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Teleohony..

I want to buy a Tab Pro 8.4 to replace my Note 8.0 and keep reading conflicting information. My question is simple.. can the 8.4 make and receive calls?

VeEuzUKY said:
I want to buy a Tab Pro 8.4 to replace my Note 8.0 and keep reading conflicting information. My question is simple.. can the 8.4 make and receive calls?
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not mine, but mine's only WIFI version, dunno if there's a 4G/LTE ver.

TCTheGreat said:
not mine, but mine's only WIFI version, dunno if there's a 4G/LTE ver.
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There is an LTE, it's the SM-T325. And acording to official pictures it clearly has an earpiece loudspeaker at the Top. However, in some articles I keep reading does not make GSM calls while on others, yes. The LTE is SnapDragon 800, not Samsung Exynos.. so I am assuming should absolutely make calls. Here is picture..

Telephony
VeEuzUKY said:
There is an LTE, it's the SM-T325. And acording to official pictures it clearly has an earpiece loudspeaker at the Top. However, in some articles I keep reading does not make GSM calls while on others, yes. The LTE is SnapDragon 800, not Samsung Exynos.. so I am assuming should absolutely make calls. Here is picture..
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I have the 4G/LTE SM-T325 and I can confirm that it makes voice calls. I previously owned the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100, which also made voice calls. I just swapped the SIM card and everything was good to go. I live in the US and I am on AT&T's GSM network.
Now if someone will just create some ROMs for it....

Zagzagel said:
I have the 4G/LTE SM-T325 and I can confirm that it makes voice calls. The previously owned the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100, which also made voice calls. I just swapped the SIM card and everything was good to go. I live in the US and I am on AT&T's GSM network.
Now if someone will just create some ROMs for it....
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Ohhhhhhh cool, thanks for the confirmation. Like you I also have the Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100.
Keep in mind that the new 8.4 was recently released. ROMs will be available later as more users have it. But now that it can be rooted I can buy one.. I think there is also a working recovery for it.. right?.. these are the 2 most important tools. With these you can delete all the garbage and bloatware you want and modify system and framework apks (.. if U know how to do it). Later, there will be ROMs for it.. give it a little time
Just to confirm with you, the 8.4 is leaps better and faster then the 8.0, right?

VeEuzUKY said:
Just to confirm with you, the 8.4 is leaps better and faster then the 8.0, right?
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Qualitatively it seems faster, but I think a more optimized ROM/kernel will provide even more improvement over the GT-N5100. I was using the X-Note ROM on my GT-N5100, and I was very happy with the speed. The SM-T325 seems a little faster, but not by leaps and bounds. I am currently using Smart Launcher on the device. The biggest improvement is in the display, and it seems like I am getting better battery life than I did with the GT-N5100 after a few charging cycles. Attached is a screenshot of my battery usage from today. I spent a lot of time on Reddit!
Edit: I rooted the tablet using Chainfire's method, and my apps are able to write to the SD card using SDFix. I had no problem rooting the device, but I couldn't get the TWRP 2.7 recovery to install properly. I don't know if there is a problem with TWRP compatibility on the SM-T325 vs. the SM-T320, but for some reason I couldn't get it to work. I didn't try ClockworkMod. Since there aren't really any custom mods/ROMs I can install right now, I just reflashed the stock recovery and decided to wait.

Zagzagel said:
Qualitatively it seems faster, but I think a more optimized ROM/kernel will provide even more improvement over the GT-N5100. I was using the X-Note ROM on my GT-N5100, and I was very happy with the speed. The SM-T325 seems a little faster, but not by leaps and bounds. I am currently using and rt Launcher on the device. The biggest improvement is in the display, and it seems like I am getting better battery life than I did with the GT-N5100 after a few charging cycles. Attached is a screenshot of my battery usage from today. I spent a lot of time on Reddit!
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Thanks for the feedback. You are right, the speed improvements from device to device are in fact minimal.. it's all about the software. And 4 cores is useless.. not to mention 8 or 16 cores and I hear some Chinese phones will feature to be released soon.. these people are all out of their minds.. 2 cores running faster will give you a much faster UI experience than 4 cores or more running slower, even if the official benchmarks say otherwise. User experience and benchmarks (most of which the manufacturers fake) are different things. Samsung software and launchers are deplorable.. an aftermarket launcher and a good cleanup of all the useless system garbage will make the hardware run twice as fast and the battery last substantially longer.. my opinion is Android OS becomes bigger, fatter, slower and more complex and less "open source" with each release and the hardware can't keep up with the baggage. KitKat is bigger than Windows XP ever was and some of the apps also bigger and use more RAM than Windows apps. On a phone?? Do I find this normal? No. For me, my Galaxy Tab 7 (the original, and I still have it) running 2.3 Gingerbread, was the Golden age of Android.. from Honeycomb forward is all downhill..
The fact that my phone's CPU has more cores than my laptop, needs more RAM than my laptop and uses an OS bigger than my laptop, tells me clearly we are going the wrong way with this. I am already over Android as I have been with Windows for years. It's time something new comes up again from scratch.. simple, lean, free, open and fast.

oneplus one vs oneplus 3

Guys im really thinking about buying the oneplus 3.
but when i compare the oneplus one vs the oneplus 3 i cant see a lot of differences.
IPS LCD - Super AMOLED
13 megapixels - 16 megapixels
autofocus - Optical image stabilization
Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 - Qualcomm Snapdragon 820
3 GB RAM - 6 GB RAM
3100 mAh - 3000 mAh
LTE, UMTS - LTE-A Cat 6
microUSB - USB Type-C
180€ - 400€
So nobody need 6gb ram, the 801 is good enough for daily use. Saving half the price for a bigger battery and less camera pixels, sounds like a fair deal. What do you thin and did i missed something?

NFC, faster GPU , dash charge , slimmer , sexier , the list goes on , get the one plus 3

after using op3 i would not look to op1.

acmerw said:
after using op3 i would not look to op1.
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Why?
3Plus said:
NFC, faster GPU , dash charge , slimmer , sexier , the list goes on , get the one plus 3
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oneplus one has nfc
if you read my post, even if the oneplus 3 is faster, the 1 is also able to play or use every app you want to even if it takes 2 more seconds to load big games
dash charge is not that important for me i always have a batterypack with me
moreover i can understand why thy try to build as thin as possible i would be fine with a thicker phone if it has a 4000mha battery inside.
something else i should consider?

carrier frequency bands and VoLTE are a pretty big change if youre in the USA and have Tmo or ATT

My Dad has the OP1 and I've just got the OP3... there is no comparison believe me! The 801 may have been a good chip over 2 years ago but the OP3 is blisteringly fast when comparing the two. Also screen is far more vibrant, contrasty and brighter, camera is definitely better, and although it has a smaller battery it's already clear from the other forum posts that the OP3 can provide a much greater screen on time than OP1. Also build quality is not comparable, the OP3 has even better build quality than my outgoing iPhone 6 Plus (no kidding!). Take the plunge, you won't regret it.

twinko said:
Why?
oneplus one has nfc
if you read my post, even if the oneplus 3 is faster, the 1 is also able to play or use every app you want to even if it takes 2 more seconds to load big games
dash charge is not that important for me i always have a batterypack with me
moreover i can understand why thy try to build as thin as possible i would be fine with a thicker phone if it has a 4000mha battery inside.
something else i should consider?
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Well stick to your one plus one and stop whining then....you wouldn't of posted if you didn't somewhat want the op3, I think it's a case of you cannot afford it and trying to justify you're purchase....lol

twinko said:
Why?
oneplus one has nfc
if you read my post, even if the oneplus 3 is faster, the 1 is also able to play or use every app you want to even if it takes 2 more seconds to load big games
dash charge is not that important for me i always have a batterypack with me
moreover i can understand why thy try to build as thin as possible i would be fine with a thicker phone if it has a 4000mha battery inside.
something else i should consider?
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fingerprint reader & camera performance.

2x4 said:
carrier frequency bands and VoLTE are a pretty big change if youre in the USA and have Tmo or ATT
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I don't think VoLTE works on ATT.

My outgoing phone was the OPO and I don't regret it at all with my new OP3.
It's a bit if a stretch of budget.. But it pays you back well.

Joyo-rocker said:
My outgoing phone was the OPO and I don't regret it at all with my new OP3.
It's a bit if a stretch of budget.. But it pays you back well.
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if you have the direct comparrison to the OPO, what are the benefits and was the OPO better in something?
Kind regards

twinko said:
if you have the direct comparrison to the OPO, what are the benefits and was the OPO better in something?
Kind regards
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If you ask me the only thing the OPO was better in was CyanogenOS although oxygen also improved over time. Despite the smaller battery, battery life on the OP3 is on par if not better then the OPO for me. Since lollipop battery life was bad on OPO you know.
Dash charging en build quality alone is enough to buy the OP3 over the OPO

@k.s.deviate AT&T was supposed to have rolled out VoLTE by now, but we all know how carriers never follow through. By the time they do, something bigger and better already out...LOL.
@twinko most things are phased out by design to force you to upgrade. While the OPO is still a great device in my opinion, the lack of arm64 support may limit in development for the future. If you would like a future proofed phone for the time being, you'll need to get the OP2 or OP3. No one can say for sure, but Google may just stop making 32 bit Android altogether from this point. So unless you just want to stick with mm and below, this might also be something to consider.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk

noobtoob said:
@k.s.deviate AT&T was supposed to have rolled out VoLTE by now, but we all know how carriers never follow through. By the time they do, something bigger and better already out...LOL.
@twinko most things are phased out by design to force you to upgrade. While the OPO is still a great device in my opinion, the lack of arm64 support may limit in development for the future. If you would like a future proofed phone for the time being, you'll need to get the OP2 or OP3. No one can say for sure, but Google may just stop making 32 bit Android altogether from this point. So unless you just want to stick with mm and below, this might also be something to consider.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk
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VoLTE is rolled out, but ATT currently only supports certain devices.. Same with Rogers in Canada, they wont support a device that they don't sell.

k.s.deviate said:
VoLTE is rolled out, but ATT currently only supports certain devices.. Same with Rogers in Canada, they wont support a device that they don't sell.
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VoLTE isn't completely rolled out in the US for all AT&T areas. I'm in California, and have not seen this service activated. Last conversation I had with a rep in my area said they won't even start upgrading towers around here for "a while," whatever that means. My previous two phones were VoLTE capable bought from AT&T and couldn't take advantage of it. My wife's current phone is less than 3 months old through them and we don't see it on there either. But you also have a very valid point. Me having to use my old phones imei to get LTE service is stupid, but they don't have the OP3 listed as a capable device so...
Sent from the OnePlus 3...
making it "RAIN!"

twinko said:
if you have the direct comparrison to the OPO, what are the benefits and was the OPO better in something?
Kind regards
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I think honestly the only plus point the OPO had now is the fact that it is more dev friendly.
It has more development as it is quite old now.
It has better speakers courtesy the stereo sound mod on XDA. Better display calibration aka Kernel auditor and better uniqueness.
That's to it in my honest opinion.

Refund Snapdragon For Exynos?

My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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Take a look at this before making any decisions...

TEKHD said:
Take a look atthisbefore making any decisions...
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That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?

acheney1990 said:
That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?
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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update

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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.
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I agree get the Exynos if you can. The Snapdragon is full of problems and terrible battery life compared to the Exynos version.
Literally the only way I can make my Exynos lag is too open all 120 apps while multi windows + running Antutu (exaggeration obviously) in all seriousness I have never seen my device lag even when gaming order and chaos 2, dead trigger 2, Pokemon Go, clash of clans..etc

stevierayvaughan said:
I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update
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I talked to them today over chat support. I asked about exchange or refund. They seemed reluctant at first but said were gonna put a note in my account for when I went back to the store I got it from... Saying to refund it. No if they actually do so at the store or what trouble they give me is another thing.

So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!

phame said:
So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!
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I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.

the only issue I'm having with the exynos is button lag (have to keep pressing the button esp on the phone app before it works) and occasional reboots. It also hung when sending a SMS whilst listening to music, taking 2 restarts to go back to normal.

imatts said:
I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.
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Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.

phame said:
Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.
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So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.

acheney1990 said:
So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.
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Nope.
I have been using the SM-N9300 (Hong Kong version) of the Note 7 w/ the Snap Dragon 820 for 6 days now. Have not had a single lag issue. No problems whatsoever with the typing. I have installed and used the stock Samsung, Google and Swift Key keyboards and all of them work perfectly fine with no lag whatsoever.
What is funny is that the Exynos version I recently purchased and have had for almost 3 days now, has had that lag with typing. But only once or twice and nothing too extreme. There is actually a whole thread of people using the Exynos version who are experiencing the Key board lag issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/galaxy-note-7-singapore-thread-sm-t3444909
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here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help/note-7-repeated-restart-bootloop-issues-t3444510/page11

Snapdragon = locked bootloader.
Exynos= unlocked.
That's all that needs to be said and should be an easy choice if your here on XDA.
sent from my Note 7 or S6

Might be blasphemy here but after years of custom ROMs on S3 and shortly on S5 (which made the experiences great, no doubt), I can't think of any reason to need root with what I can do on the Note 7 as it is. Even Good Lock takes me back to that nice notification and quick settings I was used to. Of course that's just my requirements of the phone, no doubt plenty want root.

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Which is better: Snapdragon 865 vs Exynos 990?

The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?

roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.

I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.

le0.br4zuc4 said:
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.

Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd

roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.

cheetah2k said:
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it

dladz said:
Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:

cheetah2k said:
Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.

dladz said:
Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.

Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal

_Dennis_ said:
You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.

dladz said:
Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.

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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter

Is buying a Note 10+ Exynos worth it in 2022?

