Teleohony.. - Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 Q&A, Help & Trouble

I want to buy a Tab Pro 8.4 to replace my Note 8.0 and keep reading conflicting information. My question is simple.. can the 8.4 make and receive calls?

VeEuzUKY said:
I want to buy a Tab Pro 8.4 to replace my Note 8.0 and keep reading conflicting information. My question is simple.. can the 8.4 make and receive calls?
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not mine, but mine's only WIFI version, dunno if there's a 4G/LTE ver.

TCTheGreat said:
not mine, but mine's only WIFI version, dunno if there's a 4G/LTE ver.
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There is an LTE, it's the SM-T325. And acording to official pictures it clearly has an earpiece loudspeaker at the Top. However, in some articles I keep reading does not make GSM calls while on others, yes. The LTE is SnapDragon 800, not Samsung Exynos.. so I am assuming should absolutely make calls. Here is picture..

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VeEuzUKY said:
There is an LTE, it's the SM-T325. And acording to official pictures it clearly has an earpiece loudspeaker at the Top. However, in some articles I keep reading does not make GSM calls while on others, yes. The LTE is SnapDragon 800, not Samsung Exynos.. so I am assuming should absolutely make calls. Here is picture..
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I have the 4G/LTE SM-T325 and I can confirm that it makes voice calls. I previously owned the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100, which also made voice calls. I just swapped the SIM card and everything was good to go. I live in the US and I am on AT&T's GSM network.
Now if someone will just create some ROMs for it....

Zagzagel said:
I have the 4G/LTE SM-T325 and I can confirm that it makes voice calls. The previously owned the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100, which also made voice calls. I just swapped the SIM card and everything was good to go. I live in the US and I am on AT&T's GSM network.
Now if someone will just create some ROMs for it....
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Ohhhhhhh cool, thanks for the confirmation. Like you I also have the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100.
Keep in mind that the new 8.4 was recently released. ROMs will be available later as more users have it. But now that it can be rooted I can buy one.. I think there is also a working recovery for it.. right?.. these are the 2 most important tools. With these you can delete all the garbage and bloatware you want and modify system and framework apks (.. if U know how to do it). Later, there will be ROMs for it.. give it a little time
Just to confirm with you, the 8.4 is leaps better and faster then the 8.0, right?

VeEuzUKY said:
Just to confirm with you, the 8.4 is leaps better and faster then the 8.0, right?
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Qualitatively it seems faster, but I think a more optimized ROM/kernel will provide even more improvement over the GT-N5100. I was using the X-Note ROM on my GT-N5100, and I was very happy with the speed. The SM-T325 seems a little faster, but not by leaps and bounds. I am currently using Smart Launcher on the device. The biggest improvement is in the display, and it seems like I am getting better battery life than I did with the GT-N5100 after a few charging cycles. Attached is a screenshot of my battery usage from today. I spent a lot of time on Reddit!
Edit: I rooted the tablet using Chainfire's method, and my apps are able to write to the SD card using SDFix. I had no problem rooting the device, but I couldn't get the TWRP 2.7 recovery to install properly. I don't know if there is a problem with TWRP compatibility on the SM-T325 vs. the SM-T320, but for some reason I couldn't get it to work. I didn't try ClockworkMod. Since there aren't really any custom mods/ROMs I can install right now, I just reflashed the stock recovery and decided to wait.

Zagzagel said:
Qualitatively it seems faster, but I think a more optimized ROM/kernel will provide even more improvement over the GT-N5100. I was using the X-Note ROM on my GT-N5100, and I was very happy with the speed. The SM-T325 seems a little faster, but not by leaps and bounds. I am currently using and rt Launcher on the device. The biggest improvement is in the display, and it seems like I am getting better battery life than I did with the GT-N5100 after a few charging cycles. Attached is a screenshot of my battery usage from today. I spent a lot of time on Reddit!
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Thanks for the feedback. You are right, the speed improvements from device to device are in fact minimal.. it's all about the software. And 4 cores is useless.. not to mention 8 or 16 cores and I hear some Chinese phones will feature to be released soon.. these people are all out of their minds.. 2 cores running faster will give you a much faster UI experience than 4 cores or more running slower, even if the official benchmarks say otherwise. User experience and benchmarks (most of which the manufacturers fake) are different things. Samsung software and launchers are deplorable.. an aftermarket launcher and a good cleanup of all the useless system garbage will make the hardware run twice as fast and the battery last substantially longer.. my opinion is Android OS becomes bigger, fatter, slower and more complex and less "open source" with each release and the hardware can't keep up with the baggage. KitKat is bigger than Windows XP ever was and some of the apps also bigger and use more RAM than Windows apps. On a phone?? Do I find this normal? No. For me, my Galaxy Tab 7 (the original, and I still have it) running 2.3 Gingerbread, was the Golden age of Android.. from Honeycomb forward is all downhill..
The fact that my phone's CPU has more cores than my laptop, needs more RAM than my laptop and uses an OS bigger than my laptop, tells me clearly we are going the wrong way with this. I am already over Android as I have been with Windows for years. It's time something new comes up again from scratch.. simple, lean, free, open and fast.

