Hi,
I was hoping someone could answer this for me as I can't find an answer anywhere.
I was just wondering whether to buy the Google USB C cable that is stated to transfer at USB 2.0 speeds (480Mbps) or whether to buy a faster USB 3.0 (5Gbps) or 3.1 (10Gbps) cable (A to C).
I've found a few compliant USB C cables including a Belkin USB 3.1 A to C cable that transfers at 10Gbps and was hoping to take advantage of the USB 3.1 ports on my new Z170 based motherboard.
Thanks
Rambler76 said:
Hi,
I was hoping someone could answer this for me as I can't find an answer anywhere.
I was just wondering whether to buy the Google USB C cable that is stated to transfer at USB 2.0 speeds (480Mbps) or whether to buy a faster USB 3.0 (5Gbps) or 3.1 (10Gbps) cable (A to C).
I've found a few compliant USB C cables including a Belkin USB 3.1 A to C cable that transfers at 10Gbps and was hoping to take advantage of the USB 3.1 ports on my new Z170 based motherboard.
Thanks
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I do not believe the port in the Pixel C is USB 3.0. Therefore, it wouldn't be necessary to get a USB 3.1 cable. It should still work, but you wouldn't exceed USB 2.0 speeds, which is probably why Google's cable is only USB 2.0.
Thanks for the response.
Is anyone able to do a quick transfer with a USB 3.0/3.1 based Type C cable to see if it maxes out at USB 2.0 speeds.
It would be much appreciated.
charesa39 said:
I do not believe the port in the Pixel C is USB 3.0. Therefore, it wouldn't be necessary to get a USB 3.1 cable. It should still work, but you wouldn't exceed USB 2.0 speeds, which is probably why Google's cable is only USB 2.0.
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Most tech sites report the Pixel C has USB 3, but the fastest read speed I can get on a USB-C /3.0 flash drive is 27MB/s which leads me to believe even tech sites are confused and don't understand that USB-C does not automatically mean USB 3.
I think it was confirmed by Benson Leung, in the Reddit AMA, it's full host/client USB c spec so it's full speed port. Maybe another way to test would be to mount a USB 3 drive to pixel and storage benchmark it
I thought that the USB 3.1 host and client related only to the ability to charge the Pixel C as well as the ability to charge other devices from the Pixel C and to use the USB port for other devices such as an ethernet adapter.
beardymcgee said:
I think it was confirmed by Benson Leung, in the Reddit AMA, it's full host/client USB c spec so it's full speed port. Maybe another way to test would be to mount a USB 3 drive to pixel and storage benchmark it
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That's pretty much what I did. A USB 3 USB-C MicroSD flash drive. On my PC it reads at 80MB+, on the Pixel it is 25MB
I'm a bit confused now.
Recently I read a review by Benson Leung on a USB 2.0 A to C cable here http://www.amazon.com/review/R1AF6ZHBZRQFHV/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B018HUOMYE&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=2335752011&store=wireless on Amazon and at the end of the review states:
In conclusion, this is a Good cable for your Nexus 6P/5X to use with all of your older USB Type-A chargers, hubs, and PCs. It also works great with Chromebook Pixel 2015 and will work great on USB Type-C spec compliant devices to come! However, it is NOT a SuperSpeed USB 3.1 5gbps cable. Look elsewhere if you are specifically looking for a 5gbps cable for use with MacBook or Pixel C.
Is this implying that the Pixel C is capable of USB 3.0 speeds, but perhaps not at the moment?
Or is it just a typo as a Superspeed USB 3.1 cable should be capable of 10Gbps and not 5Gbps (USB 3.0).
That is interesting. I'd suspect he'd know what the C is. I however, have never gotten more than USB 2 speeds out of it.
Grims said:
That is interesting. I'd suspect he'd know what the C is. I however, have never gotten more than USB 2 speeds out of it.
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Just don't think it fully enabled yet same with HDMI out as well
HTC 10 Cable/charger
Hi guys i read a lot of issues about USB C cables and chargers dangerous for your phone...
What do i have to check before buying a charger or cable to see if its save to use on my htc 10 without messing up the battery.
AFAIK, simply make sure that the cable has a 56k resistor.
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Hi.
I ordered this cable http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Latest-1M-USB-3-1-standard-A-to-Type-C-cable-USB-Data-Sync-Charge/32335241897.html
It´s the USB 3.0 to type C. It as the 56k resistor.
Does it matter if the cable is 3.0? Or it´s best to buy the 2.0? Because of the voltage (problems?)...
Thank you.
