Was the selling price set too high?
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What is your documented source that Htc 10 sales are low ? And low compared to what ? And you get what you pay for, compared to an S7 the prices are more than fair when you figure you get an unlocked bootloader and you get one year of free UH OH protection ask samsung if they will give you a warranty like that and they will just laugh so yes you get what you pay for.
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What is your documented source that Htc 10 sales are low ? And low compared to what ? And you get what you pay for, compared to an S7 the prices are more than fair when you figure you get an unlocked bootloader and you get one year of free UH OH protection ask samsung if they will give you a warranty like that and they will just laugh so yes you get what you pay for.
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I assume this would be related to T-Mobile apparently dropping the HTC 10 from their stores.
No big tech advantage to its competitors, insufficient marketing budget, heavily relies on outsourcing components (higher cost). Now even their software is fading its charm.
I paid $840 AUD a month or so ago.
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I assume this would be related to T-Mobile apparently dropping the HTC 10 from their stores.
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There are people saying they bought theirs at tmobile stores so where is your documentation that tmobile stores stopped carrying it ? If you have no proof then its a rumor.
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No big tech advantage to its competitors, insufficient marketing budget, heavily relies on outsourcing components (higher cost). Now even their software is fading its charm.
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Most run the same 820 processor so they all pretty much have no tech advantage over any other competitor. Yes some have a lot bigger marketing budget and yes too many people fall for advertising gimmicks and blindly purchase without making an informed decision on which item is a better purchase meaning faster and if your on xda that pretty much means a better phone for you would be one comes unlocked and has a good dev following. They all outsource components yes one makes processors and their own screens probably because they make tv's, but they also used the 820 processor also the same exact one as the Htc 10 in their flagship phone here in the USA. On the software part Google has fine tuned so many things that the stock google apps work fine and it makes no sense ie yes sense lol to put double the apps lol. And people prefer a cleaner Google experience such as Motorola has and now Htc has skimmed back too, most people like that the Htc sense is cleaner and more lean now over the past versions. I have had a new model of Htc phone every year ever since the Evo 4g came out and I think as many do that their software is just as smooth as butter.
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There are people saying they bought theirs at tmobile stores so where is your documentation that tmobile stores stopped carrying it ? If you have no proof then its a rumor.
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Here:
http://androidcommunity.com/t-mobile-drops-htc-10-like-a-hot-potato-after-only-2-months-20160812/
and here:
http://phandroid.com/2016/08/11/tmobile-no-longer-selling-htc-10/
and here:
http://bgr.com/2016/08/12/htc-10-t-mobile-bye-bye/
and here:
https://9to5google.com/2016/08/11/t...ing-the-htc-10-just-two-months-after-release/
Proof enough?
Especially since people have posted about this on another xda forum on the 5th
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/tmobile-longer-carries-htc-10-t3433653
which was 6 days before these reports even came out, so those were rumors.
I could expect such poor business decisions from a company like tmobile. They are no better than sprint both lie about coverage they do not even have, even sprint has better coverage than tmobile here in Ohio. I have to go 20 miles to get any signal from tmobile and I"am on an Ohio state route highway. Tmobile had the cheap thing to steal customers which they are no longer the cheapest since prepaid verizon mvno's have stepped up like Total wireless which uses verizon towers and offers Unl talk & text with 5 gigs of verizon Lte data for $35 a month with extra data able to be purchased, or Straight talk get Unl talk & text with 10 gigs of verizon Lte data for $55 a month and these are all verizon towers not tmobiles go 20 miles to get signal.
This is just sad because Htc makes good phones and too many people are blind sheep drinking the Koolaid fed to them by samsung and apple. Maybe we will get lucky and Google will buy Htc. I think selling off Motorola was a mistake so maybe they can save Htc.
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Here:
http://androidcommunity.com/t-mobile-drops-htc-10-like-a-hot-potato-after-only-2-months-20160812/
and here:
http://phandroid.com/2016/08/11/tmobile-no-longer-selling-htc-10/
and here:
http://bgr.com/2016/08/12/htc-10-t-mobile-bye-bye/
and here:
https://9to5google.com/2016/08/11/t...ing-the-htc-10-just-two-months-after-release/
Proof enough?
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They either had no source or they even used reddit (LOL). To be honest, those sites have a bunch of so-called "journalists" or "editor" that just copy and paste anything that they read from another site to make some sort of publicity.
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They either had no source or they even used reddit (LOL). To be honest, those sites have a bunch of so-called "journalists" that just copy and paste anything that they read from another site just to make some sort of publicity.
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That was my thinking also I just didnt say anything. I would not call then reputable sources. The stupid part of it is that tmobile took them off their web site a while back and said they were just out of stock. So who knows, maybe someone that talk to tmobile customer service directly and asked can chime in, apparently tmobile going by what happened before has no clue what they are doing.
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They either had no source or they even used reddit (LOL). To be honest, those sites have a bunch of so-called "journalists" or "editor" that just copy and paste anything that they read from another site to make some sort of publicity.
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That was my thinking also I just didnt say anything. I would not call then reputable sources. The stupid part of it is that tmobile took them off their web site a while back and said they were just out of stock. So who knows, maybe someone that talk to tmobile customer service directly and asked can chime in, apparently tmobile going by what happened before has no clue what they are doing.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/t-mobile-drops-htc-10-709473/
Fell in love when I first saw the HTC 10. It's a piece of fine jewelry and is a pleasure to use. Bought it from Verizon when it was first offered. Paid US $545 ($645 retail price less $100 special promo). At that time HTC web site was offering the 10 for $699. Yes, price does make a difference.
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Fell in love when I first saw the HTC 10. It's a piece of fine jewelry and is a pleasure to use. Bought it from Verizon when it was first offered. Paid US $545 ($645 retail price less $100 special promo). At that time HTC web site was offering the 10 for $699. Yes, price does make a difference.
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Yep. In Canada, only one carrier has it (not mine), so I bought the unlocked version. $999 CAD +tax and $10 delivery = $1130.08 CAD
I would say that would put people off from buying it in Canada, unless you happen to be on the Bell network, and can get it subsidized on a new plan.
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That's a much better source. Looks like they don't have the inventory to meet online demands. Odd for the editor to put a misleading title and have contradictory information in their article as it says they still are selling them in their stores. -_-
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Rumor has it that HTC will be manufacturing the upcoming Google Nexus phones code named Sailfish and Marlin. This will probably uncut what remaining demand that exists for the 10.
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That's a much better source. Looks like they don't have the inventory to meet online demands. Odd for the editor to put a misleading title and have contradictory information in their article as it says they still are selling them in their stores. -_-
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Of course they are still selling it in stores.........................................................................until they run out of stock.
LOL
Should they just throw the unsold phones into the trash?
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"The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."
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Of course they are still selling it in stores.........................................................................until they run out of stock.
LOL
Should they just throw the unsold phones into the trash?
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"The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."
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Yet, their "source" says they do not have inventory to support online orders. Nothing about "The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."
That's the contradictory element of the article I was referring to, which was in the same comment you quoted.
I find it important to read an article and look at it's reference to see how reliable it is. It's not a good idea to just read an article and take their word for it just because they check marked the "include source(s)" box on their editor guidelines. Especially when it comes to phone tech. Phone tech news have, by far, the worst "editorial" pieces I have ever seen, it's quite embarrassing.
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Yet, their "source" says they do not have inventory to support online orders. Nothing about "The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."
That's the contradictory element of the article I was referring to, which was in the same comment you quoted.
I find it important to read an article and look at it's reference to see how reliable it is. It's not a good idea to just read an article and take their word for it just because they check marked the "include source(s)" box on their editor guidelines. Especially when it comes to phone tech. Phone tech news have, by far, the worst "editorial" pieces I have ever seen, it's quite embarrassing.
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Amen brother you hit the nail right on the head. Until I see it on the majors news and from quite a bit more reputable sources then I will take it with a grain of salt until then, because if this were true then it would be all over the news and not just on questionable sites that do not have the reputation for having creditable news ie like cnn, cnbc, and so on. Not just sites that mostly do rumors on phone tech due out where they confuse reality with fantasy...
