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Memory question

I picked up the note 8.0 the other day and I'm really enjoying it, but I looked in the storage section in settings and was perplexed. It shows only 9.78GB of total internal storage available. Is everyone getting that little space? My Nexus 7 had something like 13.5GB free, and my Note 10.1 had around 12GB free. I know you lose a bit due to file system format, etc...but over 6GB of 16? That seems messed up.
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ExploreMN said:
I picked up the note 8.0 the other day and I'm really enjoying it, but I looked in the storage section in settings and was perplexed. It shows only 9.78GB of total internal storage available.
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I saw in another thread in one of these xda Note 8.0 forums about folks mentioning the same thing, so I'm pretty sure it is not just you. Yeah, it is disappointing.

Yup. Samsung are taking massive chunks for system memory these days.
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Nexus 7, plain android. Note 8, touchwiz, plus lots of bloat.
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Warrior1975 said:
Nexus 7, plain android. Note 8, touchwiz, plus lots of bloat.
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4GB of bloat above and beyond vanilla Android??? In a mobile OS like Android, that's a lot of bloat when you figure the average large app (not including games) is still near or under 25MB. That's about 160 apps at 25MB each!
Anyway, it kind of sucks. If they are going to eat up that much space with sheet they should make it with 24GB of storage so that when they sell a 16GB device it actually has 16GB!!! Ah well...I'm just *****ing now.

Don't have my device on me, but a df might tell how much of the /system partition's actually in use. My memory is that it's only about 60% or so.
parted can probably be used to resize /system but unless it's adjacent to /data, you'll want to take very careful notes before attempting that surgery.
Fortunately, you can use uni-init or term-init.sh to enable init.d scripts and then mount the sdcard as if it were internal storage. Most of my app data is written to my sdcard using that technique.

But we have an sd card slot, my N7 doesn't. Thats a nice addition to have.
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ExploreMN said:
4GB of bloat above and beyond vanilla Android??? In a mobile OS like Android, that's a lot of bloat when you figure the average large app (not including games) is still near or under 25MB. That's about 160 apps at 25MB each!
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Its not just bloat (apps) but OS (ROM) itself takes up more memory once the manufacturers start to add their proprietary "skins" to vanilla Android. Think of the extra features like Multi-Window and Smart Stay. That stuff takes up space, and the stock ROM is pretty huge (over 1 GB, I believe).
Not to mention, Sammy probaby reserves a chunk more on the ROM partition, in case they want to add more features on future updates.
Its very much the same on HTC devices, as well. On my One X, its also got 16 GB of memory, but only 9.93 GB available as storage.
ExploreMN said:
Anyway, it kind of sucks. If they are going to eat up that much space with sheet they should make it with 24GB of storage so that when they sell a 16GB device it actually has 16GB!!! Ah well...I'm just *****ing now.
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It would be nice if they actually reported the "user accessible storage" amount, like saying "16 GB memory, with 10 GB user accessible". Since saying how much memory the device has, without telling us how much of it is sucked up by the OS, is kinda useless information.
It would have also been nice, if they had offered a 32 GB version in the US.

No companies report true information like that. Just like cars they give you hp at crank, instead of at wheels, where there is around a 20% difference. Same concept here.
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Warrior1975 said:
No companies report true information like that. Just like cars they give you hp at crank, instead of at wheels, where there is around a 20% difference. Same concept here.
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Its more like the car company telling you the gas tank holds 16 gallons, when you can in fact only "use" 10 gallons of the gas tank.

