00t said:
I'm considering it... I'm sure I'd probably get use to it since the effect is small enough than an average person wouldn't even notice; such as my friends. When showing them, they said it looked great!
If I were to return it (which I bought it at a Local BestBuy store), would I need to (or should I) factory reset my device? By that I mean, re-lock the bootloader, stock recovery, stock ROM; just stock everything. I dunno how "uptight" they would be about things like that... Would it even be worth the effort?
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Pretty uptight. Return it back to factory condition.

adrynalyne said:
Pretty uptight. Return it back to factory condition.
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I figured as much. I probably would have done that anyways to be safe. Thanks for the feedback. ^_^
Do you think it's worth going through the trouble though? (or anyone else for that matter)

IAreKyleW00t said:
I figured as much. I probably would have done that anyways to be safe. Thanks for the feedback. ^_^
Do you think it's worth going through the trouble though? (or anyone else for that matter)
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If you think you will get used to it and can accept it, then I'd say keep it. However if it irritates you enough to post about it, I'd return it.

you could try playing with the color values (white is white on my screen and no purple tint above 10% brightness)

ooohhaaahh said:
you could try playing with the color values (white is white on my screen and no purple tint above 10% brightness)
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As stated in my first post, I've had tried to do this for hours. But I may try another ROM/kernel and do some more tinkering... I dunno yet. I've played around with CM10, AOKP (current) and I plan to give Codename a shot too..

Flash stock and live with it.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807

Soldier-2Point0 said:
Flash stock and live with it.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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I may try Stock again - but I don't have a GSM/HSPA+ phone. I got the Verizon CMDA/LTE.

I'm with you on this one. Amoled is one of the worst designs in screen tech and even worse in pentile. Don't worry about replacing it, the display will always look off. Its just the nature of the beast. Sad to say Verizon doesnt have a single beastly phone without Amoled. Kinda sucks.
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altimax98 said:
I'm with you on this one. Amoled is one of the worst designs in screen tech and even worse in pentile. Don't worry about replacing it, the display will always look off. Its just the nature of the beast. Sad to say Verizon doesnt have a single beastly phone without Amoled. Kinda sucks.
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SAMOLED HD done right is fine, even PenTile. It just so happens we were the guinea pigs that got it first, and it was perfected on other devices.

altimax98 said:
I'm with you on this one. Amoled is one of the worst designs in screen tech and even worse in pentile. Don't worry about replacing it, the display will always look off. Its just the nature of the beast. Sad to say Verizon doesnt have a single beastly phone without Amoled. Kinda sucks.
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adrynalyne said:
Let me roll my eyes....twice.
SAMOLED HD done right is fine, even PenTile. It just so happens we were the guinea pigs that got it first, and it was perfected on other devices.
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Hahaha, It's not so much that it's a bad screen, it's the fact that it's difficult to get a "good" one. Sure, maybe one here and there, but almost everyone has these issues. :\

IAreKyleW00t said:
Hahaha, It's not so much that it's a bad screen, it's the fact that it's difficult to get a "good" one. Sure, maybe one here and there, but almost everyone has these issues. :\
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Samsung stuck us with the crap ones and left the good 'uns for the GS3.

adrynalyne said:
Samsung stuck us with the crap ones and left the good 'uns for the GS3.
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I figured as much... why does that not surprise me. xD

Mine had a very slight yellow tint, but enough to annoy me. On AOKP using franco kernel and his tweaker app. Raised the blue muliplier to 237, done. Whites are white now. Ymmv as every screen is different, but I was able to make my slightly off screen dead on with one simple adjustment

speedyink said:
Mine had a very slight yellow tint, but enough to annoy me. On AOKP using franco kernel and his tweaker app. Raised the blue muliplier to 237, done. Whites are white now. Ymmv as every screen is different, but I was able to make my slightly off screen dead on with one simple adjustment
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Where you using the default franco color settings for the rest of the values?