This is what I use
I use this at home with the quick charge base that came with the phone:
http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-Braid...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
I use this in the car:
http://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Braid...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
And I use the cable that came with the phone at work/carry with me.
All work wonderfully and support quick charge.
No, the cables are not dangerous to your phone... There are no voltage problems...
If you've been reading Benson Leung's reviews of legacy type C products, the big deal is that..
..some of the A to C cables as an example don't follow the Type C specification.
Meaning they're not using a 56kOhm pull up resistor on the CC pin.
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What that does is it tells the device (phone) that it is connected to a legacy A port and to draw "default USB power".
If you have a let's say a Nexus 6P and you have a type A-C cable which instead of the 56kOhm resistor has a 10kOhm resistor on the C pin.
The Nexus 6P is going to think that between it and the charger is a C-C cable > connect to 5V 1A charger and the phone is going to try and draw 3A of power even though the charger cannot support it.
If the A-C cable has the 56kOhm resistor instead of the 10kOhm resistor, it is going to tell the device that A-ha! this is a A-C cable which can be plugged into regular USB ports on desktop computers, laptops, car radio, whatever.
Now when you plug the phone in to a 5V 1A charger, it's going to pull 1A of current. Because that's what the charger supports.
If you plug it into a USB 2.0 port, it's going to draw 0.5A of current. Because that's what the port supports.
If you use a "bad cable" with a Nexus 6P which doesn't have the 56kOhm resistor, first and foremost it is going to damage the charger not the phone.
What cable to buy?
If you're looking at A to C or whatever, make sure the seller or manufacturer tells you that it has a 56kOhm resistor.
That means the cable follows the USB Type C specification.
If the seller or manufacturer does not state it has it
OR
If the seller or manufacturer refuses to tell you
OR
If the seller or manufacturer does not know
Don't buy that cable. As simple as that.
There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification.
Buy one of them.
Do I want to buy USB 3.0 A to USB C cable? Does it matter?
For file transfers to computer it does matter.
For charging, NO it does not.
The HTC 10 supports USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) speeds.
USB 2.0 real life transfer speed is ~30-40MB/s.
USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) can theoretically do up to 5Gbit/s or 625MB/s.
Now that word theoretically is bolded with a reason. Realistically speaking we're looking at about 500MB/s max.
But again, that's just the maximum of what the USB standard can do.
The HTC 10 storage can read up to ~170MB/s and write up to ~105MB/s.
With the HTC 10 if you go from USB2.0 > 3.0 it means transfer speeds can be up to
~4.2-5.6x faster phone>>PC
~2.6-3.5x faster phone<<PC
^This assumes that your PC storage (SSD or HDD) is fast enough.^
With USB 3.0 cable you also need to go in to Settings > More > USB Connection and enable "Fast File Transfers"
If you want to use Quick Charge, make sure the cable you're buying is not a "charge only" cable.
Before Quick Charge works, there needs to be a digital handshake between the device and charger.
You can check this yourself, use the stock Rapid Charger 3.0 and A-C cable > plug the phone in > phone starts charging pretty much instantaneously BUT the "Quick Charger connected" text does not pop up until a few seconds after.
That was the digital handshake. It needs a couple of seconds "Charge only" cables only have 2x wires inside, they are the power wires going to VCC and GND pins.
"Charge and sync" or your every day, run of the mill, cable has at least 4x wires inside, there's the power wires (VCC, GND pins) and then there's the USB 2.0 data wires (D+, D- pins).
What that means is that the "charge only" cable cannot work with Quick Charge because there are NO DATA WIRES inside the cable.
The digital handshake happens through the data wires.
If you buy a USB cable and it does not say "charge only" then the cable is a REGULAR "charge and sync" cable. eg. what you want.
If the cable is "charge only" it will say so!
IF you wish to not use the Quick Charge feature, then sure, go ahead and knock yourself out.
Use a "charge only" cable if you so wish. Your phone will just charge slower.
@lagittaja
Very detailed and precise information.
Thank you.
I bought a 2.0 type A to C cable from Cable Matters, havent tried it yet though. I hope it works well and does nothing bad on my phone.
lagittaja said:
No, the cables are not dangerous to your phone... There are no voltage problems...
If you've been reading Benson Leung's reviews of legacy type C products, the big deal is that..
..some of the A to C cables as an example don't follow the Type C specification.
Meaning they're not using a 56kOhm pull up resistor on the CC pin.
What that does is it tells the device (phone) that it is connected to a legacy A port and to draw "default USB power".
If you have a let's say a Nexus 6P and you have a type A-C cable which instead of the 56kOhm resistor has a 10kOhm resistor on the C pin.
The Nexus 6P is going to think that between it and the charger is a C-C cable > connect to 5V 1A charger and the phone is going to try and draw 3A of power even though the charger cannot support it.
If the A-C cable has the 56kOhm resistor instead of the 10kOhm resistor, it is going to tell the device that A-ha! this is a A-C cable which can be plugged into regular USB ports on desktop computers, laptops, car radio, whatever.
Now when you plug the phone in to a 5V 1A charger, it's going to pull 1A of current. Because that's what the charger supports.
If you plug it into a USB 2.0 port, it's going to draw 0.5A of current. Because that's what the port supports.
If you use a "bad cable" with a Nexus 6P which doesn't have the 56kOhm resistor, first and foremost it is going to damage the charger not the phone.
What cable to buy?
If you're looking at A to C or whatever, make sure the seller or manufacturer tells you that it has a 56kOhm resistor.
That means the cable follows the USB Type C specification.
If the seller or manufacturer does not state it has it
OR
If the seller or manufacturer refuses to tell you
OR
If the seller or manufacturer does not know
Don't buy that cable. As simple as that.
There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification.
Buy one of them.
Do I want to buy USB 3.0 A to USB C cable? Does it matter?
For file transfers to computer it does matter.
For charging, NO it does not.
The HTC 10 supports USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) speeds.
USB 2.0 real life transfer speed is ~30-40MB/s.
USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) can theoretically do up to 5Gbit/s or 625MB/s.
Now that word theoretically is bolded with a reason. Realistically speaking we're looking at about 500MB/s max.
But again, that's just the maximum of what the USB standard can do.
The HTC 10 storage can read up to ~170MB/s and write up to ~105MB/s.
With the HTC 10 if you go from USB2.0 > 3.0 it means transfer speeds can be up to
~4.2-5.6x faster phone>>PC
~2.6-3.5x faster phone<<PC
^This assumes that your PC storage (SSD or HDD) is fast enough.^
With USB 3.0 cable you also need to go in to Settings > More > USB Connection and enable "Fast File Transfers"
If you want to use Quick Charge, make sure the cable you're buying is not a "charge only" cable.
Before Quick Charge works, there needs to be a digital handshake between the device and charger.
You can check this yourself, use the stock Rapid Charger 3.0 and A-C cable > plug the phone in > phone starts charging pretty much instantaneously BUT the "Quick Charger connected" text does not pop up until a few seconds after.
That was the digital handshake. It needs a couple of seconds "Charge only" cables only have 2x wires inside, they are the power wires going to VCC and GND pins.
"Charge and sync" or your every day, run of the mill, cable has at least 4x wires inside, there's the power wires (VCC, GND pins) and then there's the USB 2.0 data wires (D+, D- pins).
What that means is that the "charge only" cable cannot work with Quick Charge because there are NO DATA WIRES inside the cable.
The digital handshake happens through the data wires.
If you buy a USB cable and it does not say "charge only" then the cable is a REGULAR "charge and sync" cable. eg. what you want.
If the cable is "charge only" it will say so!
IF you wish to not use the Quick Charge feature, then sure, go ahead and knock yourself out.
Use a "charge only" cable if you so wish. Your phone will just charge slower.
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AWESOME POST! I bolded the most important part of this.
Odd, I can't get the USB 3.1 Fast file transfers to work. I'm using the stock cable that comes with my HTC 10 with my Win 10 computer (X99-m WS mobo, which has USB 3.1 ports), and I see a message "USB 3.1 unavailable Make sure you're using a USB3.1 cable. The other connected device also needs to support USB3.1." I'm also seeing what seem like USB 2.0 transfer speeds when I transfer a large file from my phone to my desktop.
Anyone have this working? Or can recommend how to get this working?
NessLookAlike said:
Odd, I can't get the USB 3.1 Fast file transfers to work. I'm using the stock cable that comes with my HTC 10 with my Win 10 computer (X99-m WS mobo, which has USB 3.1 ports), and I see a message "USB 3.1 unavailable Make sure you're using a USB3.1 cable. The other connected device also needs to support USB3.1." I'm also seeing what seem like USB 2.0 transfer speeds when I transfer a large file from my phone to my desktop.
Anyone have this working? Or can recommend how to get this working?
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Stock cable is USB 2.0.
http://www.htc.com/us/accessories/usb-type-c-cable/#!pid=htc-10
"There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there"
Hello!
"There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification."
Are there really?
The last days I am searching for one that complies with the following specifications:
- USB A (3.1) to USB C (3.1)
- 56KΩ pull-up resistor
- Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 3.0
- USB 3.1 speeds (5 Gbps-transfer)
.....with no luck at all! ....unfortunately I end up ordering a wrong cable.
Can somebody share with me the a brand/model of a cable that actually does all the above?
Thanks!!!
Also ordered 2 cables but the app checkR doesn't work with HTC 10. Transfering files didn't seem very quick but it did charge...
llzzrrdd said:
Hello!
"There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification."
Are there really?
The last days I am searching for one that complies with the following specifications:
- USB A (3.1) to USB C (3.1)
- 56KΩ pull-up resistor
- Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 3.0
- USB 3.1 speeds (5 Gbps-transfer)
.....with no luck at all! ....unfortunately I end up ordering a wrong cable.
Can somebody share with me the a brand/model of a cable that actually does all the above?
Thanks!!!
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I am hoping that this one is fully compliant. I ordered one, and can report back here once I get to use it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010NCX2X6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Why don't you buy original one from HTC website?
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
nathasnajperowa said:
Why don't you buy original one from HTC website?
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
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If you pull up the Specs + Compatibility on that cable (which is the one they ship with the HTC 10) you will see that it is only a USB 2.0 cable. I am rather disappointed they are doing this, given how feature-laden this phone is supposed to be. That's like shipping a Ferrari with a Yugo transmission.
Zoandroid said:
If you pull up the Specs + Compatibility on that cable (which is the one they ship with the HTC 10) you will see that it is only a USB 2.0 cable. I am rather disappointed they are doing this, given how feature-laden this phone is supposed to be. That's like shipping a Ferrari with a Yugo transmission.
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Wow, You made my day with this comparison i didn't know that, its quite dissapointing however cause Htc 10 is the only main brand 2016 flagship supporting USB C as 3.1, not only USB B covered by cable C like others :/
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
nathasnajperowa said:
Wow, You made my day with this comparison i didn't know that, its quite dissapointing however cause Htc 10 is the only main brand 2016 flagship supporting USB C as 3.1, not only USB B covered by cable C like others :/
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
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Yea, I can't believe they did that on a high end phone. Hopefully the cable I chose above will enable true USB 3 file copy speeds, but at the moment my PC doesn't have USB 3.1 capability. Just USB 3.0. However, on the Galaxy S5 I am coming from, which had a micro-USB 3 connection, I did head to head comparison tests for copying SD card content and nandroid backups to my PC, and it was appreciably faster over USB 3.0 than over a USB 2 connection.
And little OT my second dissapointment is using eMMc 5.1 internal memory instead of UFS 2.0. I love the phone but why they made so stupid cutting off specs when the device is expensive enough to not make such a savings.
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
Zoandroid said:
Yea, I can't believe they did that on a high end phone. Hopefully the cable I chose above will enable true USB 3 file copy speeds, but at the moment my PC doesn't have USB 3.1 capability. Just USB 3.0.
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Unfortunately, the issue in red, above, seems to be the deal breaker. I have this shiny new Belkin genuine USB 3.1 - 10 Gbps certified - cable, but using it on the USB 3.0 port on my PC I cannot enable USB 3.1 file transfer on the HTC 10 under Settings/More/USB. It is grayed out, unless I set USB to be used for "charging". It is odd that undoes being grayed out, because I don't think it can transfer files in USB Charging mode.
So, I am stuck transferring files at USB 2.0 speeds. Apparently they did not allow for the interim USB 3.0 file copy speeds at all. It's either USB 3.1 all the way, or USB 2. That might be why HTC ships the 10 with only USB 2 cables. Perhaps they are assuming most people don't yet have USB 3.1 ports on their PCs yet?
lagittaja said:
No, the cables are not dangerous to your phone... There are no voltage problems...
If you've been reading Benson Leung's reviews of legacy type C products, the big deal is that..
..some of the A to C cables as an example don't follow the Type C specification.
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Thanks lagittaja for the detailed description! It means this is valid only on the USB A to USB C cables?
I'm just before buying an USB-C to USB-C cable for charging my HTC 10 phone from my HP Elitebook 840 G3. Do I have to be attention anything in this case too?
This thread intended to be an easy location to add tried adapters and accessories connecting to the USB-C port.
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HDMI port.
Adapter must use display port protocol (I think). This USB-C to HDMI, USB3.1, and USB-C (charging port in only) works. Found on eBay.
USB Type C Hub for Macbook Pixel USB C to HDMI USB 3.0 & USB-C Charging Port
Brand MyTripleBest
MTB--USB-C-A.
This one uses MHL protocol, and does NOT work.
Black Type-C MHL 2.0 to HDMI Female HDTV Monitor Adapter USB 3.1 Cable Converter
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Micro USB accessories.-
For OTG accessories, and some attachments such as cameras, the phone is the USB host.
'Conforming' USB-C to micro adapters (listing the '56k resistor' ) will not work. Tells the phone to take a charge, it is not host.
Look for adapters that are non conforming, better yet are 'OTG' compatible.
One is:
Meenova
USB 3.1 Type-C to MicroUSB 2.0 Female OTG Adapter, Gray, pack of 2
My micro USB thermal camera, 3d camera, and USB host cables work. There are other brands as well.
## This message is NOT about connecting phone to a charger or PC ##
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lsblack said:
Micro USB accessories.-
For OTG accessories, and some attachments such as cameras, the phone is the USB host.
'Conforming' USB-C to micro adapters (listing the '56k resistor' ) will not work. Tells the phone to take a charge, it is not host.
Look for adapters that are non conforming, better yet are 'OTG' compatible.
One is:
Meenova
USB 3.1 Type-C to MicroUSB 2.0 Female OTG Adapter, Gray, pack of 2
My micro USB thermal camera, 3d camera, and USB host cables work. There are other brands as well.
## This message is NOT about connecting phone to a charger or PC ##
I'm currently (partially successfully) using the following in an attempt to use an External 1TB Drive as a portable backup solution for travels:
Type C Adapter, RAVPower USB C To A Female OTG Cable, USB-C On The Go Convertor for New MacBook and Other Devices with Type C USB
I can get images onto the phone's internal 128GB card (Lexar Professional 1800x microSDXC 128GB UHS-II W/USB 3.0 Reader Flash Memory Card - LSDMI128CRBNA1800R) via OTG and Card Reader ...I cannot get them off of the internal on to the External 1TB via the OTG cable.
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Problem with old HTC M8 Charger
At home I use the charger that came with the phone.
At the office, I was planning to use the HTC charger that came with my old M8, maybe not quite as fast.
But strangely enough, when I do that, the charge light turns on and off every couple of seconds, it wakes the phone, and it doesn't charge.
A Belkin 2.1A charger I had works fine though. Go figure.
I don't think the HTC 10 is compliant with USB-C Power Delivery (Such as the Nexus 6p) do deliver the rapid charging speeds of up to 3A via a USB-C charger and a USB-C to USB-C cable. I remember reading up about it of an article referencing Benson Leung (not the 1st one, but most recent one). He said the LG G5 is compliant with the Power Delivery achieving the 3A max input. But the HTC 10 only achieves 2A.
I can about confirm this because I have 2 USB-C wall chargers, one by Cheotech that gives me around 1600mah-1700mAh, and one by iClever, which gives me the same speeds. My RavPower Turbo Series Powerbank with the USB-C port and the max of 3A output gives me the same 1600-1700mAh speeds of input into the HTC 10 as well.
I've tested a Samsung adaptive fast charger from the s7 and s6 with the OEM cable and a ravpower A to C cable and it shows Rapid Charging when plugged in.
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MTB Adapter
@lsblack
adapter must use display port protocol (I think). This USB-C to HDMI, USB3.1, and USB-C (charging port in only) works. Found on eBay.
USB Type C Hub for Macbook Pixel USB C to HDMI USB 3.0 & USB-C Charging Port
Brand MyTripleBest
MTB--USB-C-A.
This adapter didnt worked with my HTC 10, it showed that video was conected but there was no transmition over to the TV or monitor, or am i doing something wrong? i mean i tried everything, and it didnt worked >.<, or maybe i got a defective unit? also, are you connecting into a 1080p, 2k or 4k TV/Monitor? maybe is that...
Hi all,
Current owner of a P2XL 128GB, running the .025 Nov patch. Everything works as expected, except, when I try to copy some data from my laptop using the USB Type A-C cable.
USB transfers (using a third party type A-C cable) are extremely slow. I mean, it took me well over 15-20minutes to copy 39MB of data in around 25 pictures. Similarly, it took me well over a minute to copy 2 x mp3 songs around 15MB combined. This baffles me...
I have used this same cable with my Nexus 6P for a long time and had no data transfer speed issues and I also used this same cable to do all the unlocking and flashing earlier on the P2XL. Although I believe P2XL has a USB 3.1 spec Type C port, whereas the 6P was USB 2.0 spec.
My old cable (USB 2.0 spec):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B017K32VWY
New USB 3.1 spec type A-C cable I have just ordered:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LXK7CQG/
Any of you experienced slow data transfer speeds or have any suggestions?
Problem resolved by using a different usb cable and PC. There is no problem with the phone.
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