with firewater its not working for me.
i always getting an error on this
adb wait-for-device push firewater /data/local/tmp
is there any other way?
Sunshine.....only way ! Firewater is discontinued for many months already
http://theroot.ninja/
TahmKench said:
with firewater its not working for me.
i always getting an error on this
adb wait-for-device push firewater /data/local/tmp
is there any other way?
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Sunshine.....only way ! Firewater is discontinued for many months already
http://theroot.ninja/
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Take note that Sunshine costs $25 dollar and requires sense based rom + non-debuggable boot.img + UB + root. The tool does work fantastic though.
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Joery360 said:
Take note that Sunshine costs $25 dollar and requires sense based rom + non-debuggable boot.img + UB + root. The tool does work fantastic though.
Sent from my HTC One_M8
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I know......
@Mr Hofs Why only one way sunshine for s-off why no Developers Working on it's just question why is there secret between HTC and sunshine ?
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@Mr Hofs Why only one way sunshine for s-off why no Developers Working on it's just question why is there secret between HTC and sunshine ?
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There is no secret between HTC and sunshine. The developers of sunshine have no relation to HTC !
They develop sunshine because they have the knowledge. Now they support only their payed way to regain some income of lost (read bricked) devices in their process and the time they spent on perfecting these methods.
I can't blame them. Each device they brick is between 400-700 dollars.
Why nobody else is working on s-off ? No idea :
- No knowledge
- No time
- Not wanting to brick devices
- No need because there is sunshine
Building a tool like sunshine isn't easy.........it's not a soft brick when things go wrong. Developing a rom/software is completely different.
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@Mr Hofs Why only one way sunshine for s-off why no Developers Working on it's just question why is there secret between HTC and sunshine ?
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Its very rare for devs to work on a puzzle like s-off, when its already been solved. Quite simply, there is no reason to put forth what is a huge amount of effort, time and expense (for bricked phone, as Mr. Hofs already explained) for something that has already been done. It much more value added for devs to dedicate their talent and efforts to working on things that aren't already solved.
If you don't agree, roll up your sleeves and find your own s-off exploit. You'll find it cost a heck of lot more (in time, effort and cash) than the meager $25 the Sunshine team is asking for.
Also be aware that sunshine is developed by the same team that did firewater. They contributed to XDA and the mod community for free (or voluntary donations, anyway) for years before deciding to charge a mandatory fee for sunshine. Pretty clear that they were not motivated by greed, but merely by necessity to recoup lost funds.
But in reality, for most folks that think they "need" s-off, you probably don't. Its only needed to change CID/MID, manually flash radios, or modified hboots, and a few other things.
For the huge majority of other mods (root, custom ROM, etc.) you don't need s-off. Its nice to have, but its not really a necessity for many folks. If you need it, pay for it. If you don't way to pay, live without.
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Its very rare for devs to work on a puzzle like s-off, when its already been solved. Quite simply, there is no reason to put forth what is a huge amount of effort, time and expense (for bricked phone, as Mr. Hofs already explained) for something that has already been done. It much more value added for devs to dedicate their talent and efforts to working on things that aren't already solved.
If you don't agree, roll up your sleeves and find your own s-off exploit. You'll find it cost a heck of lot more (in time, effort and cash) than the meager $25 the Sunshine team is asking for.
Also be aware that sunshine is developed by the same team that did firewater. They contributed to XDA and the mod community for free (or voluntary donations, anyway) for years before deciding to charge a mandatory fee for sunshine. Pretty clear that they were not motivated by greed, but merely by necessity to recoup lost funds.
But in reality, for most folks that think they "need" s-off, you probably don't. Its only needed to change CID/MID, manually flash radios, or modified hboots, and a few other things.
For the huge majority of other mods (root, custom ROM, etc.) you don't need s-off. Its nice to have, but its not really a necessity for many folks. If you need it, pay for it. If you don't way to pay, live without.