There's a screen calibrating thread stickied in this section. You should check out what others have tried. With trinity I use all 0 for gamma, -5 contrast and 145R 145G 190B. It seems to be pretty good for my eyes...
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My screen's color seems great to me. What bugs me about this phone is the dang screen ghosting that happens. Kind of like a cheap plasma TV. Oh well I love this phone other than that.
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akira02rex said:
There's a screen calibrating thread stickied in this section.
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+1. And mine is fine. Trinity with the blue turned down a bit. No yellow....

I'm considering going to Red...

So, I've been watching tutorials on changing the HTC One from Silver to Red. Anyone wanna possibly give it a try?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wCeGY4Lr70&feature=c4-overview&list=UUeI5PxCt2kOVkIHrIb6LH5Q
Here is the red housing. http://www.mengtor.com/product_show.php?category=1035&pid=13499

sebastianraven said:
So, I've been watching tutorials on changing the HTC One from Silver to Red. Anyone wanna possibly give it a try?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wCeGY4Lr70&feature=c4-overview&list=UUeI5PxCt2kOVkIHrIb6LH5Q
Here is the red housing. http://www.mengtor.com/product_show.php?category=1035&pid=13499
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thats horrifying to me. I would never in a million years attempt that.
But if you get the results, I guess go for it :victory:
But, no, not me - ever

crazyg0od33 said:
thats horrifying to me. I would never in a million years attempt that.
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This. 100x this.
I hope it works for you though, OP.

You couldn't pay me to open up my htc one..
his attitude towards the phone is my exact reasoning for concern for Refurbishment phones.

Eh... that's an awful lot of work... risky work too since it isn't really designed to come apart.
I don't think I would...

sebastianraven said:
So, I've been watching tutorials on changing the HTC One from Silver to Red. Anyone wanna possibly give it a try?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wCeGY4Lr70&feature=c4-overview&list=UUeI5PxCt2kOVkIHrIb6LH5Q
Here is the red housing. http://www.mengtor.com/product_show.php?category=1035&pid=13499
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I don't think that's the full back piece either. It's just the front. You would still have to get the entire back piece in red.

I can assure you that Verizon will likely not be refurbishing this device. Returns to HTC for Refurbishment, until about probably 6+ months then Verizon gets tech tools and guides to train personnel on disassembly and reassembly.
I used to be a technician at Sprint and this device does not open easily at all. Not compared to the DNA or 8x

Ranger093 said:
I can assure you that Verizon will likely not be refurbishing this device. Returns to HTC for Refurbishment, until about probably 6+ months then Verizon gets tech tools and guides to train personnel on disassembly and reassembly.
I used to be a technician at Sprint and this device does not open easily at all. Not compared to the DNA or 8x
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so basically if you get a refurb after 6+ months, your probably getting a ****ty one?
and before that, it will be HTC that does the refurbishments?
that is reassuring as far as refurbs go, for the firsrt 5-6 months, but after that.

andybones said:
You couldn't pay me to open up my htc one..
his attitude towards the phone is my exact reasoning for concern for Refurbishment phones.
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As soon as I saw the razorblade come out ಠ_ಠ.

Tarpit_Carnivore said:
As soon as I saw the razorblade come out ಠ_ಠ.
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lol for real and idk if that dude has a plethora of htc one phones, or just doesn't care about the one he was working on, but the way it sounded it was his phone, but he just didn't care. oh i burned it, f*** it, lool
I would do this and make mine black if it wasn't so hard to take the damn thing apart.
to the OP, God Speed man.

Tarpit_Carnivore said:
As soon as I saw the razorblade come out ಠ_ಠ.
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I was just waiting for his hand to slip or for him to grab the razor blade too hard. Now that would be a whole different kinda video.

Are you sure all the screw holes on the red plate will be the same for the Verizon variant?
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So, I bought the red case, it came in on Friday afternoon and I was about to get started. Then, I noticed that the black rubber was just a painted line that was rubbing off. WTF? Looks like I saved myself a lot of time and effort on this one.

