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I want to buy a Tab Pro 8.4 to replace my Note 8.0 and keep reading conflicting information. My question is simple.. can the 8.4 make and receive calls?
VeEuzUKY said:
I want to buy a Tab Pro 8.4 to replace my Note 8.0 and keep reading conflicting information. My question is simple.. can the 8.4 make and receive calls?
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not mine, but mine's only WIFI version, dunno if there's a 4G/LTE ver.
TCTheGreat said:
not mine, but mine's only WIFI version, dunno if there's a 4G/LTE ver.
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There is an LTE, it's the SM-T325. And acording to official pictures it clearly has an earpiece loudspeaker at the Top. However, in some articles I keep reading does not make GSM calls while on others, yes. The LTE is SnapDragon 800, not Samsung Exynos.. so I am assuming should absolutely make calls. Here is picture..
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VeEuzUKY said:
There is an LTE, it's the SM-T325. And acording to official pictures it clearly has an earpiece loudspeaker at the Top. However, in some articles I keep reading does not make GSM calls while on others, yes. The LTE is SnapDragon 800, not Samsung Exynos.. so I am assuming should absolutely make calls. Here is picture..
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I have the 4G/LTE SM-T325 and I can confirm that it makes voice calls. I previously owned the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100, which also made voice calls. I just swapped the SIM card and everything was good to go. I live in the US and I am on AT&T's GSM network.
Now if someone will just create some ROMs for it....
Zagzagel said:
I have the 4G/LTE SM-T325 and I can confirm that it makes voice calls. The previously owned the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100, which also made voice calls. I just swapped the SIM card and everything was good to go. I live in the US and I am on AT&T's GSM network.
Now if someone will just create some ROMs for it....
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Ohhhhhhh cool, thanks for the confirmation. Like you I also have the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100.
Keep in mind that the new 8.4 was recently released. ROMs will be available later as more users have it. But now that it can be rooted I can buy one.. I think there is also a working recovery for it.. right?.. these are the 2 most important tools. With these you can delete all the garbage and bloatware you want and modify system and framework apks (.. if U know how to do it). Later, there will be ROMs for it.. give it a little time
Just to confirm with you, the 8.4 is leaps better and faster then the 8.0, right?
VeEuzUKY said:
Just to confirm with you, the 8.4 is leaps better and faster then the 8.0, right?
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Qualitatively it seems faster, but I think a more optimized ROM/kernel will provide even more improvement over the GT-N5100. I was using the X-Note ROM on my GT-N5100, and I was very happy with the speed. The SM-T325 seems a little faster, but not by leaps and bounds. I am currently using Smart Launcher on the device. The biggest improvement is in the display, and it seems like I am getting better battery life than I did with the GT-N5100 after a few charging cycles. Attached is a screenshot of my battery usage from today. I spent a lot of time on Reddit!
Edit: I rooted the tablet using Chainfire's method, and my apps are able to write to the SD card using SDFix. I had no problem rooting the device, but I couldn't get the TWRP 2.7 recovery to install properly. I don't know if there is a problem with TWRP compatibility on the SM-T325 vs. the SM-T320, but for some reason I couldn't get it to work. I didn't try ClockworkMod. Since there aren't really any custom mods/ROMs I can install right now, I just reflashed the stock recovery and decided to wait.
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Qualitatively it seems faster, but I think a more optimized ROM/kernel will provide even more improvement over the GT-N5100. I was using the X-Note ROM on my GT-N5100, and I was very happy with the speed. The SM-T325 seems a little faster, but not by leaps and bounds. I am currently using and rt Launcher on the device. The biggest improvement is in the display, and it seems like I am getting better battery life than I did with the GT-N5100 after a few charging cycles. Attached is a screenshot of my battery usage from today. I spent a lot of time on Reddit!