I was trying out the demo set of Note 8 the other day at many different shops and were shock to see the the "available storage" on all the Note 8 were about 3.5GB to 3.8GB. I thought that being a demo set, it could be that there were many apps and useless stuff installed by other users. I've tried deleting useless data and uninstalling apps on 1 of them (resetting options were greyed out in settings) and still couldn't go above 4GB. I asked the staff and they confirmed that the "available storage" is that low. My question is whether the Note 8 used for demo were "different" from those that were for sale. It's quite unbelievable that all the Note 8 I saw (about 10 numbers at different shops) having so low storage available. That's one major reason I have not get my set yet.

teslap said:
I was trying out the demo set of Note 8 the other day at many different shops and were shock to see the the "available storage" on all the Note 8 were about 3.5GB to 3.8GB. I thought that being a demo set, it could be that there were many apps and useless stuff installed by other users. I've tried deleting useless data and uninstalling apps on 1 of them (resetting options were greyed out in settings) and still couldn't go above 4GB. I asked the staff and they confirmed that the "available storage" is that low. My question is whether the Note 8 used for demo were "different" from those that were for sale. It's quite unbelievable that all the Note 8 I saw (about 10 numbers at different shops) having so low storage available. That's one major reason I have not get my set yet.
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Looking at the numbers your talking about, it looks like that demo unit had 8GB of internal memory. The units that are available for purchase are 16gb units and have about 10GB of free space on them for apps etc. In addition to this you also have the microSD card slot that allows for extra storage for media files etc but not applications.
If you are willing to root your device, you are able to use external storage for app data as well though. I should be receiving my 16gb wifi note 8.0 this evening (fingers crossed it has been delivered to the store) and will be using a 64gb microSD card in conjuntion with an app called FolderMount in order to use it to transfer application data from the internal storage thus allowing me to install more apps and games.
If your holding out for a 32gb model you may be waiting a while though as the website customer services and samsung store employees told me that they are not aware of a release day for a higher capacity device.
The storage data I talk about is true for the UK, I dont know if it would be the same where you are, but from what I can tell, all note 8.0s are 16gb capaciity at the moment. Hope that helps.

hertsjoatmon said:
Looking at the numbers your talking about, it looks like that demo unit had 8GB of internal memory. The units that are available for purchase are 16gb units and have about 10GB of free space on them for apps etc. In addition to this you also have the microSD card slot that allows for extra storage for media files etc but not applications.
If you are willing to root your device, you are able to use external storage for app data as well though. I should be receiving my 16gb wifi note 8.0 this evening (fingers crossed it has been delivered to the store) and will be using a 64gb microSD card in conjuntion with an app called FolderMount in order to use it to transfer application data from the internal storage thus allowing me to install more apps and games.
If your holding out for a 32gb model you may be waiting a while though as the website customer services and samsung store employees told me that they are not aware of a release day for a higher capacity device.
The storage data I talk about is true for the UK, I dont know if it would be the same where you are, but from what I can tell, all note 8.0s are 16gb capaciity at the moment. Hope that helps.
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Thanks. I will go back to check with store on whether their demo set were the 8GB or 16GB version. I've googled for the tech spec on Note 8 and all comes with 16GB or 32GB. The nearest match to 8GB will be on a Tab2. Thanks again and I'm from Singapore.

Alright, I have checked with the store assistance and it was confirmed that at hit on display were Wi-Fi only and it's only at 8GB. I'm a happy owner of Note 8 now and it has 8.7GB of available storage.
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How much storage will be available on the 16gb??

As many of you, I'm considering the 16gb model. I have like 2gb of music and another few for apps. My question is, after the OS how much space can we expect to have.

On my Nexus 5, 12.55 GB formatted/installed with no apps installed, which isn't really a possible scenario. FWIW, I have 3.52GB of apps installed, a few megs of images and other, and 517MB of cached data and have 6.4GB left.
Before installing the Marshmallow official version, I was routinely running into storage problems just with downloaded/cached music after a few months of use.

Yeah I was kinda thinking that around 12gb would be free. I have a galaxy s6 now and there is like 9 gb of "other" storage which is prolly all the Verizon crap in addition to the OS.