T-a mobile gives me a hard time....

The first time I had the LG G3 I went to return it for an exchange at the last day (my 14th) day. As a result I got into an argument with the sales representative about the display. I told her that the digitizer is visible on mine and it bugs the crap out of me, and so I wanted to excersize my right for an exchange for another G3. Then she started spewing nonsense and saying things like "Well you can't really see it, so it's not a big deal", etc. Well it is a pretty big deal if you buy a $600 product.
We ended up exchanging the phone 2 times straight that day. The second G3 I got had an extremely visible digitizer and the screen had a bad yellow tint. The third G3 was the last they will give me and they made it very clear to me that no matter what it is they won't exchange it. Guess what? It still has a more visible digitizer than my original one and the color temperature was still allot warmer. My whites look...yellowish.
I'm sorry for the rant, but why would those employees give me such a hard time trying to exchange a product? Its rediculus. Now I'm stuck with one worse than the original when it comes to the screen...

Funny never ever ever had a problem returning a phone with in the 14 days
also they will do that if you returned it a time or 2 already it cost the store money each time you do and exchange
also if your a PITA customer lol they will give you a hard time just for the fun of it

It cost the store money end of the day its business

Yeah and I believe their personal statistics (or the store's) are marred due to returns and exchanges.

helikido said:
The first time I had the LG G3 I went to return it for an exchange at the last day (my 14th) day. As a result I got into an argument with the sales representative about the display. I told her that the digitizer is visible on mine and it bugs the crap out of me, and so I wanted to excersize my right for an exchange for another G3. Then she started spewing nonsense and saying things like "Well you can't really see it, so it's not a big deal", etc. Well it is a pretty big deal if you buy a $600 product.
We ended up exchanging the phone 2 times straight that day. The second G3 I got had an extremely visible digitizer and the screen had a bad yellow tint. The third G3 was the last they will give me and they made it very clear to me that no matter what it is they won't exchange it. Guess what? It still has a more visible digitizer than my original one and the color temperature was still allot warmer. My whites look...yellowish.
I'm sorry for the rant, but why would those employees give me such a hard time trying to exchange a product? Its rediculus. Now I'm stuck with one worse than the original when it comes to the screen...
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I've seen you post about this type of thing in a couple of different places. I think you're being too picky. I think it's very unlikely 3 G3s in a row had problems.

bigkevbosky said:
I've seen you post about this type of thing in a couple of different places. I think you're being too picky. I think it's very unlikely 3 G3s in a row had problems.
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The first one had a minimal visible digitizer with a nice toned display. But it had backlight bleeds on the edge. The second one was just completely washed out with an extremely visible digitizer that it was just exchanged on the spot. The third one I had no choice but to keep, but the digitizer was not as visible and the display still had a yellow tint compared to the original.
If you ask me for $600 I have all the right to exchange the phones all the way until I final have a good one without any physical flaws.

Didn't you return your G3 for dust too? How many have you tried? Gosh you really are trying to break the record of some guy on G+ returning like 10 different G3's at T-Mobile and AT&T. Then he gets mad at T-Mobile for them having to mail him a check even though he paid cash. I think he did that twice. lmao Don't tell that's you? lol

This is more lg's problem. Perhaps you should take it up with them instead of the middle man I bet you would actually get somewhere.

sweets55 said:
Didn't you return your G3 for dust too? How many have you tried? Gosh you really are trying to break the record of some guy on G+ returning like 10 different G3's at T-Mobile and AT&T. Then he gets mad at T-Mobile for them having to mail him a check even though he paid cash. I think he did that twice. lmao Don't tell that's you? lol
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That was the first one. The second one was exchanged again on the spot for an obvious faulty display.
ThePagel said:
This is more lg's problem. Perhaps you should take it up with them instead of the middle man I bet you would actually get somewhere.
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What are my chances of actually getting a good phone with LG vs T-mobile?