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Of course they are still selling it in stores.........................................................................until they run out of stock.
LOL
Should they just throw the unsold phones into the trash?
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"The HTC 10 has been pulled from T-Mobile’s online offerings and T-Mobile staff have confirmed that no more stock will be delivered to brick and mortar stores."
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If this were the case they would still have them on their web site to sell off their remaining stock correct ? So that blows a big hole in your theory about just selling off stock in stores also the store stock might go back to their warehouses most likely to be sold off on their web site possibly at a discount to clear them out. So them being off the web site and still in stores makes it sound more like a supply issue and tmobile is out of stock again on their web site just as they were before then went back up on their web site for sale when they were back in stock as this just happened a while back so its very likely it happened again. And since this was never on any major news networks yes it could just be rumors.
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Rumor has it that HTC will be manufacturing the upcoming Google Nexus phones code named Sailfish and Marlin. This will probably uncut what remaining demand that exists for the 10.
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Possibly but its also possible that they wont as many people like sd card slots and Google likes to shoot themselves in the foot and deliberately leave out features that most other flagship phones have which is stupid but yes people like to use sd cards and Google does not care so we will see how many want to give up sd card slots to get a new Nexus, and sales of Nexus devices have never been that substantial. But reports rumors that is list that the Sailfish the S1 has speeds that surpass the new note 7 due out so maybe the Nexus devices will hurt samsung note 7 and s7 sales just as possible.
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Yep. In Canada, only one carrier has it (not mine), so I bought the unlocked version. $999 CAD +tax and $10 delivery = $1130.08 CAD
I would say that would put people off from buying it in Canada, unless you happen to be on the Bell network, and can get it subsidized on a new plan.
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Couldnt you have bought a new unlocked version on Ebay or another retailer at a discount ? Or is the conversion from CAD to USD going to make it just as much ?
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Amen brother you hit the nail right on the head. Until I see it on the majors news and from quite a bit more reputable sources then I will take it with a grain of salt until then, because if this were true then it would be all over the news and not just on questionable sites that do not have the reputation for having creditable news ie like cnn, cnbc, and so on. Not just sites that mostly do rumors on phone tech due out where they confuse reality with fantasy...
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Laugh My A** OFFFFFF!!!!!
Do you really think CNN is going to do a report on something like this?
Do you think HTC is still that big a company that if a carrier doesn't stock it, they'll do a feature?
Did they do a big story about how AT&T wasn't going to carry the 10?
You are adorable.
They aren't shipping them because their warehouses are empty of them.
They are still in SOME stores because it is leftover stock. They will sell those and that will be it.
It is painfully obvious from the link I provided. Which also had the reporter calling T-Mobile and having them confirm, plus screenshots of a twitter conversation with T-Mo where the same was confirmed.
Here's something simple for you. Call T-Mo yourself, and ask them.
The way you and @richii0207 are denying facts and sticking to your guns makes me believe that you are probably voting for Trump come November
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Laugh My A** OFFFFFF!!!!!
Do you really think CNN is going to do a report on something like this?
Do you think HTC is still that big a company that if a carrier doesn't stock it, they'll do a feature?
Did they do a big story about how AT&T wasn't going to carry the 10?
You are adorable.
They aren't shipping them because their warehouses are empty of them.
They are still in SOME stores because it is leftover stock. They will sell those and that will be it.
It is painfully obvious from the link I provided. Which also had the reporter calling T-Mobile and having them confirm, plus screenshots of a twitter conversation with T-Mo where the same was confirmed.
Here's something simple for you. Call T-Mo yourself, and ask them.
The way you and @richii0207 are denying facts and sticking to your guns makes me believe that you are probably voting for Trump come November
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Its news if its true as I"am sure some would cover it just because some want to be naive and drink the Kool-aid these rinky dink so called Journalist on these rumor sites want to post. Most Journalist would call them hacks or bottom feeders that regurgitate any rumors that they hear and the others just following thinking gee if those guys published that than we can too lol they are a joke and anyone that believes them is naive.
And omg I never said do a feature lol you really like to blow things out of proportion just to aid to your own ego like omg buddy are you for real lol.
And the At&t not carrying the 10 was all over not just on a few hack rumor sites lol you are just too ridiculous lol.
If they had stopped selling them the stores would send the stock back I know retail and business lol the stores would be the first to lose stock lol the web site would stay with them for sale until they are gone because web site sales gives the highest return as there are less wages involved that is why most carriers have better deals on phones on their web sites such as verizon you might save $100 on their web site over buying even in a corporate store I have saved a lot more myself buying off their web site over their corporate stores and dealers are even higher.
Gee and why did tmobile remove them from their web site then put back up after back in stock that is legitimately documented on the net and from more than hack rumor web sites.
Once again your talking about a reporter on a hack rumor based web site not any kind of legit news site what so ever.
I"am not calling tmobile why dont you as I would never use their 3rd rate service that you have to go 20 plus miles to get their signal on an Ohio state route highway that is a joke lol. I pay less for verizon coverage than what they charge lol.
And no your the sheep that would vote for trump as he is a pompus a** and only likes to brag about how much hes worth when he filed for bankruptcy how many times causing tax payers to lose millions on casinos that he filed on then he turns around and opens more casinos lol. Hes a joke and has a bad temper and he wants to cut taxes on businesses which makes himself and other rich people more money lol yes he has his own best interests at heart lol. He claims to want to cut down on jobs going out of country but on david letterman years ago he showed his products he sells and letterman brought up they were made in China and other countries he just shrugged his shoulders lol. He changes his views by the minute on what he thinks people want to hear lol. He even called rosey odonell a fat pig right in public forum so no I would never support a fake self important pompus a** like trump.
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It's short and sweet...http://androidspin.com/2012/02/09/is-the-iphone-a-blessing-or-a-curse-for-carriers-bend-over-and-lets-find-out/. Have a go.
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It's short and sweet...http://androidspin.com/2012/02/09/is-the-iphone-a-blessing-or-a-curse-for-carriers-bend-over-and-lets-find-out/. Have a go.
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But it's not fair. I don't even buy apple stuff and they're [inadvertently] ruining everything
Apple is a menace to the tech world.
What I never understood is how carriers don't make a profit until the 11 month mark. Take two Epic Touches at $499 a pop, Sprint eats $300 of the cost if they offer it at $199. Then factor in the cost of a data plan with TEP and the data charge at around $175 for two phones. That equals $1925 in 11 months, minus the $600 Sprint ate on the devices equals $1325. So how are they losing any money? Unless my math is wrong they're making profits only a few months in to the contract based on the plan price alone. Some one explain this because I don't rightly get it.
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What I never understood is how carriers don't make a profit until the 11 month mark. Take two Epic Touches at $499 a pop, Sprint eats $300 of the cost if they offer it at $199. Then factor in the cost of a data plan with TEP and the data charge at around $175 for two phones. That equals $1925 in 11 months, minus the $600 Sprint ate on the devices equals $1325. So how are they losing any money? Unless my math is wrong they're making profits only a few months in to the contract based on the plan price alone. Some one explain this because I don't rightly get it.
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Sure, it looks like a profit on the phone, and you can argue that. However the company will not consider it a profit until all other costs are covered. Figure it from a business owner standpoint. You have the cost of your store overhead that sold it, the employees hourly pay and commission from the sale, etc.. on a larger scale you have all the other costs you can imagine. Offices, higher ups wages, network maintenance, the list goes on. The "profit" can only be considered a true profit after a profit/loss analysis on a bigger scale. Many preferred retailers use the profit loss analysis approach to their stores when figuring how to pay employees. You have to determine how much it costs to run the business, and how much money you bring in. The difference is your profit or loss. That's why it takes so long to make a profit.
At the same time Didn't Sprint also say that another part of their loss for this past quarter was part of Network Vision as well? It's not just the iPhone for them right now considering they are building out a brand new LTE network.