Something to consider.
I'm on the marshmallow Preview on my Nexus 6 and I've noticed the OS seems to cache higher amounts of data. I'm constantly seeing 1gb cache in my storage and clearing it. Not sure of this is a marshmallow thing or just some weird quirk with the preview build

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Something to consider.
I'm on the marshmallow Preview on my Nexus 6 and I've noticed the OS seems to cache higher amounts of data. I'm constantly seeing 1gb cache in my storage and clearing it. Not sure of this is a marshmallow thing or just some weird quirk with the preview build
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How much space is the preview build?
I preorderd a 16 and 32 and will return one obvi but want to be safe and not regret not getting enough space down the road.

I went 32 just to safe than sorry. Currently my usage on the Nexus 5 I would have 6GB of free space on a 16 model. I got the 32GB in case I decided put my music and a couple of videos on my phone for vacation trips I will be taking this year.
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I saw an unboxing video from a tech blog in India and it showed around 10.6GB available on the 16GB model.

Tidbits said:
I went 32 just to safe than sorry. Currently my usage on the Nexus 5 I would have 6GB of free space on a 16 model. I got the 32GB in case I decided put my music and a couple of videos on my phone for vacation trips I will be taking this year.
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That's been my thinking as well. 32GB is really the minimum if you want to have some media files on hand for those (admittedly rare) moments when there's no internet connection.
I don't need my entire music collection or video collection, just a few albums and a couple HD episodes or a movie as backup. Oh and a few games, most of which are getting into the 2GB+ sizes (Hearthstone, etc.)
Also if someone intends to record 4k videos it would be advised not to go with the 16GB version.

Hopefully this won't be a problem at all. I imagine we will get "lite" roms and such. Something tells me it will be manageable.

mpetruzz said:
As many of you, I'm considering the 16gb model. I have like 2gb of music and another few for apps. My question is, after the OS how much space can we expect to have.
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As its a pure android phone the software won't take a large space.I think 12.5 GB will be available for users.I don't think 16 GB model is right choice but if you doesn't download many apps and games then its a good option.

IamAlexD said:
As its a pure android phone the software won't take a large space.I think 12.5 GB will be available for users.I don't think 16 GB model is right choice but if you doesn't download many apps and games then its a good option.
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It's already been shown in video that the available space in the 16 GB is around 10.6 GB. As previously stated in the thread.
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EeZeEpEe said:
It's already been shown in video that the available space in the 16 GB is around 10.6 GB. As previously stated in the thread.
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Are they sure nothing was installed? For example Google story can take 3-4 GB if you download the stories.
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Tidbits said:
Are they sure nothing was installed? For example Google story can take 3-4 GB if you download the stories.
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Pretty sure they went to settings, storage and under "Total space" was 10.6 GB. I gotta find the video but forgot which one it was.
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EeZeEpEe said:
Pretty sure they went to settings, storage and under "Total space" was 10.6 GB. I gotta find the video but forgot which one it was.
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Pay me no mind I got the 32GB. Honestly if I just stick with my most use apps I would only need 8GB on the phone. I got the 32GB only because I am taking a lengthy vacation. Might want to carry a few movies and also might take a lot of photos and videos while out and about.
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Tidbits said:
Pay me no mind I got the 32GB. Honestly if I just stick with my most use apps I would only need 8GB on the phone. I got the 32GB only because I am taking a lengthy vacation. Might want to carry a few movies and also might take a lot of photos and videos while out and about.
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Ditto. 32GB ordered and I still have Sprint grandfathered original unlimited data so I stream all my music and video. Can't go wrong with double the space for $50.
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Note: if a Google Play Music user, be sure to disable "Cache during playback" and you'll save yourself some space.
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32 gb

I have note 5 64 GB. I have few games yet I don't really play them so I can do without them. I have a lot of music on it cuz you know that's why I bought 64gb phone. I don't shoot a lot of 4k vdos. I do take a lot of pics. Back them up on Google photos important ones on PC.
And now I have 30 GB free. Do you think without few games and lesser music I can live with 32gb phone? Looking to get pixel xl 32gb...
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Having the same dialema coming from LG G4 with 32gb on board and 32gb as card.

that is totally for you to answer.

I bought the 32gb XL. I came from a 64gb N6 and used around 26.5gb on that phone. But alot of it was pictures for me and since I use Google Photos for my backup, they didn't transfer to my new phone.
So my advice for you is to look at how much space your pictures take up and subtract that from how much you're using now.
BTW, the 32gb has 29.70gb available storage.

6GB or 8GB RAM?

Does anyone know the difference with performance on something with 6GB vs 8GB? Negligible you think?
I remember a side by side of the S8+ with 4GB vs 6GB.
I guess really for double the storage & an extra 2GB of RAM for $60 more, it's almost a no brainer.
However, i'm just trying to get an idea from those of you who know more about RAM in phones than I do to chime in.
I'm also guessing it's normal to bump the RAM every time you bump the storage. At least I am starting to see that in some newer phones, (don't see a 128GB 5T with 6GB) but not all. You don't see the Pixels like that (and still with 4GB).
Seems to be RAM is all over the place & I always thought cost was the factor, but if OP can do 6GB & 8GB it doesn't appear to be that.

well, in my opinion, 6GB of RAM is more than enough for the average user. but if you're really really looking for performance, pick the 8GB version, obviously.

why they even have a model with 6gb/64gb.

I've seen a few comparisons of both version of the OnePlus 5. The device with 8GB of RAM was able to keep many more apps in memory (obviously). This led to much fewer app redraws.

I chose the 8GB option, because I want this phone to last me 2 years, and I am thinking about what may be needed for Android P and Android Q updates/ROMs in the future

The 8GB is for "power" users who cycle through a lot of apps
128 GB is for people who have a lot of apps and record a lot of video/need to store a lot of data
This is what the head of OnePlus marketing said in an interview. I don't think the 8GB is meant for future-proofing the phone
As explained in the interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_zhRWHwk4

the_reckoner1_1 said:
The 8GB is for "power" users who cycle through a lot of apps
128 GB is for people who have a lot of apps and record a lot of video/need to store a lot of data
This is what the head of OnePlus marketing said in an interview. I don't think the 8GB is meant for future-proofing the phone
As explained in the interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_zhRWHwk4
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I did see that interview. I know the intention is for power users, but it is my personal view that 8GBs will serve me better in the future, than 6GB.
I intend to use the phone for 2 years at least, and so if official updates stop after a year and a bit, I have the option to install a custom rom.

i'll go for the 64GB one, i currenlty have the OPO sandstone 64gb, and never handled to fill it. Also i dont really feel like 8gb ram are usefull atm...

8GB for me.

It's really 64gb vs 128 gb. 6 gb of ram is plenty. 8gb is for bragging rights only.
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barondebxl said:
It's really 64gb vs 128 gb. 6 gb of ram is plenty. 8gb is for bragging rights only.
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When the two were tested (side-by-side OnePlus 5), the 8GB model, naturally was able to keep many more apps in memory. Don't know if I would consider that bragging rights, but I would consider it better.

8GB is a gimmick, but hey, if you want it, the option is there lol.

Baldilocks said:
When the two were tested (side-by-side OnePlus 5), the 8GB model, naturally was able to keep many more apps in memory. Don't know if I would consider that bragging rights, but I would consider it better.
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Of course it's better. But is it that much better? I don't think so. I think the storage difference is more of a difference than the ram.
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barondebxl said:
Of course it's better. But is it that much better? I don't think so. I think the storage difference is more of a difference than the ram.
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I ordered the 8GB 128. Figured the storage was worth the $60 & the 2GB extra RAM was a bonus. Don't know if there will be any noticeable differences, but I don't care that much.
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quickstang said:
I ordered the 8GB 128. Figured the storage was worth the $60 & the 2GB extra RAM was a bonus. Don't know if there will be any noticeable differences, but I don't care that much.
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Totally agree. For $60 you get double the storage and 2 gb of extra ram, why not. I just think those of us who go 6GB of ram will be just fine.
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daniel-t said:
I chose the 8GB option, because I want this phone to last me 2 years, and I am thinking about what may be needed for Android P and Android Q updates/ROMs in the future
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I feel the same way..can't wait til it gets here, ordered first thing this morning!

8gb for bragging right

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8gb for bragging right
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I rather brag about the pricing of the 5T =P

I went with the 8GB/128GB model because the 4GB/64GB of the S8+ Dual Sim was a deal breaker for me. I currently have 2 Samsung S6's with 64GB storage. I needed all that space to hold all the data imported from the 2 phones and have the dual sim functionality. If the S8+ DS had a 128GB variant, I would've considered purchasing that instead.

If like myself you have several play lists, root, rom, keep nandroids and titanium backups, and video its 128GB.

64gb enough on the pixel?

Is 64gb truly enough? I had a I phone X with 64gb however I could never fill it up it was always somewhere around 25gb no matter how many pictures or apps I had. I currently have a 6T and it really doesn't seem to be the case on Android, I mean I have a few apps installed, barely any pictures and already hitting 30gb used storage. Really wanted the white pixel 3 xl in white at 128gb but right now it has a 5-6 weeks delay and thinking of settling for a 64gb instead.

I had an OG XL and my wife a small Pixel both with 32. The only time it would get close for them was if I had more than one TWRP backup saved. With the 3, she went with 64 and I went with 128 just because. I can't imagine using that much. I am sure 64 would have been fine. Keep in mind, I store almost no video (taken or D/L) on the phone. YMMV based on that.

When I was on the LG g6 with 32 gigs I was running out of memory and could not get anything to the SD card to save my life (or memory) but with this phone and all of the same apps loaded I am running about 32 gigs of apps installed and with my music downloades brings it up to 43 gigs I got the 128 gig version. I don't want to say I regret getting it as there is always more stuff I can put on my phone, but if there was a substantial difference in the prices between the 64 and 128 (more than there is now) then I would have gotten the 64 knowing what I know now.

For me, 64 has been totally fine. 128 is nice, but given no sd card, i never keep the same data on my phone forever, you get photo backup etc.

I contemplated for some time before purchasing mine. After using my Pixel 2 XL 128gb for a year i was well under half storage used when I sold it. As I tend to upgrade yearly this time I went with 64.

mac208x said:
Is 64gb truly enough? I had a I phone X with 64gb however I could never fill it up it was always somewhere around 25gb no matter how many pictures or apps I had. I currently have a 6T and it really doesn't seem to be the case on Android, I mean I have a few apps installed, barely any pictures and already hitting 30gb used storage. Really wanted the white pixel 3 xl in white at 128gb but right now it has a 5-6 weeks delay and thinking of settling for a 64gb instead.
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You could get the black 128 and get a white Dbrand skin and turn your 3 XL into a panda .

mac208x said:
Is 64gb truly enough? I had a I phone X with 64gb however I could never fill it up it was always somewhere around 25gb no matter how many pictures or apps I had. I currently have a 6T and it really doesn't seem to be the case on Android, I mean I have a few apps installed, barely any pictures and already hitting 30gb used storage. Really wanted the white pixel 3 xl in white at 128gb but right now it has a 5-6 weeks delay and thinking of settling for a 64gb instead.
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I think with the unlimited storage on google photos, it might be okay to have 64GB for the average person. I personally need AT LEAST 128GB because I love to take videos with my phone and I also have over 2500 songs that I put on it as well. Also, apparently google claims that google photos will back up your videos in full reso (1080p & 4k), but I've heard it actually saves it in 720p. So for me, keeping videos at full reso is very important and will most likely end up eating away at my storage the longer I have the phone.