I'm interested in the Motorola bluetooth keyboard, but I've yet to see it in person. I'm curious if some kind soul could photograph theirs in relation to their Xoom... maybe side-by-side so that I can get a sense of how wide and long it comparison, or at least describe how the two compare in size.
I thank ye.
Here ya go! I can snap some more pics if you have any other questions.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5j0Wu5aWgVuowV0uRtmJj_33b9kyUtk9JEAEd10goeA?feat=directlink
How do you turn the keyboard on/off? Want to make sure it's safe to throw in a messenger bag without accidentally turning it on.
There is a power button on the keyboard. Just hold it down a few seconds.
Is recessed a bit just below the top of the keyboard. I think it would be pretty tough to turn it on in a bag. Also the manual claims 6 months of active use and one year standby on just 2 AA batteries.
I created this post using the keyboard BTW
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I initially purchased this keyboard but was unimpressed by build quality and typing feel, i decided to return it and use my amazingly good Microsoft BT keyboard that i got for around 30 dollars. In my opinion it is smaller, more responsive, better built and definitely better for straight typing on.
Only huge downside is the lack of android dedicated keys as on the moto kb, but even a lot of those didn't work.
I'm hoping that android's interaction with human interface devices (mice even!?) improves over time, because I am super close to being able to just use my Xoom when I am out in the field and leave my laptop behind.
I'm looking to get a tablet, and so far the Pixel C is definitely at the top of my list. As eager as I am to order one, I think I'm going to hold off since Google I/O is just around the corner. The rumors I've seen regarding tablets at I/O have all been centered around a new Nexus 7, but I'm waiting to see if there is an update to the Pixel C, or introduction of a new larger Nexus tablet. Along those lines, what hardware updates or changes would people like to see in a Pixel C 2? Personally, I'd like to see an active stylus, and the addition of an SD card slot.
I'd rather they just fix the build/quality control issues with current the Pixel C so it's worth the high price tag. That combined with Android N and I'd be happy. Maybe a folio without a keyboard? Not much really.
1 - Front facing speakers. The speaker placement on the Pixel C sucks and it is hard for me to not cover the speakers with my hands when watching content in landscape orientation.
2 - Fingerprint reader. I don't use encryption or a pattern lock on my tablet because I find anything more than a fingerprint reader to be an annoyance.
3 - No magnets. The keyboard is cool, but I would rather have had a Pixel C without the heavy magnets inside. I understand that it would not be economical to offer it both ways, but I have no interest at all in a keyboard, so it's just an annoyance for me.
4 - OLED display. The display on the Pixel C is pretty much flawless and among the best IPS displays I have ever seen. It is definitely on par with the QHD+ Sharp IGZO display on my XPS 13 9350 and the LG panel in my Dell Ultrasharp U3014 monitor. That being said, I still think OLED looks better. The way vibrant colors pop and the contrast ratio makes me not want anything else, save for something like a quantum dot display.
5 - Anti Reflective Coating. This one is a no brainer and there is no excuse for not having one at this point. Apple does it and it makes a significant difference when using a tablet in a bright environment.
6 - 4:3 Aspect Ratio. Using 1:√1 for the display was innovative and it makes sense in some scenarios, but nobody else is using it and it's just going to be something that people are not going to design apps for. I would much prefer a 4:3 aspect ratio display, which I personally think is perfect for tablets.
7 - Android Bootloader. If they are going to continue to use Android in the Pixel line, rather than ChromeOS, use an Android bootloader. Also, quit punishing me with a 30 second wait every time I boot up with an unlocked bootloader. I feel like the lack of ROMs for the Pixel C is mostly due to this ridiculous ChromeOS bootloader making everything exceptionally difficult.
8 - Faster Storage. Google has historically had abysmally slow storage on Nexus devices and the Pixel C is no exception. Utilizing a faster interface like UFS 2.0, or better yet, PCIe NVME like Apple would make the device feel a lot quicker. It has been shown on devices like the Galaxy S7 and any recent Apple tablet/phone that having fast storage makes programs load faster, install faster, and boot faster. There's no excuse for Google using EMMC 5.0 in a flagship, top shelf product like the Pixel C.