So are people really saying that when phones are sold to us at a subsidized rate, that carriers actually spent more than the subsidized rate to acquire them initially & HOPE to make up or exceed the difference in the service plan?
I highly doubt it (though I could be wrong). Even when selling the phone at a subsidized rate there is always some type of markup over the initial investment, even if marginal (again I could be wrong)
How much do you think Sprint actually pays per Epic Touch?
I read that Apples subsidized rate was something like 40 or 60% more than other high end phones.
Hahaha apple they wont last long
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So are people really saying that when phones are sold to us at a subsidized rate, that carriers actually spent more than the subsidized rate to acquire them initially & HOPE to make up or exceed the difference in the service plan?
I highly doubt it (though I could be wrong). Even when selling the phone at a subsidized rate there is always some type of markup over the initial investment, even if marginal (again I could be wrong)
How much do you think Sprint actually pays per Epic Touch?
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very close to the retail price, i promise you. Trust me, it really is a "hope" type business. That's why we worry so much about customer churn.
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squshy 7 said:
very close to the retail price, i promise you. Trust me, it really is a "hope" type business. That's why we worry so much about customer churn.
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i guess its kinda like gas... the business can only mark it up so much/state taxes and competitors
but honestly if sprint bought $630 million dollars (if im reading right) on iphones... and didnt get a "bulk" deal from apple (or any manufacturer for that matter) its their own fault....
im not gonna start a business and pay retail on 1000s of products to sell them cheaper in hope that the customer becomes a "regular"
sprint can kiss my ass there is NO way a business would make it in todays economic state if they play the foolish "hope" card
and if all carriers REALLLLLLLLY pay retail for **** plastic devices over seas then looks like i know what im gonna be investing in....
my opinion leave it at that if im wrong im wrong but seriously.... no fortune 500 company (investors/CEO's/ANYONE) would be so careless
its in my opinion its all a lie or atleast "stretched" truths
"I worked at T-Mobile for 5 years. I was the go to guy for Android phones and training. That passion didn't stop even after my departure from the company. I currently moved up from my MyTouch 3G to a Samsung Vibrant. A lot has changed in a very short time. I look forward to all the latest and greatest every time I wake up. "
no offense to the writer but you went from a mytouch 3g to a samsung galaxy s vibrant??!?!?!?!?!?!? lol they BOTH came out last year for god sakes
Can they say the same thing about Android? I am certain there are supporting numbers that account for loss for every device on the market. With so many makes and models of Android available I can imagine that we cost the carriers just as much if not more than the iPhone does. The difference is they aren’t linked to one specific device. Even though the numbers point towards iPhone as the devil, the consumers and the manufacturers are more to blame
Its the discount structure as a whole...
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i guess its kinda like gas... the business can only mark it up so much/state taxes and competitors
but honestly if sprint bought $630 million dollars (if im reading right) on iphones... and didnt get a "bulk" deal from apple (or any manufacturer for that matter) its their own fault....
im not gonna start a business and pay retail on 1000s of products to sell them cheaper in hope that the customer becomes a "regular"
sprint can kiss my ass there is NO way a business would make it in todays economic state if they play the foolish "hope" card
and if all carriers REALLLLLLLLY pay retail for **** plastic devices over seas then looks like i know what im gonna be investing in....
my opinion leave it at that if im wrong im wrong but seriously.... no fortune 500 company (investors/CEO's/ANYONE) would be so careless
its in my opinion its all a lie or atleast "stretched" truths
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Any monthly subscription service is the same way. You get people in the door (so to speak) with a loss leader, and then make all your money on the OTHER things the customer buys.
Even if you paid $500 for your ET, Sprint probably wouldn't make a profit straight out on it. Say it cost them $450 to purchase it from Samsung. It also cost something to get it shipped to the store. They have rent and utilities to pay each month. They have a manager and a salesguy to pay. By the time you shell out your $500, they MIGHT be breaking even.
But then you buy a screen protector for $25 and a carrying case for $30. Those two items probably cost them a combined $10. NOW you've made them a profit on the transaction.
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Any monthly subscription service is the same way. You get people in the door (so to speak) with a loss leader, and then make all your money on the OTHER things the customer buys.
Even if you paid $500 for your ET, Sprint probably wouldn't make a profit straight out on it. Say it cost them $450 to purchase it from Samsung. It also cost something to get it shipped to the store. They have rent and utilities to pay each month. They have a manager and a salesguy to pay. By the time you shell out your $500, they MIGHT be breaking even.
But then you buy a screen protector for $25 and a carrying case for $30. Those two items probably cost them a combined $10. NOW you've made them a profit on the transaction.
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yeah i got it but seriously WTF lol
i mean how does wirefly/letstalk.com get their phones and sell them cheap... do they buy from sprint? or from the manufacturer? ( i know they have their own ETF if you cancel in before a certain period) but my god i wouldnt put my business in customers hand who dont even get a REAL credit check done
sprint and tmobile are the easiest carriers to get into with horrible/no credit and not pay a HIGH deposit or NONE at all... i mean seriously lets give someone with poor credit a contractual obligation for 2 years with hope that they dont just bail and leave us with the bill (like they have done already) and cry about our profit margins and increase the prices/change policies on our current customers to make up the difference.... horrible business ethics... and that is coming from a person that dropped out of college.... a CEO cant figure this out?
or the investors who put their money into a ticking time bomb? i give zero ****s to sprint and there profit margins.... for all i care they can merge with big red or go bankrupt making a deal with apple to buy 30-35 million iphones in the next 4 years was a bad move.... and if they couldnt see that from AT&T after how many years of struggling with the iphone... then they are as naive as Lance Ito (the judge for OJ simpsons murder case)
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But it's not fair. I don't even buy apple stuff and they're [inadvertently] ruining everything
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higher termination fees, no multiple purchases of world phones on accounts with spending limits, no more sprint premier... you're right, it ISNT fair to those of us who have been customers for years... ONE of the many reasons i hate apple.
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What I never understood is how carriers don't make a profit until the 11 month mark. Take two Epic Touches at $499 a pop, Sprint eats $300 of the cost if they offer it at $199. Then factor in the cost of a data plan with TEP and the data charge at around $175 for two phones. That equals $1925 in 11 months, minus the $600 Sprint ate on the devices equals $1325. So how are they losing any money? Unless my math is wrong they're making profits only a few months in to the contract based on the plan price alone. Some one explain this because I don't rightly get it.
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So are people really saying that when phones are sold to us at a subsidized rate, that carriers actually spent more than the subsidized rate to acquire them initially & HOPE to make up or exceed the difference in the service plan?
I highly doubt it (though I could be wrong). Even when selling the phone at a subsidized rate there is always some type of markup over the initial investment, even if marginal (again I could be wrong)
How much do you think Sprint actually pays per Epic Touch?
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i work at a preferred retailer, and i have no idea what the epic touch cost. i CAN tell you though, that the HTC Evo 4G cost my store $375 per phone, with an MSRP of $449.99. we buy ours from a vendor named Brightpoint. i have no idea what brightpoints investment is on these devices, but i believe they are owned by sprint, so it IS possible that they are taking a hit from the manufacturer to me, hoping i sell them. i REALLY hope we arent WAGERING with my employer's future here...
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very close to the retail price, i promise you. Trust me, it really is a "hope" type business. That's why we worry so much about customer churn.
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yes, it really is close to retail. the iPhone 4S 16 GB costs my store $645 from our vendor... the MSRP is $650... either apple or brightpoint are bending us over here. in fact, its so bad, that the managers at my store wont sell iphones out of store inventory to upgrades, only to new lines. our franchise gets more commission from sprint for new lines, thus making it more "worth it". i think this is a TERRIBLE idea, you should never treat new customers better than current ones (or am i just too old fashioned? )
Dalmus said:
Any monthly subscription service is the same way. You get people in the door (so to speak) with a loss leader, and then make all your money on the OTHER things the customer buys.