I hate the fact that all the gray colors on my G3 have a yellow tint to them now. Man this kinda blows. Even with I use trickster mod.

helikido said:
That was the first one. The second one was exchanged again on the spot for an obvious faulty display.
What are my chances of actually getting a good phone with LG vs T-mobile?
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If you tell them what happend at the tmobile store, complain politely and ask them to make sure its good before they send it I bet its a for sure thing

helikido said:
The first time I had the LG G3 I went to return it for an exchange at the last day (my 14th) day. As a result I got into an argument with the sales representative about the display. I told her that the digitizer is visible on mine and it bugs the crap out of me, and so I wanted to excersize my right for an exchange for another G3. Then she started spewing nonsense and saying things like "Well you can't really see it, so it's not a big deal", etc. Well it is a pretty big deal if you buy a $600 product.
We ended up exchanging the phone 2 times straight that day. The second G3 I got had an extremely visible digitizer and the screen had a bad yellow tint. The third G3 was the last they will give me and they made it very clear to me that no matter what it is they won't exchange it. Guess what? It still has a more visible digitizer than my original one and the color temperature was still allot warmer. My whites look...yellowish.
I'm sorry for the rant, but why would those employees give me such a hard time trying to exchange a product? Its rediculus. Now I'm stuck with one worse than the original when it comes to the screen...
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I can consider myself very lucky for owning a flawless unit then.

I know if you came in to my store and tried that you would have gotten turned way and told to take it up with LG since we would have allowed you 1 exchange NOT 2 or 3

ThePagel said:
If you tell them what happend at the tmobile store, complain politely and ask them to make sure its good before they send it I bet its a for sure thing
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Think you have to send your phone to LG so you would need another phone. I don't think it's a quick process and I doubt they look over the phone with a magnifying glass to see the slightest thing wrong if it's even wrong. I guess worth a shot. If it was me I would've just returned it and got a different phone or wait a month and try again.

sweets55 said:
Think you have to send your phone to LG so you would need another phone. I don't think it's a quick process and I doubt they look over the phone with a magnifying glass to see the slightest thing wrong. I guess worth a shot. If it was me I would've just returned it and got a different phone or wait a month and try again.
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Yeah it will take a week at the minimum to get the new phone more likely 2 - 3. I would have done the same thing as you and got the m8 or s5. Luckily I got a great phone and didn't need to.

sweets55 said:
Didn't you return your G3 for dust too? How many have you tried? Gosh you really are trying to break the record of some guy on G+ returning like 10 different G3's at T-Mobile and AT&T. Then he gets mad at T-Mobile for them having to mail him a check even though he paid cash. I think he did that twice. lmao Don't tell that's you? lol
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Do you have the G+ link for that?
Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

This thread reminds me about being on MacRumors and people talking about how they had returned like seven iPads until they got one that didn't have one of the several ridiculously impossible to notice defects.
This is why I'm glad I don't work retail any more. It made me wish there was a policy to be allowed to slap customers for being absurd.

CheesyNutz said:
I know if you came in to my store and tried that you would have gotten turned way and told to take it up with LG since we would have allowed you 1 exchange NOT 2 or 3
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I know if you tried to do that with me I would be sure to put you in a very very tough position when it comes to your job. If you sell me something, it better be as damn good as it was advertised. If you exchange a faulty product, it better be better and not WORSE than the one I just had.
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If you tell them what happend at the tmobile store, complain politely and ask them to make sure its good before they send it I bet its a for sure thing
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Yes but the problem is that with LG I have to send in the phone. That's something I cannot afford to do since I have no spare phones. Can they not just send me a unit and then I ship mine back?
SomeGuyDude said:
This thread reminds me about being on MacRumors and people talking about how they had returned like seven iPads until they got one that didn't have one of the several ridiculously impossible to notice defects.
This is why I'm glad I don't work retail any more. It made me wish there was a policy to be allowed to slap customers for being absurd.
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If you can not see the flaw, you must be blind. Sorry. But the display models and the first G3 I had where all cooler than the one I currently have...by a good margin. So no, its a very VISIBLE flaw. Well I wouldn't call it a flaw, but out of the ordinary characteristic.

helikido said:
I know if you tried to do that with me I would be sure to put you in a very very tough position when it comes to your job. If you sell me something, it better be as damn good as it was advertised. If you exchange a faulty product, it better be better and not WORSE than the one I just had.
Yes but the problem is that with LG I have to send in the phone. That's something I cannot afford to do since I have no spare phones. Can they not just send me a unit and then I ship mine back?
If you can not see the flaw, you must be blind. Sorry. But the display models and the first G3 I had where all cooler than the one I currently have...by a good margin. So no, its a very VISIBLE flaw. Well I wouldn't call it a flaw, but out of the ordinary characteristic.
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Indecision on the definition of flaw? I think you need a new hobby...this phone thing doesn't seem to be working out for you.
Sent from my amazing LGG3!

wideasleep1 said:
Indecision on the definition of flaw? I think you need a new hobby...this phone thing doesn't seem to be working out for you.
Sent from my amazing LGG3!
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Got plenty of hobbies, and this phone thing worked out with me for 5 years just fine.

Received my phone today: very slight cosmetic damage

Hi everyone,
Yes I do mean very slighly but I can be very OCD about such things. I'd value an opinion on whether this is acceptable or not so. Please see links
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all I can say is that I did not had those
however, they don't look that bad

yeah, i prob would not be happy, u never know what could be wrong them with the phone or if it was just done during production, i would try to do an exchange before the return period is over

Bradl79 said:
yeah, i prob would not be happy, u never know what could be wrong them with the phone or if it was just done during production, i would try to do an exchange before the return period is over
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Yeah I hear you. 99% of the people wouldn't be bothered or wouldn't notice. Don't you just hate when this happens . I'll give it a day or two and then decide.

Jeroen1000 said:
Yeah I hear you. 99% of the people wouldn't be bothered or wouldn't notice. Don't you just hate when this happens . I'll give it a day or two and then decide.
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Complain. They might offer some money back or a free case or something. Lay it on thick

Free case aint enough. Tell them 20% off, as device looks like used/refurbished. If they don't agree, return it and order again.
Device that is new, should look as new, not used.

Those pics are terrible but I don't need them, have a similar problem. My antenna lines aren't perfect, there are some micro gouges and what looks like wear. Same on my OnePlus 5 that I returned. Mine is minor and I'll live with it but yours might be worse, can't see.
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droidhd said:
Free case aint enough. Tell them 20% off, as device looks like used/refurbished. If they don't agree, return it and order again.
Device that is new, should look as new, not used.
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20%, you are a dreamer lol.

Getting mine delivered tomorrow, I really hope I don't run into issues like this one

I created a complaint so let's see what happens. I probably could live with it so I'd take some form of compensation over having to wait for a new unit. But it appears to be sold out...So replacing it might take a long time:crying:

droidhd said:
Free case aint enough. Tell them 20% off, as device looks like used/refurbished. If they don't agree, return it and order again.
Device that is new, should look as new, not used.
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A used/refurbished 5t xD
My sides are gone

Got my replacement...guess what, now it is way worse. I hope they'll replace it again without much fuzz.

Jeroen1000 said:
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Yes I do mean very slighly but I can be very OCD about such things. I'd value an opinion on whether this is acceptable or not so. Please see links
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Did u have to send urs in first then they replaced it or did they send u one and sent urs back

Bradl79 said:
Did u have to send urs in first then they replaced it or did they send u one and sent urs back
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They inspect the one you send in first. If it is free of damage/passes inspection they will send out the replacement.

Jeroen1000 said:
Got my replacement...guess what, now it is way worse. I hope they'll replace it again without much fuzz.
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You are acting ridiculous over something that has no effect whatsoever on the performance of the phone, will not be seen by anyone with a case on and will be indistinguishable from actual wear and tear after a few days of ownership. It's $500-600 phone not a million dollar piece of artwork.
I too have OCD about certain things but this is just absurd.
Edit: Now if there was a real defect like the screen was damaged, the camera lens cover was scratched or something along those lines I would totally understand where you are coming from. But for something as trivial as a smudge I think you are just making a mountain out of a molehill and missing out on time you could be enjoying an awesome performing device. If you look hard enough, you'll always be able to find something wrong with everything. Im sure OnePlus wont keep sending you replacement after replacement so you'll either have to live with the smudges you will find on every device or they will refund your money, in which case you just gave them a nice interest free loan for over a month.

I'm with the OP, the marks may be very small but he paid for a new device. Mine was unmarked, theirs should be too. It's weird.

razer or op5t?

Usually, I don't really like topics like this.... But now I need your opinions, guys!
Accidentally smashed my op3 and now I need a new toy.
Already watched a massive amount of videos on YouTube about the razer phone. Love the style, the shape.
However, I'm still can't decide.
Razer or OP5T?
I'm waiting for your thoughts, opinions, etc.
Thanks in advance.

i had the razer phone i sent it back less than a week, dont get me wrong love the retro metallic build and speakers. but the software seems unfinished and non optimised. the screen as fluid as it is @ 120hz just cannot compare to the OP5T in vibrancy and the screen on the RP is just shockingly too dim (even the Nokia phones have brighter LCD Screens). the op5t just feels more polished and its software more snappy. I really REALLY REALLYYYYYYY wanted to like the Razer Phone, but OP5T just seems to me a much better overall package having used both. This is totes subjective of course ...

Gave away my s8 plus and got the Razer. Love it exept for the camera. Se what they will to when oreo hits. But If I where you i would go with 5T.

QV1sten there was another Camera update this morning

iStasis said:
QV1sten there was another Camera update this morning
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Yepp and still isn't any good in my opinion, sadly.

I've got both infront of me currently, struggling to decide.
Unfortunately the 5T is giving me a bit of trouble recently.
The others are right, the RP screen is absolutely darker than others, roughly 60% of the 5T brightness and colours can seem a little washed out due to AMOLED vs LCD.
Battery life isn't anything to shout about either really and don't get me started on the camera! jeez.
Lastly, and this might come as a shock, the 5T puts out more decibels than the razer phone, the last update really undermined the volume and now my 5T has about 15% more volume, not clearer of course, but yeh.
All that being said, the Razer phone is built well, and the 120hz screen is nice! I'm trying to justify the brightness by the fact that Razer are wanting to reduce burn in and prolong the life expectancy of the phone, I guess it's not too bad really.
I'm gonna keep using the razer and sell the one I like the least after a week. Don't get me started on the camera or should I say "potato".

The one thing I don't like about the display is that it is "sunken". Nowadays most displays the glass and the picture are together, like you're literally touching the pictures. But on the Razer, you can tell that the picture is below the glass, which is weird as I haven't seen that in phones in the past 3 to 4 years at least. Not sure if I explained that correctly, but that's a con to me. I think mkhbd mentioned this in the preview video

I'm thinking about buy the phone to replace my LG V10 battery life pretty much bad on it and LG pressing trying me to buy a battery for it but they not selling it them from the website

Jonnyn93 said:
All that being said, the Razer phone is built well, and the 120hz screen is nice! I'm trying to justify the brightness by the fact that Razer are wanting to reduce burn in and prolong the life expectancy of the phone, I guess it's not too bad really.
I'm gonna keep using the razer and sell the one I like the least after a week. Don't get me started on the camera or should I say "potato".
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LCD screens don't burn in. That's pretty much an AMOLED trait. The low brightness is a consequence of the 120hz technology.