9 - OpenGL 4.5 Support. I have no idea why Google does not enable support for OpenGL 4.5, seeing as how the Tegra X1 and even the Tegra K1 support it. Unless they have a damn good reason not to, they need to turn this on.
Couldn't agree more, but just want to add a number 10. A USB-C CABLE !!! One not connected to a charger please...
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1 - Front facing speakers. The speaker placement on the Pixel C sucks and it is hard for me to not cover the speakers with my hands when watching content in landscape orientation.
2 - Fingerprint reader. I don't use encryption or a pattern lock on my tablet because I find anything more than a fingerprint reader to be an annoyance.
3 - No magnets. The keyboard is cool, but I would rather have had a Pixel C without the heavy magnets inside. I understand that it would not be economical to offer it both ways, but I have no interest at all in a keyboard, so it's just an annoyance for me.
4 - OLED display. The display on the Pixel C is pretty much flawless and among the best IPS displays I have ever seen. It is definitely on par with the QHD+ Sharp IGZO display on my XPS 13 9350 and the LG panel in my Dell Ultrasharp U3014 monitor. That being said, I still think OLED looks better. The way vibrant colors pop and the contrast ratio makes me not want anything else, save for something like a quantum dot display.
5 - Anti Reflective Coating. This one is a no brainer and there is no excuse for not having one at this point. Apple does it and it makes a significant difference when using a tablet in a bright environment.
6 - 4:3 Aspect Ratio. Using 1:√1 for the display was innovative and it makes sense in some scenarios, but nobody else is using it and it's just going to be something that people are not going to design apps for. I would much prefer a 4:3 aspect ratio display, which I personally think is perfect for tablets.
7 - Android Bootloader. If they are going to continue to use Android in the Pixel line, rather than ChromeOS, use an Android bootloader. Also, quit punishing me with a 30 second wait every time I boot up with an unlocked bootloader. I feel like the lack of ROMs for the Pixel C is mostly due to this ridiculous ChromeOS bootloader making everything exceptionally difficult.
8 - Faster Storage. Google has historically had abysmally slow storage on Nexus devices and the Pixel C is no exception. Utilizing a faster interface like UFS 2.0, or better yet, PCIe NVME like Apple would make the device feel a lot quicker. It has been shown on devices like the Galaxy S7 and any recent Apple tablet/phone that having fast storage makes programs load faster, install faster, and boot faster. There's no excuse for Google using EMMC 5.0 in a flagship, top shelf product like the Pixel C.
9 - OpenGL 4.5 Support. I have no idea why Google does not enable support for OpenGL 4.5, seeing as how the Tegra X1 and even the Tegra K1 support it. Unless they have a damn good reason not to, they need to turn this on.
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Front facing speakers would be nice. ABSOLUTELY agree on the android bootloader, but with this being a "Pixel" device, I don't know that it'll happen. Is there a reason for the 30 second delay with the unlocked bootloader, or is it really just to deter people from doing it? As far as the screen goes, I though IPS generally had better color reproduction than oled, with the advantage to oled being power consumption. I'm with you on faster storage too. I've never understood why a manufacturer would cut corners like this on such a premium device.
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Front facing speakers would be nice. ABSOLUTELY agree on the android bootloader, but with this being a "Pixel" device, I don't know that it'll happen. Is there a reason for the 30 second delay with the unlocked bootloader, or is it really just to deter people from doing it? As far as the screen goes, I though IPS generally had better color reproduction than oled, with the advantage to oled being power consumption. I'm with you on faster storage too. I've never understood why a manufacturer would cut corners like this on such a premium device.
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According to Anandtech (who actually use display testing equipment to measure contrast, grayscale accuracy, color accuracy, etc,), AMOLED's are as good as IPS at this point. Here is a quote from their Galaxy Note 5 / Galaxy S6 Edge+ review:
With this generation of AMOLED, Samsung has definitely equaled the best LCDs on the market. I suspect within the next year or two it will be inevitable that Samsung AMOLED will be clearly superior to even the best LCDs.
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And from the Galaxy S6 / S6 Edge review:
With this generation I suspect Samsung is either meeting or exceeding the best LCDs in quality, and with the next generation of AMOLED it’s likely that high end smartphones will have to migrate to AMOLED to remain competitive.
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1 - Front facing speakers. The speaker placement on the Pixel C sucks and it is hard for me to not cover the speakers with my hands when watching content in landscape orientation.
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Agreed.
2 - Fingerprint reader. I don't use encryption or a pattern lock on my tablet because I find anything more than a fingerprint reader to be an annoyance.
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Gimmick
3 - No magnets. The keyboard is cool, but I would rather have had a Pixel C without the heavy magnets inside. I understand that it would not be economical to offer it both ways, but I have no interest at all in a keyboard, so it's just an annoyance for me.
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Dont agree, its useful to have keyboard, it is one of thr reasons I bought the Pixel C. Makes a smaller laptop, complentary smaller than a Chromebook.
4 - OLED display. The display on the Pixel C is pretty much flawless and among the best IPS displays I have ever seen. It is definitely on par with the QHD+ Sharp IGZO display on my XPS 13 9350 and the LG panel in my Dell Ultrasharp U3014 monitor. That being said, I still think OLED looks better. The way vibrant colors pop and the contrast ratio makes me not want anything else, save for something like a quantum dot display.
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Neutral, screen looks fine to me.
5 - Anti Reflective Coating. This one is a no brainer and there is no excuse for not having one at this point. Apple does it and it makes a significant difference when using a tablet in a bright environment.
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Agreed.
6 - 4:3 Aspect Ratio. Using 1:√1 for the display was innovative and it makes sense in some scenarios, but nobody else is using it and it's just going to be something that people are not going to design apps for. I would much prefer a 4:3 aspect ratio display, which I personally think is perfect for tablets.
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Dont agree, the nearer to 16:9 the better. 4:3 just wastes more screen.
7 - Android Bootloader. If they are going to continue to use Android in the Pixel line, rather than ChromeOS, use an Android bootloader. Also, quit punishing me with a 30 second wait every time I boot up with an unlocked bootloader. I feel like the lack of ROMs for the Pixel C is mostly due to this ridiculous ChromeOS bootloader making everything exceptionally difficult.
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Strongly agree. It is a frankenstein creation as is, halfway between Chromebook and Nexus.
8 - Faster Storage. Google has historically had abysmally slow storage on Nexus devices and the Pixel C is no exception. Utilizing a faster interface like UFS 2.0, or better yet, PCIe NVME like Apple would make the device feel a lot quicker. It has been shown on devices like the Galaxy S7 and any recent Apple tablet/phone that having fast storage makes programs load faster, install faster, and boot faster. There's no excuse for Google using EMMC 5.0 in a flagship, top shelf product like the Pixel C.
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I find it fast enough?
9 - OpenGL 4.5 Support. I have no idea why Google does not enable support for OpenGL 4.5, seeing as how the Tegra X1 and even the Tegra K1 support it. Unless they have a damn good reason not to, they need to turn this on.
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I dont know what that is, but all my apps work and perform well.
oRAirwolf said:
1 - Front facing speakers. The speaker placement on the Pixel C sucks and it is hard for me to not cover the speakers with my hands when watching content in landscape orientation.
2 - Fingerprint reader. I don't use encryption or a pattern lock on my tablet because I find anything more than a fingerprint reader to be an annoyance.
3 - No magnets. The keyboard is cool, but I would rather have had a Pixel C without the heavy magnets inside. I understand that it would not be economical to offer it both ways, but I have no interest at all in a keyboard, so it's just an annoyance for me.
4 - OLED display. The display on the Pixel C is pretty much flawless and among the best IPS displays I have ever seen. It is definitely on par with the QHD+ Sharp IGZO display on my XPS 13 9350 and the LG panel in my Dell Ultrasharp U3014 monitor. That being said, I still think OLED looks better. The way vibrant colors pop and the contrast ratio makes me not want anything else, save for something like a quantum dot display.
5 - Anti Reflective Coating. This one is a no brainer and there is no excuse for not having one at this point. Apple does it and it makes a significant difference when using a tablet in a bright environment.
6 - 4:3 Aspect Ratio. Using 1:√1 for the display was innovative and it makes sense in some scenarios, but nobody else is using it and it's just going to be something that people are not going to design apps for. I would much prefer a 4:3 aspect ratio display, which I personally think is perfect for tablets.
7 - Android Bootloader. If they are going to continue to use Android in the Pixel line, rather than ChromeOS, use an Android bootloader. Also, quit punishing me with a 30 second wait every time I boot up with an unlocked bootloader. I feel like the lack of ROMs for the Pixel C is mostly due to this ridiculous ChromeOS bootloader making everything exceptionally difficult.
8 - Faster Storage. Google has historically had abysmally slow storage on Nexus devices and the Pixel C is no exception. Utilizing a faster interface like UFS 2.0, or better yet, PCIe NVME like Apple would make the device feel a lot quicker. It has been shown on devices like the Galaxy S7 and any recent Apple tablet/phone that having fast storage makes programs load faster, install faster, and boot faster. There's no excuse for Google using EMMC 5.0 in a flagship, top shelf product like the Pixel C.
9 - OpenGL 4.5 Support. I have no idea why Google does not enable support for OpenGL 4.5, seeing as how the Tegra X1 and even the Tegra K1 support it. Unless they have a damn good reason not to, they need to turn this on.
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1. Neutral, I don't really use speakers at all on my pixel
2. Neutral, on phone, yes it is important on tablets? In just matter of convenience.
3. No magnets are good, keyboard are nice, I don't have to Coupe with shifty 3.rd party keyboards
4. No OLED are really shifty with burn ins. I'm happy with the screen.
5 agreed
6. Absolutely not, just buy ipad if you want 4:3 or nexus 9. The ratio is really good less water space while watching films but nice to use in portrait orientation. The screen ratio is the reason I bought the damn thing. As for 16:9,it is the reason im not buying Z4 tablet being the Sony fan I am.
7.agreed
8.would be nice, but the one we are having is fine really.
9. Waiting for vulkan
My only desire is for Google to make up their mind about the kind of device they want to release. Make a decision and stick to it. This hybrid nonsense is going to be the death of this device due to the ChromeOS bootloader.
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My only desire is for Google to make up their mind about the kind of device they want to release. Make a decision and stick to it. This hybrid nonsense is going to be the death of this device due to the ChromeOS bootloader.
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So then you'd have preferred the Pixel C delayed? You can always not buy it and wait for what meets your goal?
I agree, its not one thing or another, and is basically a well spec'd high cost Android tablet neither Chromebook or Nexus.
nigelhealy said:
So then you'd have preferred the Pixel C delayed? You can always not buy it and wait for what meets your goal?
I agree, its not one thing or another, and is basically a well spec'd high cost Android tablet neither Chromebook or Nexus.
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I already own one. I love the design and the hardware. What I'm not fond of is the ridiculous ChromeOS bootloader and kernel requiring a signed boot.img via verity and vboot in order to post boot into system.
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I already own one. I love the design and the hardware. What I'm not fond of is the ridiculous ChromeOS bootloader and kernel requiring a signed boot.img via verity and vboot in order to post boot into system.
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I feel exactly the same. At least you have the experience and knowledge to be able to repack the modified boot.img properly. I've been modding kernels using Android Kitchen on my Nexus 6 & 6P for two years now to remove forced encryption. It's ridiculously simple. But for this device, I definitely do not possess the knowledge to repack an image with vboot (although I have been successful in unpacking it thanks to @cheep5k8). I just wish somebody could write up a tutorial or something in order to modify the stock boot image on this device to make it rootable. That way, I wouldn't have to wait or bug any devs when a new factory image comes out, as I'd be able to do it myself.
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I feel exactly the same. At least you have the experience and knowledge to be able to repack the modified boot.img properly. I've been modding kernels using Android Kitchen on my Nexus 6 & 6P for two years now to remove forced encryption. It's ridiculously simple. But for this device, I definitely do not possess the knowledge to repack an image with vboot (although I have been successful in unpacking it thanks to @cheep5k8). I just wish somebody could write up a tutorial or something in order to modify the stock boot image on this device to make it rootable. That way, I wouldn't have to wait or bug any devs when a new factory image comes out, as I'd be able to do it myself.
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Yeah, unpacking is an option, but it isn't ideal. Especially when I have to consider the fact that our Jenkins server isn't going to do any of this. Our official builds all get pumped out via this server together. Plus, we flash SU inline in our script. It's just incredibly inconvenient.
1. AMOLED display, because of the contrast, black level and angles of view,
2. Much better keyboard (something like LG K380 would be perfect, it's the only mobile keyboard that I can write as fast as on normal keyboard - I currently use it with Pixel C because I could really write fast on the dock keyboard),
3. Ability to dock in portrait (important for writing).
I actually quite like the aspect ratio. I would buy it if it was 4:3.
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My only desire is for Google to make up their mind about the kind of device they want to release. Make a decision and stick to it. This hybrid nonsense is going to be the death of this device due to the ChromeOS bootloader.
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I kinda agree. I am not sure that the confusion is helpful for anyone.
However, I'd rather this was dual boot from the start instead of a one/other binary. I accept that ChromeOS isn't exactly suited to touch input (although the Chromebook Pixel(s) made a more convincing case than one would expect, as has the well regarded and remarkably long lasting C720P), and I get that Android isn't overly comfortable with mouse/trackpad/physical keyboard interventions (although, the Pixel C is making that case). What I find interesting is that the Pixel C kb that this is typed on is remarkably close to the Chromebook/box kb (I have both/all three).
Out of all this, I want a properly dual boot device. One that has the option without any dismantling. ChromeOS devices have the ability to dual boot, as do Nexus and/or any Android device that's bootloader unlocked. There's no reason that the 'Frankenboard' Pixel C should be different, particularly as it is a reference/developer/niche device (in the sense that it's not promoted beyond the very interested--ie like most Nexus devices before, say, the N7 or N5).
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hello,
I'm interested in the Pixel C as a general purpose tab and mainly for doodling using apps such as sketchbook, zen brush, etc, just for fun, nothing serious or professional.
how does the pixel C compare to other top of the line models, like the surface pro, galaxy tab s2 and ipad pro?
is the display responsive and smooth?
there are no stores with demo units to try out, that's a pity...
thanks.
diehard2013 said:
hello,
I'm interested in the Pixel C as a general purpose tab and mainly for doodling using apps such as sketchbook, zen brush, etc, just for fun, nothing serious or professional.
how does the pixel C compare to other top of the line models, like the surface pro, galaxy tab s2 and ipad pro?
is the display responsive and smooth?
there are no stores with demo units to try out, that's a pity...
thanks.
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the screen is really responsive and crisp. Though lack of an active stylus means it's a bit clunky for sketching or accurate drawing.
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Is the pixel C sold only through the Google store?
Amazon has it
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I am going to change my Nexus 5X this month and I was wondering what it the best option for me; my main interest is the camera; Pixel 2 shows an amazing camera, S8 too, and it include manual controls from scratch (thats a plus).
By the other hand the S8 has more Ram, SD slot and a very interesting display, plus, in my country the S8 is cheaper than the Pixel 2 (5" 64gb)
The Pixel 2 has a classic 16:9 display, more bezel, that is not a problem for me, but Im not fan of the black navbar in amoled (oled in this case) displays, the S8 has a white navbar and I guess that it helps to avoid burn in; Im sure that the Pixel 2 will be super fast and I love the stock android experience (I have been using Nexus since Galaxy Nexus, so, stock Android is basically the UI that I love haha))
This is a hard choise for me, I could go for more "flexible" and maybe interesting technology (S8) or I could go for an amazing user experience in a really nice design with and amazing camera and more simple options.
Whats your opinion? Pixel 2 XL should be perfect but it is way more expensive here and for that money I could just go for the S8 plus.
For me:
S8: *more atractive display design
*white navbar that helps prevent burn in
*more ram
*Sd slot
*really nice design, compact and accessories easy to find everywhere
*manual camera built in
Pixel 2: *amazing camera
*stock UI
*(maybe) faster in terms of usage
cons: - less screen-to-body ratio than my actual 5X
- no SD
- no manual controls
- black navbar
- no wider display
- less ram (and more expensive device)
Get S8! Vendors will give you almost all the features of stock android plus additional features that only they can provide. Pixel2 camera must be good, but S8 camera is not less than any other smartphone camera. Water resistance, infinity display, iris scanner, headphone jack and wireless charging are some of the features that you won't get in pixel2.
RAM is 4GB for both
iris scanner, and all that stuff it is cool to show off but after a week all go back to finger print
manual controls only drain battery
SD card is cool, can't argue with it
UPDATES - pixel will get updates for a couple of years, s8 will get updates until s9 is released
pixel is not that good looking but if you are happy with a nexus 5x I don't see a reason why you can't get used to pixel 2
Thank you guys and thanks for clarify the ram info.
Yes, both phones are amazing, Pixel 2 doesnt have a really long life (I know it cuz Im a Nexus user since 2013); a plus for the S8 is that in my country it costs 100 less than the Pixel 2 (5")
Manual camera is a feature that I really like (I have the upside down problem with the N5X with third party camera apps haha, kinda annoying and long exposure almost always fails and force close the app)
I love my Nexus 5X but I had a problem with it and the guarranty gave me back a 16Gb version WHEN I bought the 32gb version, and well, sometimes when I take pictures in HDR the camera doesnt respond that fast and sometimes HDR pictures doesnt save (Im sure that is due to ram memory) Im absolutly sure that with S8 or Pixel 2 the camera will always works like a charm; but anyways is a hard decition, I have a few day to decide, maybe i could check some reviews of the Pixel 2 first before decide, I tried the S8 and I had a really nice experience, but I want to know how it will works with a lot of apps, my N5X work flawless all time, the little problem with the camera is not always, just sometimes when I use ZSL HDR.
I'm all for a vanilla experience. When I used HTC and Samsung's phones before I would install close to stock ROMs all the time. However, if you can get the S8 for same or less than the Pixel 2 then yeah it's a better deal. Personally, I went with the Pixel 2 XL.
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for the beginning you will love the s8 and the Samsung features but it does not take long time and you will miss the pure Android and the possibilities of developers. after a few months, you do not feel like the hundreds of Samsung apps that monitor everything and run in the background.
you can install pure Android on the s8 too
but for that you do not need the s8.
for me would be the pixel 2 the favorite phone [emoji6]
In my book, the S8 beats Pixel 2 because for one, the S8 proves that you can have have an incredibly thin, light, bezel-free, waterproof phone with a headphone jack. S8 proves that the arguments presented by Apple and Pixel apologists are false. You can have it all, and a headphone jack. On the other hand, I am not a fan of S8's screen because its curves on the edges. So we have a phone that has a high native resolution resulting in such dpi that the human eye won't discern against either QHD or FHD, and yet we have to put up with the incredibly bad and clearly visible distortion at the edges of the screen? Where is the logic?
So I'd personally get myself a Oneplus 5 or the original Pixel, specially if Google offers good deals on it, now that they need to clear the space for Pixel 2.
Im still waiting for a full review of the Pixel 2 / Pixel 2 XL and a real usage camera review.
Right now I would like to buy the Pixel 2, but seems that the S8 is a better option and at least in my country, way cheaper
I would definitely choose pixel 2. I love the google experience!