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Thanks for the feedback. You are right, the speed improvements from device to device are in fact minimal.. it's all about the software. And 4 cores is useless.. not to mention 8 or 16 cores and I hear some Chinese phones will feature to be released soon.. these people are all out of their minds.. 2 cores running faster will give you a much faster UI experience than 4 cores or more running slower, even if the official benchmarks say otherwise. User experience and benchmarks (most of which the manufacturers fake) are different things. Samsung software and launchers are deplorable.. an aftermarket launcher and a good cleanup of all the useless system garbage will make the hardware run twice as fast and the battery last substantially longer.. my opinion is Android OS becomes bigger, fatter, slower and more complex and less "open source" with each release and the hardware can't keep up with the baggage. KitKat is bigger than Windows XP ever was and some of the apps also bigger and use more RAM than Windows apps. On a phone?? Do I find this normal? No. For me, my Galaxy Tab 7 (the original, and I still have it) running 2.3 Gingerbread, was the Golden age of Android.. from Honeycomb forward is all downhill..
The fact that my phone's CPU has more cores than my laptop, needs more RAM than my laptop and uses an OS bigger than my laptop, tells me clearly we are going the wrong way with this. I am already over Android as I have been with Windows for years. It's time something new comes up again from scratch.. simple, lean, free, open and fast.
hi. im really interested in this tablet. i want the LTE version. untill now i thought there are two versions of this tablet
WIFI only with Exynos octacore chip
LTE+WIFI version with snapdragon 800 chip
pls check the full specifications.
http://homeshopping.pk/products/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-S-84-LTE-16GB-Bronze-Price-In-Pakistan.html
now. here where i live, on a local store, they have WIFI only version with EXYNOS version... WTF??? right?
i need the snapdragon version. i have had 3 Exynos phones in the past, Note 2, S3, and NOte 3 and all overheated like ****!
dont need Exynos no more! either i will get the snapdragon one or just let go of idea of buying this tablet. pls check here.
also, can some one here link me amazon or newegg link to LTE snapdragon 800 version of this tablet?
Your observed overheating for sure has NOTHING to do with Exynos.
For the Snapdragon version there are several threads around...
pibach said:
Your observed overheating for sure has NOTHING to do with Exynos.
For the Snapdragon version there are several threads around...
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well, about the overheating of device with exynos, its true. i have even observed it on one of my friend's Note 3 exynos version. its really unacceptable for samsung not to fix this issue with their in house chip, considering huge R&D budget. so i have decided never to get exynos device at all!
i will get the snapdragon version if its available. if not, then i will get iPad Air or Air 2
can u link me to Snapdragon from newegg or amazon? i cant find.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/snapdragon-t2857038
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/lte-model-snapdragon-t2842537
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/snapdragon-exynos-version-t2841453
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/snapdragon-t2857038
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/lte-model-snapdragon-t2842537
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/snapdragon-exynos-version-t2841453
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thank u a lot bro but i didn't mean links here on xda.
i need link to NEWEGG OR AMAZON where they are selling the SNAPDRAGON 800 VERSION, from WHERE I CAN BUY!
Just go ahead and ask in these threads. Probably you can get Snapdragon version only by contract (I don't know, since I have Exynos version).
both come with exynos chip. wifi or the lte version. both. if you see the device code SM-T700 or SM-T705. it is exynos.
the only snapdragon version are for US Variant which i thin cant work on other place because we use a different band.
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well, about the overheating of device with exynos, its true. i have even observed it on one of my friend's Note 3 exynos version. its really unacceptable for samsung not to fix this issue with their in house chip, considering huge R&D budget. so i have decided never to get exynos device at all!
i will get the snapdragon version if its available. if not, then i will get iPad Air or Air 2
can u link me to Snapdragon from newegg or amazon? i cant find.
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Well, my Galaxy Tab S 8.4 (WiFi Only) is the only Exynos based device I have had, so I have no way to compare it to earlier versions. I can say that mine never over heats. Of course I have the book cover on it. But I've never noticed it being hot or even warm and it isn't showing any signs of instability.
Snapdragon has much better development
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Well, my Galaxy Tab S 8.4 (WiFi Only) is the only Exynos based device I have had, so I have no way to compare it to earlier versions. I can say that mine never over heats. Of course I have the book cover on it. But I've never noticed it being hot or even warm and it isn't showing any signs of instability.