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[Q] Overclocking My Tab 12.2

Hi All,
I just finished rooting my new Tab 12.2 and was wondering if anyone has successfully overclocked their Exynos and what speeds they have reached. I find the Tab somewhat laggy e.g. browser and screen mirroring and was really hoping to improve its performance. If you did, what app did you use and what speeds have you reached?
Cheers!
Guess there isn't an answer to this yet as I haven't found much on this either
Zeroskhaos said:
Guess there isn't an answer to this yet as I haven't found much on this either
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Very sad state of development for the Tab 12.2 and apparently the Note 12.2. I wonder if it is because of the Exynos instead of the QC. Anyone else hear of anything? I would really like to juice up my processor for every last bit of speed possible.
k1ng617 said:
Very sad state of development for the Tab 12.2 and apparently the Note 12.2. I wonder if it is because of the Exynos instead of the QC. Anyone else hear of anything? I would really like to juice up my processor for every last bit of speed possible.
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Yea been reading something about it being much harder to do things for the Exynos processors so it's taking a while. I have seen more custom stuff for the note than the tab though. The tab only has around 3 custom roms 2 of which are stockish and one cm 11 of I remember correctly. I'm trying to figure out why but have come out empty handed. If I could get the power supply replaced in my computer I would be able to get a deeper look but for now all I can do is try to find info lol
Zeroskhaos said:
Yea been reading something about it being much harder to do things for the Exynos processors so it's taking a while. I have seen more custom stuff for the note than the tab though. The tab only has around 3 custom roms 2 of which are stockish and one cm 11 of I remember correctly. I'm trying to figure out why but have come out empty handed. If I could get the power supply replaced in my computer I would be able to get a deeper look but for now all I can do is try to find info lol
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You're absolutely correct about the Exynos processor is causing some issues. However, Shaheer's 12.2 port of crpalmer's cm11-picasso-WiFi is moving forward, check the list of working/non-working in post #51. FYI, the picasso version (10.1") have more or less everything straightened out, why I guess a fully working cm11 for the SM-T900 is not far off.
There is also the LibidinosoSC kernel for the T520 10.1" TouchWiz ROM, that unit has the same specs, except for the screen-size, as the T900, why a port might be feasible.
arcadia2uk said:
You're absolutely correct about the Exynos processor is causing some issues. However, Shaheer's 12.2 port of crpalmer's cm11-picasso-WiFi is moving forward, check the list of working/non-working in post #51. FYI, the picasso version (10.1") have more or less everything straightened out, why I guess a fully working cm11 for the SM-T900 is not far off.
There is also the LibidinosoSC kernel for the T520 10.1" TouchWiz ROM, that unit has the same specs, except for the screen-size, as the T900, why a port might be feasible.
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If it is possible for the 10.1, it should be portable for the 12.2.
I've actually been watching that rom since the very first test for it popped up. I'm really excited about it but at the same time I would like to do stock with bloat removed and ability to overclock the processor. I like using the side sync with my note 3 but come to think of it, I get my calls through hangouts and my texts so yea maybe I'll do the jump soon once a few more kinks are worked out.

Help deciding between g3 and iPhone 6+

Hey guys. I am a long time jailbroken iPhone user. I am really into tech and wanted to try an android phone. However with the 5.5 iPhone I basically decided to just get the iPhone 6+ but now I have cold feet. Even though iOS 8 opens it up more I don't like certain restrictions like widgets in the notification center. Anyway Of all the android phones I have tried I liked the G3 the best. I have some concerns hoping you can help me with
-I have AT&T, how easy is it to root and get rid of the bloatware?
-does custom roms cause problems? Is it comparable tosses with Jailbreaking?
- when android L comes out what is the expected delay in the G3 getting it.
-I noticed the screen max brightness is not great. How is it in real life.
- one other issue I have is that the g3 has been out for a few months instead of a hot new phone.
Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Stigga said:
Hey guys. I am a long time jailbroken iPhone user. I am really into tech and wanted to try an android phone. However with the 5.5 iPhone I basically decided to just get the iPhone 6+ but now I have cold feet. Even though iOS 8 opens it up more I don't like certain restrictions like widgets in the notification center. Anyway Of all the android phones I have tried I liked the G3 the best. I have some concerns hoping you can help me with
-I have AT&T, how easy is it to root and get rid of the bloatware?
-does custom roms cause problems? Is it comparable tosses with Jailbreaking?
- when android L comes out what is the expected delay in the G3 getting it.
-I noticed the screen max brightness is not great. How is it in real life.
- one other issue I have is that the g3 has been out for a few months instead of a hot new phone.
Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
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The fact that you're even considering it shows your not ready to come to the light. Go with the iphone. Try it out at least.
I have att also
Rooting is easy ,, and removing bloatware is easy also,there are a couple quides for that
As for custom Roms there are non yet for the att g3 as it has a locked boot loader, but there are a couple devs working on unlocking the boot loader or finding an exploit to allow us to flash custom recoveries and roms
Android L if released will most likely make it to our g3 late 2014 or first quarter 2015
For the brightness issue I installed lux auto brightness
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6 plus bro
Thanks guys. Decided to not pre order the 6 plus- which is big for me. In regards to removing bloatware, how can you do that if there is no customer toms.
Stigga said:
Thanks guys. Decided to not pre order the 6 plus- which is big for me. In regards to removing bloatware, how can you do that if there is no customer toms.
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You have Titanium Backup to remove bloatware and I'm sure many other apps to do the same thing, but I can guarantee you that most people here use Titanium Backup.
This sums it up for me.
"On paper the iPhone 6's specs are mediocre, there's nothing special about 1GB of RAM, nothing special about a 2GHz quad-core CPU, and there's nothing special about a 1,810 mAh battery. The only thing truly staggering about the iPhone 6 is how much Apple are charging for the right to own barely more than a high-to-mid-range phone."
Read more: http://www.itproportal.com/2014/09/09/iphone-6-vs-lg-g3-full-specs-comparison/#ixzz3D6Lap97T
It's really simple to root G3 and to remove bloatware with for example Titanium backup. As in, really simple. So don't worry about that.
lossah said:
It's really simple to root G3 and to remove bloatware with for example Titanium backup. As in, really simple. So don't worry about that.
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Thanks guys. Is it this way with all android phones or just this phone.
Also do you guys like the G3? Would you get it now if you were looking for a phone?
Stigga said:
Thanks guys. Is it this way with all android phones or just this phone.
Also do you guys like the G3? Would you get it now if you were looking for a phone?
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About buying this phone:
Yes, IF its possible to remove this lag completely, and I think it is. I'm pretty sure it's because of the LG UI. As far as I know the s805 version also has UI lag.
And yes, if our lovely devs find a way to unlock the bootloader, since I'm one of those who likes to try roms out, "sadly".
But I bought this phone thanks to the big and beautiful display with really thin bezels, removable battery and SD card slot.
lossah said:
About buying this phone:
Yes, IF its possible to remove this lag completely, and I think it is. I'm pretty sure it's because of the LG UI. As far as I know the s805 version also has UI lag.
And yes, if our lovely devs find a way to unlock the bootloader, since I'm one of those who likes to try roms out, "sadly".
But I bought this phone thanks to the big and beautiful display with really thin bezels, removable battery and SD card slot.
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Oh man there is a lot of lag?
Stigga said:
Oh man there is a lot of lag?
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Not at all, but there is. And I'm completely allergic to any kind of lag. If it's not INSTANT, as in INSTANT, I call it lag.
lossah said:
Not at all, but there is. And I'm completely allergic to any kind of lag. If it's not INSTANT, as in INSTANT, I call it lag.
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Haha I like that
lossah said:
Not at all, but there is. And I'm completely allergic to any kind of lag. If it's not INSTANT, as in INSTANT, I call it lag.
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lol "not at all" ?? or "there is"?? you're not making sense my friend!
Iphone 6 the 2012 model released 2 years late lol
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If you go with the G3, get the 32gig model for the extra ram, I got the 16gig 2gigRAM model, wish I could have gotten the extra RAM
Also in terms of brightness, I've never maxed out the brightness in my daily use (haven't had the need), so not sure why people are complaining about brightness :/
Blaster1984 said:
lol "not at all" ?? or "there is"?? you're not making sense my friend!
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He said "lot of lag". It's not "lot of lag" but there is lag. Its not lag FREE.
What's so hard to understand?
AC5L4T3R said:
This sums it up for me.
"On paper the iPhone 6's specs are mediocre, there's nothing special about 1GB of RAM, nothing special about a 2GHz quad-core CPU, and there's nothing special about a 1,810 mAh battery. The only thing truly staggering about the iPhone 6 is how much Apple are charging for the right to own barely more than a high-to-mid-range phone."
Read more: http://www.itproportal.com/2014/09/09/iphone-6-vs-lg-g3-full-specs-comparison/#ixzz3D6Lap97T
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Until android (now byte code and java etc) will be full ART- the answer is iPhone (run native code). There is no way that apps run on google's Android RT virtual machine can be smooth and lag free like ios. Hopefully L finally fix the historical issue. We cannot compare processors, memory or battery because ios architecture doesn't need hi spec hardware due to this native code. Android has to do 'much' more.
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Not at all, but there is. And I'm completely allergic to any kind of lag. If it's not INSTANT, as in INSTANT, I call it lag.
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I am a bit like that because I am used to WP and compared to windows everything is slow.
prfraczek said:
Until android (now byte code and java etc) will be full ART- the answer is iPhone (run native code). There is no way that apps run on google's Android RT virtual machine can be smooth and lag free like ios. Hopefully L finally fix the historical issue. We cannot compare processors, memory or battery because ios architecture doesn't need hi spec hardware due to this native code. Android has to do 'much' more.
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Still. They charge an amazingly high amount for the hardware they pack inside, sure the phone runs smooth and is comparable with devices with higher specs, but it seems like they could do a little better if they lowered the price. Unless they spend a tone on advertising, that would explain the high prices lol

Note 7 or One Plus 3???

Soooooo, I have the new Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and with news of the recall it has me thinking... I have noticed some serious real life performance issues with simple task on my note 7. Scrolling is laggy, keyboard is too. Apps take a while to open (simple apps like text or even phone calls). I don't know if it will be fixed down the road or not.
I have seen the OnePlus 3 and it has me thinking that I should turn in the note 7 and make the switch. My biggest reservation is that there is no expandable storage.
I would like to get some XDA input on the note 7 vs the One Plus 3. Just not sure what route I should take!
Any input is very much appreciated.
Thanks!
I don't see any lag on my note 7. It's very rare
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OneEternalRound said:
Soooooo, I have the new Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and with news of the recall it has me thinking... I have noticed some serious real life performance issues with simple task on my note 7. Scrolling is laggy, keyboard is too. Apps take a while to open (simple apps like text or even phone calls). I don't know if it will be fixed down the road or not.
I have seen the OnePlus 3 and it has me thinking that I should turn in the note 7 and make the switch. My biggest reservation is that there is no expandable storage.
I would like to get some XDA input on the note 7 vs the One Plus 3. Just not sure what route I should take!
Any input is very much appreciated.
Thanks!
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Lag could be a result from battery problems. My N7 works even better than S7edge. I will chose a replacement for note 7 with note 7 anytime
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You should have added ZTE Axon 7.
for 450 EUR (vs 850 EUR for Note 7), Axon 7 is a real competitor.
don't forget that, although all 3 devices have AMOLED screens,
only Note 7 and Axon 7 are QHD;
Oneplus 3 has low FHD resolution.
lisbon2004 said:
You should have added ZTE Axon 7.
for 450 EUR (vs 850 EUR for Note 7), Axon 7 is a real competitor.
don't forget that, although all 3 devices have AMOLED screens,
only Note 7 and Axon 7 are QHD;
Oneplus 3 has low FHD resolution.
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Remind me, I forget, what other mobile has the S-pen? one gets what one pays for and those less expensive mobiles will serve their customers very well. What you totally fail to realise is the Note 7 is NOT a bog standard flagship mobile. Its aimed at high end users who will make use of the S-pen, 64GB internal memory and a possible 256GB expandable memory to name just a couple of the Note7's basic characteristics.
Ryland
LOL there's no comparison, one is a mid range bog standard phone and one is top quality premium computing device.
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I think many chose the note 7 as a complete pack, some for the s pen, some one posted that it would be like comparing cars, there are cheap well equiped fast cars, that do tje job very very well, but then the premium ones that cost much more and have similar characteristics, but much better looks and feel, and yes, some litle things not found in cheaper ones, so, at the end, it is a matter of taste, if you can afford what you really like an desire
winol said:
I think many chose the note 7 as a complete pack, some for the s pen, some one posted that it would be like comparing cars, there are cheap well equiped fast cars, that do tje job very very well, but then the premium ones that cost much more and have similar characteristics, but much better looks and feel, and yes, some litle things not found in cheaper ones, so, at the end, it is a matter of taste, if you can afford what you really like an desire
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I m very dissapointed, with the Note 7!!! A big big flop.. and i dont care either for the exploding battery, nor the scratches! I cant believe that after 5-6 years owning a Note, they did not yet managed to eliminate the lag and shutter on the newest.. every year the same Samsung [email protected]
Im going down the OnePlus 3 lane, after trying both of them.. i shared my experience here..
https://android-repo.com/2016/08/26...op-and-why-you-should-buy-a-oneplus3-instead/
I was thinking about getting the OP3 as opposed to the Note 7. But I realized that the OP3 wasn't going to offer me anything new. In fact, it would have offered me less (other than savings in money) considering I was coming off my S7 Edge.
I knew that the OP3 was going to be a temporary workhorse. Rooted, **** ton of roms, then I'd get tired of it after like month 3 then I would end up getting the newest Google device, while regretting not buying the Note 7 yet. Note 7 just has everything that can last me a legitimate year. Expandable storage, fast charging, multi window which i actually utilize every day, s-pen which i actually use many times throughout the day.
Sure, the price is up there. But this note 7 is a long term phone.
I have owned both phones. While I had the op3 since release and the note 7 for less than a month, I have to say the note 7 is auch better phone. I don't really need root, and didn't flash custom ROM on the op3. I used both android pay on the op3 and samsung pay on the note 7 daily and samsung pay is much more convenient. The op3 display isn't bad but the note 7 is noticeable better. I find battery life to be a bit better on the note 7. Both phone got me through a full day with moderate to heavy use but the not tends to have more battery at the end of the day. Dash charge was very convenient on the op3 and it did seem to charge much faster than note 7 (I don't use wireless charging). OxygenOS was a tad better than TouchWiz in terms of less manufacturer bloat, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I don't know if I will keep the note 7 after the new Pixel devices are announced but if I do I can see myself keeping the note 7 for 2 years.
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I m very dissapointed, with the Note 7!!! A big big flop.. and i dont care either for the exploding battery, nor the scratches! I cant believe that after 5-6 years owning a Note, they did not yet managed to eliminate the lag and shutter on the newest.. every year the same Samsung [email protected]
Im going down the OnePlus 3 lane, after trying both of them.. i shared my experience here..
https://android-repo.com/2016/08/26...op-and-why-you-should-buy-a-oneplus3-instead/
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Are you using the SD820 version? Because they Exynos flys with no lag or stutter.
Batfink33 said:
Are you using the SD820 version? Because they Exynos flys with no lag or stutter.
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I'm thinking about switching to the Exynos version. My carrier is letting me return the SD version because of the recall and I'm thinking might buy an unlocked Exynos version since this one lags.
acheney1990 said:
I'm thinking about switching to the Exynos version. My carrier is letting me return the SD version because of the recall and I'm thinking might buy an unlocked Exynos version since this one lags.
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I have very little or zero lag or stutter on my Exynos. It's the smoothest Touchwiz phone I've ever used.
I have the exynos model, I have no complaints, very smooth, no lags, I had note 4, and it had many shortcomings, I am real happy with my exynos note7
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Are you using the SD820 version? Because they Exynos flys with no lag or stutter.
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Yep sadly the Snapdragon.. every year the same [email protected] On my Note 4, i couldnt also believe the difference between the Exynos and the SD, but when i swapped for the Exynos, i was amazed!
Sadly getting an Exynos here in Greece, is kinda difficult @ the moment. Its sad to see Samsung repeating every year the same mistake. Bad memory management, bloated etc..
I also have the Snapdragon. Would It be possible to get it switched when I return it? I thought Exynos was only certain areas?? Never heard of it being in USA..
blitzkrieg19 said:
Yep sadly the Snapdragon.. every year the same [email protected] On my Note 4, i couldnt also believe the difference between the Exynos and the SD, but when i swapped for the Exynos, i was amazed!
Sadly getting an Exynos here in Greece, is kinda difficult @ the moment. Its sad to see Samsung repeating every year the same mistake. Bad memory management, bloated etc..
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I originally bought the SD820 version from AT&T in the US. It was slow, lagged so badly, had terrible battery life and I ended up returning it. I replaced it with the G930FD Exynos version and it is a night and day difference!! The Exynos version is so much faster, smoother, the battery life is probably double and I love it. Food for thought.
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I originally bought the SD820 version from AT&T in the US. It was slow, lagged so badly, had terrible battery life and I ended up returning it. I replaced it with the G930FD Exynos version and it is a night and day difference!! The Exynos version is so much faster, smoother, the battery life is probably double and I love it. Food for thought.
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Wow! That's good to know. So they had an option at AT&T for the Exynos version?? Or you purchased online elsewhere?
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Wow! That's good to know. So they had an option at AT&T for the Exynos version?? Or you purchased online elsewhere?
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Online elsewhere.
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Online elsewhere.
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Looks like this might be my best bet! Thanks for the help.

T-Mobile - Exynos S8 or Exynos S9?

I'm a T-Mobile user & have been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but am seeing some really concerning chatter about its performance, battery life, & T-Mobile signal quality, and am now wondering if I should just go with an S8. Snapdragon is a non-option for me (having *proper* backup - aka Titanium - is IMO a bare essential). Thus I'm only comparing Exynos S8 to Exynos S9.
1) The Anandtech review everyone's been talking about shows the Exynos S9's battery life / performance as even worse than last year's Exynos S8. I realize these are synthetic tests, but so far they're the best direct comparison I've got, & I would assume they'd be at least somewhat representative of real-world behavior (though they may i.e. inflate the difference). And *if* these results are indeed representative of what to expect, it feels a bit silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a downgrade in battery life. I've read through a number of threads & seen a pile of individual numbers, but if anyone has some specific experience with a 1:1 Exynos S8 to Exynos S9 comparison, it could be very enlightening. Most of the comparisons I've found on here seem to be Snapdragon vs Exynos.
2) I've also seen some threads that say Exynos S9 is getting really bad speed on T-Mobile (i.e. here). The same user later said in another thread (here) that they were somehow able to get it working better, but that it still has noticeably worse signal than Snapdragon S9. Again, I'd be interested to know if Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 show similar behavior.
3) Finally, as I live in a weak signal area, T-Mobile WiFi calling is essential. From what I understand it isn't yet possible on Exynos S9, but based on past trends it's pretty safe to assume that at some point someone will figure out how to enable it. It looks like it's currently working on Exynos S8 (reference). Is this accurate?
For the sake of longevity & the centered fingerprint reader I'd obviously prefer the S9...but not *if* it comes at the cost of worse battery, worse T-Mobile signal, & no T-Mobile WiFi calling. The *IF* is what I'd really like to try & determine before pulling the trigger on one or the other
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I'm a T-Mobile user & have been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but am seeing some really concerning chatter about its performance, battery life, & T-Mobile signal quality, and am now wondering if I should just go with an S8. Snapdragon is a non-option for me (having *proper* backup - aka Titanium - is IMO a bare essential). Thus I'm only comparing Exynos S8 to Exynos S9.
1) The Anandtech review everyone's been talking about shows the Exynos S9's battery life / performance as even worse than last year's Exynos S8. I realize these are synthetic tests, but so far they're the best direct comparison I've got, & I would assume they'd be at least somewhat representative of real-world behavior (though they may i.e. inflate the difference). And *if* these results are indeed representative of what to expect, it feels a bit silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a downgrade in battery life. I've read through a number of threads & seen a pile of individual numbers, but if anyone has some specific experience with a 1:1 Exynos S8 to Exynos S9 comparison, it could be very enlightening. Most of the comparisons I've found on here seem to be Snapdragon vs Exynos.
2) I've also seen some threads that say Exynos S9 is getting really bad speed on T-Mobile (i.e. here). The same user later said in another thread (here) that they were somehow able to get it working better, but that it still has noticeably worse signal than Snapdragon S9. Again, I'd be interested to know if Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 show similar behavior.
3) Finally, as I live in a weak signal area, T-Mobile WiFi calling is essential. From what I understand it isn't yet possible on Exynos S9, but based on past trends it's pretty safe to assume that at some point someone will figure out how to enable it. It looks like it's currently working on Exynos S8 (reference). Is this accurate?
For the sake of longevity & the centered fingerprint reader I'd obviously prefer the S9...but not *if* it comes at the cost of worse battery, worse T-Mobile signal, & no T-Mobile WiFi calling. The *IF* is what I'd really like to try & determine before pulling the trigger on one or the other
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Off topic- since 2007 I have been flashing and modding my phone's, as they were not even near performance I could get out of. I had the S7 Exynos , than went with S8 and now S9 Snapdeagon. As much as I miss the flashing , the over all performance, the fact it works great out of box, no crap installed by TMO, and Sammi actually doing a decent job, MAYBE it is not a big thing getting the TMO phone.. I'm not sorry I did, and I am a flashoholic..
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As much as I miss the flashing, the over all performance, the fact it works great out of box, no crap installed by TMO, and Sammi actually doing a decent job, MAYBE it is not a big thing getting the TMO phone..
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I'd actually really love to go that route too - but until Android offers a proper "complete" backup, I just don't see how a non-rootable phone is an option. I switched from iPhone not too long ago, bought my first Android phone which had a locked bootloader, & was absolutely baffled by the inability to do a complete device backup. "Complete" as in including all the data of every app, full OS customization, etc - to the point where you can just restore to a new phone & have it completely 100% setup where you left off. I'm not at all a fan of iPhone, but full device backup is something it's offered since...forever...and apparently on Android, the only way to get this is through Titanium. So after spending a few days trying every non-root backup solution I could find, I eventually gave in & returned the phone to be replaced with one that could be rooted.
Beyond full backup, I really don't have interest in flashing/customizing/etc. But until that's resolved natively, it's unfortuately rootable-only for me.
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I'd actually really love to go that route too - but until Android offers a proper "complete" backup, I just don't see how a non-rootable phone is an option. I switched from iPhone not too long ago, bought my first Android phone which had a locked bootloader, & was absolutely baffled by the inability to do a complete device backup. "Complete" as in including all the data of every app, full OS customization, etc - to the point where you can just restore to a new phone & have it completely 100% setup where you left off. I'm not at all a fan of iPhone, but full device backup is something it's offered since...forever...and apparently on Android, the only way to get this is through Titanium. So after spending a few days trying every non-root backup solution I could find, I eventually gave in & returned the phone to be replaced with one that could be rooted.
Beyond full backup, I really don't have interest in flashing/customizing/etc. But until that's resolved natively, it's unfortuately rootable-only for me.
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Well, while a valid point, I have restored only once in 3 years.. and it was not perfect , yet was not a complete disaster. It took less than 40 minutes . I didn't need to restore once on the TMO phones, simply because I did not flash and made my phone unstable. Yes, I know what you mean regarding iPhones. I have 2 more lines and they are used by apple fans in the house. Yet again- iPhone 8 is a bit different than the 6 or 7 were .. things change , and actually improve. If in 2007 I had to actually wtite code (use kitchen) , mod and flash, now days I don't see a need. Did I get old? Maybe, and again, I don't answer your fundamental question , but you may get an unlocked S9 (Snapdragon), root it in few months when available, and enjoy root and TMO CSC.. I can tell you , if I have to choose between battery life and backup, then battery life it is.. I can live with partial backup, I can't with lousy battery life. But- this is me and it may not be good enough for you. Just a different point of view of an old guy..
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I have restored only once in 3 years.. and it was not perfect , yet was not a complete disaster. It took less than 40 minutes . I didn't need to restore once on the TMO phones, simply because I did not flash and made my phone unstable.
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The issue isn't about needing to restore because it's unstable - it's about having a backup of your personal data. Stable or not, phones can get lost/stolen, and will eventually be replaced regardless. Samsung's SmartSync "solution" backs up no app data whatsoever, and other 3rd party non-root backup apps like Helium are spotty at best (for instance, they don't backup any chat history from WhatsApp, Viber, or Line). Currently, my message history in every app I use goes back to the start of when I got my first ever iPhone, many many years ago. Switching to non-root Android would mean nuking it every time I get a new phone. While it truly baffles me that there's no proper/official Android solution & that so many people seem fine with this, in my case, I feel like Titanium is the one & only option (for being able to use Android without risking large chunks of my personal data).
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you may get an unlocked S9 (Snapdragon), root it in few months when available, and enjoy root and TMO CSC.. I can tell you , if I have to choose between battery life and backup, then battery life it is..
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Actually, the previous/first non-rootable Android I mentioned getting was a Snapdragon S7. It technically *was* rootable, but its method of rooting broke the ability to use Secure Startup, in addition to introducing noticeable issues with lag & battery drain. That's why I returned it. It seems like you're suggesting I wait until S9 Snapdragon is rootable as a solution for having root w/ stability+battery life...but my very reason for looking at Exynos in the first place is because the last time I tried rooting a Snapdragon it had pretty bad stability/battery life, & I was pointed in the direction of Exynos.
I was under the impression that an Exynos, due to being unlocked, should be *the* solution for rootable without negatively affecting its battery life...not the other way around.
I have an S8 exynos, I do not have wifi calling. the S8 is a great phone and I do not feel like I'm missing out by going to S9, however if there is a really good deal I would jump ship. The only thing I dont have on my S8 right now is the 960fps camera, otherwise dual stereo speaker and everything else is the same, speed is getting irrelevant up here, I felt the S7 edge was pretty damn fast too, but I gave my family both of those and bought an S8.
I have both Snapdragon and Exynos S9(plus versions). Exynos does not bottom out on T-mobile LTE like S8 Exynos did. I am not a dev but extracted WiFi calling related files from Snapdragon and tried changing the CSC to TMB and got VoLTE to work on Tmobile but I keep getting "com.android.phone has stopped working". I am either missing a setting or it is due to the new /omc partition Samsung introduced for CSCs.
Hopefully Tkkg1994 or someone takes interest into this to get this working. Another huge issue with Exynos is you cannot record any calls with call recording apps due to Samsung removing that feature. I haven't seen any rooted apps that enable call recording on Exynos yet.
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I have an S8 exynos, I do not have wifi calling.
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You mean you tried but were unable to get it working? Or you just didn't feel like you needed it, so couldn't offer input one way or the other (about its availability on S8)?
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the S8 is a great phone and I do not feel like I'm missing out by going to S9
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Right, but in my case I have neither, & am just trying to determine which would be best to go with. If there's no deterioration in performance/battery as the Anandtech article would indicate, I'd obviously prefer the S9 for longer longevity & the other improvements. But if it's actually worse...then...well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
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I have both Snapdragon and Exynos S9(plus versions). Exynos does not bottom out on T-mobile LTE like S8 Exynos did.
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What do you mean by 'bottom out'?
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Another huge issue with Exynos is you cannot record any calls with call recording apps due to Samsung removing that feature. I haven't seen any rooted apps that enable call recording on Exynos yet.
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Oh crap, that is a serious issue. Ugh, wtf. So you mean it's there in the Snapdragon but for some reason they killed it in the Exynos? Is this true of the S8 too, or just the S9?
