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So, I have a new Note7 with the green battery icon (yuck) and life is good. I have a flight in about 2 weeks. It's not super long, but around 4 hours. I usually enjoy using my phone to read, listen to white noise, or watch some shows. Has anyone flown since the recall? Can I expect pushback from the security or airline staff? Has anyone actually had to turn theirs off even though they have the ugly, green icon?
I guess I'll probably grab and old-fashioned book just in case, but was just wondering what the state-of-affairs is like in the air for us now.
I've flown with my replacement, and there was no issue. No one asked about it at any point. I have a case on it, so it doesn't stand out to most people as anything other than the countless other phones they see each day.
Nobody will know what phone you have. They might announce on the plane "if you have a Note 7, please turn it off" but they don't check everyone's phone to see what model it is. Just use it.
It's not a security issue, and the TSA is clueless anyway, so they won't know or care what phone you have.
Sounds good. I know I'm not putting anyone in danger, so I won't bring any attention to myself or my phone. I did call Southwest, and the lady on the phone told me per regulation I would not be able to power it up; however, I doubt anyone is going to say anything. I'll probably avoid pulling out the S-Pen just in case. That really sort of announces you are using a Note series phone.
As a Pilot with Air Canada there was an initial memo on the Note 7. The service directors do make a P.A.
There has been no update since saying what battery to look for etc. There has been no new directive from Transport Canada, or the FAA regarding new models.
That said, I have my new one and am on day 1 of my 4 day pairing with it.
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
I've confronted Samsung with the FAA advisory and haven't gotten an answer yet. My demand was that the replacement phone be marked clearly on the exterior or the phone be renamed, like Note 7s or something.
Instead I've gotten an identically looking replacement. I've sent a followup mail to the support. Let's wait and see.
Meanwhile to me the device is utterly useless for flying, thus it rests in its original box.
I seriously hope that Samsung is in contact with the FAA at all regarding this issue, because if not they might as well have a second wave of replacements on their hands.
i flew about a week and a half ago. i don't myself have a note 7 but i do remember 1 out of 4 boarding gates did make an announcement if u have a note 7 they "ask" it to be powered down. nothing saying it was mandatory. i would think tsa would have to be involved at security check in. they are the only ones who will physically see everyones phones. that will cause a huge problem because lots of people have no idea how to tell what kind of phone u have. they would be holding up everyone with a samsung phone no matter what version it is
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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I think we were on the same flight. Lol
They don't have a clue. I used mine the whole flight. Texting, listening to music, watching a movie and reading magazines.
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Three out of four legs on a Delta flight last week mentioned it.
And now I have my reply from Samsung: They don't care about the FAA advisory. They are stating that the green battery icon, they put in the software is enough.
Heck you could get that stupid icon by installing a theme or a ROM if you so wish.
I don't know how Samsung believes it's seriously competing with anyone, let alone Apple, with that kind of customer service.
MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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That pretty much sums it all up in one sentence. It's all one big farce!
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MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one.
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Ryland Johnson said:
Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one. [emoji14]
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They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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apprentice said:
They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft
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No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?
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No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?
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It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know. Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
Fires cause plane crashes yes, but how many are due to someone's phone? Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices. That includes cameras, laptops, music players etc. Something that an airline would never do because it would lose them fare paying passengers, money is more important than safety.
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It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know.
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We've got known crashes due to fires, vs. no known or even suspected crashes due to drunk passengers (but yes, as with almost anything, we'll "never know" beyond any possible doubt).
Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
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It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices
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The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices.
Gary02468 said:
It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
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I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through. I have witnessed it many times. What happens when someone becomes drunk during a flight? Do they say.. "That's illegal, lets open the door and kick you out?" Obviously not they have to let that passenger continue and consider more drastic actions if that passenger endangers the aircraft. Again this happens a lot. The emphasis on "Endangering"
Gary02468 said:
The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices
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Where did you get this 100 times figure from? How many genuine cases of fires were there? It is still a tiny risk, considering the amount of Note 7's produced, the probability of a passenger owning one, the probability that it will catch fire whilst not being charged or unattended, the probability that the owner has a replaced Note 7 anyway. This would be the same probability of another of the tens of thousands of battery powered devices carried on aircraft in any given day. So no, it's a knee jerk reaction from airlines and it's only become like that due to over inflated sensationilised news coverage and social media.
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I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through.
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Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Where did you get this 100 times figure from?
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Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?
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Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?
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Jeez... did you go to the school of pedantic?? Your statement is really nit picking. I am not stupid, I do know it's illegal, what I was expressly implying was that even if just one person got on a plane drunk, they are effectively being allowed. OK? I was not suggesting for one minute that I disputed it wasn't legal.
In relation to your other facts, it's all pie in sky (no pun intended) over half a million Note 7's were replaced a week ago, so I am estimating in another week or so 90% or more of the batch will have been replaced. So I am saying the chances are miniscule of a Note 7 causing such an issue. It won't stop stupid people ranting about how dangerous this device is. People love to scaremonger and people love to knee jerk.
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions
You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
P.S. I still think that N7 IS the best phone money can buy at the moment and I was PRO for a second excange. Anyway I will buy Note 8 on preorder next year.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
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Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
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Because they are powered off.
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
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Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
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Again, they are powered off.
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
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You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
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I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
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We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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calinormy said:
You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
I think samsung should and will find the actual issue soon enough, don't think they'd move further without knowing for sure what happened. That said, chances are it'll still be too late for note7, unless, hopefully, they find out there was never an issue to begin with or if the solution is completely software and able to implement it in time.
Let's use the 'explosive' words more careful than the media. There was never an actual explosion (which denotes a violent reaction associated with a shock wave) unless I have missed such event.
This defect probability appears to be quite low. That would explain why Canadian or European market, much smaller, didn't account in burning reportings yet.
Finally, I was reading thru the note's manual the other day. It is clear that it's expected from the owner a decent amount of care in using the device as, for instance, it states, amongst other things, that one should not wear it in his back pocket or sit on it to avoid it catching fire.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions
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If you want to keep the phone, go for it! You talk sense and you'd be absolutely annoyed at yourself if you listened to the majority of the blind leading the blind on here rather than your own intuition. Keep it! For now at least. Fools rush in. Don't be a fool.
its a dead story now, the media crapple fans have won. they have single handily destroyed the best phone ever created/produced. with apple falling and the public hoping to cash in. it was a perfect storm, a **** storm at that! i traded my safe note 7s in on monday, it was becoming obvious this was not going to go away. i hated to do it, and will be first in line next year for the note 8, or whatever it may be called
jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.
I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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If, being powered off and not charging is not making them to 'explode' (they all like the word explode, even if it is nothing like this...), why all the shipping companies are making such a big deal in not accepting to ship back the returns (powered off and in no way connected to chargers)?
How come, no unit which was on display in the showrooms, always connected to charging and handled by hundreds of people in all the possible ways, was not 'exploding'? This is real 'luck' for Samsung...
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I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
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Here's the funny thing. the video from the surveillance camera...... YOU DONT SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WOMANS HAND.
azzicles said:
Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.
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Is there a case of one going up in smoke that was fully powered off? If so, I retract my comments, but would like a link to that information before doing so. The ones I've heard of were all powered on at the time.
23 cases reported to the cpsc since Sept 15. They are happening...it's just that not everyone instantly calls the verge.
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My guess is that those devices could have a faulty battery protection circuit that is attached straight to the battery(inside battery case). Those usually make the lithium batteries go boom when You mess with them. Although I tried shorting out this circuit once and all what happened was pretty much a discharged battery to 0% within a second and it wouldn't charge.
But. In case of those Note 7 explosions I think that this circuit gets waaay too hot and the electrolyte inside the battery is starting to boil and a chemical reaction goes off and BOOM!
Now time for the conspiracy theory with facts
Apple. That is the answer! Apple hired a group of people all around the USA to somehow burn their phones and to make sure that it will look like the battery exploded(hair dryer to the back of the phone?)
News say that most Note 7s are exploding in USA. And this way people would start hating Samsung because their phones aren't safe. And would buy iPhones! Well.. they failed. News report that most people after leaving Note 7 go for S7 Edge.
What do You guys think? Both about the realistic theory and the conspiracy theory?
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
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https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
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That's a very reasonable petition and I thought for a moment about signing it.
However, I decided not to, and I'll explain why: Clearly the Note 7 has some safety issues and although we might debate how much of a risk it is, the fact remains that too many have been catching fire and this should not be happening in a properly designed and manufactured device. That being the case, it is unavoidable that Samsung had to stop selling them, especially if it could not be 100% certain what the cause of the fires has been.
Under these circumstances, I think it is fantasy to imagine that Samsung is going to dedicate development resources onto a withdrawn phone with a VERY limited user base. Asking for Nougat is a complete waste of time: it simply is NOT going to happen, ever. Since we can expect ZERO updates, then whether we like it or not, the phone is effectively finished. You'd be mad to plan on keeping long term an expensive product that will get no security or other updates ever.
What I *would* petition for is for Samsung to release a Note 7 mk II at the soonest opportunity. The Note 7 mk II would be a Note 7, identical in every respect except for the overheating problem fixed. I'd switch to one of those in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately, I don't think Samsung are going to do that. I think they want to ditch the Note 7 entirely, because of the bad publicity. And I don't think we will see a new S-pen Samsung untll fall 2017, and it won't be called a Note. I think this is a shame.
In a chat with US Cellular I was just told "with the recall, it will not be able to stay on your account much longer, due at some point, Samsung will be turning off all the phones on all carriers."
I asked when but she said they do not know the date yet.
She also said I could re activate my Note 7 (which I didn't think was allowed) if the Note 5 I purchased online doesn't work properly.
It is inevitable.
They will try to get everyone to return or exchange their Note 7s first. And then this kill switch to reach out to those who has been living under a rock.
Unless you root the device and circumvent the kill switch.
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Novarider said:
As stated we know your position on the subject. If you returned your phone why are you even still on the note 7 forum? Go troll somewhere else.
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My phone is on the way back.
But I'm sticking around because I still want to know what happened with the Note 7.
You know, it's like losing your loved ones in an accident, you gotta wait for the autopsy report.
BozQ said:
My phone is on the way back.
But I'm sticking around because I still want to know what happened with the Note 7.
You know, it's like losing your loved ones in an accident, you gotta wait for the autopsy report.
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I can understand that. That is until you start saying things like people "have a problem" and there is "something wrong" with people because they still have a note 7. Br0adband has said these things and worse.
Novarider said:
As stated we know your position on the subject. If you returned your phone why are you even still on the note 7 forum? Go troll somewhere else.
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what is more laughable is that he has never owned one. From memory he had/has an S7E and was thinking about upgrading (before all the shxtstorm).
I am willing to suffer a phone sizzle if it means I get a few more weeks with this fantastic phone. I understand the risks, they are significantly low, but I also understand the impact of a total battery failure (running without the 256G SD card currently to avoid damage to it in the event of the phone internally melting).
I do not appreciate BrOadbands incessant drilling of existing N7 users, worse than a 19 year old cop doing the "respect my authority" thing.
Only 2 phones have cooked in Australia, from the original batch (1 was a forum member on Whirlpool forums, the other Samsung indicated when they were quoting numbers), we were getting the second batch a bit later than you guys in the US which may have meant slightly improved production process (made in Vietnam though, if that means anything).
I am however(unfortunately) getting this replaced, as I do fly and the American FAA getting a bit nervous and doing the banning meant globally all airlines followed not to mention that Samsung are giving some financial incentives that may not last forever to replace with S7E/S7 (got told almost 2 weeks ago now by a local Samsung phone rep "your S7E is coming within 21 days"...)
I think part of the product pull by Samsung was not about an inherent fault in all units, but some inevitable butt covering, since the product reputation was tainted, no way to recover from that, the phone would be impossible to sell with all the transportation bans, and how many different battery icon colours could they use to indicate if you owned a v1,2 or 3 lol.
I do believe it had a higher than normal failure rate though, esp in the US, my speculation is the soft construction of the battery was allowing it to get sufficiently distorted during assembly that some further condition was causing battery failure for those excessively distorted (such as plate to plate crystal growth).
Edit: look at this discussion about li-ion failure modes: http://www.mpoweruk.com/lithium_failures.htm
Essentially, it says that the anode SEI layer can break down in as low temps as 80degC including from external heating. I know when we had that dodgy Ocululus update, my CPU when I checked was over 70degC and the whole phone was very warm due to very high current draw due to the max CPU load. So heat from both current draw from the battery, and external heat from the CPU getting toasty would not have helped any phone where the battery was also a little squashed/distorted when packed into the phone during assembly.
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NO Turn Off but will only be able to Use 60% battery from 1st Nov
just now got Notification on phone
http://www.samsung.com/ae/note7exchange/
Still holding on to it to Exchange it with the Galxy S8
ilordvader said:
NO Turn Off but will only be able to Use 60% battery from 1st Nov
just now got Notification on phone
http://www.samsung.com/ae/note7exchange/
Still holding on to it to Exchange it with the Galxy S8
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Are you in the UK?
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im in Dubai
Hope this Helps -
Is there a way to disable updates without root?
This update is meant to correct all those replacement phones that run at 100% battery. Since this was found to be 1 of 3 suspected issues with the phone igniting the second time too
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CerveCesar said:
This update is meant to correct all those replacement phones that run at 100% battery. Since this was found to be 1 of 3 suspected issues with the phone igniting the second time too
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Would have preferred they nerfed the CPU instead. And disable fast charge and wireless charging. All to prevent it from generating too much heat. Limiting to 60% probably isn't going to help much.
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If the battery has any charge at all it can still "explode" I am not sure this would make the device any less of a risk than a 100 charged battery. Sure the fire might be less but it would still pack a punch.
Really disabling fast charge would be more beneficial I would think.
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Aaaaand...my Note 7 just got nerfed. Forced update.
Oh well, I won't be holding on to this phone for another 4 days. Then it's out of my hands.
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BozQ said:
Aaaaand...my Note 7 just got nerfed. Forced update.
Oh well, I won't be holding on to this phone for another 4 days. Then it's out of my hands.
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Did you disable updates packages? If so which ones?
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Sorry. I didn't.
It was powered off for a few days. And I just got my V20. Turned it on to get some files out but I was shocked to find my Note 7 shut off. And then it rebooted and update my unit. And as expected, it was the 60% battery update.
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BozQ said:
Aaaaand...my Note 7 just got nerfed. Forced update.
Oh well, I won't be holding on to this phone for another 4 days. Then it's out of my hands.
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evo4g63t said:
If the battery has any charge at all it can still "explode" I am not sure this would make the device any less of a risk than a 100 charged battery. Sure the fire might be less but it would still pack a punch.
Really disabling fast charge would be more beneficial I would think.
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If you paid any attention to the pictures we were shown about the burned out phones. There was a a complete burn out and the phones were destroyed. Not a single phone was just damaged a little and stopped working. That shows the battery had a complete or near complete charge.
The batteries burned out completely because of the amount of charge held into them. Not because of their chemical composition. If you know what I mean.
If you ever worked with batteries; You'll know they get very hot and can expand as they overcharge. Thus expansion plus the new sharp aluminum frame inside, may have been 1 of the reasons for ignition we believe.
Keeping your charge at 60/80% lowers the risk of ignition by a lot.
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I actually think BroadBand or whatever actually did post a receipt of the purchase, although everyone knows you can find that on the internet. The person is a far-left lib/progressive who thinks their safe spaces are in jeopardy because a phone (Iphone 7 anyone??) may catch fire.
Anyway, I seriously, seriously doubt they will disable the phone completely. You bought the phone, and it is your phone. If you choose to use another battery inside the note 7, then press on (I have heard reports of folks trying this...it worked, but not sure of the specifics. One guy cracked his screen trying to get the battery out).
Plus, it is an FCC violation to disrupt a communications device. You don't know the person's circumstances. They may live on the fringe of civilization and haven't heard the news or didn't get the push. The first person that is harmed because their working phone was disabled will lead to humongous lawsuits.
A Sprint employee in Newnan Georgia told my daughter that Samsung would be shutting off her phone, and it was against the law for her to keep using. They pressured her hard, made her cry (she's young, first time away from home) because she couldn't get in touch with me. She didn't know what to do because she didn't want to get "arrested," which was the implication they were trying to make. She ended up getting pressured in a S7 because she was afraid of getting in trouble (and she is super furious for getting duped). She wanted to keep the phone until the release of the s8. She was in the store to pay her bill and they saw the phone sticking out of her pocket.
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By the way, Samsung has publicly stated that less than half of the phones were returned. That indicates a million or so are still out there.
I promise you, PROMISE YOU, that the very FIRST Note7 to catch fire despite the recall (because not being returned), would be splattered over every news channel.
How many post-recall reports of exploding batteries have we seen??? As far as I can tell, ZERO!!!! Don't mean it won't happen, but I think the danger is over-blown. Samsung did it because of the media coverage. A single injury (if they had not recalled) given the history of the phone would have resulted in 10s of millions of dollars in damages via litigation.
BozQ said:
Aaaaand...my Note 7 just got nerfed. Forced update.
Oh well, I won't be holding on to this phone for another 4 days. Then it's out of my hands.
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Thanks for the Update Bro
wondering what city are you in ?
so i know who got the shut down update 1st
ilordvader said:
Thanks for the Update Bro
wondering what city are you in ?
so i know who got the shut down update 1st
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I'm from Singapore. I'm pretty sure the update was rolled out on 30 October local time here. (GMT+8)
BozQ said:
I'm from Singapore. I'm pretty sure the update was rolled out on 30 October local time here. (GMT+8)
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I got this Notification few days back
so seem all get the Software update at the same time
2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?
I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies
It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell including the one dude charging his phone in his hot vehicle and leaving it there... NO WONDER IT EXPLODED any lithium ion would!
Honestly I think that samsung broke some rule that held back battery tech. They don't want a phone on the market you don't have to bump charge or a whole segment of the technology market would be dead. No need to bump charge? no cables or portable chargers needed any more!
This whole thing disgusts me. I have bought a dozen phones over a dozen years and finally figured I was done with it.... now im not... PURE BS!
What more I can't even believe all the sheep who turned theirs in for another lesser phone for the same price which means another 1+ year of installments. The phone companies are going to be really surprised once these people figure out that they can't get the note7 replacement (s8plus) when its released in a few months and they will come with pitchforks and torches!!!!
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies
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2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?
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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.
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You're missing the point. Some burn.... It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen.
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300,000 is a vast sample for statistical analysis. I'm not missing the point I'm pointing out an undeniable anomaly.
Yet you all choose to ignore cases that have been reported after the recall. I don't quite get that but OK...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.
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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.
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No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.
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...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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LOL hahaha what I meant was you don't need to defend your choice. Just my opinion of course .
mooncraterx said:
It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell................
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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Galaxy S7Image credit: Amarjit Mann
Samsung’s problems with exploding smartphones are showing no signs of abating despite the recall of the Galaxy Note 7 handset.
A man from Canada is currently recuperating from injuries after claiming his Galaxy S7 phone exploded in his hands last weekend.
Amarjit Mann, 34, was hospitalised after suffering second and third degree burns on his hands. He told reporters he was driving when he felt a ‘warmness’ from the handset in his pocket.
Related: Samsung Galaxy S7 review - Still the Android phone to beat?
He told the Winnipeg Sun (via Gizmodo): “I took it out and had it in my hands and it exploded right away.
“When you see smoke, I was shocked. You cannot expect this thing. It was like a nightmare. Imagine if the phone was (at my ear); my whole face would’ve burnt."
Mann said the device actually stuck to his hand and sparks hit him just below the eye.
He now has his still-functioning eyes on legal action saying he plans to sue for personal injury and lost wages.
“I never had such a bad (burn) in my life. People need to be aware of this. It’s like a bomb you can carry.”
Samsung is yet to comment.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...y-hand-says-latest-victim#qZ6opIQHpP4XMwZH.99
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Samsung Galaxy Note 7
Samsung plans to sell refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets, according to a new report.
After two dramatic recalls, termination of manufacturing, and a plea for customers to turn off all Note 7 handsets forever, it was safe to assume Samsung had killed off its latest flagship for good. But a report from The Investor, the Korea Herald’s business blog, suggests that Samsung isn’t quite done with its most fiery phone.
Reporters at the publication, which is based on Samsung’s South Korean home turf, believe that Samsung may begin selling refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets as soon as 2017. One industry source is quoted as saying: “Samsung has not made a final decision yet, but it will likely sell the refurbished Note 7 units next year.”
According to the report, Samsung will likely target emerging markets like India and Vietnam, where low-end phones are typically popular. The Note 7 is a seriously expensive handset, but it’s likely Samsung will drop the price significantly considering the phone’s reputation, and the fact that they’re refurbished models. This would be an excellent chance for Samsung to rid itself of spare Note 7 stock, and recoup some cash in the process.
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samsung galaxy note 7
Samsung first recalled the Galaxy Note 7 on September 2 after an internal investigation uncovered a serious battery flaw that was causing some users’ handsets to explode. The phone maker then had to issue a second recall after it emerged that some replaced handsets were also exploding. The Galaxy Note 7 is now no longer available to purchase, with Samsung reportedly focusing all attention on next year’s Galaxy S8.
Samsung is expected to release its next flagship phone in February or March next year, with a Galaxy Note 8 model confirmed to be coming later in 2017.
Unfortunately, Samsung declined to comment on this article.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...-note-7-phones-apparently#jssR2szXZLC9xU9K.99
Chippy_boy said:
...The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion")...
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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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To OP: There many flaws in your oversimplification of numbers and stats, but I'll point out two that nobody has commented on yet.
1. There are not only 2.5 million Note 7 devices. 2.5 million purchases, but not devices. Remember: 2.5 million Note 7's had to be REPLACED, and most Note 7 owners owned TWO Note 7's. Not one.
There are probably closer to 4-5 million Note 7's out there.
SO, it's probably even less likely that an individual Note 7 will burn than you suggest.
2. The media won't be reporting any more burns because it's old news at this point. Any new burns and the media would simply say, "so what, we've known for months that the Note 7 is a dangerous device." A story like that now wouldn't increase readership. And that's what it pretty much boils down to when it comes to the media nowadays: will this story increase our readership?
The answer is no for a burned Note 7 that was intentionally not returned after being recalled by the manufacturer for being dangerous.
Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.
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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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Chippy_boy said:
No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.
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Exactly what you mentioned above
but to CLARIFY there is ZERO overheating Note7's at all in the UK!!!!
Come on people use your mind to guess who is behind it and who wants keep profit on their side!!!
You do not know?
Psst. It is one company with some fruit in logo
My IP will get probably flagged for this comment.
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Rick GM said:
Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung they still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Cut to the chase. There is so much wrong with buying into ANYTHING media related.
There, fixed it for you. And for all you 'Coincidence Theorists' out there the media IS a "brainwashing machine", NOT your mother or your father.
Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.
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Intelligence and Intuition > Intellect
Clearly user error, explained.
No hardware problem found, nothing to blame, yet it still happened. The only viable reason, the consumers. The stupid, not tech savy consumer I should say.
Imagine a person with little to no experiencd with computer building or a siglr forethought on how hardware operates. Pretty typical.
Now create a super phone and give it to them. (Equivilent to giving a movie star a lambo)
The poor phone works so hard with never closed back ground apps, wifi on, ram maxed out, sync on, gps on, demanding games played, screen full brightness, streaming video and charging all at once.
Clearly this couldn't be the issue. Everyones too smart to let this happen. -_-
I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
This had also crossed my mind, if one owns Note7 until S8 Note8 is released, will samsung be willing to replace Note7 (a flagship device) for the next best thing equivalent at the time S8 Note8 is launched?
Another question also crossed my mind, regardless if I have everything that came with the phone and I am lawful owner of the phone but have no proof of purchase, will smasung still be willing to replace it for me or thats just a pipe-dream?
To my understanding, samsung cannot refuse to replace Note7 to anything but the best thing available at the time, so when note8 S8 is out etc, they shouldnt be offering S7 as a replacement at the time, what do you think?
Also, another thought (bare with me here) , samsung had 96% of 3million devices sold returned, of which 220000 were taken under very intense testing and investigations to reproduce faults and what not, so look at this now, once all is now done and clear to public, they have over 2.5 million note7 in stock that require a new safe battery replacement issue, reboxing and should sell worldwide or in some limited regions for a discounted price as a safe refurbs (some time soon I guess), they wouldnt just burry all that gold worth pile of Note7's now , would they?
I almost sense a new "Note7S" coming out some time very soon, carrying "S" on the back as being SAFE with probably reworked same capacity safe battery or with some 3000mAh battery and free wireless charging backpack battery pack case that samsung was selling for note7 phones.
Your thoughts?
Chippy_boy said:
I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
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Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
xxxMJTxxx said:
Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
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I've got all the updates blocked mate. Have a search on this forum and you'll find plenty of ways to do that, depending on what updates your phone has had already.
Ok
It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
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It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
Thanks
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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Ha Ha I thought so!
I have no root firewall but not sure how to set it up being honest
I had Samsung Billing pushed to me few days ago but for some reason I cannot find it under applications in my mobile so I hope Evil Sam is not hidden there waiting to reactivate.
So really we will see after 31st what is going to happen, I really would hate to go back to Note 3 I still have, however it was also good mobile for few years back ago.
How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
M.
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How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
M.
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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
Chippy_boy said:
Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
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the same update is world wide, altering it for different countries is a minor point as the majority of the changes comes in the form of the bands and network support, if they are removing all network support all they need is something that works on the exynos hardware, also the UK phones are the international phones so they are actually used across a load of countries so it is probably a large portion of the world covered by the same update as the UK.
also as I said there is little need for the networks to do their modifications since they all come in the form of network support that has been removed in this update.
No matter what it's going to be a nightmare. I wouldn't expect it to be as simple as walking into your carrier's store and swapping out for s8 - even though I do remember someone over at Samsung saying there was going to be a discount on "the next big thing". I'm in San Jose so Im going to HQ with mine, f em.
Chippy_boy said:
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones?
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They're probably paranoid about being sued on the off chance someone else's phone blows up. It would be bad press if it happens again, probably followed by ignorant people saying that Samsung should have tried harder to stop it, etc etc, because some people have probably missed the whole thing till now and haven't noticed anything. Plus, Samsung wants to be able to say 100% recalled and returned.
FYI I don't own this device, just trying to answer this question. Maybe all of you who have it should put "Proud owner of the Note 7. Take that Samsung" or something in your sigs lol. It would be kinda funny to see.
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in my country, Mexico, there have not been, any sort of batt capping updates, or any threatening messages about anything! as no burning reports here, the consumer bureau has not issued any order or authorization on the matter, here would be unlawful to capp or restrict the use of a legally owned device, so, all very cool over here
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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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All doesnt matter and all goes against the law, just risk of hazard makes them liable indefinitely until its back at their possession and no harm caused during the time.
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees, again, its not for faint hearted, I was talking from a legal stand point.
Darkness and high-cliff edge walking heights are usually appearing dangerous things for most, until they're certain and know there is nothing dangerous/hazardous in the dark and walking the cliff edge not without protections and precautions, metaphorically speaking.
Take a case where mobile phone gets on fire and one or many people suffers fatal consequences, days, months or even years from now, and investigators dig up samsung note7, who they gonna blame? Who has the case against who? Looking from even early state all cards are against samsung where there disaster happens or not samsung should be waist deep to do whatever necessary to sort their clients out. And yes they can try to attempt "write their own laws" warning consumers, threatening with return closing deadlines, refusing to take back dangerous devices back in, blocking devices, etc its their cards their game against everyone, not that they are more than the majority, I call it one against all and no matter how much money they are worth, it can take just few big cases and they will soon realize what wrong turn things can take, not that they would be willing to take such risks when and if case is brought to the round table.
Heck, even a 3 year ago my 10+ year Honda got a safety recall letter warning about potentially defective airbag systems and all was replaced at surprisingly my convenience cost free, even the car was bought second hand and I am probably 3rd or 4th owner of that vehicle, auto manufacturers know about how this game be played out i suppose, has been in this game before or seen it happen, consequences are clear to them if potential event take place, they would not only put someone deep in dirt, they would be there themselves as a consequence, so they took no risks, and I was pleasantly surprised at the same too how much forthcoming they were to sort this out, and note - this is 10+ year old product, not much different case to the one were talking about here, and I believe if they went this far with thing such as this, how much further they would have taken things if they would have found out that these vehicle models would have been a hazardous risk of fire and explosion while driving, parked at house garage etc? Go beat this statement
BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
Chippy_boy said:
I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
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I've unrooted Note7 also, dont want to touch any mods yet until its definitely necessary
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Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees
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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
While I'd love to see Samsung getting screwed right back, I can't imagine there won't be a final return date of some sort and them actually exchanging the phone for the new models. They just sound too cheap for that
BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Im not going to talk much, but that's not even serious case and analogy is just wrong. Compare this - buying matchbox to light the fire place at home but these matchboxes keep exploding and potentially setting itself on fire on random times (case #1) vs. match box that doesnt have 100% of the content or doesnt light up/doesnt burn every time you strike it (case #2).
Yes, its no brainer about law diminishing returns, if you dont have serious case and intelligent sought trough evidence, plan put together that will be serving to the finish line, and all , dreamland ego and being naive left behind - there is no chance to expect something good coming out of it.
We're talking about life threatening hazardous product here.
Have a great day.
BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Barry, my plan is to take my Note7 back to Samsung when I am ready (and not before) and ask for my money back, which I am very sure they will agree to, since they are obviously so very keen to get it back.
If in the monumentally unlikely event they say, "no, we'd like you to keep it please" (you're not REALLY suggesting that are you???!?) then I can file a small claim online in 20 minutes. It's a total no-brainer.
Sorry to disappoint you.