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i have never used any kind of cover for any of my phones or tablets. im of the idea that the devices are meant to be used the way they are. i like them naked
i know Exynos gets hot, cause this same chip is used in Pro series and i have used that for like 10 minutes of Asphalt and it DID get quite warm!
and im pretty sure, cause of such a high res display, this would too. mainly because where i live its quite hot. u know, its 25th november today and time right now is 11:30pm night, and guess whats the temperature here, its 25C!
in summer it get as high as 46C-49C. even air conditioning does not help some times!
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^this, also lag is very limited in Touchwiz. thats the only reason i left samsung.
i personally like FLASHY and vibrant UI of samsung, but i HATE LAG!
i switched to LG . infact, i first got a monitor from LG and i was LITERALLY ASTONISHED by its panel! thats why i got LG G2! and i was REALLY AMAZED by their optimus UI and G2 UI and boy, G2 is a BATTERY CHAMP! i loved that device so much.
and there was NO lag at all! i mean NONE! even when LG's UI is almost same as TOUCHWIZ.
i guess, samsung puts some special ingredient touchwiz to make it lag like hell, on SNAPDRAGON 805 chip (NOTE 4)
edan1979 said:
both come with exynos chip. wifi or the lte version. both. if you see the device code SM-T700 or SM-T705. it is exynos.
yeah u are right. i have checked it thorougly and i have found that only 2 of US variants offer 800 one. one of them is Sprint. its the last alphabet that is different. like T705V and T705C also, T805V and T805C
the only snapdragon version are for US Variant which i thin cant work on other place because we use a different band.
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aami.aami said:
...i know Exynos gets hot, cause this same chip is used in Pro series.
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Mine does not get hot. Also, Exynos is not the only SOC used in the pro series. The pro 8.4 uses a Snapdragon 800
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Mine does not get hot. Also, Exynos is not the only SOC used in the pro series. The pro 8.4 uses a Snapdragon 800
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see this
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn....4-cant-take-the-heat-owner-complains_id58305
I'm a T-Mobile user & have been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but am seeing some really concerning chatter about its performance, battery life, & T-Mobile signal quality, and am now wondering if I should just go with an S8. Snapdragon is a non-option for me (having *proper* backup - aka Titanium - is IMO a bare essential). Thus I'm only comparing Exynos S8 to Exynos S9.
1) The Anandtech review everyone's been talking about shows the Exynos S9's battery life / performance as even worse than last year's Exynos S8. I realize these are synthetic tests, but so far they're the best direct comparison I've got, & I would assume they'd be at least somewhat representative of real-world behavior (though they may i.e. inflate the difference). And *if* these results are indeed representative of what to expect, it feels a bit silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a downgrade in battery life. I've read through a number of threads & seen a pile of individual numbers, but if anyone has some specific experience with a 1:1 Exynos S8 to Exynos S9 comparison, it could be very enlightening. Most of the comparisons I've found on here seem to be Snapdragon vs Exynos.
2) I've also seen some threads that say Exynos S9 is getting really bad speed on T-Mobile (i.e. here). The same user later said in another thread (here) that they were somehow able to get it working better, but that it still has noticeably worse signal than Snapdragon S9. Again, I'd be interested to know if Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 show similar behavior.
3) Finally, as I live in a weak signal area, T-Mobile WiFi calling is essential. From what I understand it isn't yet possible on Exynos S9, but based on past trends it's pretty safe to assume that at some point someone will figure out how to enable it. It looks like it's currently working on Exynos S8 (reference). Is this accurate?
For the sake of longevity & the centered fingerprint reader I'd obviously prefer the S9...but not *if* it comes at the cost of worse battery, worse T-Mobile signal, & no T-Mobile WiFi calling. The *IF* is what I'd really like to try & determine before pulling the trigger on one or the other
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I'm a T-Mobile user & have been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but am seeing some really concerning chatter about its performance, battery life, & T-Mobile signal quality, and am now wondering if I should just go with an S8. Snapdragon is a non-option for me (having *proper* backup - aka Titanium - is IMO a bare essential). Thus I'm only comparing Exynos S8 to Exynos S9.
1) The Anandtech review everyone's been talking about shows the Exynos S9's battery life / performance as even worse than last year's Exynos S8. I realize these are synthetic tests, but so far they're the best direct comparison I've got, & I would assume they'd be at least somewhat representative of real-world behavior (though they may i.e. inflate the difference). And *if* these results are indeed representative of what to expect, it feels a bit silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a downgrade in battery life. I've read through a number of threads & seen a pile of individual numbers, but if anyone has some specific experience with a 1:1 Exynos S8 to Exynos S9 comparison, it could be very enlightening. Most of the comparisons I've found on here seem to be Snapdragon vs Exynos.
2) I've also seen some threads that say Exynos S9 is getting really bad speed on T-Mobile (i.e. here). The same user later said in another thread (here) that they were somehow able to get it working better, but that it still has noticeably worse signal than Snapdragon S9. Again, I'd be interested to know if Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 show similar behavior.
3) Finally, as I live in a weak signal area, T-Mobile WiFi calling is essential. From what I understand it isn't yet possible on Exynos S9, but based on past trends it's pretty safe to assume that at some point someone will figure out how to enable it. It looks like it's currently working on Exynos S8 (reference). Is this accurate?
For the sake of longevity & the centered fingerprint reader I'd obviously prefer the S9...but not *if* it comes at the cost of worse battery, worse T-Mobile signal, & no T-Mobile WiFi calling. The *IF* is what I'd really like to try & determine before pulling the trigger on one or the other
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Off topic- since 2007 I have been flashing and modding my phone's, as they were not even near performance I could get out of. I had the S7 Exynos , than went with S8 and now S9 Snapdeagon. As much as I miss the flashing , the over all performance, the fact it works great out of box, no crap installed by TMO, and Sammi actually doing a decent job, MAYBE it is not a big thing getting the TMO phone.. I'm not sorry I did, and I am a flashoholic..
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As much as I miss the flashing, the over all performance, the fact it works great out of box, no crap installed by TMO, and Sammi actually doing a decent job, MAYBE it is not a big thing getting the TMO phone..
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I'd actually really love to go that route too - but until Android offers a proper "complete" backup, I just don't see how a non-rootable phone is an option. I switched from iPhone not too long ago, bought my first Android phone which had a locked bootloader, & was absolutely baffled by the inability to do a complete device backup. "Complete" as in including all the data of every app, full OS customization, etc - to the point where you can just restore to a new phone & have it completely 100% setup where you left off. I'm not at all a fan of iPhone, but full device backup is something it's offered since...forever...and apparently on Android, the only way to get this is through Titanium. So after spending a few days trying every non-root backup solution I could find, I eventually gave in & returned the phone to be replaced with one that could be rooted.
Beyond full backup, I really don't have interest in flashing/customizing/etc. But until that's resolved natively, it's unfortuately rootable-only for me.
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I'd actually really love to go that route too - but until Android offers a proper "complete" backup, I just don't see how a non-rootable phone is an option. I switched from iPhone not too long ago, bought my first Android phone which had a locked bootloader, & was absolutely baffled by the inability to do a complete device backup. "Complete" as in including all the data of every app, full OS customization, etc - to the point where you can just restore to a new phone & have it completely 100% setup where you left off. I'm not at all a fan of iPhone, but full device backup is something it's offered since...forever...and apparently on Android, the only way to get this is through Titanium. So after spending a few days trying every non-root backup solution I could find, I eventually gave in & returned the phone to be replaced with one that could be rooted.
Beyond full backup, I really don't have interest in flashing/customizing/etc. But until that's resolved natively, it's unfortuately rootable-only for me.