Even if you paid $500 for your ET, Sprint probably wouldn't make a profit straight out on it. Say it cost them $450 to purchase it from Samsung. It also cost something to get it shipped to the store. They have rent and utilities to pay each month. They have a manager and a salesguy to pay. By the time you shell out your $500, they MIGHT be breaking even.
But then you buy a screen protector for $25 and a carrying case for $30. Those two items probably cost them a combined $10. NOW you've made them a profit on the transaction.
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loss leaders make more sense than gambling on the prospect of future business. i think this is probably what is happening. ill give you a hint though. my store's cost for a case and screen protector? >$10
and since sprint REQUIRES we go through a certain accessory vendor, i am led to believe they get kick backs from the vendor (or what would it matter?)
as for the 11 month thing with tmobile, i dont know how sprints works, but i have an idea. when a customer cancels their line from sprint within the first 181 days, our commission is charged back (to the franchise, and then in turn to the salesperson). if its beyond that, franchise gets to keep the commission. if sprint is still losing money at this point, why arent they pulling the commission back? idk, i dont run a bazillion dollar (legit amount) corporation.
thats just my 47 cents.
I had a feeling this would get some plps gears grinding. It did me.
Let's go spam the IPhone boards with this link.lol.
Come on some one do it. I will give ya all my thanks.
Indrid Cole said:
I had a feeling this would get some plps gears grinding. It did me.
Let's go spam the IPhone boards with this link.lol.
Come on some one do it. I will give ya all my thanks.
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Dude Im going to go over to the iPhone forum to start a thread. Watch ill shoot you the link.
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I went looking, I need a link to an iphone forum. Im totally ready to start some trouble...
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Dude Im going to go over to the iPhone forum to start a thread. Watch ill shoot you the link.
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I went looking, I need a link to an iphone forum. Im totally ready to start some trouble...
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Inthe find your device box here in XDA type in IPhone.
Do it do it do it do it.
Indrid Cole said:
Inthe find your device box here in XDA type in IPhone.
Do it do it do it do it.
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LOL I totally went looking, but there are no iphone forums on xda. None... I even went and googled iphone forums, but the ones I went to, wanted me to start an account before I posted anything. LOL that would have been awesome though
Ok fukit I'm gonna do it. Brb.
Turns out my Gnex was stolen from Bell.
I'm on Rogers and my contract is not up for renewal as I just upgraded to the Samsung Captivate last summer.
I went to Best Buy and was told that they don't sell the Nexus without a plan. Fine.
I went to the local Rogers store and they wouldn't have stock for a week. Fine.
I check out kijiji.ca. I found a BNIB Gnex in Northbay. I drove through a raging snowstorm to buy it that night for $600.
Cool! I got a Nexus!
Months go by. Fast forward to this afternoon.
'Hi, I'm constable blah from the Northbay Police Dept. Do you own a Google Nexus?'. I'm thinking to myself, 'oh no, this can't be good...'
I have to turn in my phone by Monday afternoon. AND I'm out the $600. AND I got no phone.
Moral of my sad story, always buy from the store. Not some guy on ebay or kijiji.
What lesson have I learnt. Be patient and buy from a store. Don't be in such a hurry.
Wow, that really sucks.
Ouch, that really sucks. Did they give you any receipt to claim this on your taxes at least?
I'd have said "Yes I bought it, but then I sold it"
Done.
Is it your fault some poor guy got his phone stolen? Or, because its new, a store? Who cares, its not your problem...well it IS your problem now because you admitted to owning it, but whatever.
You payed in honest your hard earned money for a phone you had no idea was stolen so from a moral standpoint I think thats fine.
So now what? Phone gets returned and now that $600 was basically stolen from YOU. Fair right?
You could have just said you bought it but then sold it. Done.
And just because you got ripped off doesn't mean everyone on Kijiji or ebay is bad. I buy and sell all the time through kijiji. Just be smarter about it in the future. Find out where it came from, see the proof of purchase, things like this.
$600, why not buy from Verizon
also, never buy expensive stuffs on Ebay or those second hand web sites.
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$600, why not buy from Verizon
also, never buy expensive stuffs on Ebay or those second hand web sites.
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He's in Canada using Bell, so that's a GSM Nexus.
Sucks, one of the reasons I didn't buy from Kijiji. Sudbury eh? I went to high school, college and uni there.
The forums really should be split I'm tired of Verizon users thinking everybody is in the US, not everybody on xda is get over it
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Turns out my Gnex was stolen from Bell.
I'm on Rogers and my contract is not up for renewal as I just upgraded to the Samsung Captivate last summer.
I went to Best Buy and was told that they don't sell the Nexus without a plan. Fine.
I went to the local Rogers store and they wouldn't have stock for a week. Fine.
I check out kijiji.ca. I found a BNIB Gnex in Northbay. I drove through a raging snowstorm to buy it that night for $600.
Cool! I got a Nexus!
Months go by. Fast forward to this afternoon.
'Hi, I'm constable blah from the Northbay Police Dept. Do you own a Google Nexus?'. I'm thinking to myself, 'oh no, this can't be good...'
I have to turn in my phone by Monday afternoon. AND I'm out the $600. AND I got no phone.
Moral of my sad story, always buy from the store. Not some guy on ebay or kijiji.
What lesson have I learnt. Be patient and buy from a store. Don't be in such a hurry.
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Damn that sucks. It is things like that, that make me hesitant on buying things from craigslist/Kijiji and why I always keep my receipt/OEM box in case I do ever decide to sell an expensive device so I can prove to the buyer that they are legit.
There's no way to get your money back? You'd think you'd have a legit claim there, considering there was all sorts of fraud/misrepresentation.
Normally, you would be the bona fide purchaser. If you paid a reasonable price for the item and the item is considered a common good, which it is, you will win in the court of law. HOWEVER, sites like the one you got it from is considered "caveat emptor", meaning buyer beware. Because it is common knowledge that illegal goods may be sold on such websites as that and Craigslist, you are in fact agreeing to that knowledge when purchasing something.
Unless Bell decides to be nice, HA!, they have rightful ownership of the device. The only recourse you have is to sue the seller for fraudulent activities. Good luck with that one.
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For anyone who would like to know, not ALL items have to be returned in this case. For example, cash cannot be returned if it was used to purchase a consumable. Also, something like lumber or bricks that were used to build your house cannot be returned.
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This information is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be misconstrued as legal advice.
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Normally, you would be the bona fide purchaser. If you paid a reasonable price for the item and the item is considered a common good, which it is, you will win in the court of law. HOWEVER, sites like the one you got it from is considered "caveat emptor", meaning buyer beware. Because it is common knowledge that illegal goods may be sold on such websites as that and Craigslist, you are in fact agreeing to that knowledge when purchasing something.
Unless Bell decides to be nice, HA!, they have rightful ownership of the device. The only recourse you have is to sue the seller for fraudulent activities. Good luck with that one.
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For anyone who would like to know, not ALL items have to be returned in this case. For example, cash cannot be returned if it was used to purchase a consumable. Also, something like lumber or bricks that were used to build your house cannot be returned.
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I am not a lawyer and my comments above are only my personal opinions.
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lol if you're not a lawyer I suggest not using such strong language .
It's a simple contracts case w/ fraud, misrepresentation, etc., but since he's from Canada I'd be hesitant to really weigh in with what I think.
Primarily b/c I am a lawyer, but an American one .
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The forums really should be split I'm tired of Verizon users thinking everybody is in the US, not everybody on xda is get over it
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I am tired of the high and mighty attitude that some GSM users have. So I agree, lets split them. Not everyone is GSM, so get over it.
You could probably file a small claims case for around $75 as an infrequent claimant.
Yes, it does suck. I just realized that to get another Gnex, I have to cough up another $680 to buy one from Rogers.
I'm going to have the world's most expensive $1280 Nexus soon.
No, I'm not lying to the police. I wasn't brought up like that. I'm Sorry you were. Besides, I'm too old to start stirring the pot with the popo, and if I did, it wouldn't be over a $600 phone.
Yes, I do buy other goods from kijiji. I probably will still do so, and yes I will be much more leary and vigilent of possible fraud. And I will probably avoid buying electronics from kijiji though.