after all the issues i've had with the Razer from the moment it went live to buy and now loosing a SE for a standard edition (currently using a wileyfox while the RMA process is happening) I considering selling mine on to get a different phone too.
The OP5T was on my radar as a replacement but if i'm honest I don't trust the company anymore, after the OP5 (which I had before the Razer) and it's hardware issues and OP halting the manufacturing of it so quickly so no one could buy anymore screamed of a new one with the hardware issues fixed and on top of that then there's the personal info they were taking it was the final straw and I sold the OP, of course I cuold have flashed a custom ROM onto it but i'm kinda done with that whole thing these days myself.
if you're set on the two devices it's a hard call. if you don't mind the OP personal info thing and never got burnt from them before (grant that little bit there is completely personal to me) then go for the OP5T, it'll have fantastic custom ROM support too if that's something you want.
my personal other option was the Essential Phone which tbh I think i'll get instead.

Roxas598 said:
after all the issues i've had with the Razer from the moment it went live to buy and now loosing a SE for a standard edition (currently using a wileyfox while the RMA process is happening) I considering selling mine on to get a different phone too.
The OP5T was on my radar as a replacement but if i'm honest I don't trust the company anymore, after the OP5 (which I had before the Razer) and it's hardware issues and OP halting the manufacturing of it so quickly so no one could buy anymore screamed of a new one with the hardware issues fixed and on top of that then there's the personal info they were taking it was the final straw and I sold the OP, of course I cuold have flashed a custom ROM onto it but i'm kinda done with that whole thing these days myself.
if you're set on the two devices it's a hard call. if you don't mind the OP personal info thing and never got burnt from them before (grant that little bit there is completely personal to me) then go for the OP5T, it'll have fantastic custom ROM support too if that's something you want.
my personal other option was the Essential Phone which tbh I think i'll get instead.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion. I was thinking about the Essential phone, too.... But impossible to buy it in the EU(legally)
It is now 99%, that I go for the op5t.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion. I was thinking about the Essential phone, too.... But impossible to buy it in the EU(legally)
It is now 99%, that I go for the op5t.
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you can get amazon US to ship you one which is what my plans are when I get the Razer phone back and sell it on, but yeah overall as of right now the OP5T has the better experience (other than sound quality of course)

Roxas598 said:
you can get amazon US to ship you one which is what my plans are when I get the Razer phone back and sell it on, but yeah overall as of right now the OP5T has the better experience (other than sound quality of course)
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Wow, just checked it and realised, I could order it from the US.
To be honest the phone looks amazing, however there is no community (especially here at xda) at all.

hunhool said:
Wow, just checked it and realised, I could order it from the US.
To be honest the phone looks amazing, however there is no community (especially here at xda) at all.
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You're right the development portion of the device is lacking on here but the company do bi weekly ask me anything on the subreddit so they're very vocal. If I'm honest the lack of support imo is because of the A/B partition (something the razer has) and the lack of sales due to it costing so much on release. Now it's went down and essential are implementing project treble it might get better via custom ROMs
But again that's not very important to me anymore.

greyhulk said:
LCD screens don't burn in. That's pretty much an AMOLED trait. The low brightness is a consequence of the 120hz technology.
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Actually, LCD can burn in. It's just far more rare.

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Actually, LCD can burn in. It's just far more rare.
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Actually, I never claimed it COULDN'T. I said it's more of an AMOLED issue. I have yet to see an LCD burn in.
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Actually, I never claimed it COULDN'T. I said it's more of an AMOLED issue. I have yet to see an LCD burn in.
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Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. I figured "don't" meant they never do.

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Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. I figured "don't" meant they never do.
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I could have stated it better. Sorry if I came off as snarky.
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I could have stated it better. Sorry if I came off as snarky.
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No problem. I think we can all agree that the Razer's screen is inferior to the 5T's screen in every way except the refresh rate.

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No problem. I think we can all agree that the Razer's screen is inferior to the 5T's screen in every way except the refresh rate.
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I couldn't agree more. Yet every time I go into a store and play with one of the new iPads, I nearly pull the trigger for that 120hz display. I think if it was at least brighter, there would be no hesitation.
No way I can view 400 nits outside in a Texas summer, though.
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