I know the Exynos version gets a lot of hate but i plan on buying it so i can root and run custom roms.
Is it still a good phone?
I hate how skinny phones are now and the 10+ has the perfect size screen.
Big screen+custom roms sounds like a win for me.

PS. I don't use my phone for video games.

Yeah, still a good phone. If you're in the u.s you could buy Snapdragon U or U1 and pay a fee to get unlocked bootloader/root.
I personally bought the SM-N9750/ds at release so i could root it (U and U1 didn't have ability to be rooted then). But there are 0 roms for this model, so for rom flashing if you want Snapdragon you could do that, or the exynos....
Check the "bounty" thread for the U & U1 version if you're interested and can learn about the process/cost

louforgiveno said:
Yeah, still a good phone. If you're in the u.s you could buy Snapdragon U or U1 and pay a fee to get unlocked bootloader/root.
I personally bought the SM-N9750/ds at release so i could root it (U and U1 didn't have ability to be rooted then). But there are 0 roms for this model, so for rom flashing if you want Snapdragon you could do that, or the exynos....
Check the "bounty" thread for the U & U1 version if you're interested and can learn about the process/cost
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Thanks for the reply. I'm in the u.s. so the bounty thread is something I'll check out.

Hell yeah.
My oldest N10+ N975U is over 2.5 yo still running on Pie. Heavily used but looks and runs like new. The only repair was a battery replacement.
A bought a new N975U1running on Android 10 5 months ago... that's how much I like this gorgeous work horse of a phone.
The Snapdragon variants all have the copper phase vapor heat sinks. Get the 12gb ram variant, the 5G variant will probably eat more battery. Use Android 9 or 10, I wouldn't go any higher.
They will run very well stock if optimized... just saying. New factory sealed ones can still be found stateside both cpu's versions for about $800.

Thanks for the replies guys! I'm definitely buying one now.

The Beast vs S22 Ultra.

BEAST
Another reason i love the Note 10+ is i'm so tired of the rounded edge 19.5:9 ratio phones.

jaydm0thr3e said:
BEAST
Another reason i love the Note 10+ is i'm so tired of the rounded edge 19.5:9 ratio phones.
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Indeed. Don't want the retro CRT look
The 10+ more display vs bezel area too.
The S22U looks clunky side by side with the 10+.

For equivalent of USD$178, I just bought a used Exynos version here in Thailand. Minor crack bottom right corner (can't even be seen in dark mode). Slapped a UV glued tempered glass on it to make sure crack doesn't spread out. 12GB/512GB version. It's running great! Lasted 2 full days on LTE. I'm happy.

blackhawk said:
The Beast vs S22 Ultra.
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Yup. Even at 60Hz the Note 10+ looks way better than the S22 "Ultra" LOL. That extra 4GB makes a big difference in the responsiveness of the UI.
The 10 series (S10* Note10*) are the last great Samsung phones to have ever been made. I own an S10+ Snappy and now a N10+ Exxy. I will hang on to both until they either die completely or 4G LTE becomes obsolete. I feel like as long as there are replacement batteries, I can keep these things running another 7 years!

audaciousnomad said:
Yup. Even at 60Hz the Note 10+ looks way better than the S22 "Ultra" LOL. That extra 4GB makes a big difference in the responsiveness of the UI.
The 10 series (S10* Note10*) are the last great Samsung phones to have ever been made. I own an S10+ Snappy and now a N10+ Exxy. I will hang on to both until they either die completely or 4G LTE becomes obsolete. I feel like as long as there are replacement batteries, I can keep these things running another 7 years!
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The N10+ rocks. Not even close to tired of using it. A beautiful, powerful, well balanced Note.
4G should be around until at least the end of this decade. It's not separate from 5G but integrated into that protocol able to run side by side with it, 3G wasn't. Because of it's greater bandwidth, 4 LTE/HD support that 3G lacked as well better obstacle penetration/range/low bandwidth efficiency than 5G, 4G LTE will likely be around for the life of these phones.

blackhawk said:
The N10+ rocks. Not even close to tired of using it. A beautiful, powerful, well balanced Note.
4G should be around until at least the end of this decade. It's not separate from 5G but integrated into that protocol able to run side by side with it, 3G wasn't. Because of it's greater bandwidth, 4 LTE/HD support that 3G lacked as well better obstacle penetration/range/low bandwidth efficiency than 5G, 4G LTE will likely be around for the life of these phones.
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Yes! I forgot to mention the light weight and thinness of the Note 10 as well. Everything about this phone rocks!

Since this got bumped..
Still loving my note 10+
I kinda wish I bought the exynos version so i could unlock the bootloader and put roms on it. But the snapdragon on Android 11 is super fast.