Yup, born on the Rock. Sounds like you were too, why the move to the flat part of the country?
What's Verizon?
The officer said if the Judge orders restitution, I may get a refund or the phone back... eventually... like in a year and a half or so. I'm not holding my breath.
Hey, at least I'm not getting charged with possesion of stolen property! There's a bonus!
I looked at Bell and Rogers to see if there was any newer phone that I might upgrade to. No.. the Gnex still has the HD screen and ICS.
So this weekend I'll be buying another one from the Rogers store.
That really sucks. I was saving the $ for long tube headers and dual exhaust for my truck.
Adreno said:
I'd have said "Yes I bought it, but then I sold it"
Done.
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The police obviously traced the IMEI of the phone since it was in use. How else did they know who to call? They called because they knew you had the phone and were using it
That really sucks man and I can honestly say I know how you feel.
I bought 6 Verizon BlackBerry 8830 phones a few years ago to resell them and before I bought them I called Verizon to make sure the ESNs were clear and I was told that they were.
I buy the phones, sell them on eBay, and after a month the seller says the ESNs are bad. I get the phones back after refunding the buyer $1200 (I bought them for $800 I believe) and then I get a call from Verizon saying the phones I had were stolen and then they had the cops call me asking if I had the phones and that I had to turn them in. I told them I bought them from someone else and tried to give a description of the guy and the car he drove but I met him 70 miles from my house.
It really, really sucked. Sorry that you had to go through that, it's a big downer when it happens.
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No, I'm not lying to the police. I wasn't brought up like that. I'm Sorry you were. Besides, I'm too old to start stirring the pot with the popo, and if I did, it wouldn't be over a $600 phone.
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Thank you for being an honest person. If you ever have some kind of donation option to fund your new phone, I'll be the first to pitch in.
Good people shouldn't get screwed over by scammers (I almost was on a completely defective "mint condition" HTC Sensation), but lying will only set you up for some other problem down the road.
Good luck.
Sorry to hear that OP, you seem like a good person that got screwed over by some dirtbag . Any chance you paid by PayPal? They tend to side with buyers. Something tells me you paid cash though
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I am tired of the high and mighty attitude that some GSM users have. So I agree, lets split them. Not everyone is GSM, so get over it.
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No, but he said in his original post that he was on Bell and his phone was a stolen Rogers phone - aka 'not Verizon'. That's zeke's mistake for not reading the post. Still, everyone else in the world uses GSM, so yes, Verizon's got a smaller market and the CDMA Nexus isn't going to be that common in comparison.
Still, lesson learned. Pity the OP can't turn in the seller and maybe get some money back.
Hi, I want to buy note 10.1 2014 3g 32gb online, can you guys recommend a trusted website
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Hi, I want to buy note 10.1 2014 3g 32gb online, can you guys recommend a trusted website
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negrielectronics.com (link)
lilo777 said:
negrielectronics.com (link)
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I'm sure you've had some type of good experience with NegriElectronics, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
However, if you buy from them you are either ignorant or need your freakin' head examined...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2468320
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2468365
Besides these 2 threads do a lot of research at Ripoff reports and other places.
I have personal experience with them.
lilo777 said:
negrielectronics.com (link)
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where do you live
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I'm sure you've had some type of good experience with NegriElectronics, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
However, if you buy from them you are either ignorant or need your freakin' head examined...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2468320
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2468365
Besides these 2 threads do a lot of research at Ripoff reports and other places.
I have personal experience with them.
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I ordered a tablet and a phone from Negri in the past and everything worked just fine. They are definitely a legitimate business. That does not mean that one will never have any issues with them but that's true for any retailer.
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where do you live
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I am in US. But I did not order Note 10.1 from Negri. I got one from Amazon (a WiFi version)
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I ordered a tablet and a phone from Negri in the past and everything worked just fine. They are definitely a legitimate business. That does not mean that one will never have any issues with them but that's true for any retailer.
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I am in US. But I did not order Note 10.1 from Negri. I got one from Amazon (a WiFi version)
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You didn't read those threads obviously.
Not an isolated issue.
definitely selling used as new.
People received phones that were rooted and knox tripped and all kinds of other fun things.
Phones with IMEIs that were id'd being from stolen phones and were banned from carrier networks, etc, etc, etc
All open boxes, all missing something.
There is no way I would buy anything at any price from them.
Count yourself lucky.
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You didn't read those threads obviously.
Not an isolated issue.
definitely selling used as new.
People received phones that were rooted and knox tripped and all kinds of other fun things.
Phones with IMEIs that were id'd being from stolen phones and were banned from carrier networks, etc, etc, etc
All open boxes, all missing something.
There is no way I would buy anything at any price from them.
Count yourself lucky.
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I've purchased from Negri before and got my SM-601 from them last week. It was "LTA" which means Latin America and had a Trinidad CSC; just like the N-8000 I bought from them last year. Both were shrink-wrapped as they left the Samsung factory. The issues you're quoting are specific to "unlocked" versions of U.S. carrier versions of the N3. There's no such thing as "unlocked" carrier versions of U.S. phones. Samsung sells no unlocked devices in the U.S. directly (except the GPe and developer edition phones) so those phones Negri was selling had to have come to them through a secondary source and had to have been opened and initialized to unlock them. I'm guessing it was a secondary source that screwed Negri who, perhaps inadvertently, ended up screwing their customers. I'd personally never buy a U.S. carrier phone from a non-carrier affiliated third party reseller because the origin of the phone would always be questionable. I didn't follow the issues you're referencing that closely but the few I read about were taken care of by Negri through exchanges or refunds. So I agree that some folks had problems with Negri but based on my past experience I ordered from them anyway and got what I expected. So I'd recommend them for gray market devices but wouldn't recommend them (or anyone else) for carrier-specific "unlocked" U.S. phones. Amazon check-out is a payment option so that and a credit card should offer more than enough protection in case anyone does have a negative experience.
I'm not defending the issues people had with Negri and the N3 but based on the positive experiences I and others have had doesn't mean they deserve to be lynched either. As with anything bought on line - caveat emptor.
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I've purchased from Negri before and got my SM-601 from them last week. It was "LTA" which means Latin America and had a Trinidad CSC; just like the N-8000 I bought from them last year. Both were shrink-wrapped as they left the Samsung factory. The issues you're quoting are specific to "unlocked" versions of U.S. carrier versions of the N3. There's no such thing as "unlocked" carrier versions of U.S. phones. Samsung sells no unlocked devices in the U.S. directly (except the GPe and developer edition phones) so those phones Negri was selling had to have come to them through a secondary source and had to have been opened and initialized to unlock them. I'm guessing it was a secondary source that screwed Negri who, perhaps inadvertently, ended up screwing their customers. I'd personally never buy a U.S. carrier phone from a non-carrier affiliated third party reseller because the origin of the phone would always be questionable. I didn't follow the issues you're referencing that closely but the few I read about were taken care of by Negri through exchanges or refunds. So I agree that some folks had problems with Negri but based on my past experience I ordered from them anyway and got what I expected. So I'd recommend them for gray market devices but wouldn't recommend them (or anyone else) for carrier-specific "unlocked" U.S. phones. Amazon check-out is a payment option so that and a credit card should offer more than enough protection in case anyone does have a negative experience.
I'm not defending the issues people had with Negri and the N3 but based on the positive experiences I and others have had doesn't mean they deserve to be lynched either. As with anything bought on line - caveat emptor.
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It's good that you didn't have issues.
But if you google them, the N3 thread isn't the only place that mentions these same issues, basically selling used as new. You are incorrect about the boxes needing to be open. These are details that you would have to know the thread well to know. He sent out the phones locked and emailed the unlock codes and they were still open box'd, rooted, knox tripped, stolen, etc.
Does it really matter that he blames his suppliers? Would that make you feel better if you spent $700+ on a phone and it was stolen, used, and warranty voided?
He did get his behind handed to him in that thread and had to replace some phones.
Google is your friend here. I cancelled my order because he failed to deliver on any of his promises and to this day I don't think I would have received my phone from Negri. His postings in those threads were also pretty obnoxious and he pissed off a ton of folks not just me.
You can't defend sending out phones that are listed as stolen, rooted, or warranty voided because of Knox. There's just no way to defend that.
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You can't defend sending out phones that are listed as stolen, rooted, or warranty voided because of Knox. There's just no way to defend that.
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Of course there is. If Negri (or anyone else) is selling thousands of devices a month they can't be expected to individually inspect every device they sell. They bought the phones in question from a third party assuming they were "A" stock. Clearly they weren't and cost Negri a lot of money and face in the process. You're assuming Negri was a conspirator and knowingly sent out bad merchandise. I'm assuming they were supplied with some questionable inventory from a third party supplier and were as screwed as the people that received the affected phones.
Again, I'm not defending Negri but its not fair to harpoon any business based on a less than a dozen reported issues out of thousands of customers a month served. Now that its come to light, if it happens again, I'd agree with your "no defense" claim.
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Of course there is. If Negri (or anyone else) is selling thousands of devices a month they can't be expected to individually inspect every device they sell. They bought the phones in question from a third party assuming they were "A" stock. Clearly they weren't and cost Negri a lot of money and face in the process. You're assuming Negri was a conspirator and knowingly sent out bad merchandise. I'm assuming they were supplied with some questionable inventory from a third party supplier and were as screwed as the people that received the affected phones.
Again, I'm not defending Negri but its not fair to harpoon any business based on a less than a dozen reported issues out of thousands of customers a month served. Now that its come to light, if it happens again, I'd agree with your "no defense" claim.
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Google is not your friend apparently...
This isn't a one time complaint as I stated many times above.
Anyhow doesn't matter really does it?
You would do business with them again, me and a lot of other people wouldn't. I stated why I wouldn't. So the OP has his answer.
I googled them beforehand and saw the bad reviews and statements that they were selling crap as new in the recent past. I went on what some folks had said about how they didn't have any problems with them and placed my order anyhow. The rest is a matter of public record.
Just one last observation, if someone(vendor) is way below everybody else, as he was with the N3, be suspicious
Anybody know yet if full price purchases are included, or upgrades only? No consistent answer from BB yet and not a peep from Samsung. More and more this seems like a "shoot from the hip" effort by Samsung with little thought other than a knee jerk response to try and stem the market-share bleeding due to the iPhone 6 and the iPhone Plus Bendy.
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Anybody know yet if full price purchases are included, or upgrades only? No consistent answer from BB yet and not a peep from Samsung. More and more this seems like a "shoot from the hip" effort by Samsung with little thought other than a knee jerk response to try and stem the market-share bleeding due to the iPhone 6 and the iPhone Plus Bendy.
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Hi there, @rushless - Please post questions in the Q&A section - thanks.
The $200 gift card only applies if you TRADE IN an existing smartphone. I don't believe it excludes phones purchased at full cost, but I'm not 100% certain.
The gift card is a Best Buy thing, so I'm not sure why you're expecting Samsung to chime in. Samsung is offering their own similar promotion, however. If you activate a new Note 4 and trade in an existing smartphone elsewhere, Samsung will cut you a check for $200 - $(trade in value of phone), provided you send them proof.
Samsung is working with best buy on this one, so we get the best buy $200 gift cert. Instead of the $200 rebate check.
That works for me, since we'll get the full purchase amount on our best buy credit cards, and will earn reward zone credits based on that amount. ($20 on two phones, I I'll turn around and just apply the gift cert. In store as a payment on our credit card once we complete the sale.
The deal only works with a two year contract. That is how the process works and was verified by Best Buy and how their sales system is set up. Samsung regional rep also confirmed that is how Best Buy is doing it.
Samsung also stated that is how it should work for everyone else, but by the way Samsung set the process up for the others, not sure how they can control that. Looks like Samsung is going to have a big cluster
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So I just got back from BB and I went all through the process and everything was going perfectly AND THEN I get to the very end where they are gonna place the pre-order for my black note 4 for me and the computer would not let them do it... they told me "the system has turned off pre-orders for both the black and white note 4" I asked to speak to a manager and he said he does not know if they hit their limit or if it is a technical problem and he took my info and is going to call me back (unlikely). I cannot see how they could have hit their limit as the girl that helped me told me when I got there that they have not had many pre-orders at all and she was excited to take my order!!! I cannot believe this, I am so pissed off right now... I am going to try another more reliable BB tomorrow morning but I am afraid that the result will be the same.... ;-/ I have not heard ANYONE ELSE having THIS issue.... UNREAL...
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So I just got back from BB and I went all through the process and everything was going perfectly AND THEN I get to the very end where they are gonna place the pre-order for my black note 4 for me and the computer would not let them do it... they told me "the system has turned off pre-orders for both the black and white note 4" I asked to speak to a manager and he said he does not know if they hit their limit or if it is a technical problem and he took my info and is going to call me back (unlikely). I cannot see how they could have hit their limit as the girl that helped me told me when I got there that they have not had many pre-orders at all and she was excited to take my order!!! I cannot believe this, I am so pissed off right now... I am going to try another more reliable BB tomorrow morning but I am afraid that the result will be the same.... ;-/ I have not heard ANYONE ELSE having THIS issue.... UNREAL...
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Yes, confirmed, same thing happened here today. It kind of a surprise for both me and the sale guy.
sidthekid28 said:
So I just got back from BB and I went all through the process and everything was going perfectly AND THEN I get to the very end where they are gonna place the pre-order for my black note 4 for me and the computer would not let them do it... they told me "the system has turned off pre-orders for both the black and white note 4" I asked to speak to a manager and he said he does not know if they hit their limit or if it is a technical problem and he took my info and is going to call me back (unlikely). I cannot see how they could have hit their limit as the girl that helped me told me when I got there that they have not had many pre-orders at all and she was excited to take my order!!! I cannot believe this, I am so pissed off right now... I am going to try another more reliable BB tomorrow morning but I am afraid that the result will be the same.... ;-/ I have not heard ANYONE ELSE having THIS issue.... UNREAL...
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I just checked online, and it looks like the preorders are blocked online as well now. could be they are sold out already, which is odd, because our local store has very few preorders.
I wonder if you could preorder at our store and have it moved to your local store?
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I just checked online, and it looks like the preorders are blocked online as well now. could be they are sold out already, which is odd, because our local store has very few preorders.
I wonder if you could preorder at our store and have it moved to your local store?
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It HAS to be a technical problem!!! The manager I spoke to said each store has their own separate limit so I really doubt that is the issue here... I am going to be so pissed off if I don't get in on this promotion... the girl that helped me said they literally had like NO pre-orders so far... there is NO way this is a limit issue... Hopefully I will have better luck tomorrow and I will report back..
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Yes, confirmed, same thing happened here today. It kind of a surprise for both me and the sale guy.
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What is your location??? I tried today at the Deptford, NJ store... I find it weird that it happened to us both on the same day at almost the same exact time... this is leading me to believe it was a system issue and not a sell-out issue... I am hopeful for better results at the Mt. Laurel, NJ store tomorrow...
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It HAS to be a technical problem!!! The manager I spoke to said each store has their own separate limit so I really doubt that is the issue here... I am going to be so pissed off if I don't get in on this promotion... the girl that helped me said they literally had like NO pre-orders so far... there is NO way this is a limit issue... Hopefully I will have better luck tomorrow and I will report back..
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What is your location??? I tried today at the Deptford, NJ store... I find it weird that it happened to us both on the same day at almost the same exact time... this is leading me to believe it was a system issue and not a sell-out issue... I am hopeful for better results at the Mt. Laurel, NJ store tomorrow...
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I'm in Wilmington, DE. The only advantage getting from BestBuy is you get the money right away. We can get the promotion from everywhere because the promotion is run by Samsung, so I'm not sweating. I think BB stopped this globally for Verizon note 4, they removed the preorder option from the website, however, not for AT&T and others.
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I'm in Wilmington, DE. The only advantage getting from BestBuy is you get the money right away. We can get the promotion from everywhere because the promotion is run by Samsung, so I'm not sweating. I think BB stopped this globally for Verizon note 4, they removed the preorder option from the website, however, not for AT&T and others.
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Verizon note 4 was never on the website for pre-order... i checked every single day for the past 3 weeks, so they did not remove anything, it was never there... and I am still betting on something wrong with the system... I am not waiting for a check from samsung that might not even come for 6-8 weeks, BB HAS TO HONOR THE ADVERTISEMENT CONSIDERING THEY ARE STILL PUTTING THAT FRIGGIN SIGN OUTSIDE EACH MORNING RIGHT NOW. I GUARANTEE YOU I GET THEM TO TAKE MY PRE ORDER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. WATCH ME.
According to a Samsung chat I had yesterday, the $200 off the note 4 with a old phone DOES work when buying note 4 at full price. Just had a chat yesterday. Best buy did tell me it had to be upgrade but straight Samsung, they said it works full retain at Best Buy.
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Full price should work, with caveat
So if you check out the fine-print on the best buy preorder site (can't post the link because I'm a lurker...) it does not say you have to sign a new 2-year agreement. There IS another Best Buy site that indicates "must be eligible for upgrade," but does NOT explicitly state that you have to sign a new agreement. I'll be picking up my pre-ordered full-price (no new contract) Verizon Note 4 tomorrow around noon Eastern, and hope they don't try to insist a new contract is necessary for the $200 trade-in deal (I am eligible for an upgrade, but want to keep my unlimited data). If they do, I'll be calling my state attorney general to complain. I am not a lawyer, but the fine print published online does not indicate a new carrier agreement is necessary, nor does it point to a location where such a statement is made.
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So if you check out the fine-print on the best buy preorder site (can't post the link because I'm a lurker...) it does not say you have to sign a new 2-year agreement. There IS another Best Buy site that indicates "must be eligible for upgrade," but does NOT explicitly state that you have to sign a new agreement. I'll be picking up my pre-ordered full-price (no new contract) Verizon Note 4 tomorrow around noon Eastern, and hope they don't try to insist a new contract is necessary for the $200 trade-in deal (I am eligible for an upgrade, but want to keep my unlimited data). If they do, I'll be calling my state attorney general to complain. I am not a lawyer, but the fine print published online does not indicate a new carrier agreement is necessary, nor does it point to a location where such a statement is made.
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Upgrade eligibility means your line is nearing the end of its service agreement and you qualify for subsidized pricing. Both youmention are saying the same thing. The promotion requires a 2 yr agreement and trade in of any working device in the best buy trade in system. I used to work for best buy as a mobile phones sales lead on and off over the years as s part time job.
I traded in my S5 today. Got $245 for it. I paid $250 for it off of Clist 3 weeks ago and got 2 otter box cases, 64GB micro SD card and two chargers so I can sell the cases and the chargers if I want. BestBuy matched Verizon's $699 price and I got $245 off instantly for my trade-in. Walked out the door paying $494. I have mine on the Verizon Allset prepaid plan.
No upgrade or new activation here and I got the $200 off plus they matched Verizon at $699 and the manager told me to keep my trade-in. He tried to pull that BS with upgrade but he changed his mind about 5 minutes later. Out the door at $482
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No upgrade or new activation here and I got the $200 off plus they matched Verizon at $699 and the manager told me to keep my trade-in. He tried to pull that BS with upgrade but he changed his mind about 5 minutes later. Out the door at $482
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Just curious. $699-$200=$499. How do you get out the door at $482?
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Just curious. $699-$200=$499. How do you get out the door at $482?
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Sorry...I had the $50 gift card from pre-order. Actually $532 cuz the $50 was my money anyway. Shouldn't post when buzzed...sorry [emoji1]
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Sorry...I had the $50 gift card from pre-order. Actually $532 cuz the $50 was my money anyway. Shouldn't post when buzzed...sorry [emoji1]
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Oh ok. I thought somehow I may have gotten screwed.
Anyone know why Tmobile stopped carrying the HTC 10?
Due to the enormous failure of the m9 from last year and poor sales, tmobile stopped carrying htc devices in store. And now it seems they dont even carry them at all. Due to poor demand and low sales.
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Due to the enormous failure of the m9 from last year and poor sales, tmobile stopped carrying htc devices in store. And now it seems they dont even carry them at all. Due to poor demand and low sales.
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I figured as much. Thanks.
I highly doubt that lol. Sounds like a comment left by a samsung boy or samsung employee. This happened a while back it disappeared off their web site due to being out of stock then went back on. If you want to order one call tmobile and I"am sure you can place an order on the phone. And from what I know personally that tmobile stores are small so they may not carry many heck my area of Ohio does not even have a tmobile store for 50 miles because they basically have no service here in this area.
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I highly doubt that lol. Sounds like a comment left by a samsung boy or samsung employee. This happened a while back it disappeared off their web site due to being out of stock then went back on. If you want to order one call tmobile and I"am sure you can place an order on the phone. And from what I know personally that tmobile stores are small so they may not carry many heck my area of Ohio does not even have a tmobile store for 50 miles because they basically have no service here in this area.
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nope its because of sales figure...I live in hawaii, Tmobile store here used to carry them, they have since discontinue and its not even on Tmobile website anymore.
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Chord_Hugo87 said:
nope its because of sales figure...I live in hawaii, Tmobile store here used to carry them, they have since discontinue and its not even on Tmobile website anymore.
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http://www.tmonews.com/2016/07/htc-10-disappears-t-mobile-online-store-t-mo-says-itll-return/
It's an old post though, hope still valid.
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I highly doubt that lol. Sounds like a comment left by a samsung boy or samsung employee. This happened a while back it disappeared off their web site due to being out of stock then went back on. If you want to order one call tmobile and I"am sure you can place an order on the phone. And from what I know personally that tmobile stores are small so they may not carry many heck my area of Ohio does not even have a tmobile store for 50 miles because they basically have no service here in this area.
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Actually no, I am an HTC fan. I have the m9 and m10. And low sales and low demand ARE the reason tmobile does not carry htc devices in store. Per several tmobile employees. I also live in Ohio and had to order mine online. Hopefully with the success of the 10, tmobile will start to carry them in store again.
Lol no. T-Mobile said it was a glitch and are looking to put it back on the site. Nothing to do with sale figures....no need to spread rumors.
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They are likely just getting small amounts, they have been in limited quantities since launch often showing as back order with 8+ week shipping estimates. About two weeks back they popped back up showing as in stock and I was able to grab one, probably pulled the website listing when sold out. There may be a very small amount reserved for telesales department and worth the try if you really want one.
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Lol no. T-Mobile said it was a glitch and are looking to put it back on the site. Nothing to do with sale figures....no need to spread rumors.
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Exactly too many samsung boys or samsung employees looking to put down Htc. As I said they are probably out of stock as the same thing happened a while back.
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nope its because of sales figure...I live in hawaii, Tmobile store here used to carry them, they have since discontinue and its not even on Tmobile website anymore.
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Uh no its not the web site is out of stock check again its because they sold out not because of low sales. Please do not spread unsubstantiated rumors. The sales of the 10 are not bad and tmobile is still selling it, call tmobile and ask...
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Actually no, I am an HTC fan. I have the m9 and m10. And low sales and low demand ARE the reason tmobile does not carry htc devices in store. Per several tmobile employees. I also live in Ohio and had to order mine online. Hopefully with the success of the 10, tmobile will start to carry them in store again.
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You cant believe employees at any store to actually have a clue to what is going on. Call tmobile and they will tell you the opposite and tell you not to listen to rumors from employees at any store.
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Anyone know why Tmobile stopped carrying the HTC 10?
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I've contacted both T-Mobile and HTC neither has a true answer. I reached out to head guy of T-Mobile and said he is unsure why. My guess is due to a possible manufacturing problem they couldn't keep up. T-Mobile didn't remove stock from stores they just never received a new shipment. There are several stores near me that has them.
I just got my HTC 10 from T Mobile last week. Online store. Traded my S7 Edge for it.
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I doubt its poor sales or demand. I was trying to grab one from BestBuy yesterday, instore because their site is sold out, and the rep said they have zero at the warehouse and no BestBuy in Michigan or the five surrounding states have any in stock.
I saw him searching through the computer and the inventory everywhere was all zeros. They took so long to get them in I stopped checking for awhile and now they all dried up.
For the record, I need to purchase it via BestBuy credit which is why I was trying to go there.
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It's an old post though, hope still valid.
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Lol no. T-Mobile said it was a glitch and are looking to put it back on the site. Nothing to do with sale figures....no need to spread rumors.
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They are likely just getting small amounts, they have been in limited quantities since launch often showing as back order with 8+ week shipping estimates. About two weeks back they popped back up showing as in stock and I was able to grab one, probably pulled the website listing when sold out. There may be a very small amount reserved for telesales department and worth the try if you really want one.
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Exactly too many samsung boys or samsung employees looking to put down Htc. As I said they are probably out of stock as the same thing happened a while back.
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Uh no its not the web site is out of stock check again its because they sold out not because of low sales. Please do not spread unsubstantiated rumors. The sales of the 10 are not bad and tmobile is still selling it, call tmobile and ask...
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You cant believe employees at any store to actually have a clue to what is going on. Call tmobile and they will tell you the opposite and tell you not to listen to rumors from employees at any store.
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I dont feel like replying to all of u so here goes.
First, If the website had a "glitch" dont you think they would fix it already? we are talking about a multi million dollars corporation not a mom and pop phone company. The news you reported regarding a "glitch" happen on july 20th, its august 7th now...so yea 17+ days and no fix?
Second, if the phone was low in stock they would still have the phone as an options, it would just be label as "back ordered", which highly unlikely since Samsung and Apple never ran into that problem when the phone has been out for several months.
Third, are you really surprise that the sales are bad? I mean cmon, this has been going on for years! you gotta be blind to not see it, HTC been losing money since HTC M7 and M8. all you gotta do is Google HTC stock ticker or Google HTC sales figures.
Fourth, I'm not a "sammy" fanboy as I do own an HTC 10 (I still do, I'm using it now till my S7 edge come back from repairs) and I did own an HTC one M8 as well as HTC HD2 and several other HTC product. I also own samsung, sony, apple and other phones. If you call people a Sammy fanboy then honestly what does that make you?
P.s be careful who you listen to in this thread, Lots of HTC employees in here. Cant blame them, if my jobs were on the line I would spread lies too.
I reached out to them asking if they were still selling it and if they planned to continue supporting the device with updates and got a response of:
"Hey Bill I hear you! I did some research with our teams here and I was not able to find anything indicating that we will not be supporting the HTC 10 It is currtently out of stock on our site, but we are planning on having it available again. We do not have any information yet when it will be available in stock again for order. Thanks again for checking with us on this! Let me know if there is anything else that I can take care of for you! *TimothyR"
I will say it's a bit concerning if they do get rid of it like this (like the Sony Xperia Z3 disappearing very unceremoniously from T-Mobile's site), we may also see no further updates of firmware, etc for the T-Mobile HTC 10 either, as I seem to remember them discontinuing updates on the Z3 after they stopped carrying that as well.
Only reason I am skeptical to believe them is that I've never seen a device that is "out of stock" just stop showing up on their site altogether. Usually it says "out of stock" with either a release time expected or "unknown"...
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I dont feel like replying to all of u so here goes.
First, If the website had a "glitch" dont you think they would fix it already? we are talking about a multi million dollars corporation not a mom and pop phone company. The news you reported regarding a "glitch" happen on july 20th, its august 7th now...so yea 17+ days and no fix?
Second, if the phone was low in stock they would still have the phone as an options, it would just be label as "back ordered", which highly unlikely since Samsung and Apple never ran into that problem when the phone has been out for several months.
Third, are you really surprise that the sales are bad? I mean cmon, this has been going on for years! you gotta be blind to not see it, HTC been losing money since HTC M7 and M8. all you gotta do is Google HTC stock ticker or Google HTC sales figures.
Fourth, I'm not a "sammy" fanboy as I do own an HTC 10 (I still do, I'm using it now till my S7 edge come back from repairs) and I did own an HTC one M8 as well as HTC HD2 and several other HTC product. I also own samsung, sony, apple and other phones. If you call people a Sammy fanboy then honestly what does that make you?
P.s be careful who you listen to in this thread, Lots of HTC employees in here. Cant blame them, if my jobs were on the line I would spread lies too.
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I can make my own assumption as well and negate what T-Mobile officially said regarding their site.
What if nobody bought it from T-Mobile because they instead bought it from HTC directly. Let's face it, what is the point of paying full price from T-Mobile when you can just buy it from HTC which comes with uh-oh. It's not like T-Mobile has any contract prices (subsidie) or promotions other than Jump anyway. It was available on HTC.com before T-Mobile anyways. Maybe T-Mobile knew that it couldn't really compete so that's why it included a few charger and case?
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what is the point of paying full price from T-Mobile when you can just buy it from HTC which comes with uh-oh.
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Your every day average consumer will purchase the device directly from their carrier and the thought of buying directly from the manufacturer never even crosses their mind. Furthermore, by purchasing from the carrier you are able to make payments and, like you mentioned, you're paying the same price anyway... would you rather pay ~$28/mo for 2 years or ~$700 all at once?
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Your every day average consumer will purchase the device directly from their carrier and the thought of buying directly from the manufacturer never even crosses their mind. Furthermore, by purchasing from the carrier you are able to make payments and, like you mentioned, you're paying the same price anyway... would you rather pay ~$28/mo for 2 years or ~$700 all at once?
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They both offer monthly installments. So maybe people shouldn't make assumptions and just pay attention to the facts, which was given by T-Mobile? I mean, what goes to show whose assumptions are correct when we don't have any facts for the matter?
The point I was making (and why I made that post) was what makes my assumptions any less credible than others who also make "claims" without knowing the actual, real reason.
Main point is: Be helpful and provide information when you know facts instead of misleading through assumptions. What if they buy an alternative to the 10 based on what was said, later to find out it was a glitch as they said. Now someone's assumption just costed that person several hundred dollars. I like to be considerate of others, especially when it comes to financial choices.
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I don't see anything about making payments from HTC unless you're talking about PayPal Credit for which you'll pay interest on if you don't pay it off in a year rather than 2 years through the carrier.
Chord_Hugo87 said:
I dont feel like replying to all of u so here goes.
First, If the website had a "glitch" dont you think they would fix it already? we are talking about a multi million dollars corporation not a mom and pop phone company. The news you reported regarding a "glitch" happen on july 20th, its august 7th now...so yea 17+ days and no fix?
Second, if the phone was low in stock they would still have the phone as an options, it would just be label as "back ordered", which highly unlikely since Samsung and Apple never ran into that problem when the phone has been out for several months.
Third, are you really surprise that the sales are bad? I mean cmon, this has been going on for years! you gotta be blind to not see it, HTC been losing money since HTC M7 and M8. all you gotta do is Google HTC stock ticker or Google HTC sales figures.
Fourth, I'm not a "sammy" fanboy as I do own an HTC 10 (I still do, I'm using it now till my S7 edge come back from repairs) and I did own an HTC one M8 as well as HTC HD2 and several other HTC product. I also own samsung, sony, apple and other phones. If you call people a Sammy fanboy then honestly what does that make you?
P.s be careful who you listen to in this thread, Lots of HTC employees in here. Cant blame them, if my jobs were on the line I would spread lies too.
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You should not be spreading rumors as your just guessing and you have no facts to support one word of what you said so everything you said was 0% based on facts so you cant say this was due to low sales. And this whole thread should be deleted because its a statement saying tmobile stopped selling the Htc 10 and not saying I think they might have. When you list something like that your saying its true then you should have the facts to back it up and that documentation was not provided as until it is then it does not exist and is nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor.