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Hey..I'm new to the forum and the Evo. I've seen a few posts about this, but haven't really been able to find an answer.
As with the other people that typically notice this, I'm an iPhone 3GS user...I bought the Evo a few days ago and love it, for the most part. I'm used to extremely smooth performance with very little lag. I noticed that scrolling through the application drawer, or the built in messages application causes huge lag, along with other menus. It seems like the most choppy performance is as the scroll is slowing down (like, if you "flick" it). So, naturally, I rooted my phone. Oh and to be clear, I'm not talking about the touch-sensor lag.
Here is what I have done so far hoping that it would eliminate the lag:
- Obviously, I've used Advanced Task Killer and removed the Live Wallpaper. Didn't really do anything. I have about 160 MB of available memory.
- Using the stock OTA rom (rooted), I installed the netarchy-toastmod-3.7.3c kernel to remove the FPS cap on my screen. It worked. Now, my scrolling is more responsive, but still choppy.
- Froyo. I've tried a few different Froyo ROMs hoping that the claimed 250-300% speed increase would eliminate scroll glitches. It did not. I tried Ava and Cyanogen ROMs.
- I tried the netarchy-toastmod-3.7.3c Froyo kernel for the Froyo ROMs. Still...choppy...possibly a little better though. It's hard to tell without seeing it side by side.
My brother has a different Droid phone (I forget which), but it didn't have a noticeable lag like the Evo does, and I know it's specs aren't as good. Is this phone doomed to low-quality scrolling? Any other suggestions?
What you're probably noticing is a lack of refinement in the easing of the animation. The only "fix" will be to view it as more responsive.
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You may want to try a different launcher. For super snappy response I have heard good things about Launcher Pro. Personally I am using CM6 RC1 with some ADW tweaks and I feel like its fluid enough for me with no choppiness.
Thanks! The ADW tweak posted made the application drawer seem a LOT better (mainly because of the horizontal scrolling). I suppose I'll either just deal with the other choppiness or take it back and wait for a different phone, like the Epic. Maybe I'm just being too picky >.<
I've had great success with CM6 nightly and LauncherPro. As smooth as you can get. I had a news widget that caused some slow downs as well so make sure a widget is not causing it.
I noticed this too.
Its almost like comparable to a computer game performance on a pc
when it goes from 60 frames per second to 20 frames per second you notice it more.
if they just made it stay at say 20fps speed then it would at least keep a reasonably smooth experience
I will try the CM nightly build see if I have any luck.
I love the evo too but man the iphone 4 seems so much smoother when in reality its probably not.
its all about the way its presented
i am currently using baked snack 1.1 with netarchy kernel
if i install cm do i have to flash a different kernel or will it automatically do it?
Has anyone noticed the UI slows down after a while? Kind of like when a notification toast pops up try scrolling around, the framerate drops a lot until the toast vanished. This happens on all ROMs I've tried and several kernels, I've noticed restarting the ui (by changing options or killing the process) speeds everything up again. Anyone else noticed this?
Yeah I think I do see that now that you mention it.
Also happens on Apex Launcher, NOVA standard and prime, and also on the stock ICS launcher. I'm running Franco's 135 w/ 512MHz GPU and tried with slower GPU speeds and same result (I've been luckily able to run 512MHz with no problems, even with the undervolted nightly 133?). If you enable "horizontal recents" (in most custom ROMs, which basically restarts the SystemUI without losing the wallpaper along the way) everything smooths back out. Hate having to do that twice a day or more and can't seem to pinpoint why this happens... Memory leak??
I've never seen that. It would drive me nuts if I had.
adrynalyne said:
I've never seen that. It would drive me nuts if I had.
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What do you run? [ROM,Kernel, Settings?] Maybe I can try your setup and see if I get it there too...
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What do you run? [ROM,Kernel, Settings?] Maybe I can try your setup and see if I get it there too...
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BAMF Paradigm 1.2.
With various toolkit settings, key reflections, dimmed soft keys, battery pack, blocking ads. Thats about it off the top of my head.
Still running 10a rooted and heavily debloated including everything Google. Is there any significant improvement from any updates. Regularly see 5 hrs sot as long as I don't play games, phone is quick and to my mind no lag. Would hate to return to stock to update only to find no significant improvement and have to reset my phone. Looking for definitive results as opposed to placebo effect etc.
I'm running 10i on D855
I haven't seen THAT much difference but I must say it performers better.. less lags
Battery seems the use maybe a tiny bit better..
That's just my experience
In running v10j currently. The only differences that I've noticed are some bug fixes and performance improvements.
It's the performance improvements I'm trying to define. In what way does it perform better. My phone has no lag that I can see, no overheating, reboots or sharpening issues. Internet is quick enough on 3g that I use my phone to tether my work computer and canceled my broadband. You mention bug fixes. What bugs. As open to abuse as they are is there any benchmark evidence showing significant changes.
I had some issues early on with FC's on the message app but that was fixed via a firmware update not a app update for some reason. The camera has also improved with each update even though its already great. V10j changed how big the powered by Android logo is on boot up. I think v10i had the best performance updates in terms of smoothing out the menus and delay of the multitasking menu. My phone hits 47k on antutu stock rooted no mods other than some Xposed modules that have no effect on speed. I also have the F460S so it might benchmark higher than the SD801 models. See images below for change logs of the updates and my antutu. It should also be noted that I kept root through all updates on my phone. I didn't screenshot the earlier updates but another member has also updated and kept root with the F460 so I'm not alone here.
Cheers for the reply mate. I think I'll stay put. If it ain't broke don't fix it. :good:
Does Xposed slow down the phone or is it the combination of certain modules?
I've been using a T-Mobile H811 since launch and so does my girlfriend. The biggest difference between our two phones is that I've rooted mine as soon as I was able to and also installed Xposed Frameworks along with a few modules. For the most part, I've been pretty happy with the performance of my phone and have been able to shrug off the occasional performance stutter.
Recently, I was playing around with my girlfriend's phone and I noticed that it was a lot smoother than mine. I put our phones side by side and it was plain as day that her phone was a lot smoother when just swiping through panels in the settings menu. After that, I couldn't unsee how slow my phone actually was. Because of this, I concluded that it must be something Xposed related as that's the main difference between our two phones.
So that brings me to my big question: is it the presence of Xposed being installed that may have an adverse affect on a phone performance or is it having certain modules installed that affect the performance? Or maybe, just maybe, it was even the combination of apps that I keep installed that were at fault?
If you have any insight or opinions to share, I'd love to hear it. If you've been forever on Xposed like I have, maybe you don't notice the performance being any better or worse since that's just what you're used to seeing, but if you've use it on and off, maybe you'll have better insight into it?
I recently did a factory reset and opted not to install Xposed. For the couple of days, I think it's safe to say that my phone is running a lot better, but there are definitely a few modules that I miss. Most notably G4 TweaksBox and also Restore Notifications Ticker, though I'm also very fond of Flat Style Colored Bars (but if modules impact performance, I can see how this one might be the culprit.
Thanks!
My guess is that the number of modules and what modules you have would affect performance. In my opinion i think the modules that theme parts of the phone use the most memory. I used to have xposed and the tiny lag never really bothered me at but xposed just isnt for me. Maybe a list of modules you use would make the question a little but easier to answer.
It was explained by rovo89, that if you use modules, which are not updated to the latest xposed, the phone will lag, because of xposed using up the resources and your logcat will be also filled with errors. I think he wrote about this on his GutHub or the XDA thread. That said, I am using only 5 correct modules and the phone is fast as on stock.
theming modules like stana or fsb or others causing lag imo....but others which have single usage arent so power hungry...im not sure about gravitybox style modules...
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My guess is that the number of modules and what modules you have would affect performance. In my opinion i think the modules that theme parts of the phone use the most memory. I used to have xposed and the tiny lag never really bothered me at but xposed just isnt for me. Maybe a list of modules you use would make the question a little but easier to answer.
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The modules that I used where Restore Notifications Ticker, Flat Style Color Bars, G4 TweaksBox, SNAPPREFS, Spotify Skip, Pandora Patcher, Swap Volume Keys, and then enabled the Greenify Xposed options. Other than FSCB and the tweaks box, most aren’t changing much, but those are also my two favorite modules and probably do the most heavy lifting. And, like I said, the lag never really bothered me (since it’s what I was used to), but then I used my girlfriend’s phone without Xposed and immediately noticed the difference.
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It was explained by rovo89, that if you use modules, which are not updated to the latest xposed, the phone will lag, because of xposed using up the resources and your logcat will be also filled with errors. I think he wrote about this on his GutHub or the XDA thread. That said, I am using only 5 correct modules and the phone is fast as on stock.
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Which modules are you using? And how could I read the log to see which, if any, modules are the ones causing issue?
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theming modules like stana or fsb or others causing lag imo....but others which have single usage arent so power hungry...im not sure about gravitybox style modules...
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I kind of figured that FSCB might be doing resource intensive since it themes on demand based on the app. I really wish the tinted bars were a part of the stock experience… it looks so good.
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So you’d all agree that it’s safe to say just having Xposed installed is fine and should prevent no problems and that I should just test the modules individually or together and see how things perform?
Giving up Xposed completely isn’t so bad, but there are a few things I’ll really miss, especially the notifications ticker and being able to hold the recent key to open the last app. I kind of want to ween myself off it, though, knowing that it may not always be an option in the future.
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The modules that I used where Restore Notifications Ticker, Flat Style Color Bars, G4 TweaksBox, SNAPPREFS, Spotify Skip, Pandora Patcher, Swap Volume Keys, and then enabled the Greenify Xposed options. Other than FSCB and the tweaks box, most aren’t changing much, but those are also my two favorite modules and probably do the most heavy lifting. And, like I said, the lag never really bothered me (since it’s what I was used to), but then I used my girlfriend’s phone without Xposed and immediately noticed the difference.
Which modules are you using? And how could I read the log to see which, if any, modules are the ones causing issue?
I kind of figured that FSCB might be doing resource intensive since it themes on demand based on the app. I really wish the tinted bars were a part of the stock experience… it looks so good.
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So you’d all agree that it’s safe to say just having Xposed installed is fine and should prevent no problems and that I should just test the modules individually or together and see how things perform?
Giving up Xposed completely isn’t so bad, but there are a few things I’ll really miss, especially the notifications ticker and being able to hold the recent key to open the last app. I kind of want to ween myself off it, though, knowing that it may not always be an option in the future.
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g4 toolbox have tinted status bar and nav bar....
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g4 toolbox have tinted status bar and nav bar....
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Flat Style Color Bars works better and is more customizable.
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My lg g4 bootlooped recently so I sent it in and got another. I also got a Samsung S7. I have not rooted the new G4, but I have rooted and installed XPosed on the S7.
First thing that's immediately noticeable is how fast the stock LG G4 is. The LG G4 slaughters the rooted Xposed S7 in both performance and battery life. The G4 when it was rooted + Xposed was very laggy. This has prompted me to begin looking into the possibility that Xposed kills performance.
I'm only using 3 modules. MinMinGuard, Snapprefs, and YouTube AdAway. I think the issue is with the Xposed framework itself.
This is not the normal 'lag' but a wierd frame drop issue when scrolling in an otherwise smooth experience.
This doesn't seem to be app specific or kernel specific either. It happens in even the settings app and I've tried pretty much all kernels and different settings but this issue seems to persist. This does not happen in Custom Roms, I tried really hard to replicate it.
I've reported it to Oneplus via the feedback app with logs, but have little hope for a reply from them. I'm just taking a shot at here if anyone else noticed this or maybe even found the reason for it. I checked logs but couldn't find anything specific.
Screenshots attached with 'Profile GPU Rendering' On when the stutter happens.
(Issue since 4.7.6 to now OB4)
Logs of when the stutter happens attached.
Yes am also facing the same.
venky716 said:
This is not the normal 'lag' but a wierd frame drop issue when scrolling in an otherwise smooth experience.
This doesn't seem to be app specific or kernel specific either. It happens in even the settings app and I've tried pretty much all kernels and different settings but this issue seems to persist. This does not happen in Custom Roms, I tried really hard to replicate it.
I've reported it to Oneplus via the feedback app with logs, but have little hope for a reply from them. I'm just taking a shot at here if anyone else noticed this or maybe even found the reason for it. I checked logs but couldn't find anything specific.
Screenshots attached with 'Profile GPU Rendering' On when the stutter happens.
(Issue since 4.7.6 to now OB4)
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Amazing contribution.
Same issue on OB4. Seems to happen after 3-4 after a reboot
Same things, on custom rom though..
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Same things, on custom rom though..
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Extensively used CNP and Omni, even intentionally tried to replicate this but couldn't. Seems it's restricted to just OxygenOS.
When Ivrun stock oos, I always use renderkernel. It is the smoothest I've ever seen on this phone. Not sure how to read the GPU bars but it never exceeds above the navbar area. It usually stays right in the bottom half of the navbar.
Give render kernel a try and you really wont be disappointed.
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When Ivrun stock oos, I always use renderkernel. It is the smoothest I've ever seen on this phone. Not sure how to read the GPU bars but it never exceeds above the navbar area. It usually stays right in the bottom half of the navbar.
Give render kernel a try and you really wont be disappointed.
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Using render right now and yes it is by far the smoothest kernel. But this issue still persists. The only common factor is OxygenOS, I'd assume it to be a hardware or screen protector issue but it does not happen with custom ROMs.
After talking to @joshuous this is what he suspects could be the reason for the issue. Thanks again for explaining.
"The issue was mainly because the graphics buffer could not be dequeued (to allocate free buffers for graphics)
But that was as deep as I could trace
I haven't yet figured out a way to trace further
Maybe OOS screwed up somewhere trying to allocate too many buffers to graphics but not freeing them in time for more frames to be rendered"
There is no likely solution as of yet, will post if and when.
I experienced the same issue for the first time on OB4 and it persists from time to time. Solution: Reboot
Ok so as a temporary fix I found enabling 'Disable HW Overlays' from developer options helps a lot.
This maybe similar to a fix for YouTube lag found on Nexus 6.
https://www.xda-developers.com/fix-youtube-lag-on-the-nexus-6/
Hi, occasionally I have a similar problem where I experience intermittent lags or heavy frame drops during scrolling. My setup is OOS 9.0.3, stock kernel, unrooted.
Turning on "disable HW overlays" definitely helps a lot, but in my case just turning the screen off and on seems to get rid of the quirk at least until I turn the screen off.
Also there was a thread on XDA apparently talking about the same kind of lags, and the OP there said to have solved it by tinkering with some custom kernel to crank up the CPU frequency whenever s/he touches the screen. I didn't try it myself though.
same on op6/6t
on latest stable oxygenOS all ok...
but betas and older stable same lag after fast third scroll/tap... kernel cannot fix it, it's rom issue (
Same issue on oneplus 7T! But no one talks about It, it's absurd. Didn't find any solution, I'm getting crazy because is always so visible
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