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What do you mean by 'bottom out'?
Oh crap, that is a serious issue. Ugh, wtf. So you mean it's there in the Snapdragon but for some reason they killed it in the Exynos? Is this true of the S8 too, or just the S9?
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I meant to say the Exynos S8 has carrier aggregation issues with t-mobile and you'd get less LTE speed than snapdragon. My S9 Exynos runs a lot better on t-mobile LTE.
Yeah Samsung want to be the policing nanny that dictates how one should use their phone. They're going to push the new update to all of their phones including S8 to disable the use of recording apps. I can't believe they want to impose this on everyone despite call recording being legal in many places. For now it works with snapdragon but that may not be the case soon.
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My S9 Exynos runs a lot better on t-mobile LTE.
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Ahh - so just to be clear, you're saying that your S9 Exynos runs a lot better on T-Mobile than your S8 Exynos, right? If so, that definitely sounds like a +1 vote for S9 over the S8.
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Yeah Samsung want to be the policing nanny that dictates how one should use their phone. They're going to push the new update to all of their phones including S8 to disable the use of recording apps.
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Ughh...so now even Samsung is turning into Apple? :silly:
Still, if this is being done entirely via software update, it stands to reason that custom roms would not be affected, right? Which seems to just make the case for Exynos even stronger. Because *if* they do indeed disable this on all their phones, but only Exynos can support custom roms...that would mean that ultimately *only* Exynos would retain call-recording. No?
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Ahh - so just to be clear, you're saying that your S9 Exynos runs a lot better on T-Mobile than your S8 Exynos, right? If so, that definitely sounds like a +1 vote for S9 over the S8.
Ughh...so now even Samsung is turning into Apple? :silly:
Still, if this is being done entirely via software update, it stands to reason that custom roms would not be affected, right? Which seems to just make the case for Exynos even stronger. Because *if* they do indeed disable this on all their phones, but only Exynos can support custom roms...that would mean that ultimately *only* Exynos would retain call-recording. No?
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Yes S9 runs much better on T-mobile's LTE network.
Yep, they're surely turning into Apple of Android... I've bought every galaxy phone since the first but looks like it is time to look elsewhere soon if Samsung starts restricting user choices. Huawei P20 and One plus 6 may give 90% of what Samsung offers.
Actually the call recording apps do not yet work on custom ROMs either. I agree Exynos is safer bet as there's still some chance someone will get call recording working with root and possibly T-mobile wifi calling too...
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Actually the call recording apps do not yet work on custom ROMs either.
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Does that mean on custom roms for the S9 only, or does it apply to the S8 as well?
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Does that mean on custom roms for the S9 only, or does it apply to the S8 as well?
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Call recording apps work on S8 but if you're on Oreo then it will have intermittent issues due to Samsung limiting it in new updates.
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Call recording apps work on S8 but if you're on Oreo then it will have intermittent issues due to Samsung limiting it in new updates.
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Thanks for the confirm. I guess I should probably just disregard this as an S8 vs S9 criteria for now then, because if Samsung is breaking it in software they're likely to do so on both phones eventually - and if it's fixable in software it's likely the xda community will overcome it for both phones eventually too.
Still, the battery life thing is very disconcerting. People in this thread are continuing to post numbers like:
S9: Usage ~14 hours and 5 hours sot
S8: Usage ~20+ hours and 7+ hours sot
If true, that's a *very* big regression...
Personally, the battery life has been more or less the same for me if that helps.
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Personally, the battery life has been more or less the same for me if that helps.
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Hmm, that's good to know, thanks. I guess I'll hold off for at least a few more days & see if there's more of a consensus, as this Anandtech review that started the whole thing is still pretty recent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
Maybe have to go with snapdragon after all....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
Maybe have to go with snapdragon after all....
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LTE works fine now after software update he says in his update
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
Maybe have to go with snapdragon after all....
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I don't get that video. He got the same crappy speeds with snapdragon Note 8. The only difference was the LTE vs HSPA indicator which is likely due to band 71 lacking on exynos. I have both Exynos and snapdragon S9+ phones and haven't noticed any issues. Snapdragon is probably 10-20% faster on LTE and coverage is identical. It is true that exynos lacks band 71 but that's about it.
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I don't get that video. He got the same crappy speeds with snapdragon Note 8. The only difference was the LTE vs HSPA indicator which is likely due to band 71 lacking on exynos. I have both Exynos and snapdragon S9+ phones and haven't noticed any issues. Snapdragon is probably 10-20% faster on LTE and coverage is identical. It is true that exynos lacks band 71 but that's about it.
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So for sure the Exynos is missing Band 71? I was trying to find it but I swear someone posted saying he received his S9 Exynos and confirmed it had b71.
EDIT: Found the thread. I was confusing the Exynos for the US Unlocked version (SD845) https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9-plus/help/s9-9-unlocked-band-71-t-mobile-t3758387/page3

Should I buy Tab S4 or not?

Basically, I have always been an Android user back to the early days when XDA was helping users to install Android on their Windows Mobile devices. I akways had devices like Nexus 5, 7, Tab S 8.4, etc. However currently I am terribly depressed with the tablet options out there. I'm not crazy about Samsung experience and apps. I have a Pixel 2 XL I'm pretty happy with.
I never liked Apple much due to the closed nature of their ecosystem. However I always envied their hardware and the simplicity and high performance. From what I've read, the soon to be replaced iPad pro processor A10x easily beats Samsung's shiny new Tab S4 processor Snapdragon 835. Lately, it seems like iOS has opened up a bit slightly... But still can't do all the things Android can do.
So my question is, based on my background... Do you think I would enjoy the Tab s4? For what reason did you choose to hand Samsung over so much money vs the tried and true iPad? I am hesitant to drop so much money on the same processor running on my phone from a year ago. What are your thoughts on the S4?
Also I would be buying the LTE Verizon version to use on TMobile. Does root work there too?
It's the same question I had, but I've always been an android user and in the end I took this tab, even if the latest ipad (not Pro) seems to be a bargain and even supports the pencil.
I can tell you the experience is very good, great battery, great screen, and also dex behaves very well (even if reviews say the opposite). The pen is very well implemented and when you get used to it, it's really a bonus, even if now you think you don't need it.
But I've never tried an ipad and probably it's wonderful, with better apps (they're expensive, but if you don't buy the pro you have a lot of money to spend for the apps).
Also keep in mind that the ipad can't wirelessly mirror the screen to a TV and can't read a Ntfs usb stick.
In the end I don't think you'll be disappointed whatever choice you'll take, it's just up to you to understand which tab better suits to your needs.
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I had a lot of doubts like you too. To be honest, I would probably not have bought it if not for the free upgrade to 256gb in my region. Regardless, it is a great tablet to me, beautiful, quite snappy (way way better than Tab S3) and has an awesome screen. Regarding Android apps, you should probably be aware too, most apps are going to say 'it's not optimised for your device' in the playstore but they are usable nevertheless.
DeX mode is really cute too, seeing it 'turns' into a pesudo mini laptop which may or may not be useful to you. This is part of the reason I bought it too to use as a partial laptop
Bottomline, Tab S4 is a much better buy for me compared to the Tab S3 which I bought for only slightly cheaper 1.5 yrs ago (only 32gb storage and laggy as hell!!).
Thanks guys. I am leaning towards getting the Tab S4 LTE because I want more freedom over the iPad.
How has the battery life been? Does anyone know if the LTE can get rooted same as the WiFi? I'm planning to buy Verizon version
I would not buy it, because of lack of fingerprint and most probably ****ty development
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I would not buy it, because of lack of fingerprint and most probably ****ty development
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That's one thing I'm a bit afraid of. Without strong developer community we will be stuck on whatever OS Samsung updates to.
Has your Tab S3 LTE been going well?
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That's one thing I'm a bit afraid of. Without strong developer community we will be stuck on whatever OS Samsung updates to.
Has your Tab S3 LTE been going well?
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First time i saw my S3 i was suprised how good it look, but some times after i was disappointed. Fingerprint is working like in 2015 flagships, performance is not as good as i expect, performance is poor (on stock it is extremely slow, on linege or treble roms little bit better but still laggy when compared to e.g my OnePlus 5T).
Only good things in this tablet is screen, and nothing else. I'am thinking about switching to Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 or Google Pixel C
Stay away from it if you're going to use it in portrait mode, it suffers from crooked/slanted scrolling on text heavy pages, really annoying.
Its awesome tablet. Almost have working twrp already
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Its awesome tablet. Almost have working twrp already
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Any idea if it will work on LTE? - TWRP / Root
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Any idea if it will work on LTE? - TWRP / Root
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I should work the same
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First time i saw my S3 i was suprised how good it look, but some times after i was disappointed. Fingerprint is working like in 2015 flagships, performance is not as good as i expect, performance is poor (on stock it is extremely slow, on linege or treble roms little bit better but still laggy when compared to e.g my OnePlus 5T).
Only good things in this tablet is screen, and nothing else. I'am thinking about switching to Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 or Google Pixel C
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Google pixel is even more ancient.
Where can you buy the xiaomi? Doesn't show up on Amazon
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Google pixel is even more ancient.
Where can you buy the xiaomi? Doesn't show up on Amazon
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Yeah, Pixel is older but on stock it runs faster than S3/S4 ever could. And i can buy Xiaomi on alie, my local allegro or on gearbest
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Thanks guys. I am leaning towards getting the Tab S4 LTE because I want more freedom over the iPad.
How has the battery life been? Does anyone know if the LTE can get rooted same as the WiFi? I'm planning to buy Verizon version
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That's one thing I'm a bit afraid of. Without strong developer community we will be stuck on whatever OS Samsung updates to.
Has your Tab S3 LTE been going well?
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Battery life is great, I can get 12 hours SOT (no games, just surfing the Web and reading).
Development could be good, we have a snapdragon 835 which is quite supported. Anyway Samsung features are a great value for me (S Pen is very well implemented) and IMHO they are more important than getting 1 or 2 more releases of android. I have a Note 8.0 tablet with android 4.4.4 and it still works perfectly, I never needed to upgrade to LineageOS Nougat even if it was available.
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Yeah, Pixel is older but on stock it runs faster than S3/S4 ever could. And i can buy Xiaomi on alie, my local allegro or on gearbest
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I disagree with that the S4 is comparable and with further tweaking it will be even better. The pixel c was awesome and I loved it but too old now
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I disagree with that the S4 is comparable and with further tweaking it will be even better. The pixel c was awesome and I loved it but too old now
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Too Old but working better and faster. Even my Nvidia Shield Tablet was faster than Tab S3/S4
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Too Old but working better and faster. Even my Nvidia Shield Tablet was faster than Tab S3/S4
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You had the Tab S3 but it doesn't look like you have the Tab S4? Why are you so sure they are better than Tab S4?
I have both. Tab S3 is indeed crap but Tab S4 is a lot better.
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You had the Tab S3 but it doesn't look like you have the Tab S4? Why are you so sure they are better than Tab S4?
I have both. Tab S3 is indeed crap but Tab S4 is a lot better.
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I've tested S4 for 6 days, and not much changed for me. Lack of fingerprint scanner is disgusting, no more ram and only snapdragon 835. On terms of use, same problems like scrolling lag, etc.
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Yeah, Pixel is older but on stock it runs faster than S3/S4 ever could. And i can buy Xiaomi on alie, my local allegro or on gearbest
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Absolutely not. Pixel C features a Tegra chipset that is not quite very optimized for Android. Also, the Pixel C is a 3-year-old device, not recommended at all.
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Absolutely not. Pixel C features a Tegra chipset that is not quite very optimized for Android. Also, the Pixel C is a 3-year-old device, not recommended at all.
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If you talk to me about optimization, look at S3/S4 performance. UI seems to be laggy, animations are not smooth. In normal use Pixel C seems to work faster, animations are snappy. I have tried Tab S3/S4 and Google Pixel C and i'am going to test Xiaomi mi pad 4. Now am disappointed

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