What is the difference between the ROMs from a conceptual standpoint? From my understanding since OnePlus releases all the source code, shouldn't they all be very similar? This isn't meant to bash or compare ROMs, I'd just like to get a better big picture understanding.
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gleggie said:
What is the difference between the ROMs from a conceptual standpoint? From my understanding since OnePlus releases all the source code, shouldn't they all be very similar? This isn't meant to bash or compare ROMs, I'd just like to get a better big picture understanding.
Thanks
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Gotta try'em
As far as I understand it, OP doesn't release all of the source code. They have release some of it, like the code for dash charging, which helps that element be added to roms. Things like the camera source code and other things are not released afaik, so the camera quality is lost on non-oxygen roms.
It's all preferences, me, Slim Roms are the only choice! Hands down the best!
But honestly OnePlus is doing a damn good job with Oxygen and I personally like it better than CM.
I would have never said that a year ago and thought they would have folded by now but man.. they are doing awesome.
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I'm just wondering why there are numerous TW ICS roms being created but basically only one AOSP rom at this time. Why do you guys think that is? Is it just a lot easier to create a TW rom compared to a AOSP rom? My take on it as a user is that there is a bit of trade off when comparing the two.
TW is how the phone is meant to run. All the hardware is working to it's optimal capacity but the UI and options leave much to be desired.
AOSP is a lot sleeker and barebones and has a ton of great features. However, sometimes you can't use your phone to its full capacity (like camera or lack of wimax for ex.)
IDK if this thread has a point...mb i just had too much jack and coke
SantinoInc said:
I'm just wondering why there are numerous TW ICS roms being created but basically only one AOSP rom at this time. Why do you guys think that is? Is it just a lot easier to create a TW rom compared to a AOSP rom? My take on it as a user is that there is a bit of trade off when comparing the two.
TW is how the phone is meant to run. All the hardware is working to it's optimal capacity but the UI and options leave much to be desired.
AOSP is a lot sleeker and barebones and has a ton of great features. However, sometimes you can't use your phone to its full capacity (like camera or lack of wimax for ex.)
IDK if this thread has a point...mb i just had too much jack and coke
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AOSP is developed from source. AOSP roms (typically) are compiled straight from released android source code. This means that the developer must create a device tree for each specific device which they are building for so proprietary things work. Building a touchwiz rom means taking what is already built and fully functional and decompiling/recompiling it with tweaks.
So.. the process required in building from scratch is something that takes more time and testing then that of tweaking a already functional ROM.
Hope that answers your question.
Thank you for the answer good sir. I assumed as much...lots of props to all DEVS but especially the AOSP DEVS. Seems like they really have their work cut out for them!
AOSP dev is easier than TW once you have all the the drivers
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Coming from the nexus family i thought at least that the best selling devices such as G3 and samsung have a great developer community...but in my surprice i was found with the tinies of all...comparing the two best kernels from my old nexus 5, faux123 and francos with 350.000++ commits to @Tectas and @Skin1980 70+ commits i cant help myself that i have to ask...why is this??G3 is imo the best non nexus device and lacks such a serious lack of development...don't get me wrong we have plenty or at least the most proper aosp roms but we lack extremely on the kernel development...i see some devs are making aosp kernels which is great but why only those??i mean aosp is great but it lacks all the great features we all buy the G3 for....thats the reason i give my great nexus to buy a G3 for the better camera for the IR FM radio and stuff...
Please don't start the all time classic flame make your own if i had the knowlage i could...i also try to take an existing kernel and cherry pick some of faux nexus 5 commits but i wasn't able to troubleshot any of the confilcts...im just asking though...
Thanks for your time and sorry about my english!!
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Coming from the nexus family i thought at least that the best selling devices such as G3 and samsung have a great developer community...but in my surprice i was found with the tinies of all...comparing the two best kernels from my old nexus 5, faux123 and francos with 350.000++ commits to @Tectas and @Skin1980 70+ commits i cant help myself that i have to ask...why is this??G3 is imo the best non nexus device and lacks such a serious lack of development...don't get me wrong we have plenty or at least the most proper aosp roms but we lack extremely on the kernel development...i see some devs are making aosp kernels which is great but why only those??i mean aosp is great but it lacks all the great features we all buy the G3 for....thats the reason i give my great nexus to buy a G3 for the better camera for the IR FM radio and stuff...
Please don't start the all time classic flame make your own if i had the knowlage i could...i also try to take an existing kernel and cherry pick some of faux nexus 5 commits but i wasn't able to troubleshot any of the confilcts...im just asking though...
Thanks for your time and sorry about my english!!
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Main reason: We don't have source code.
International has it for a bit now. US dropped couple days ago and Canadian variant should get it this month (hopefully).
That being said, you can probably expect more development to come as source code becomes available.
BWolf56 said:
Main reason: We don't have source code.
International has it for a bit now. US dropped couple days ago and Canadian variant should get it this month (hopefully).
That being said, you can probably expect more development to come as source code becomes available.
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Yeah but then there will be kernels for ATT version or verison...i was talking about D855 that im using that i think its old but there is the source code for 20A lollipop available...also there are alot of tweaks patches and stuff the devs can get from CAF or like faux did he take patches from 3.10 kernel and backpatch the 3.04 nexus 5 kernel...
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Yeah but then there will be kernels for ATT version or verison...i was talking about D855 that im using that i think its old but there is the source code for 20A lollipop available...also there are alot of tweaks patches and stuff the devs can get from CAF or like faux did he take patches from 3.10 kernel and backpatch the 3.04 nexus 5 kernel...
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It's not like the G3 devs aren't trying. Keep in mind that the Nexus line is fully development friendly, therefore, brings in a lot more devs. And to put it boldly, LG isn't. We have locked bootloaders (Bump workaround) and takes a while before we get the source code.
2nd thing, it's newer than the N5. Lots of devs got the N5 when it came out due to the dev friendly environment and most of them won't change to a G3 a year later. While we don't have insane amount of development, we have some of the great ones and more are coming as we get the source code.
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It's not like the G3 devs aren't trying. Keep in mind that the Nexus line is fully development friendly, therefore, brings in a lot more devs. And to put it boldly, LG isn't. We have locked bootloaders (Bump workaround) and takes a while before we get the source code.
2nd thing, it's newer than the N5. Lots of devs got the N5 when it came out due to the dev friendly environment and most of them won't change to a G3 a year later. While we don't have insane amount of development, we have some of the great ones and more are coming as we get the source code.
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Lets hope they did cause its a shame to see this great phone lacks so much from development!!!
Guys, we have quite a good number of roms now,
All aee source based.. From the same tree..
And aloo look almost same...
Is there are way to porting the roms from other devices, such as miui, color os, etc
S#@DY said:
Guys, we have quite a good number of roms now,
All aee source based.. From the same tree..
And aloo look almost same...
Is there are way to porting the roms from other devices, such as miui, color os, etc
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Not without MAJOR recoding...
We have an Intel chip in our device while most others use ARM processors.
Unfortunately it's not quite so easy as grabbibing one ARM rom and converting it to another ARM rom. Until the Intel chips start being adopted by other manufacturers we won't see much porting of roms, that's not to say we might not be able to get features added but these will still be dependent on being able to be run by the Intel CPU in our device.
S#@DY said:
Guys, we have quite a good number of roms now,
All aee source based.. From the same tree..
And aloo look almost same...
Is there are way to porting the roms from other devices, such as miui, color os, etc
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I'm not trying to sound rude but I'm genuinely wondering, why do people want to run ported ROMs from other devices like touchwiz, miui, sense etc..?
Niropa said:
I'm not trying to sound rude but I'm genuinely wondering, why do people want to run ported ROMs from other devices like touchwiz, miui, sense etc..?
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Uh just to take a new feel
And because some of the features of these other roms can be quite useful but are tied into the framework of the original rom that can be too hard to pick it out for porting.
Usually though the same feature is turned into an app or extricated because someone REALLY wants it but these take time.
As the title states. Now that we have root and an unlocked bootloader do you think lineage is will make its way to this device?
Not a fan of lineage code.
We need a aosp rom like Purefusion.
We need Kernel source from Motorola first. They are dragging their feet like always. Without kernel source, we can't get a 100% working TWRP for custom roms to flash
Agreed. We need them to drop source code like they said they would.
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Looks like I may be getting this phone instead of the Note 8. Come on Motorola......release that source code.
They aren't going to acknowledge you here. Follow this link and sign up to let them know how you feel.
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/issues/124#issuecomment-331552066
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https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/tree/nougat-7.1.1-release-nash
Uzephi said:
We need Kernel source from Motorola first. They are dragging their feet like always. Without kernel source, we can't get a 100% working TWRP for custom roms to flash
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Is there a way to get the kernel ourselfs??
WeUseLord- said:
Is there a way to get the kernel ourselfs??
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Https://GitHub.com/Uzephi/Nash
Kernel source was given by Motorola. There is my git with the edits for a regular machine running GCC 4.9 to build a kernel that boots and works.
How much less is less?
If you build it they will come.... ("Field of Dreams" movie line) Seriously, though, I do wonder if giving up stability and features is worth it for minimal gains in performance/benchmarks? Motorola's take on Android is already bare-bones compared to Samsung! With Lineage, it's slightly easier to theme, true, but Substratum suffices for many individuals on stock. I haven't tried Substratum yet, because I don't like dark themes. Don't get me wrong, I want Lineage to succeed! The more open-source options the better! But, is it worth it for the principle, or modest increase in speed (maybe)? Bugless and not losing any features, I would run Lineage; so, we'll see, because it will come in due time.
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If you build it they will come.... ("Field of Dreams" movie line) Seriously, though, I do wonder if giving up stability and features is worth it for minimal gains in performance/benchmarks? Motorola's take on Android is already bare-bones compared to Samsung! With Lineage, it's slightly easier to theme, true, but Substratum suffices for many individuals on stock. I haven't tried Substratum yet, because I don't like dark themes. Don't get me wrong, I want Lineage to succeed! The more open-source options the better! But, is it worth it for the principle, or modest increase in speed (maybe)? Bugless and not losing any features, I would run Lineage; so, we'll see, because it will come in due time.
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Totally correct. Our device is so close to stock it's ridiculous. We pretty much have a pixel phone with slower updates and mods. Which I'll take over the boringness of a pixel. Yes substratum would be pretty cool but I know things are coming we have a kernel being updated to the latest kernel version available. We're testing twrp right now and have it 95% working and now we have twrp and magisk and an updated kernel all going at once things are coming along slowly but I feel they will pick up soon
Little teaser
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Little teaser
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That looks like the stock tmo version [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].
There should be almost no diference at all.
But i want some LineageOS [emoji41]
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I'm confused, the kernel sources still haven't been released?
LGtMgG2t said:
I'm confused, the kernel sources still haven't been released?
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Yes they where released.
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LGtMgG2t said:
I'm confused, the kernel sources still haven't been released?
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Yes, they were released. Kernel builds fine. For AOSP stuff we need vendor files. We are piecing things together. All builds have failed so we haven't even had a chance to see if it boots.
Why hasn't a kernel been fully released? (Besides the upstreamed one in the custom ROM section) because of encryption not working right in TWRP, you'd lose root when flashing as TWRP can't put the ramdisk back correctly hence no root.
Somebody should start Lineage. I would do it if I had enough experience but I don't yet. Huge tasks like LTE not working, etc., can arise depending upon the particular phone....
The attached screenshot illustrates the dynamics quite well. I was initially mildly surprised by the Lineage developer's response to someone, "When you start paying me." But, for some developers who devote lots of their time to Lineage, I suppose the questions can become tiresome. Every developer is different, of course, and it is a global scale endeavor.
Since Oneplus released the new 4.5.0 OxygenOS update, many noticeable changes has been achieve, better battery life, performance, etc.
On the other hand, Android O is reaching many devices around the world thanks to professional developers on XDA community.
Should I stick with OxygenOs, or use lineage os. Which is better
OXYGEN OS
Lineage hands down. Stock is boring, u wanna stay stock buy an iphone.
So many roms to try, why you would stay stock baffles me. But each to there own ?
I suppose these kind of threads are just for opinion-gathering, but I think there's nothing wrong with that.
On one hand, stock OxygenOS is simply "things that just works." Sure, this is boring, but some people prefers to have a system that works in their day to day life. Boring? Sure. But does it works fine? Yes.
Lineage on the other hand, while stable as is, is still geared towards experimenting, that doesn't mean it's unstable though. Also, Lineage (and most other custom ROM) is pretty good when it comes to keeping devices updated - so once OnePlus 3/T is out of commission and OnePlus drops their support for the device(s), it's going to be a good idea to move to Lineage if you want to continue using the phone.
tl;dr use stock if you just want things to work, and Lineage for the sake of modding and future-proofing.
Should you switch to Lineage? Probably.
Nether if you ask me. They are both garbage when compared to an AOSP based rom like Dirty Unicorns. Both have way too many bugs for any real day to day usage.
zelendel said:
Nether if you ask me. They are both garbage when compared to an AOSP based rom like Dirty Unicorns. Both have way too many bugs for any real day to day usage.
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We are CAF out of the box. Rom base might be AOSP but all our hardware specific stuff is CAF or LOS
F4uzan said:
I suppose these kind of threads are just for opinion-gathering, but I think there's nothing wrong with that.
On one hand, stock OxygenOS is simply "things that just works." Sure, this is boring, but some people prefers to have a system that works in their day to day life. Boring? Sure. But does it works fine? Yes.
Lineage on the other hand, while stable as is, is still geared towards experimenting, that doesn't mean it's unstable though. Also, Lineage (and most other custom ROM) is pretty good when it comes to keeping devices updated - so once OnePlus 3/T is out of commission and OnePlus drops their support for the device(s), it's going to be a good idea to move to Lineage if you want to continue using the phone.
tl;dr use stock if you just want things to work, and Lineage for the sake of modding and future-proofing.
Should you switch to Lineage? Probably.
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I like opinion gathering threads since they foster good discussion, but it seems that questions like these are asked every week since users posting them don't bother to search past threads despite the better content in them.
That being said, I agree that LOS is great in the future once device support is dropped, but do you see any downside in keeping OOS installed until support is dropped?
Lineage OS all the way with OMS support. Stock is boring and nothing much then black and regular theme.