HTC 10 Cable/charger - HTC 10 Questions & Answers
HTC 10 Cable/charger
Hi guys i read a lot of issues about USB C cables and chargers dangerous for your phone...
What do i have to check before buying a charger or cable to see if its save to use on my htc 10 without messing up the battery.
AFAIK, simply make sure that the cable has a 56k resistor.
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Hi.
I ordered this cable http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Latest-1M-USB-3-1-standard-A-to-Type-C-cable-USB-Data-Sync-Charge/32335241897.html
It´s the USB 3.0 to type C. It as the 56k resistor.
Does it matter if the cable is 3.0? Or it´s best to buy the 2.0? Because of the voltage (problems?)...
Thank you.
This is what I use
I use this at home with the quick charge base that came with the phone:
http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-Braid...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
I use this in the car:
http://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Braid...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
And I use the cable that came with the phone at work/carry with me.
All work wonderfully and support quick charge.
No, the cables are not dangerous to your phone... There are no voltage problems...
If you've been reading Benson Leung's reviews of legacy type C products, the big deal is that..
..some of the A to C cables as an example don't follow the Type C specification.
Meaning they're not using a 56kOhm pull up resistor on the CC pin.
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What that does is it tells the device (phone) that it is connected to a legacy A port and to draw "default USB power".
If you have a let's say a Nexus 6P and you have a type A-C cable which instead of the 56kOhm resistor has a 10kOhm resistor on the C pin.
The Nexus 6P is going to think that between it and the charger is a C-C cable > connect to 5V 1A charger and the phone is going to try and draw 3A of power even though the charger cannot support it.
If the A-C cable has the 56kOhm resistor instead of the 10kOhm resistor, it is going to tell the device that A-ha! this is a A-C cable which can be plugged into regular USB ports on desktop computers, laptops, car radio, whatever.
Now when you plug the phone in to a 5V 1A charger, it's going to pull 1A of current. Because that's what the charger supports.
If you plug it into a USB 2.0 port, it's going to draw 0.5A of current. Because that's what the port supports.
If you use a "bad cable" with a Nexus 6P which doesn't have the 56kOhm resistor, first and foremost it is going to damage the charger not the phone.
What cable to buy?
If you're looking at A to C or whatever, make sure the seller or manufacturer tells you that it has a 56kOhm resistor.
That means the cable follows the USB Type C specification.
If the seller or manufacturer does not state it has it
OR
If the seller or manufacturer refuses to tell you
OR
If the seller or manufacturer does not know
Don't buy that cable. As simple as that.
There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification.
Buy one of them.
Do I want to buy USB 3.0 A to USB C cable? Does it matter?
For file transfers to computer it does matter.
For charging, NO it does not.
The HTC 10 supports USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) speeds.
USB 2.0 real life transfer speed is ~30-40MB/s.
USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) can theoretically do up to 5Gbit/s or 625MB/s.
Now that word theoretically is bolded with a reason. Realistically speaking we're looking at about 500MB/s max.
But again, that's just the maximum of what the USB standard can do.
The HTC 10 storage can read up to ~170MB/s and write up to ~105MB/s.
With the HTC 10 if you go from USB2.0 > 3.0 it means transfer speeds can be up to
~4.2-5.6x faster phone>>PC
~2.6-3.5x faster phone<<PC
^This assumes that your PC storage (SSD or HDD) is fast enough.^
With USB 3.0 cable you also need to go in to Settings > More > USB Connection and enable "Fast File Transfers"
If you want to use Quick Charge, make sure the cable you're buying is not a "charge only" cable.
Before Quick Charge works, there needs to be a digital handshake between the device and charger.
You can check this yourself, use the stock Rapid Charger 3.0 and A-C cable > plug the phone in > phone starts charging pretty much instantaneously BUT the "Quick Charger connected" text does not pop up until a few seconds after.
That was the digital handshake. It needs a couple of seconds "Charge only" cables only have 2x wires inside, they are the power wires going to VCC and GND pins.
"Charge and sync" or your every day, run of the mill, cable has at least 4x wires inside, there's the power wires (VCC, GND pins) and then there's the USB 2.0 data wires (D+, D- pins).
What that means is that the "charge only" cable cannot work with Quick Charge because there are NO DATA WIRES inside the cable.
The digital handshake happens through the data wires.
If you buy a USB cable and it does not say "charge only" then the cable is a REGULAR "charge and sync" cable. eg. what you want.
If the cable is "charge only" it will say so!
IF you wish to not use the Quick Charge feature, then sure, go ahead and knock yourself out.
Use a "charge only" cable if you so wish. Your phone will just charge slower.
@lagittaja
Very detailed and precise information.
Thank you.
I bought a 2.0 type A to C cable from Cable Matters, havent tried it yet though. I hope it works well and does nothing bad on my phone.
lagittaja said:
No, the cables are not dangerous to your phone... There are no voltage problems...
If you've been reading Benson Leung's reviews of legacy type C products, the big deal is that..
..some of the A to C cables as an example don't follow the Type C specification.
Meaning they're not using a 56kOhm pull up resistor on the CC pin.
What that does is it tells the device (phone) that it is connected to a legacy A port and to draw "default USB power".
If you have a let's say a Nexus 6P and you have a type A-C cable which instead of the 56kOhm resistor has a 10kOhm resistor on the C pin.
The Nexus 6P is going to think that between it and the charger is a C-C cable > connect to 5V 1A charger and the phone is going to try and draw 3A of power even though the charger cannot support it.
If the A-C cable has the 56kOhm resistor instead of the 10kOhm resistor, it is going to tell the device that A-ha! this is a A-C cable which can be plugged into regular USB ports on desktop computers, laptops, car radio, whatever.
Now when you plug the phone in to a 5V 1A charger, it's going to pull 1A of current. Because that's what the charger supports.
If you plug it into a USB 2.0 port, it's going to draw 0.5A of current. Because that's what the port supports.
If you use a "bad cable" with a Nexus 6P which doesn't have the 56kOhm resistor, first and foremost it is going to damage the charger not the phone.
What cable to buy?
If you're looking at A to C or whatever, make sure the seller or manufacturer tells you that it has a 56kOhm resistor.
That means the cable follows the USB Type C specification.
If the seller or manufacturer does not state it has it
OR
If the seller or manufacturer refuses to tell you
OR
If the seller or manufacturer does not know
Don't buy that cable. As simple as that.
There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification.
Buy one of them.
Do I want to buy USB 3.0 A to USB C cable? Does it matter?
For file transfers to computer it does matter.
For charging, NO it does not.
The HTC 10 supports USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) speeds.
USB 2.0 real life transfer speed is ~30-40MB/s.
USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) can theoretically do up to 5Gbit/s or 625MB/s.
Now that word theoretically is bolded with a reason. Realistically speaking we're looking at about 500MB/s max.
But again, that's just the maximum of what the USB standard can do.
The HTC 10 storage can read up to ~170MB/s and write up to ~105MB/s.
With the HTC 10 if you go from USB2.0 > 3.0 it means transfer speeds can be up to
~4.2-5.6x faster phone>>PC
~2.6-3.5x faster phone<<PC
^This assumes that your PC storage (SSD or HDD) is fast enough.^
With USB 3.0 cable you also need to go in to Settings > More > USB Connection and enable "Fast File Transfers"
If you want to use Quick Charge, make sure the cable you're buying is not a "charge only" cable.
Before Quick Charge works, there needs to be a digital handshake between the device and charger.
You can check this yourself, use the stock Rapid Charger 3.0 and A-C cable > plug the phone in > phone starts charging pretty much instantaneously BUT the "Quick Charger connected" text does not pop up until a few seconds after.
That was the digital handshake. It needs a couple of seconds "Charge only" cables only have 2x wires inside, they are the power wires going to VCC and GND pins.
"Charge and sync" or your every day, run of the mill, cable has at least 4x wires inside, there's the power wires (VCC, GND pins) and then there's the USB 2.0 data wires (D+, D- pins).
What that means is that the "charge only" cable cannot work with Quick Charge because there are NO DATA WIRES inside the cable.
The digital handshake happens through the data wires.
If you buy a USB cable and it does not say "charge only" then the cable is a REGULAR "charge and sync" cable. eg. what you want.
If the cable is "charge only" it will say so!
IF you wish to not use the Quick Charge feature, then sure, go ahead and knock yourself out.
Use a "charge only" cable if you so wish. Your phone will just charge slower.
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AWESOME POST! I bolded the most important part of this.
Odd, I can't get the USB 3.1 Fast file transfers to work. I'm using the stock cable that comes with my HTC 10 with my Win 10 computer (X99-m WS mobo, which has USB 3.1 ports), and I see a message "USB 3.1 unavailable Make sure you're using a USB3.1 cable. The other connected device also needs to support USB3.1." I'm also seeing what seem like USB 2.0 transfer speeds when I transfer a large file from my phone to my desktop.
Anyone have this working? Or can recommend how to get this working?
NessLookAlike said:
Odd, I can't get the USB 3.1 Fast file transfers to work. I'm using the stock cable that comes with my HTC 10 with my Win 10 computer (X99-m WS mobo, which has USB 3.1 ports), and I see a message "USB 3.1 unavailable Make sure you're using a USB3.1 cable. The other connected device also needs to support USB3.1." I'm also seeing what seem like USB 2.0 transfer speeds when I transfer a large file from my phone to my desktop.
Anyone have this working? Or can recommend how to get this working?
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Stock cable is USB 2.0.
http://www.htc.com/us/accessories/usb-type-c-cable/#!pid=htc-10
"There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there"
Hello!
"There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification."
Are there really?
The last days I am searching for one that complies with the following specifications:
- USB A (3.1) to USB C (3.1)
- 56KΩ pull-up resistor
- Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 3.0
- USB 3.1 speeds (5 Gbps-transfer)
.....with no luck at all! ....unfortunately I end up ordering a wrong cable.
Can somebody share with me the a brand/model of a cable that actually does all the above?
Thanks!!!
Also ordered 2 cables but the app checkR doesn't work with HTC 10. Transfering files didn't seem very quick but it did charge...
llzzrrdd said:
Hello!
"There are loads and loads and loads of proper, type A to C cables out there that properly follow the specification."
Are there really?
The last days I am searching for one that complies with the following specifications:
- USB A (3.1) to USB C (3.1)
- 56KΩ pull-up resistor
- Qualcomm® Quick Charge™ 3.0
- USB 3.1 speeds (5 Gbps-transfer)
.....with no luck at all! ....unfortunately I end up ordering a wrong cable.
Can somebody share with me the a brand/model of a cable that actually does all the above?
Thanks!!!
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I am hoping that this one is fully compliant. I ordered one, and can report back here once I get to use it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010NCX2X6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Why don't you buy original one from HTC website?
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
nathasnajperowa said:
Why don't you buy original one from HTC website?
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
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If you pull up the Specs + Compatibility on that cable (which is the one they ship with the HTC 10) you will see that it is only a USB 2.0 cable. I am rather disappointed they are doing this, given how feature-laden this phone is supposed to be. That's like shipping a Ferrari with a Yugo transmission.
Zoandroid said:
If you pull up the Specs + Compatibility on that cable (which is the one they ship with the HTC 10) you will see that it is only a USB 2.0 cable. I am rather disappointed they are doing this, given how feature-laden this phone is supposed to be. That's like shipping a Ferrari with a Yugo transmission.
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Wow, You made my day with this comparison i didn't know that, its quite dissapointing however cause Htc 10 is the only main brand 2016 flagship supporting USB C as 3.1, not only USB B covered by cable C like others :/
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
nathasnajperowa said:
Wow, You made my day with this comparison i didn't know that, its quite dissapointing however cause Htc 10 is the only main brand 2016 flagship supporting USB C as 3.1, not only USB B covered by cable C like others :/
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
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Yea, I can't believe they did that on a high end phone. Hopefully the cable I chose above will enable true USB 3 file copy speeds, but at the moment my PC doesn't have USB 3.1 capability. Just USB 3.0. However, on the Galaxy S5 I am coming from, which had a micro-USB 3 connection, I did head to head comparison tests for copying SD card content and nandroid backups to my PC, and it was appreciably faster over USB 3.0 than over a USB 2 connection.
And little OT my second dissapointment is using eMMc 5.1 internal memory instead of UFS 2.0. I love the phone but why they made so stupid cutting off specs when the device is expensive enough to not make such a savings.
Htc 10 + Oneplus 3
Zoandroid said:
Yea, I can't believe they did that on a high end phone. Hopefully the cable I chose above will enable true USB 3 file copy speeds, but at the moment my PC doesn't have USB 3.1 capability. Just USB 3.0.
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Unfortunately, the issue in red, above, seems to be the deal breaker. I have this shiny new Belkin genuine USB 3.1 - 10 Gbps certified - cable, but using it on the USB 3.0 port on my PC I cannot enable USB 3.1 file transfer on the HTC 10 under Settings/More/USB. It is grayed out, unless I set USB to be used for "charging". It is odd that undoes being grayed out, because I don't think it can transfer files in USB Charging mode.
So, I am stuck transferring files at USB 2.0 speeds. Apparently they did not allow for the interim USB 3.0 file copy speeds at all. It's either USB 3.1 all the way, or USB 2. That might be why HTC ships the 10 with only USB 2 cables. Perhaps they are assuming most people don't yet have USB 3.1 ports on their PCs yet?
lagittaja said:
No, the cables are not dangerous to your phone... There are no voltage problems...
If you've been reading Benson Leung's reviews of legacy type C products, the big deal is that..
..some of the A to C cables as an example don't follow the Type C specification.
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Thanks lagittaja for the detailed description! It means this is valid only on the USB A to USB C cables?
I'm just before buying an USB-C to USB-C cable for charging my HTC 10 phone from my HP Elitebook 840 G3. Do I have to be attention anything in this case too?
Related
USB type C and Quick Charge 3.0
This is interesting. Basically this guy is saying USB-C doesn't support proprietary charging above 5 volts which is why Google didn't use Quick Charge for the Nexus 6P. Maybe this is also why Samsung didn't use USB-C because they wanted to safely use Quick Charge? http://phandroid.com/2016/04/21/lg-g5-htc-10-usb-type-c/
This is going to be posted all over and its basically nonsense. The current QC 2.0 over micro usb are also using 9-12volts. And micro usb also only supports 5v. So. It's no different then it's ever been. Get a QC3.0 compatible charger/cable and be done.
regalpimpin said: This is going to be posted all over and its basically nonsense. The current QC 2.0 over micro usb are also using 9-12volts. And micro usb also only supports 5v. So. It's no different then it's ever been. Get a QC3.0 compatible charger/cable and be done. Click to expand... Click to collapse Quoted for truth. Quickcharge checks before sending down higher voltages. It's fully backwards compatible even if it's not part of the USB specs. There is no additional danger from what you had before.
I follow https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts for his tested products and I think everyone will be fine. Qualcomm has a list as well https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/q...ge-device-list
chazall1 said: I follow https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts for his tested products and I think everyone will be fine. Qualcomm has a list as well https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/q...ge-device-list Click to expand... Click to collapse Qualcomm link isn't working.
jsaxon2 said: Qualcomm link isn't working. Click to expand... Click to collapse https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
This is total BS!! I have the HTC 10 in my hands, it is quick charging with no issues. Also, take the Apple Macbook as an example, the laptop uses an USB-C port to charge, it inputs 14.5V with 2A. If the USB-C meets the USB-Power-Delivery standard, it can transfer up to 100W of power. Don't believe the BS article. Edit: It seems that Qualcomm uses their own implementation, but still it is transferring voltage over 5 volts
Is the article supposed to say that not all USB-C cables can support it? Maybe the cheap ones can't? Didn't Amazon just yank a bunch of cheaply made USB-C cables from their marketplace? Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk
Here's my take. I have always been under the impression the device dictates the watts and volts not the charger. The charger has a range it will draw power, and the phone tells the charger how much it needs. QC standard is UP TO and is not absolute. So if the device tells the charger I want 15W/5V that's what it'll get. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk
I've been trying to research and I have come up with a conclusion. This is only my opinion, but I have based it off of hours of research. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Is QC QuickCharge 3.0 charger going to hurt my phone or anyy other devices I may plug into it? Best I can figure is no. QC 3.0 chargers are designed to only fast charge if it is connected to a QC 3.0 device. Before it starts fast charging, it does a negotiation withh the device to verify if it supports QC 3.0. "Also, since Quick Charge is compatible and interoperable, a certified adapter can be used with a non-Quick Charge device, though the fast charging benefits of Quick Charge will not be available. " : Source Can my HTC 10 be charged qith a non QC 3.0 charger? The simple answer is yes. If you use one of the many non-QC 3.0 chargers that you have laying around, it will charge your phone just fine. This is as long as you use a compliant cable with the 56k ohm resistor. More on that next. Does it matter which USB cable I use? This one is tricky. I do not have an HTC 10 yet, but I have heard that it comes with a USB 2.0 Type A to USB 3.0 Type C cable. I can't find the source now, but it was in the Mega Thread. If this is true, than you should be able to use any cable this spec or better. By better I mean a USB 3.0 Type A to USB 3.1 Type 3 cable should work fine. The most important part is that the USB cable MUST have a 56k ohm resister. There have been some cheap cables using a 10k ohm resister that could cause problems. These problems could result in the port on the device or the charger getting damaged. Will the HTC 10 work with a USB-PD charger? Well first, USB-PD stands for USB-Power Delivery. This is the new USB fast charging standard set by the USB gods. This technology allows devices to receive more power and thus would allow a phone to charge more quickly. This is NOT the same as QC 3.0. QC 3.0 is a proprietary charging system and only available on certain Qualcomm powered devices. So can the HTC 10 use USB-PD? My guess is no but I could be wrong. According to GSMArena, the HTC 10 has aa USB 3.1 port. USB 3.1 supports USB-PD for quick charging. This would lead me to beleive that the HTC 10 supports both methods of fast charging. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find anywhere on HTC's site that specifies what the USB port actually is. My guess is that it is USB 3.1 compatible but not USB 3.1 compliant. by USB 3.1 compatible I am saying it will do everything that a compliant port will do except the USB-PD charging. We actually know that the port is not USB 3.1 compliant as the USB standard does not allow the method of fast charging that QC 3.0 utilizes. I hope this helps to clear some things up. Once again I am no expert, but this is the way it appears to work as far as I can tell. If there is anything that I have wrong, please let us know and I can change it. Thanks
jsaxon2 said: I've been trying to research and I have come up with a conclusion. This is only my opinion, but I have based it off of hours of research. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Is QC QuickCharge 3.0 charger going to hurt my phone or anyy other devices I may plug into it? Best I can figure is no. QC 3.0 chargers are designed to only fast charge if it is connected to a QC 3.0 device. Before it starts fast charging, it does a negotiation withh the device to verify if it supports QC 3.0. "Also, since Quick Charge is compatible and interoperable, a certified adapter can be used with a non-Quick Charge device, though the fast charging benefits of Quick Charge will not be available. " : Source Can my HTC 10 be charged qith a non QC 3.0 charger? The simple answer is yes. If you use one of the many non-QC 3.0 chargers that you have laying around, it will charge your phone just fine. This is as long as you use a compliant cable with the 56k ohm resistor. More on that next. Does it matter which USB cable I use? This one is tricky. I do not have an HTC 10 yet, but I have heard that it comes with a USB 2.0 Type A to USB 3.0 Type C cable. I can't find the source now, but it was in the Mega Thread. If this is true, than you should be able to use any cable this spec or better. By better I mean a USB 3.0 Type A to USB 3.1 Type 3 cable should work fine. The most important part is that the USB cable MUST have a 56k ohm resister. There have been some cheap cables using a 10k ohm resister that could cause problems. These problems could result in the port on the device or the charger getting damaged. Will the HTC 10 work with a USB-PD charger? Well first, USB-PD stands for USB-Power Delivery. This is the new USB fast charging standard set by the USB gods. This technology allows devices to receive more power and thus would allow a phone to charge more quickly. This is NOT the same as QC 3.0. QC 3.0 is a proprietary charging system and only available on certain Qualcomm powered devices. So can the HTC 10 use USB-PD? My guess is no but I could be wrong. According to GSMArena, the HTC 10 has aa USB 3.1 port. USB 3.1 supports USB-PD for quick charging. This would lead me to beleive that the HTC 10 supports both methods of fast charging. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find anywhere on HTC's site that specifies what the USB port actually is. My guess is that it is USB 3.1 compatible but not USB 3.1 compliant. by USB 3.1 compatible I am saying it will do everything that a compliant port will do except the USB-PD charging. We actually know that the port is not USB 3.1 compliant as the USB standard does not allow the method of fast charging that QC 3.0 utilizes. I hope this helps to clear some things up. Once again I am no expert, but this is the way it appears to work as far as I can tell. If there is anything that I have wrong, please let us know and I can change it. Thanks Click to expand... Click to collapse Yes it is compliant.... This is why USB 2.0 devices were able to have quick charging. The type C port is no different. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/...ard-device-class-v10-specifications-finalized Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before. The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1 http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/#unlocked Buttons Keys and Connection Ports 3.5 mm stereo audio jack, USB 3.1 Gen 1, Type-C, Capacitive keys ---------- Post added at 03:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:19 PM ---------- I wanted to add if you are part of the Elevate program you can see the white papers and it shows it is USB 3.1 Gen 1 type-c If someone wants to host the file I will gladly upload it.
Tidbits said: Yes it is compliant.... This is why USB 2.0 devices were able to have quick charging. The type C port is no different. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/...ard-device-class-v10-specifications-finalized Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before. The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1 http://www.htc.com/us/go/buy-htc-10/#unlocked Buttons Keys and Connection Ports 3.5 mm stereo audio jack, USB 3.1 Gen 1, Type-C, Capacitive keys Click to expand... Click to collapse Your kinda missing the point. The the HTC 10 is NOT compliant. It goes against the USB-C spec, "These, and any charger you see that supports QC3.0 over USB Type-C, might be QC3.0 certified but they're not following the USB-C spec." Source. If you are not following the spec, you are not compliant. You can be compatible without being compliant. Anyway, I don't care if you want to call it compliant or not. What I am getting at is that it most likely does not support the USB Power Delivery for fast charge. And if it does not support USB-PD, than it is not a USB 3.1 compliant port. USB 3.1 standard includes USB-PD Source. So the HTC whitepapers say it is a USB 3.1 port. That is great. If it does USB-PD fast charging, than that would be awesome.
jsaxon2 said: Your kinda missing the point. The the HTC 10 is NOT compliant. It goes against the USB-C spec, "These, and any charger you see that supports QC3.0 over USB Type-C, might be QC3.0 certified but they're not following the USB-C spec." Source. If you are not following the spec, you are not compliant. You can be compatible without being compliant. Anyway, I don't care if you want to call it compliant or not. What I am getting at is that it most likely does not support the USB Power Delivery for fast charge. And if it does not support USB-PD, than it is not a USB 3.1 compliant port. USB 3.1 standard includes USB-PD Source. So the HTC whitepapers say it is a USB 3.1 port. That is great. If it does USB-PD fast charging, than that would be awesome. Click to expand... Click to collapse Benson assumes it isn't compliant because 1. He doesn't have the device. 2. He can't find what USB port is being used So since he can't find this information that he can't recommend something is on the basis that he doesn't want to approve something because he doesn't know. I bet if he saw the information I just showed and he sees the white paper he'll change what he said. Why would it not be compliant when USB 2.0 devices can charge using the exact same voltage yet a 3.1 port can't? Think about it for a minute. It would be cheaper if they were not compliant to NOT use, and not give a QC 3.0 charger... Much like Google did with the 5X and 6P probably to save on costs.
Tidbits said: Benson assumes it isn't compliant because 1. He doesn't have the device. 2. He can't find what USB port is being used So since he can't find this information that he can't recommend something is on the basis that he doesn't want to approve something because he doesn't know. I bet if he saw the information I just showed and he sees the white paper he'll change what he said. Why would it not be compliant when USB 2.0 devices can charge using the exact same voltage yet a 3.1 port can't? Think about it for a minute. It would be cheaper if they were not compliant to NOT use, and not give a QC 3.0 charger... Much like Google did with the 5X and 6P probably to save on costs. Click to expand... Click to collapse Okay, I wait for him to get the device then. You still can't be compliant and break the rules though. You can be compatible though. As for the 5x and 6p, they support the USB-PD fast charging. This kept google with the USB standard. HTC chose to go with the QC 3.0 proprietary solution most likely because it works better. QC 3.0 only has to work with select QC devices and therefore can be tailored to exactly what they need. USB-PD will have to work across multiple device types from multiple manufacturers. This leaves room for inefficiencies. That would be my opinion.
jsaxon2 said: Okay, I wait for him to get the device then. You still can't be compliant and break the rules though. You can be compatible though. As for the 5x and 6p, they support the USB-PD fast charging. This kept google with the USB standard. HTC chose to go with the QC 3.0 proprietary solution most likely because it works better. QC 3.0 only has to work with select QC devices and therefore can be tailored to exactly what they need. USB-PD will have to work across multiple device types from multiple manufacturers. This leaves room for inefficiencies. That would be my opinion. Click to expand... Click to collapse That shows to me it doesn't support USB-PD 2.0 which supports up to 20V to the pins http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/u...ions-finalized When USB was first introduced, the thought was that it would be primarily a data interface, with a limited amount of power delivery which was generally used to power the electronics of certain devices. The initial specification for USB only had provisions for 0.75 watts of power – 150 mA at 5 V. USB 2.0 bumped that to 500 mA, or 2.5 watts, and USB 3.0 specified 900 mA at 5 V, or 4.5 watts. All of these specifications allow for power as well as data transmission at the same time. In addition, there was also a Battery Charging specification which allows up to 1.5 A at 5 V for a maximum of 7.5 watts of power but with no data transmission available. The jump from 7.5 watts to 100 watts of the new specification is a huge increase, and one that cannot be done with just an amperage increase on the system as was done in the previous versions of USB. Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before. That right there makes it possible for QC 3.0 to happy while staying PD 2.0 compliant.
Tidbits said: That shows to me it doesn't support USB-PD 2.0 which supports up to 20V to the pins http://www.anandtech.com/show/8539/u...ions-finalized When USB was first introduced, the thought was that it would be primarily a data interface, with a limited amount of power delivery which was generally used to power the electronics of certain devices. The initial specification for USB only had provisions for 0.75 watts of power â?? 150 mA at 5 V. USB 2.0 bumped that to 500 mA, or 2.5 watts, and USB 3.0 specified 900 mA at 5 V, or 4.5 watts. All of these specifications allow for power as well as data transmission at the same time. In addition, there was also a Battery Charging specification which allows up to 1.5 A at 5 V for a maximum of 7.5 watts of power but with no data transmission available. The jump from 7.5 watts to 100 watts of the new specification is a huge increase, and one that cannot be done with just an amperage increase on the system as was done in the previous versions of USB. Version 3.1 now supports 5 V, 12 V, and 20 V on the pins to allow the higher power output without excessive current, but even the current has been increased to a maximum of 5 A which is much higher than before. That right there makes it possible for QC 3.0 to happy while staying PD 2.0 compliant. Click to expand... Click to collapse Everything you posted is usb-pd specs. I agree. The difference is that qc 3.0 uses the data pins as well where usb-pd does not. They are two different approaches to achieving a common goal. While QC 3.0 does not apply more power than the spec allows, is does supply the power in a way that goes against the spec.
jsaxon2 said: Everything you posted is usb-pd specs. I agree. The difference is that qc 3.0 uses the data pins as well where usb-pd does not. They are two different approaches to achieving a common goal. While QC 3.0 does not apply more power than the spec allows, is does supply the power in a way that goes against the spec. Click to expand... Click to collapse Do you have the papers showing this? I haven't seen anything that says it goes through the data channels. Either way the fact that PD2.0 rates 20V debunks the cable or connector can only handle 5V arguments.
I'm not sure if it was said but USB 3.1 =/= USB 3.1 Gen 1. Especially in response to "The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1" USB 3.1 with it's 10Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.1. USB 3.0 with it's 5Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.0. USB 3.0 =/= USB 3.1 Got that? USB 3.0 > USB 3.1 Gen 1 USB 3.1 > USB 3.1 Gen 2 Why? Because retards. Also marketing wankers. "Looky looky, our product has USB 3.1 Gen 1 which means it's better than USB 3.0." Same story happened with LTE and 4G. Carriers/ISP's begged/forced the 3GPP to allow them to call LTE as 4G when LTE-Advanced is what 4G is.. LTE is more like 3.9G And if I'm not mistaken, you Americans also had 3G HSPA+ disguised as 4G when it's actually 3.75G? And when LTE rolled out they just called it LTE. tl;dr? HTC 10 has a USB 3.1 Gen 1 port or in other words USB 3.0.
lagittaja said: I'm not sure if it was said but USB 3.1 =/= USB 3.1 Gen 1. Especially in response to "The HTC 10 does support 3.1 as their tech page says it support USB 3.1 gen 1" USB 3.1 with it's 10Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.1. USB 3.0 with it's 5Gbit/s speed along other specs, features etc. was originally called USB 3.0. USB 3.0 =/= USB 3.1 Got that? USB 3.0 > USB 3.1 Gen 1 USB 3.1 > USB 3.1 Gen 2 Why? Because retards. Also marketing wankers. "Looky looky, our product has USB 3.1 Gen 1 which means it's better than USB 3.0." Same story happened with LTE and 4G. Carriers/ISP's begged/forced the 3GPP to allow them to call LTE as 4G when LTE-Advanced is what 4G is.. LTE is more like 3.9G And if I'm not mistaken, you Americans also had 3G HSPA+ disguised as 4G when it's actually 3.75G? And when LTE rolled out they just called it LTE. tl;dr? HTC 10 has a USB 3.1 Gen 1 port or in other words USB 3.0. Click to expand... Click to collapse USB 3.1 gen 1 only works with type C connectors on eqch end to get those speeds. That's why you don't see USB 3.0 type C cables or USB 3.1 A to C cables. My laptop makes that distinction as well. All my ports are 3.0, but my type C ports are USB 3.1 gen 2. Even Monoprice for example. All their C to C are 3.1, but as soon as one is a different connector they are all 3.0. http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c Of course this is my understanding and what my laptop maker explained to me. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk
Tidbits said: USB 3.1 gen 1 only works with type C connectors on eqch end to get those speeds. That's why you don't see USB 3.0 type C cables or USB 3.1 A to C cables. My laptop makes that distinction as well. All my ports are 3.0, but my type C ports are USB 3.1 gen 2. Even Monoprice for example. All their C to C are 3.1, but as soon as one is a different connector they are all 3.0. http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c Of course this is my understanding and what my laptop maker explained to me. Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk Click to expand... Click to collapse The USB spec etcetera is a deep rabbit hole and the renaming of USB 3.0 didn't help things at all. You don't need type C-C cable for USB 3.1 Gen 1. USB 3.1 Gen 1 is what we used to know as USB 3.0. You can have USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 Gen 1 with USB A-A or A-microB (the weird 3.0 micro) or A-B or A-C or C-C or whatever the variation you can think of. The reason you don't see USB 3.0 C-C cables is because chicken and the egg. The original USB 3.0 spec was released before the type C.. Type C was developed at the same time as the now finalized USB 3.1 spec, which absorbed the original USB 3.0 spec as USB 3.1 Gen 1 and the USB 3.1 we knew before is now known as USB 3.1 Gen 2, and was (C spec) released alongside the USB 3.1 spec which it supplements. No USB 3.1 A-C cables? Ahem. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F2CU029/ Also, just please try and forget the USB x.x with the type C. Type C is type C. It is a physical connector, it's a cable/connector standard. Just like mini B or micro B or B or A for that matter.. USB x.x is a technology standard. USB-PD is a technology standard. They are not the same thing. They are not dependent on each other. In other words, you can have type C with USB 2.0 if you so wish, look at the Nexus 5X and 6P.. http://www.usb.org/developers/usbty...ge_Product_and_Packaging_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf Please note the following: USB Type-C™ is not USB 3.1 The USB Type-C™ cable and connector specification is a supplement to the USB 3.1 specification, however USB Type-C™ is not USB 3.1. These terms are not interchangeable. USB Type-C™ is not USB Power Delivery USB Power Delivery is a protocol/hardware solution that increases USB power capabilities up to 100W. These terms are not interchangeable. If a product features USB Type-C™ it does not necessarily support USB Power Delivery and/or USB 3.1 Device manufacturers can choose to support USB Power Delivery and/or USB 3.1 performance but it is not required for USB Type-C™ products Click to expand... Click to collapse
Fast File Transfers
I have a usb c to usb c i-orange cable plugged into my computer and when I try to enable Fast File Transfers I get "USB 3.1 Unavailable. Make sure you're using a USB 3.1 cable. The other connected device needs device also needs to support USB 3.1" My ASUS Maximus VIII Hero motherboard supports USB 3.1 and I have the right cable. Has anyone actually gotten this working? Running Windows 10 64 bit and have the latest drivers/firmware for my system. Thanks EDIT ****Nevermind**** BE VERY CAREFUL ORDERING i-Orange CABLES on AMAZON.******* When you select the USB 3.1 i-orange cable there is a list of color and size options below. All of them but 2 cables are USB 2.0 Type C connectors and not USB 3.1 The usb 3.1 type C cables are only 3.3ft, the longer cable I chose is actually a USB 2.0 Type C cable. The industry is making type C a nightmare to deal with, there should only be 1 type C to type C cable.
ihavoc said: I have a usb c to usb c i-orange cable plugged into my computer and when I try to enable Fast File Transfers I get "USB 3.1 Unavailable. Make sure you're using a USB 3.1 cable. The other connected device needs device also needs to support USB 3.1" My ASUS Maximus VIII Hero motherboard supports USB 3.1 and I have the right cable. Has anyone actually gotten this working? Running Windows 10 64 bit and have the latest drivers/firmware for my system. Thanks EDIT ****Nevermind**** BE VERY CAREFUL ORDERING i-Orange CABLES on AMAZON.******* When you select the USB 3.1 i-orange cable there is a list of color and size options below. All of them but 2 cables are USB 2.0 Type C connectors and not USB 3.1 The usb 3.1 type C cables are only 3.3ft, the longer cable I chose is actually a USB 2.0 Type C cable. The industry is making type C a nightmare to deal with, there should only be 1 type C to type C cable. Click to expand... Click to collapse I didn't know about this but today was the first time trying to transfer files from my HTC 10 to my pc through the usb 2.0 port using the official htc cable that came with the phone and it was painfully slow. I have 3.0 ports on the back of my pc but I know it shouldn't be this slow. I'm transfering files to a Samsung 850 EVO SSD. Stuff that should only take 5-10 seconds to transfer takes like 3-5 minutes.
I have fast file transfer working on an A-C USB 3.0 cable (not USB 2.0) You have to enable "charge mode" then the option is available. Fast file transfer doesn't work in normal MTP mode. BTW Monoprice has high quality cables for very inexpensive. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk
I bought a USB3.1 gen 2 cable from Amazon (support for 5Gbps transfers for the HTC 10, but can also do 10Gbps for future-proofing), and connected it to the USB3.1 port on my motherboard (ASUS x99-m WS), but speeds are still definitely not USB3.1 gen-1 5Gps. Transfers may be working at USB3.0 speeds (which does ~1-1.25Gbps IIRC?), but transfers are definitely not working at USB3.1 gen-1 5Gbps speeds. I tested this by transferring a 700MB file from PC to phone internal storage (not SD card), then the same file back to PC, and it transferred slowly. Transfers were slow even though "Fast file transfer" selected by going to USB charge mode and enabling Fast file transfer. Does anyone have USB3.1 5Gbps transfers confirmed working? What cable/mobo are you using?
[UPDATED] Moved my comment to a separate thread here.
My computer won't even recognize when I have the phone connected via a usb-c to usb-c cable. Works fine usb-a to usb-c, but not when I go to either of the 2 usb-c ports. Is there a different driver i need for my computer to recognize the phone on usb-c? (it's a usb-c to c cable provided with a pixel phone, so should be decent quality)
[Review/Comparison] Choetech USB Car chargers QC3 USB (T002) & USB C (c0051)
Review/Comparison between Choetech USB Car chargers QC3 USB (Tc002) & USB C (c0051) (Note this is tested on HTC 10 with a choetech USB C cable) USB QC 3 charger (Model tc002) This is a nice little charger, small form and built well. It has a little led in the middle to let you know it has power/is charging. It also comes with usb c cable which is a nice addition. It has 2 ports, one with a blue strip around it to let you know it’s the “main” QC 3 port. This port gives off 9.1v with 0.83a. The phone recognised this as QC3 and displayed the “charging rapidly” sign. The 2nd port has no strip around it. It gives off 5v and 1.9a, so will charge slightly slower but still for an in charge charger will charge most phones well. USB C QC 3 charger (Model c0051) This is a nice little charger like the above, very similar build wise the only difference being the ports themselves. Please note no cable was provided with this charger. The led also changes from blue to green when charging. It has 2 ports, 1 usb c and 1 normal USB (USB A). The normal usb port also looks reversible which is a nice added feature. The usb C port requires a USB C to USB C cable. The normal USB port gives off 8.8v and 1.5a. The phone did recognize this as QC3 and displayed the “charging rapidly” sign. The usb c port I was unable to read due to not having the right connector to read volts and amps, so I used an inbuilt amp to read the charging speed (Ampere). This read as 1800mA which as comparison is around the same as the official HTC charger that came with my HTC 10. The phone however did not display the “charging rapidly” sign Conclusions Both are very good chargers and both available at a reasonable price. If I were to pick one I would pick the 1st USB QC 3 charger (tc002) simply because I feel the double usb a ports give you more options when charging
Will using a USB-C to USB-A cable remove the quick charging?
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You need to use quality charger with 3.0A for that
a good/proper usb-c to usb-a cable is supposed to have a built in resistor to keep the device from pulling too much current through the older usb-a plug, which ofc wasn't designed with the capabilities of usb-c in mind. therefore you should not be able to charge as fast with said cables, otherwise it wouldn't be too unlikely for your device or charger to get seriously damaged.
Broken303 said: a good/proper usb-c to usb-a cable is supposed to have a built in resistor to keep the device from pulling too much current Click to expand... Click to collapse To be more precise, the resistor doesn't keep the device from pulling too much current, it tells the device it is connected to a legacy cable and it should limit to .5, .9, or 1.5A. The device can still choose to pull more current if it has alternate means of figuring out the capabilities of the power source. It won't be using facilities within the USB C spec, but it will still work fine.
My bedside combo of a 2.4amp charging brick, anker powerline 10ft micro usb cable, and anker micro usb to usb c adapter gives me quick charging. The cable and adapter also allow data transfer and adb from my macbook pro.
sedracer said: My bedside combo of a 2.4amp charging brick, anker powerline 10ft micro usb cable, and anker micro usb to usb c adapter gives me quick charging. The cable and adapter also allow data transfer and adb from my macbook pro. Click to expand... Click to collapse In my experience 5x says "Charging rapidly" around 1.6A. Some of the legacy USB A -> USB C cables (either direct or through micro-usb adapter) can get around 1.6A and 5x will display "Charging rapidly" but this might not be the same rate as the stock USB C native charger with which the device can pull 2.6A for the lower battery ranges like 0-40% before the phone slows down to around 1.8A (and even slower later on in the cycle)
sfhub said: In my experience 5x says "Charging rapidly" around 1.6A. Some of the legacy USB A -> USB C cables (either direct or through micro-usb adapter) can get around 1.6A and 5x will display "Charging rapidly" but this might not be the same rate as the stock USB C native charger with which the device can pull 2.6A for the lower battery ranges like 0-40% before the phone slows down to around 1.8A (and even slower later on in the cycle) Click to expand... Click to collapse Discovered this after returning my 5x, picking up a 6p, and installing ampere. Still functional as a bedside charger but thanks for the help tho.
USB C Wall Charger, multiple USB C Ports
I have two Xps laptops, and we have now two pixel 2's at the house all USB C. Most chargers are 1 USB c port with multiple regular USB ports, and the Aukey that has two USB c ports failed spec. Anyone know of any wall charger with multiple USB C ports?
This one has 2 C and 4 A ports. It gets good reviews. Didn't see any others with more than the 2. https://www.amazon.com/60W-Port-USB...1510687883&sr=8-308&keywords=usb+c+headphones
Ohgami_Ichiro said: This one has 2 C and 4 A ports. It gets good reviews. Didn't see any others with more than the 2. https://www.amazon.com/60W-Port-USB...1510687883&sr=8-308&keywords=usb+c+headphones Click to expand... Click to collapse So that link is for an item with two different skus, which are actually 2 different charges with most of the reviews for the OG fast charge w/o the USB C. Here is a youtube review of the one with USB C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_K2kc5fHTk It basically fails to fast charge the phone in the regular usb port. That being said what i am most afraid of is the USB C port always being on. Which is a problem, because with phones such as the pixel that now use the USB C port as a headphone jack, if the USB C port is always on, on the charger, and the pixel thinks it's a headphone connection port it can cause the phone to get damaged. Being that the charger failed basic charging specs it claims, i doubt the charger is USB c spec. Thank you for the suggestion doh I suggest avoiding this product doh
Drops77 said: So that link is for an item with two different skus, which are actually 2 different charges with most of the reviews for the OG fast charge w/o the USB C. Here is a youtube review of the one with USB C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_K2kc5fHTk It basically fails to fast charge the phone in the regular usb port. That being said what i am most afraid of is the USB C port always being on. Which is a problem, because with phones such as the pixel that now use the USB C port as a headphone jack, if the USB C port is always on, on the charger, and the pixel thinks it's a headphone connection port it can cause the phone to get damaged. Being that the charger failed basic charging specs it claims, i doubt the charger is USB c spec. Thank you for the suggestion doh I suggest avoiding this product doh Click to expand... Click to collapse That's unfortunate. Ah the growing pains of being early adopters of USB-C. Still reminds me of the early days of HDMI. Lot of misinformation and improperly speced items. eventually it all smooths out.