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Well, while a valid point, I have restored only once in 3 years.. and it was not perfect , yet was not a complete disaster. It took less than 40 minutes . I didn't need to restore once on the TMO phones, simply because I did not flash and made my phone unstable. Yes, I know what you mean regarding iPhones. I have 2 more lines and they are used by apple fans in the house. Yet again- iPhone 8 is a bit different than the 6 or 7 were .. things change , and actually improve. If in 2007 I had to actually wtite code (use kitchen) , mod and flash, now days I don't see a need. Did I get old? Maybe, and again, I don't answer your fundamental question , but you may get an unlocked S9 (Snapdragon), root it in few months when available, and enjoy root and TMO CSC.. I can tell you , if I have to choose between battery life and backup, then battery life it is.. I can live with partial backup, I can't with lousy battery life. But- this is me and it may not be good enough for you. Just a different point of view of an old guy..
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I have restored only once in 3 years.. and it was not perfect , yet was not a complete disaster. It took less than 40 minutes . I didn't need to restore once on the TMO phones, simply because I did not flash and made my phone unstable.
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The issue isn't about needing to restore because it's unstable - it's about having a backup of your personal data. Stable or not, phones can get lost/stolen, and will eventually be replaced regardless. Samsung's SmartSync "solution" backs up no app data whatsoever, and other 3rd party non-root backup apps like Helium are spotty at best (for instance, they don't backup any chat history from WhatsApp, Viber, or Line). Currently, my message history in every app I use goes back to the start of when I got my first ever iPhone, many many years ago. Switching to non-root Android would mean nuking it every time I get a new phone. While it truly baffles me that there's no proper/official Android solution & that so many people seem fine with this, in my case, I feel like Titanium is the one & only option (for being able to use Android without risking large chunks of my personal data).
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you may get an unlocked S9 (Snapdragon), root it in few months when available, and enjoy root and TMO CSC.. I can tell you , if I have to choose between battery life and backup, then battery life it is..
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Actually, the previous/first non-rootable Android I mentioned getting was a Snapdragon S7. It technically *was* rootable, but its method of rooting broke the ability to use Secure Startup, in addition to introducing noticeable issues with lag & battery drain. That's why I returned it. It seems like you're suggesting I wait until S9 Snapdragon is rootable as a solution for having root w/ stability+battery life...but my very reason for looking at Exynos in the first place is because the last time I tried rooting a Snapdragon it had pretty bad stability/battery life, & I was pointed in the direction of Exynos.
I was under the impression that an Exynos, due to being unlocked, should be *the* solution for rootable without negatively affecting its battery life...not the other way around.
I have an S8 exynos, I do not have wifi calling. the S8 is a great phone and I do not feel like I'm missing out by going to S9, however if there is a really good deal I would jump ship. The only thing I dont have on my S8 right now is the 960fps camera, otherwise dual stereo speaker and everything else is the same, speed is getting irrelevant up here, I felt the S7 edge was pretty damn fast too, but I gave my family both of those and bought an S8.
I have both Snapdragon and Exynos S9(plus versions). Exynos does not bottom out on T-mobile LTE like S8 Exynos did. I am not a dev but extracted WiFi calling related files from Snapdragon and tried changing the CSC to TMB and got VoLTE to work on Tmobile but I keep getting "com.android.phone has stopped working". I am either missing a setting or it is due to the new /omc partition Samsung introduced for CSCs.
Hopefully Tkkg1994 or someone takes interest into this to get this working. Another huge issue with Exynos is you cannot record any calls with call recording apps due to Samsung removing that feature. I haven't seen any rooted apps that enable call recording on Exynos yet.
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I have an S8 exynos, I do not have wifi calling.
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You mean you tried but were unable to get it working? Or you just didn't feel like you needed it, so couldn't offer input one way or the other (about its availability on S8)?
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the S8 is a great phone and I do not feel like I'm missing out by going to S9
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Right, but in my case I have neither, & am just trying to determine which would be best to go with. If there's no deterioration in performance/battery as the Anandtech article would indicate, I'd obviously prefer the S9 for longer longevity & the other improvements. But if it's actually worse...then...well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
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I have both Snapdragon and Exynos S9(plus versions). Exynos does not bottom out on T-mobile LTE like S8 Exynos did.
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What do you mean by 'bottom out'?
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Another huge issue with Exynos is you cannot record any calls with call recording apps due to Samsung removing that feature. I haven't seen any rooted apps that enable call recording on Exynos yet.
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Oh crap, that is a serious issue. Ugh, wtf. So you mean it's there in the Snapdragon but for some reason they killed it in the Exynos? Is this true of the S8 too, or just the S9?
metal450 said:
What do you mean by 'bottom out'?
Oh crap, that is a serious issue. Ugh, wtf. So you mean it's there in the Snapdragon but for some reason they killed it in the Exynos? Is this true of the S8 too, or just the S9?
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I meant to say the Exynos S8 has carrier aggregation issues with t-mobile and you'd get less LTE speed than snapdragon. My S9 Exynos runs a lot better on t-mobile LTE.
Yeah Samsung want to be the policing nanny that dictates how one should use their phone. They're going to push the new update to all of their phones including S8 to disable the use of recording apps. I can't believe they want to impose this on everyone despite call recording being legal in many places. For now it works with snapdragon but that may not be the case soon.
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My S9 Exynos runs a lot better on t-mobile LTE.
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Ahh - so just to be clear, you're saying that your S9 Exynos runs a lot better on T-Mobile than your S8 Exynos, right? If so, that definitely sounds like a +1 vote for S9 over the S8.
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Yeah Samsung want to be the policing nanny that dictates how one should use their phone. They're going to push the new update to all of their phones including S8 to disable the use of recording apps.
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Ughh...so now even Samsung is turning into Apple? :silly:
Still, if this is being done entirely via software update, it stands to reason that custom roms would not be affected, right? Which seems to just make the case for Exynos even stronger. Because *if* they do indeed disable this on all their phones, but only Exynos can support custom roms...that would mean that ultimately *only* Exynos would retain call-recording. No?
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Ahh - so just to be clear, you're saying that your S9 Exynos runs a lot better on T-Mobile than your S8 Exynos, right? If so, that definitely sounds like a +1 vote for S9 over the S8.
Ughh...so now even Samsung is turning into Apple? :silly:
Still, if this is being done entirely via software update, it stands to reason that custom roms would not be affected, right? Which seems to just make the case for Exynos even stronger. Because *if* they do indeed disable this on all their phones, but only Exynos can support custom roms...that would mean that ultimately *only* Exynos would retain call-recording. No?
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Yes S9 runs much better on T-mobile's LTE network.
Yep, they're surely turning into Apple of Android... I've bought every galaxy phone since the first but looks like it is time to look elsewhere soon if Samsung starts restricting user choices. Huawei P20 and One plus 6 may give 90% of what Samsung offers.
Actually the call recording apps do not yet work on custom ROMs either. I agree Exynos is safer bet as there's still some chance someone will get call recording working with root and possibly T-mobile wifi calling too...
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Actually the call recording apps do not yet work on custom ROMs either.
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Does that mean on custom roms for the S9 only, or does it apply to the S8 as well?
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Does that mean on custom roms for the S9 only, or does it apply to the S8 as well?
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Call recording apps work on S8 but if you're on Oreo then it will have intermittent issues due to Samsung limiting it in new updates.
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Call recording apps work on S8 but if you're on Oreo then it will have intermittent issues due to Samsung limiting it in new updates.
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Thanks for the confirm. I guess I should probably just disregard this as an S8 vs S9 criteria for now then, because if Samsung is breaking it in software they're likely to do so on both phones eventually - and if it's fixable in software it's likely the xda community will overcome it for both phones eventually too.
Still, the battery life thing is very disconcerting. People in this thread are continuing to post numbers like:
S9: Usage ~14 hours and 5 hours sot
S8: Usage ~20+ hours and 7+ hours sot
If true, that's a *very* big regression...
Personally, the battery life has been more or less the same for me if that helps.
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Personally, the battery life has been more or less the same for me if that helps.
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Hmm, that's good to know, thanks. I guess I'll hold off for at least a few more days & see if there's more of a consensus, as this Anandtech review that started the whole thing is still pretty recent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
Maybe have to go with snapdragon after all....
Nurmi_CEO said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
Maybe have to go with snapdragon after all....
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LTE works fine now after software update he says in his update
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
Maybe have to go with snapdragon after all....
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I don't get that video. He got the same crappy speeds with snapdragon Note 8. The only difference was the LTE vs HSPA indicator which is likely due to band 71 lacking on exynos. I have both Exynos and snapdragon S9+ phones and haven't noticed any issues. Snapdragon is probably 10-20% faster on LTE and coverage is identical. It is true that exynos lacks band 71 but that's about it.
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VICosPhi said:
I don't get that video. He got the same crappy speeds with snapdragon Note 8. The only difference was the LTE vs HSPA indicator which is likely due to band 71 lacking on exynos. I have both Exynos and snapdragon S9+ phones and haven't noticed any issues. Snapdragon is probably 10-20% faster on LTE and coverage is identical. It is true that exynos lacks band 71 but that's about it.
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So for sure the Exynos is missing Band 71? I was trying to find it but I swear someone posted saying he received his S9 Exynos and confirmed it had b71.
EDIT: Found the thread. I was confusing the Exynos for the US Unlocked version (SD845) https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9-plus/help/s9-9-unlocked-band-71-t-mobile-t3758387/page3
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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Snapdragon 855+ Galaxy Fold(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11150
QRD865(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 10247
QRD865(Performance)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 12524
Exynos 990 S20Ultra(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11823
Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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I also have the iPhone 11 Pro Max and coming back to Android and too be honest the Exynos VS SD865 does not really bother me, the performance is slower than the SD865 and possibly battery life (specially in standby) may not be the same, but the screen, camera, design, openness of Android more than make up for that I reckon.
Last time I had a Galaxy was the S10 and that was a very nice phone and my only gripe back then was the really poor signal quality so if this is resolved in the S20 Ultra then I am a happy.
You could of course import it if you must have the SD version.
Gadgetsboy on Twitter already discussing the poor battery life on Exynos models... And so it begins lol
Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
russellcausier said:
Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
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1) Not enough production.
2) Samsung makes a better profit from Exynos.
3) diversification is good, some years Qualcomm is better, some years Qualcomm is the SD810.
This was my initial question, as exynos has historically been crap.
Namely the GPU being underpowered compared to the same gen Adreno.
I've heard that the exynos / Mali this time is 20% faster, but that tells me nothing, I've also read that even South Korea has gone for the 865 which to me speaks volumes.
Not sure what all this would do for development, I've been away from Samsung since the S5 and note 4, I just couldn't deal with the exynos and it's sub par GPU, as I use emulators from time to time and the Adreno just works, plus you get driver updates.
If the new Mali is comparable to the Adreno (newest) then I'd think about getting this phone.
But my decision would hang on that and the aforementioned crap battery.
Have heard that this may be the last exynos too but couldn't confirm that.
Just wait for Gary explains YouTube channel to make a comparison between the two versions.
I guess the Snapdragon its going to be around 16% to 20% faster than the exynos.
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg
You won't likely notice the performance difference. But you will notice the horrible standby battery drain. Overnight, my exynos S20U drop 7% in airplane mode. Compare that to just 1% for my Asus ROG Phone II (not in airplane). But still better than exynos S10+ (10% overnight).
I’m hoping it gets fixed with software updates. Was still on the fence about moving over even though I pre ordered. The battery life on the 11 pro max is absolutely insane, still debating whether it’s worth losing that lol
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Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
Diaoul said:
Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
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I'm in the same situation - considering getting the HK variant (G9880) which supports pretty much all of the 4G/5G network channels..
I had the S10+ 855 in Australia on Vodafone and it was magic. well over 50mbits+ more download speed than the Exynos too..
Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Where from?
Guitarfreak26 said:
Where from?
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Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Did you move from your Max? haha
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Did you move from your Max? haha
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Lol I’ve had a few phones. iPhone 11 Pro has my main sim at the moment. Hoping the Ultra takes over though.
I think this whole exynos thing is overblown, yes there are differences in battery standby etc but surely having a UK warranty, ability to go to a samsung centre for any repairs, resale value is more important?
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
le0.br4zuc4 said:
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.
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Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter