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Hi folks
I'm considering getting the S III but am not sure about the screen durability as i've heard a lot of mixed reviews. How durable is it? Looking at some break tests on youtube suggests that the screen is a lot more sensitive as compared to other phone. Is that true?
btw, what is a good case for this device ?
Thanks!
denny_1986 said:
Hi folks
I'm considering getting the S III but am not sure about the screen durability as i've heard a lot of mixed reviews. How durable is it? Looking at some break tests on youtube suggests that the screen is a lot more sensitive as compared to other phone. Is that true?
btw, what is a good case for this device ?
Thanks!
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I dunno if this counts, but I keep dropping mine and the only damage so far is a little scratching on the corner of the outer plastic bezel when I dropped it once pretty hard on some rough tar. I haven't seen any other blemishes on the case, and so far no scratching at all on the glass. I loved my Nexus One, but the glass on that scratched pretty easy just sitting in my pocket. Not so with the SIII, no scratches at all on the glass in the 3 mo I've had the phone.
I don't have a case for it.
Bigger the screen... The easier its going to break. Simple.
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Bigger the screen... The easier its going to break. Simple.
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+1 but on the flip side I always baby my phones and with the sgs3 its slim and fits in the pocket just fine. So no issues here for me and this awesome screen.. I highly recommend it to you.
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The gorilla glass on this phone is garbage. ive never dropped a phone and a couple of weeks ago i slid it into my pocket and my pocket was broken. It fell like 2 inches from the ground on to pavement and wrecked the display and the bezel is all dinged up. gonna fix the display and get rid of it
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kobe4rings said:
The gorilla glass on this phone is garbage. ive never dropped a phone and a couple of weeks ago i slid it into my pocket and my pocket was broken. It fell like 2 inches from the ground on to pavement and wrecked the display and the bezel is all dinged up. gonna fix the display and get rid of it
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Similar experience...phone dropped from my pocket while sitting, landed on the corner, cracked screen...probably hit the weak spot on the phone, regardless, shouldn't break that easily IMO..
It is not durable at all compared to my previous phones (gs2, hd2) if you drop it there will be serious cosmetic damage. The plastic is extremely soft.
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Get an Otter Box, you pay that much for a phone then spend an extra 50 bucks to keep it safe.
Get a case if your gonna pick up the GS3... its a beautiful phone but you need to make sure you can protect it... I dropped my phone 4 times since I got it and thank God I bought a case for it. If I didn't have one, then my screen would have been shattered already
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Op, keep in mind all these guys who broke their displays are a small percentage of a whole.
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yea that's why i'm hesitant in buying it (3 actually). The issue seems widespread and if it is a case of bigger screen then it is a serious design flaw or maybe a manufacturing flaw. At this point im probably going to put off buying this phone but let's see if things change
Snook321 said:
Get a case if your gonna pick up the GS3... its a beautiful phone but you need to make sure you can protect it... I dropped my phone 4 times since I got it and thank God I bought a case for it. If I didn't have one, then my screen would have been shattered already
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What case did you buy? What do you like and dislike about it?
Do not have it yet, but Im going for the otterbox defender. Only negative I have heard from some is that the built-in screen protector lacks a bit in terms of looks on screen. Can always remove that tho.
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What case did you buy? What do you like and dislike about it?
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I just bought the generic case from T-Mobile store... its grey. I mean its okay. It gets the job done but I'm looking to get the seidio case with kickstand. I just found that on the top left hand corner of my phone, I have a tiny dent on the side... its irritating the hell outta me but I only see it when I take the case off... guess it could be worse...
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Do not have it yet, but Im going for the otterbox defender. Only negative I have heard from some is that the built-in screen protector lacks a bit in terms of looks on screen. Can always remove that tho.
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The built-in screen protector makes the display look cheap.
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I feel like the S II was way more durable. But that's why I bought insurance for this phone. Never had insurance on any other device. And the fact that I have an extended battery and there really aren't any good cases for extended batteries made me get the insurance.
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It's a phone and it uses glass, it doesn't matter what phone it is if your looking at Youtube and their hitting it with a hammer or dragging a razor over the screen then it's gonna do as expected. It's almost comical that people do these tests considering you spend money on the phone you should be responsible for it and take care of it. Accidents happen and the carriers know this so instead take care of your property, it doesn't matter who made it or what some moron with a hammer says.
all that is fine but generally speaking one does expect some level of durability for a device that costs upwards of $700 dollars, specially if the company is touting the latest and greatest gorilla glass 2 as one of the main features of the phone. Cellphones break when dropped, everyone should know that. But the amount of complaints i've come across regarding the S III and the different ways the screen is getting damaged is quite abnormal to say the least.
Anyway, i'm still debating whether i should pass on this phone or go for it. Anything new coming up in the coming weeks?
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all that is fine but generally speaking one does expect some level of durability for a device that costs upwards of $700 dollars, specially if the company is touting the latest and greatest gorilla glass 2 as one of the main features of the phone. Cellphones break when dropped, everyone should know that. But the amount of complaints i've come across regarding the S III and the different ways the screen is getting damaged is quite abnormal to say the least.
Anyway, i'm still debating whether i should pass on this phone or go for it. Anything new coming up in the coming weeks?
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You never hear the whole story either when people give these reviews, "I had it in my pocket and the screen cracked" turns into I was drunk and fell down the stairs.
I still have all of my devices in perfect shape and it all comes down to how well someone takes care of their things. If your gonna carry the phone in your pocket with your car keys then its gonna happen, I see it all the time and like you said at $700.00 you should act like it's worth it. You want an honest opinion on the device? It's worth every penny but the one thing that would make me warm and fuzzy about it is if HTC built the body. It still feels solid but theres nothing like a well built frame like you would find on the One S or X. No other device comes close to the functionality and multitasking that this one does and I own 8 myself (different devices not all cells.)
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yup the One X is really nice too. Too bad t-mobile doesn't carry it.
I'm going to call t-mobile again and see if i could get a better deal on the S iii's than what they offered me ($179 per phone)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57557541-1/will-the-samsung-galaxy-s4-be-unbreakable/
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Unbreakable my ass.
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Unbreakable my ass.
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Thanks for the constructive comment, I've learned a lot.
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I think is really possible for samsung to build it, i mean if you want to break it...there's no technology that will prevent it. But i see accidentally brakes to become a thing of the past, samsung has come far with its flexible screens(see CES). I don't see flexible screen going to the 'flexible' part of it and more to the 'endurance' part of it. Just because you can bent the screen 180 degrees doesn't make it practical as of today, but i can see a good use to the plastic glass-looking-flexible-screen(just have to make them scratch resistance). I take one please!
I had heard this a few days back...as mentioned above, a truly "unbreakable" screen is a myth and they are misleading you by referring to it as such. An incredibly resistant screen that can avoid breaking under common everyday sorts of accidents though? This I believe. I've seen a few videos around the net featuring some of their experiments with these bendable screens...and they are rather neat. I can honestly see a "flip-phone" style model coming out in a few years (as odd as it sounds)....basically if they keep everything on the phone, except the screen itself, on hinges as two parts...you can fold the phone flip phone style. Pretty neat to think about. I don't see the GS4 featuring this, OR an "unbreakable screen" (I can see this being more realistic for the GS5)...but I have been surprised before
Actually I saw a video of a sample display that Samsung was working on and the user rolled the screen up and unrolled it and started typing on it, it had a dark rim around it and a few lose wires coming from the corner. I thought it was some graphic trick at the time but it was pretty convincing and it was a little bigger than a Note 2 display by the looks of it, more like a tablet display.
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Sony had this tech a while ago. As usual, looks like Samsung will take credit for it, though. I wonder why Sony keeps coming up with things, not protect it or market it, and have someone else take credit for it.
No. Sony had a phone with two screens that folded.
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Orical said:
Actually I saw a video of a sample display that Samsung was working on and the user rolled the screen up and unrolled it and started typing on it, it had a dark rim around it and a few lose wires coming from the corner. I thought it was some graphic trick at the time but it was pretty convincing and it was a little bigger than a Note 2 display by the looks of it, more like a tablet display.
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I saw this video too... I think this video was using "some" tricks and was more of a marketing video, but not an actual production item. It would be cool, but we are a long time from seeing that. I think he also stretched it out at some point too, correct?
Nokia has had prototype flexible screens for years.
Takin a poll on screen protector preferences for the note 2 ,and mainly how the privacys are nice but jack up the screen quality, if not for the pesky cross lines that angle across lcd they would be ok, Seems yeda is a popular brand that presents this .... Any makers of a clearer cleaner Privacy screen protector?
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Ive tried about 4 differerent privacy screen brand and all have a slight issue. Clears way to go.... unless your going to like f4p in public or are on some secret mission noone cares enough to spy on what your doing on phone.
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I personally hate screen protectors in general. It totally crappifies a screen. Why don't you try going for a software solution like Screen Filter?
HAGZ Screen Barrier....might help
We make screen protectors in Southern California from HD Japanese film, but not privacy filters yet. Working on it.
They come with a 3 year warranty; don't bubble up over time. Easy to install and will not peel off. More info on our website Hagzinc. Also available on Amazon and Sears.
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Since ive posted ive torn off my privacy protector and canned it.
Probably just get an hd zagg
I Only use them to protect in pocket use from quarters Pennys and miscellaneous pocket junk that could scratch screen
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boodies said:
I personally hate screen protectors in general. It totally crappifies a screen. Why don't you try going for a software solution like Screen Filter?
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I agree. I am not a fan. I like the flip cover the Note 2 for protecting the screen while in my pocket. My wife on the other hand, puts a screen protector on her phones the minute they come out of the box. She normally gets a lot more for her phones when she sells them but oh well.
I can't go with out some form of screen protector mine has already saved a ton of scratches off mine. But the privacy ones jack things up to much .
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What do you have in your pockets? Screws and nails?
I've not used a screen protector on all my android phones, including ones without gorilla glass. I've never had scratch issues.
Just need to dedicate one pocket specifically for phone and all other stuff in the other pocket.
Aria807 said:
What do you have in your pockets? Screws and nails?
I've not used a screen protector on all my android phones, including ones without gorilla glass. I've never had scratch issues.
Just need to dedicate one pocket specifically for phone and all other stuff in the other pocket.
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Yeah, I think we might be the few. I'm super careful and also put the phone in my pocket facing me (always make sure nothing else in there). Seems to do a great job of keeping all the smudges off. ( I dont have much to begin with but) I seriously can't imagine putting anything on the beautiful screen. But I think for a lot of people who don't pay much attention to these kind of stuff, maybe the protection is worth it. Certainly beats scratches.
I just bought the new glass version from sphein 'sp' i got on a discount from 36 something and paid 21. Its not a film, its 9h hardened glass. Its the best money I have ever spent on screen protection. It really feels like going bareback.
One of the biggest plus's is you wont see single finger print, no sumges, no glare like bareback. The edges are rounded unlike my buddies glass version. His was the first I had ever felt and had to have one. I just didn't know my version had the rounded edges which makes a great deal of "feel" difference and doesn't snag in you pocket like his does. I would say if you can afford it then its atleast worth trying.
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Aria807 said:
What do you have in your pockets? Screws and nails?
I've not used a screen protector on all my android phones, including ones without gorilla glass. I've never had scratch issues.
Just need to dedicate one pocket specifically for phone and all other stuff in the other pocket.
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This!
I dedicate one pocket for phone as well and have never had a scratch that my naked eye could make out. I have had quite a few Android phones over last few years as well.
I do immediately put a case on it though.
Fancy pants Note ||
I don't know how people can get by dedicating a pocket just to a phone.
What about a pen and pad, smokes and lighter, gun and ammo, keys, wallet, sunglasses, knife, not to mention charging cable and adapter...and those are just basic never-leave-home without it essentials?
I love privacy protectors but haven't found one for the note 2 yet. I frequently have to report on people next to or near me and they should not be seeing what I am writing, that is between them and hr, not them and I.
I also need to make adjustments to cad drawings supplied by clients which they should not be privy to, as they are internal company documents at that point. If the client is standing right there, how else to manage that?
Frequently I have to use my MyTouch 4G Slide phone for these things since it still has a privacy protector on it.
Blue6IX said:
I don't know how people can get by dedicating a pocket just to a phone.
What about a pen and pad, smokes and lighter, gun and ammo, keys, wallet, sunglasses, knife, not to mention charging cable and adapter...and those are just basic never-leave-home without it essentials?
I love privacy protectors but haven't found one for the note 2 yet. I frequently have to report on people next to or near me and they should not be seeing what I am writing, that is between them and hr, not them and I.
I also need to make adjustments to cad drawings supplied by clients which they should not be privy to, as they are internal company documents at that point. If the client is standing right there, how else to manage that?
Frequently I have to use my MyTouch 4G Slide phone for these things since it still has a privacy protector on it.
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yeah i dunno where you live to need to carry around gun, ammo, and a knife O_O ... anyways, use a car charger and you won't have to carry around a cable/adapter and i'd just stick the rest of your other things in a backpack ... or something. keys, phone, and wallet are really what i just keep on me.
I just ordered one and cant wait to get it... this phone catches peoples eyes and i hate it when theyre reading my emails and texts etc..
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casperi said:
I just bought the new glass version from sphein 'sp' i got on a discount from 36 something and paid 21. Its not a film, its 9h hardened glass. Its the best money I have ever spent on screen protection. It really feels like going bareback.
One of the biggest plus's is you wont see single finger print, no sumges, no glare like bareback. The edges are rounded unlike my buddies glass version. His was the first I had ever felt and had to have one. I just didn't know my version had the rounded edges which makes a great deal of "feel" difference and doesn't snag in you pocket like his does. I would say if you can afford it then its atleast worth trying.
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Can i get a link
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lojak29 said:
Since ive posted ive torn off my privacy protector and canned it.
Probably just get an hd zagg
I Only use them to protect in pocket use from quarters Pennys and miscellaneous pocket junk that could scratch screen
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I've always used Zagg, and been using the hd version since it came out. I think that they are the best out there
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So i just recieved my privacy guard. I can say i love the way it feels and the thickness. Also that no one can see what im doong
But i did notice some color distortion and that the screen gets a little blurry. But i really dont care. I love it. Its what i have been waiting for
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Spen won't work on any I've tried and I've spent hundreds on different brands. They're all crap for this phone. I've had it almost a year no screen protector and zero scratches. So no more wasted cash
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Rate this thread to express how you think the Samsung Galaxy S7 feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
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The Gorilla Glass is not Scratch Resistant than my old Galaxy S4.
It's the 7th day I'm using the phone. I used the phone like it's my new baby. Still I could see some really minor scratches on the front glass. If putting in the pocket gives me such scratches, Samsung and Corning you both done a bad joke. The phone is already fragile with the glass back. Now, If I have to worry about the front glass, it's not good.
Also, You have to be very careful while holding it as it slippery.
The look is premium but...
Super su
Screams premium. It feels just a bit more premium than Sony Z5. In hands it feels expensive.
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then maybe iphone is for you.
Yeah, the screen is super scratchy. Otherwise everything is great.
I have both iPhone 6S and S7. Samsung did excellent job with S6 and S7. Now phones look and fill premium!
Perhaps you have defects, as this phone has been to hell and back in the past month and it still doesn't have a scratch. I have a case protecting the back and sides, but the front is vulnerable.
The S7 is one of the nicest feeling Android phones I've ever had, although I'm not a fan of glass on the back. The phone feels nice enough I've gotten more premium feeling cases for it than other phones. Right now I have two Obliq cases, the Slim Meta and Flex Pro. Both feel better than anything else I've ever tried.
Good feeling but back is huge fingerprint.
Feels great but I'm afraid of impacts now since it's all glass.
Past samsung galaxies were plastic with maybe a metal trim. Those were bulletproof and didn't need a case.
This version requires protection. Good thing it's thin enough that a jelly case won't alter feel too much and vastly improves grip.
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It seems that the power button is hanging in the middle and is functioning as a flip switch..
Sometimes it starts to operate as a push button, but the next time I use it's seems to be back at flipswitch..
The glass is very scratchy.
Hey guys,
I have a problem with my s7. The home button get scratchy on the left side of it. I've been using it normally with a case. So no way it got the scratches from a table or something else. I've read a lot about the scratchy home buttons on galaxy s7, but here's my question: has someone experience what to do or what we can say to samsung or maybe did u got your replaced or something. Idk it's just screwed up guys u pay so much money for a good looking phone and then it scratches by daily usage.
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Hey guys,
I have a problem with my s7. The home button get scratchy on the left side of it. I've been using it normally with a case. So no way it got the scratches from a table or something else. I've read a lot about the scratchy home buttons on galaxy s7, but here's my question: has someone experience what to do or what we can say to samsung or maybe did u got your replaced or something. Idk it's just screwed up guys u pay so much money for a good looking phone and then it scratches by daily usage.
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It's a known issue for Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge.
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S7 Kills iPhone
I did quite a bit of research before my girlfriend bought her last two phones and the Galaxy consistently ranks as the best phone for the common user. The S6 made some odd choices that compromised the user experience, but the S7 is solid and better than ever. Battery life, performance, size, user experience - in my mind the S7 is the ultimate iPhone killer (for a power user I might suggest upgrading to the Note).
As far as quality feel, go to your local retailer and hold one in your hand for yourself! It feels good in the hand, solid enough, fast as all hell. Yes get a screen protector and a case, but all around this phone is quite sturdy.
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It's a known issue for Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 edge.
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I know man, but what can we/I do ?
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I know man, but what can we/I do ?
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The scratches won't affect the function of the scanner.
Samsung has to come with an official statement, I'm sure they are aware of this issue. And I agree this happens to fast for such a "high end" phone.
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The scratches won't affect the function of the scanner.
Samsung has to come with an official statement, I'm sure they are aware of this issue. And I agree this happens to fast for such a "high end" phone.
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Yes man the scanner works flawlessly but u know what I mean. It's just ugly and so much money for nothing.
They could replace it for free and hope that it's only on some products.
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Yes man the scanner works flawlessly but u know what I mean. It's just ugly and so much money for nothing.
They could replace it for free and hope that it's only on some products.
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It's on all Galaxy S7 products...
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Well, sturdy...
I know, you shouldn't drop a $$$-phone, but it happens sometimes. Didn't have any case or screen protection when it happened, so I guess I'm lucky. I have pretty dents on the upper/lower left/right edges of the frame. The dents did not affect the screen, but it was close...
Now I'm running a Spigen, still looking for a nice screen protector/second glass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOz4Kf5AL7Q
So the gist of it is this. He sharpened his hardness picks, and particles from from the sharpening tool got embedded into the picks. So all if his picks were hardness 8. So every single pick scratched Note 7, hardness 3-8.
When he got brand new picks, only 6 and up were able to scratch Note 7. Which is in line with other Gorilla Glasses.
So Gorilla Glass is not garbage.
How could this happen?
It was believed by those who chose to believe it. He did apologize and correct his error for what that was worth. We move on.
well, he apologized after the damage was done, apology or no apology, the result was the same, he was the first to damage the note 7 image
I don't think it matters now.
All Note 7s are on their way back
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I don't think it matters now.
All Note 7s are on their way back
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You made me laugh. Well done! Gosh, this phone is gonna be so HOT in a few months.
I was ready to believe Gorilla Glass 5 is prone to scratches because Samsung did boast that it's shatter proof, or shatter resistant. That was the drawback.
I think Jerry and Corning discussed about it after his tests and that's how he came to realise that his picks were contaminated from sharpening.
But he took responsibility for it. Unfortunately, by the time he released the second correction video, we were all in the midst of the first recall/exchange programme. And very soon after that, Samsung discontinued the Note 7.
The quality of the Gorilla Glass 5, along with other high class features of the Note 7 was no longer relevant now.
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Only a handful of gullible people ever trusted an uncontrolled, uncalibrated "test" conducted by an untrained, unqualified random guy on the Internet.
Such people tend to be overrepresented on this forum, however, giving the false impression that the report was widely believed.
Forget the glass. I like to know who the knuckle head who manage to overheat his Replacement Note 7 on the Southwest Flight is ?
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Forget the glass. I['d] like to know who the knuckle head who manage[d] to overheat his Replacement Note 7 on the Southwest Flight is[.]
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Huh? His name and background are mentioned in every serious newspaper article that reported the incident. But the phone was turned off and in his pocket when it caught fire. How can you conclude that he was at fault?
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Huh? His name and background are mentioned in every serious newspaper article that reported the incident. But the phone was turned off and in his pocket when it caught fire. How can you conclude that he was at fault?
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Thats not what I heard. I hear some dude was playing video games while waiting for his flight and had the phone charging. After they got in the plane he went to turn it off and it caught fire.
When you turn a phone on or off it heats up quickly as well as when you charge it or play video games in a well light place such as an airport and your screen happens to be a little brighter. Or all those 3 in a deadly combination for that matter.
Now, I'm sure its easy for You who probably does not own a Note 7 to come and critize a crazy comment. But you have no idea what the owners of the Note 7 have gone through in order to return, exchange or hold on to their devices
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Thats not what I heard. I hear some dude was playing video games while waiting for his flight and had the phone charging. After they got in the plane he went to turn it off and it caught fire.
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Uh, you "heard" it from whom? Did you happen to "hear" any evidence that it was true? And by the way, even if it was, that would be a perfectly reasonable way to use the phone. The instructions never suggest otherwise, and the phone itself could easily have been designed to prevent that usage, but was not because there should be no reason to.
But you have no idea what the owners of the Note 7 have gone through in order to return, exchange or hold on to their devices.
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Uh, I owned and exchanged both an original Note 7 and a replacement Note 7. You seem to have a habit of just making things up and saying them without knowing or caring whether they're true.
the whole point of the throttling and disabling of charging and CPU when under the types of condition of playing games while charging (quite a few phones will stop charging) should be in place and should be capable of taking that type of use as it is well known this is a common way people use the phone, if the phone failed because of someone using it in a quite common way the phone is still at fault not the user who would assume that the phone had the same capability as any other device.
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Thats not what I heard. I hear some dude was playing video games while waiting for his flight and had the phone charging. After they got in the plane he went to turn it off and it caught fire.
When you turn a phone on or off it heats up quickly as well as when you charge it or play video games in a well light place such as an airport and your screen happens to be a little brighter. Or all those 3 in a deadly combination for that matter.
Now, I'm sure its easy for You who probably does not own a Note 7 to come and critize a crazy comment. But you have no idea what the owners of the Note 7 have gone through in order to return, exchange or hold on to their devices
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Dude, when I buy a smart phone of this standard (Note 7), i will expect to be able to do all those you've mentioned without it overheating.
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Dude, when I buy a smart phone of this standard (Note 7), i will expect to be able to do all those you've mentioned without it overheating.
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Agreed. I've been very defensive about the whole Note7 saga, but my beef is that people who have bought the phone in good faith should be able to decide for themselves whether the slightly elevated risk of using it (compared to other phones) is a risk they PERSONALLY wish to accept. It's not for Samsung or anyone else to decide for them.
But I have never argued that there is nothing wrong with the Note7 design or manufacturing. Clearly there is, and you would not expect a properly designed and manufactured phones to be overheating in the circumstances described above.
On the GG, if you ever see one person defying the industry and standing on a soap box screaming something that flies in the face of reason, alone, without scientific proof in the future......ignore him. Zack is good but he is not THAT good.