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Yes that's what I mean
Like me I have m8 unlocked European v it's good to get s-off but it's not necessary for me if I want to flash Rom or use RUU just I need to relock bootloader even if I want to get OTA it's easy just unroot and back *stock recovery* @redpoint73 I agree with you
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Theses are really good points that are being made, I've been flashing roms for a while now and have never needed S-Off but it would be nice a donation instead of waiting for AT&T to get their act together
I got my M8 on release day and s-off'd with Firewater as soon as it was released and played around for a few months. I then jumped to a Nexus 5 on Tmo for a while only to jump back to another M8 which I then had to use Sunshine. IMO, $25 is not much to get your device to where you want it to be and show support. I now have 4 devices per se because I can change and have changed my phone to the Dev Edition, TMO version, Int version and now rockin GPE. Just my $0.02
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I know people have a mentality that everything in the custom ROM community should be free or donation-based, but...
If you are spending $500+, whether it's up-front or $25 a month for two years to your provider, $25 is a 5% premium (or one month's payment) to get it the way you want it.
If you haven't got $25... and I don't mean this in any kind of mean way... then maybe you shouldn't be risking bricking the $500 toy?
The Sunshine team are polite, helpful, IMMEDIATELY responsive in their IRC channel, and have excellent customer service. I wish I could say the same about many full-time paid software developers but I cannot. Those guys are aces, top-notch, and deserve your $25 for all the devices they destroyed making your exploit happen.
The biggest irony for me is that Sunshine was the reason I chose the M8 over the S5. I used to be a big Samsung fan until they started locking everything down six ways to Sunday. Knowing that I could S-off, and keep the freedom I did with my older devices, tipped the balance. For me, $25 was a no-brainer to essentially unlock every part of the device. It's almost like having a Nexus phone, but with better hardware.
As this thread has served it's purpose (to answer the OP's question).... I am closing it before someone feeds a magwai after midnight.
Thank you
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I have a scratched up Wildfire S that I am willing to donate for someone to figure out how to get s-off without a clip. PM if your intereseted. I'll even ship.
You MUST show proof that you are compitent to try this and not just wanting the phone. US shipping only. Anyone else out there that wants it if a dev isn't interested I'll trade it for a Best Buy gift card valued at $50 and its yours.
I am not trying to sell this (thats what the Marketplace is for...) but I don't want someone triksy just trying to grab a free phone. If you know someone who is working on this, PM and I'll see if they want it.
PM though, would really like to donate this to the "Cause."
L8r,
You are best off contacting Alpharevx team and asking them if they would be willing to work on it. They are the only team dedicated to unlocking the new phones with S-on security.
but unlock it via xtc clip in a shop is not a very big problem...
i´ve unlocked the WFS of my wife with 10€... in a mobile shop..
maybe i´m mistaken but alpharevx reussed to do it...
Alpharev couldn't unlock it. So they stopped trying.
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I have a scratched up Wildfire S that I am willing to donate for someone to figure out how to get s-off without a clip. PM if your intereseted. I'll even ship.
You MUST show proof that you are compitent to try this and not just wanting the phone. US shipping only. Anyone else out there that wants it if a dev isn't interested I'll trade it for a Best Buy gift card valued at $50 and its yours.
I am not trying to sell this (thats what the Marketplace is for...) but I don't want someone triksy just trying to grab a free phone. If you know someone who is working on this, PM and I'll see if they want it.
PM though, would really like to donate this to the "Cause."
L8r,
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If you unlock it yourself with XTC clip and then maybe donate it to an established developer on this forum so they can join in the development of CM7, MIUI etc.
He want's to donate it locked so that someone could work on cracking the S-on issue. If this issue is sorted then the floodgates are open to everybody, not just one guy that can work on ROMS for a small amount of people.
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He want's to donate it locked so that someone could work on cracking the S-on issue. If this issue is sorted then the floodgates are open to everybody, not just one guy that can work on ROMS for a small amount of people.
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true... I guess. But if AlpharevX couldn't do it..
damn you HTCdev.
*se-nsei. said:
true... I guess. But if AlpharevX couldn't do it..
damn you HTCdev.
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They barely even tried. If they really want to unlock it then they would.
Maybe HTC put a special lock on the wildfire s that hackers couldn't unlock it. Or wildfire s is a special cases phone that even devs couldn't see it like it never existed.
EDIT: there fumble is that they don't have this phone that's why they do not care about it. Also ROM Manager wildfire s in not in the list.
Very sad indeed!
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Maybe HTC put a special lock on the wildfire s that hackers couldn't unlock it. Or wildfire s is a special cases phone that even devs couldn't see it like it never existed.
EDIT: there fumble is that they don't have this phone that's why they do not care about it. Also ROM Manager wildfire s in not in the list.
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Old hardware and other stuff, that's why Alpharev couldn't unlock it.
This made me feel a lil better about our device http:// forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18343570&postcount=12
I think the people at HTC know how great this phone is and could be, and don't want it to over shadow their new devices coming out. I don't see the upgrade coming any time this year being so close to the major shopping holidays.
1 more thing, wouldn't it be special if the upgrade came with root access, I mean why just unlock boot loader. They say the reason their not locking boot loaders anymore is for development purposes.
that's their standard answer. already seen it elsewhere. don't expect too much.
Just pmed the op I think I'm might have found something just hope the op still has the phone and accepts to post it to northern Ireland if anyone else is willing to donate a wfs please sent me a pm I will return your handset once I'm finished.
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I would Eoghan only I'm already s-off and rooted....
meanmug said:
This made me feel a lil better about our device http:// forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18343570&postcount=12
I think the people at HTC know how great this phone is and could be, and don't want it to over shadow their new devices coming out. I don't see the upgrade coming any time this year being so close to the major shopping holidays.
1 more thing, wouldn't it be special if the upgrade came with root access, I mean why just unlock boot loader. They say the reason their not locking boot loaders anymore is for development purposes.
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Made me feel a little better too. But, i don't think they will unlock the bootloader. If they really wanted to, they would've done it AGES ago. Get my point?
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We need three little things to keep the development and forum for the Wildfire S alive:
1/ Stop obsessing over HTC's unlocked bootloader. We need FULL S-OFF and SIM card unlocking. HTC doesn't care. Repeat after me...HTC Doesn't care.
2/ Shake out your pockets if you can and get your devices XTC-Clipped. For the cost of it vs the effort put into trying to get around it. We need a bunch of S-OFF'd phones and developers to not be relegated to the boneyard. If software S-OFF is possible that will be awesome but in the mean while check the thread about local clippers to hopefully find someone close to you where you can go and get it done.
3/Focus on what we CAN change soonest. Getting back on the main forums. This is the most likely thing to happen with the least effort to keep us current and visible to other WFS users and developers looking for a home.
So get through wasting time on item 1, spend some money on item 2 or chip into the dev process and let's all work on petitioning for item 3.
So check out the threads in my signature and find your local XTC Clip owner and let's get this forum moving.
Thanks to all those still making development efforts and efforts to raise awareness of this great little phone that could.
Cheers.
B
FYI,the only reason I can't buy an xtc-clip is that I can't afford it, and no shopkeeper even knows what an xtc-clip is!!!It costs around 7000 rupees in India(that a heck lot costly for a 16 year old with a monthly allowance of 500 rupees). I am trying to get it from some guys at XDA but noone is replying to PM'S......Not everyone is lucky in finding or getting an S-OFF.......
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FYI,the only reason I can't buy an xtc-clip is that I can't afford it, and no shopkeeper even knows what an xtc-clip is!!!It costs around 7000 rupees in India(that a heck lot costly for a 16 year old with a monthly allowance of 500 rupees). I am trying to get it from some guys at XDA but noone is replying to PM'S......Not everyone is lucky in finding or getting an S-OFF.......
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Understandable.
Doesn't change the fact that focusing on our own solution will likely pay more dividends then waiting for an unmotivated HTC to do something.
Software S-OFF is in the list. Beg, borrowing, or stealing an XTC clip is in the list.
Group buying of one is in there too.
Essentially anything to get S-OFF users and Dev's to fan the fire under the Wildfire S
Regards,
DS
Agree with csoulr666 on this one. The XTC clip isn't a viable option for many of us. It's way too heavily priced for many of us (about 20% of the cost of the phone itself) and plus, it's not easily available in many countries like India. In fact, people don't know what an XTC clip is!
I'd like to believe in Group buys and campaigns but they don't always work as intended, do they?
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Agree with csoulr666 on this one. The XTC clip isn't a viable option for many of us. It's way too heavily priced for many of us (about 20% of the cost of the phone itself) and plus, it's not easily available in many countries like India. In fact, people don't know what an XTC clip is!
I'd like to believe in Group buys and campaigns but they don't always work as intended, do they?
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So it won't work for everyone but there are plenty of people who it will. It's about raising awareness that that thread and the option to go to someone local like myself exists.
My offer to clip phones for anyone on this forum still stands. I want to see things move forward for us.
Maybe first thing is to get us back on the main forum page now that we have CM7.2 with 9.0 on it's way.
People should research before purchasing the phone then. Gotta understand the risks and what is available before purchasing.
awareness
In all honesty alquez has pretty much put the WFS on the map; no disrespect to any other developers. Having:
a viable [yet unofficial] build of cwm
a viable [yet unofficial] build of cm7
This will, if it has not already, get the attention of some heavyweight devs.
Perhaps they will review and brand it official; perhaps we go on making unofficial stuff until someone notices. I just have to give him a huge thumbs up though when it comes to recognition of our phone model.
Rob
Yeah Alquez is king of wildfire s definetely He is doing so much for wilfire s community...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20051740
That's the tut I used to get s-off on my phone worked great
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PoGoP said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20051740
That's the tut I used to get s-off on my phone worked great
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Good for you.
But we all now that that is possible for CDMA device for some time,so you did not said nothing new.
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Good for you.
But we all now that that is possible for CDMA device for some time,so you did not said nothing new.
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Wound + Salt = Ouch
We really do need a sub forum for all these S-off threads...
Sorry. From the stuff I read on here I had not seen anything about anyone else on us cellular getting s-off. Only stuff I found was about virgin Mobil phone. So again I am sorry for repeating a known fact
I am still kinda new to this
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PoGoP said:
Sorry. From the stuff I read on here I had not seen anything about anyone else on us cellular getting s-off. Only stuff I found was about virgin Mobil phone. So again I am sorry for repeating a known fact
I am still kinda new to this
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If your phone is a510c, you can s-off it by the method used by virgin mobile users..
I got my One M8 yesterday from an upgrade and rooted it, after I had rooted it I tried to S-Off with the Firewater exploit. However when I tried I get this error.
********** whelp, this sucks, firewater can not work on your device **********
********** no amount of reflashing, retrying, or ruuing will fix... **********
********** DO NOT COME TO IRC ASKING FOR UPDATES OR ETAS!!!!!! **********
********** if we are able to fix this issue, it will be announced **********
********** bye bye.....sorry it didn't work out. **********
Is there any other option to try or do I have to wait for a new exploit?
Rye Cribby Tree said:
I got my One M8 yesterday from an upgrade and rooted it, after I had rooted it I tried to S-Off with the Firewater exploit. However when I tried I get this error.
********** whelp, this sucks, firewater can not work on your device **********
********** no amount of reflashing, retrying, or ruuing will fix... **********
********** DO NOT COME TO IRC ASKING FOR UPDATES OR ETAS!!!!!! **********
********** if we are able to fix this issue, it will be announced **********
********** bye bye.....sorry it didn't work out. **********
Is there any other option to try or do I have to wait for a new exploit?
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The only other alternative for S-OFF is Sunshine.
[Android][HTC S-OFF] SunShine for modern HTC devices
It's created by the same developers as Firewater but it seems to do the job. The catch however is, it's $25 through an in app payment method. Of course the program itself first checks your device for compatibility BEFORE you pay for anything, that way you won't end up paying for something that "might" not work. Might want to give it a shot and see, so far the people tend to view it as $25 well spent.
BerndM14 said:
The only other alternative for S-OFF is Sunshine.
[Android][HTC S-OFF] SunShine for modern HTC devices
It's created by the same developers as Firewater but it seems to do the job. The catch however is, it's $25 through an in app payment method. Of course the program itself first checks your device for compatibility BEFORE you pay for anything, that way you won't end up paying for something that "might" not work. Might want to give it a shot and see, so far the people tend to view it as $25 well spent.
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That is unfortunate. I would really like to support these guys but money is tight, ya know. Guess I have to wait.
Rye Cribby Tree said:
That is unfortunate. I would really like to support these guys but money is tight, ya know. Guess I have to wait.
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Well, at least you don't need S-OFF to flash ROMs so you could probably still flash Viper or ARHD or another and have some fun with custom ROMs if you want or just wait out until you're ready to go. At least the phone is still pretty fun in it's stock state should hold for a while :good:
Firewater S-Off doesn't seems to work for Me too...
I am getting error as screenshot attached ... tried many a times but not getting success of getting through, please help!
Sunshine works with all m8's. Waiting because you are tight on money could make you miss your chance.
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Bhavesh Mistry said:
I am getting error as screenshot attached ... tried many a times but not getting success of getting through, please help!
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I got this same message. After meticulous research, I found that there is absolutely nothing that could be done. I decided to fork over the $25 for Sunshine and it worked like a charm. There are no codes or cables or anything. It's an app on the phone and it takes about 5 min. Well worth the money as I was able to convert my M8 to a Google Play Edition.
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I got this same message. After meticulous research, I found that there is absolutely nothing that could be done. I decided to fork over the $25 for Sunshine and it worked like a charm. There are no codes or cables or anything. It's an app on the phone and it takes about 5 min. Well worth the money as I was able to convert my M8 to a Google Play Edition.
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Ok. Might give a try someday ... But first would research more further on other ways out coz shelling $25 for an app would be too much for now . Anyways thanks for the suggestion, sooner or later it will of help. :good:
Bhavesh Mistry said:
Ok. Might give a try someday ... But first would research more further on other ways out coz shelling $25 for an app would be too much for now . Anyways thanks for the suggestion, sooner or later it will of help. :good:
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You're not paying $25 for an app, you are paying a relatively small amount to the developers for the huge amount of work involved in achieving this. Development takes lots of painstaking hours, weeks, months to achieve something workable like this.
I know I have developed for Samsung devices and trust me $25 is perfectly acceptable if you want the developers to maintain an interest.
Tbh the choice is yours, either nobody bothers and there is no development and no S-OFF at all , so nothing for you to pay anyway or encourage the developers and say thanks by remunerating the developers for all their hard work.
Either way the choice is there, S-OFF for a small price or no S-OFF at all.
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You're not paying $25 for an app, you are paying a relatively small amount to the developers for the huge amount of work involved in achieving this. Development takes lots of painstaking hours, weeks, months to achieve something workable like this.
I know I have developed for Samsung devices and trust me $25 is perfectly acceptable if you want the developers to maintain an interest.
Tbh the choice is yours, either nobody bothers and there is no development and no S-OFF at all , so nothing for you to pay anyway or encourage the developers and say thanks by remunerating the developers for all their hard work.
Either way the choice is there, S-OFF for a small price or no S-OFF at all.
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Just curious... What is it about firewater no longer working? I read something about the most recent OTA killing it. Is it firmware/ROM related?
diceman725 said:
Just curious... What is it about firewater no longer working? I read something about the most recent OTA killing it. Is it firmware/ROM related?
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It was an error on the part of the developers, they named it "Firewater" fire and water just don't mix/work which is why Firewater didn't work either.
Sunshine on the other hand is always a good thing, it's healthy and as such it works well and is in a healthy state too. The name is everything...
ashyx said:
You're not paying $25 for an app, you are paying a relatively small amount to the developers for the huge amount of work involved in achieving this. Development takes lots of painstaking hours, weeks, months to achieve something workable like this.
I know I have developed for Samsung devices and trust me $25 is perfectly acceptable if you want the developers to maintain an interest.
Tbh the choice is yours, either nobody bothers and there is no development and no S-OFF at all , so nothing for you to pay anyway or encourage the developers and say thanks by remunerating the developers for all their hard work.
Either way the choice is there, S-OFF for a small price or no S-OFF at all.
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Hey Brother ... sorry if I made you feel Offended, had no such intentions and I respect developers and their work and their life equally as much you do. Without them obvious Android would had been so boring. Dont want to stretch it further so just writing to say a SORRY :highfive: if you felt bad & I've already downloaded the app and purchased the license yesterday night, would be using it as soon as I get my handset back from the service center. Facing certain USB port issues since morning.
:good: PEACE :good:
Bhavesh Mistry said:
Hey Brother ... sorry if I made you feel Offended, had no such intentions and I respect developers and their work and their life equally as much you do. Without them obvious Android would had been so boring. Dont want to stretch it further so just writing to say a SORRY :highfive: if you felt bad & I've already downloaded the app and purchased the license yesterday night, would be using it as soon as I get my handset back from the service center. Facing certain USB port issues since morning.
:good: PEACE :good:
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Finally the s is off (gained S-Off) on my HTC M8 thanks to Sunshine app. :victory:
All I can say is money was worth spent, tried week long through all the means but could not get through it & finally read abt sunshine while looking for alternative and tried it & without any wires & commands prompts & hassle got s-off on my device. SO now the brilliance on my M8 is totally unleashed & will be now flashing custom ROM soon. Last but not least would like to give the credit to ashyx for diverting my mind towards going on with sunshine & BIG thanks to the team who developed this wonderful & extremely helpful app. :good:
Definitely would recommend to those for whom firewater doesnot work & wants to get S-Off & dont mind spending. !!! Go Ahead !!!
Hello guys,
I have problem to make my M8 s-off. I put driver adb and i start with Firewater, he worwork, hé open first bottle, then he write "you have been parched by HTC. So, if i can't put S-off, i can't upgrade my firmware, and i'can't improve my phone to new version of viper. Also, i think when lolipop arrive i'can't improve also ..... Sad.
Do some one have a solution for that and does some one work on this problème problem.
ThanThankr for you're answer.
Aguyos said:
Hello guys,
I have problem to make my M8 s-off. I put driver adb and i start with Firewater, he worwork, hé open first bottle, then he write "you have been parched by HTC. So, if i can't put S-off, i can't upgrade my firmware, and i'can't improve my phone to new version of viper. Also, i think when lolipop arrive i'can't improve also ..... Sad.
Do some one have a solution for that and does some one work on this problème problem.
ThanThankr for you're answer.
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Search for Sunshine. The most well spent €25 for all the reasons you stated
Aguyos said:
Hello guys,
I have problem to make my M8 s-off. I put driver adb and i start with Firewater, he worwork, hé open first bottle, then he write "you have been parched by HTC. So, if i can't put S-off, i can't upgrade my firmware, and i'can't improve my phone to new version of viper. Also, i think when lolipop arrive i'can't improve also ..... Sad.
Do some one have a solution for that and does some one work on this problème problem.
ThanThankr for you're answer.
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That is not your only problem, posting in the wrong section also...
Please read the Forum Rules on posting.
Judgment, from my M8 using Forum Runner.....
Judge Joseph Dredd said:
That is not your only problem, posting in the wrong section also...
Please read the Forum Rules on posting.
Judgment, from my M8 using Forum Runner.....
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I'm passing 'judgement' right now on your spelling.
xunholyx said:
I'm passing 'judgement' right now on your spelling.
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What if I don't have money to spend on software that 'unlocks' my phone? It used to be free with firewater and now people that couldn't know HTC is going to fix fw have to pay 25$ to allow full customization to their phones? BS.
Any other ways without this paid stuff to go s-off...?
quadlt said:
What if I don't have money to spend on software that 'unlocks' my phone? It used to be free with firewater and now people that couldn't know HTC is going to fix fw have to pay 25$ to allow full customization to their phones? BS.
Any other ways without this paid stuff to go s-off...?
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Your phone costs $700 stock. Is $25 really too much to ask for to s-off and give you full access and to mod to your hearts content?
That being said, do you really need s-off?
Do you really need it?
S-on will protect you.
xunholyx said:
Your phone costs $700 stock. Is $25 really too much to ask for to s-off and give you full access and to mod to your hearts content?
That being said, do you really need s-off?
Do you really need it?
S-on will protect you.
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I have two options with s-on: either somehow find an old ROM for my old firmware or bear with the 2+ minutes boot time. So yeah I really need it.
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I have two options with s-on: either somehow find an old ROM for my old firmware or bear with the 2+ minutes boot time. So yeah I really need it.
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Well, if you REALLY need it, pony up the $25. If it is something you REALLY need, Then $25 isn't too much to ask for.
Sorry if I'm coming across as an *sshole, but for real dude.
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Well, if you REALLY need it, pony up the $25. If it is something you REALLY need, Then $25 isn't too much to ask for.
Sorry if I'm coming across as an *sshole, but for real dude.
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I understand and I wouldn't be all sore about this if everyone either got it for free or paid the price. Since, as I said, there are people that got away with firewater before the patch, it's a bit unfair from my point of view.
quadlt said:
I understand and I wouldn't be all sore about this if everyone either got it for free or paid the price. Since, as I said, there are people that got away with firewater before the patch, it's a bit unfair from my point of view.
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Well that's called life......lots of unfair things happen, third world countries, wars, animal cruelty
If i have the choice i would gladly choose the unfairness of $25
Mr Hofs said:
Well that's called life......lots of unfair things happen, third world countries, wars, animal cruelty
If i have the choice i would gladly choose the unfairness of $25
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Good for you guys when you work on your own and 25$ is nothing but pocket change, not so here in my, you could say, third world country...
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I understand and I wouldn't be all sore about this if everyone either got it for free or paid the price. Since, as I said, there are people that got away with firewater before the patch, it's a bit unfair from my point of view.
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I'm going to repeat this.
Do you REALLY NEED S-Off? S-On is a better choice unless you want to downgrade your firmware or get into settings that I can guarantee you don't want to touch with what I assume is your limited knowledge with the /system partition
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quadlt said:
Good for you guys when you work on your own and 25$ is nothing but pocket change, not so here in my, you could say, third world country...
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Yet you have a $700 device in your pocket.
quadlt said:
Good for you guys when you work on your own and 25$ is nothing but pocket change, not so here in my, you could say, third world country...
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I never said anything about it being pocket money here, and i am certainly not here to discuss a third world country. Everybody has his reasons why they do or simply can't afford it.
This whole type of discussion has been done several times now and it doesn't change the situation one bit unfortunately.
So i would say stop thinking and writing about it here as it's not helping you at all (not saying you can't give your opinion but this always ends the same way)
Get the money for s-off or stay s-on ! That's the only option you have.
Well you guys just went full on me. Sorry for 'spamming' the topic and have a good one.
quadlt said:
Well you guys just went full on me. Sorry for 'spamming' the topic and have a good one.
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Ah no, just being honest and straightforward with ya, not to bash or anything but this is how it is and it's not going to change.
Cheers.
Is there any way to s-off my device for free without sunshine app
Secondly should i be s-off to be able to install official oreo
Andrew7Henry said:
Is there any way to s-off my device for free without sunshine app
Secondly should i be s-off to be able to install official oreo
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No and no.
The current Oreo RUU is probably a leak, thus not official.
Andrew7Henry said:
Is there any way to s-off my device for free without sunshine app
Secondly should i be s-off to be able to install official oreo
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You need flash firmware ,i have stock oreo htc 10
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reinaldoh27 said:
You need flash firmware ,i have stock oreo htc 10
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https://www.reddit.com/r/HTC10/comments/7psux8/download_link_for_htc_10_us_unlocked_ruu_3166172/
You have to buy the SunShine app and here's everything else you need: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=240838
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No and no.
The current Oreo RUU is probably a leak, thus not official.
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This explains the poor battery performance...
Why should anyone pay for the software. It should be free & optional donations. There should be another software than sunshine that other devs have released.
If it's free to flash an lg/samsung/sony than why would anyone pay for a software for HTC. Plus if your HTC bricks or you upgrade to another HTC you've gotta folk out another $25 (could be more depending on your country) each new HTC device you purchase. It's stupid and there should be a free software, just like there are for other brands of phones I've specified.
Stevo001457 said:
Why should anyone pay for the software. It should be free & optional donations. There should be another software than sunshine that other devs have released.
If it's free to flash an lg/samsung/sony than why would anyone pay for a software for HTC. Plus if your HTC bricks or you upgrade to another HTC you've gotta folk out another $25 (could be more depending on your country) each new HTC device you purchase. It's stupid and there should be a free software, just like there are for other brands of phones I've specified.
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Feel free to develop a free exploit you will be a GOD among men.
@beaups @jcase
Stevo001457 said:
Why should anyone pay for the software. It should be free & optional donations. There should be another software than sunshine that other devs have released.
If it's free to flash an lg/samsung/sony than why would anyone pay for a software for HTC. Plus if your HTC bricks or you upgrade to another HTC you've gotta folk out another $25 (could be more depending on your country) each new HTC device you purchase. It's stupid and there should be a free software, just like there are for other brands of phones I've specified.
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Would love to see a free way to bypass/disable secure boot on a modern lg/samsung/sony, I haven't. I've seen some very private, and VERY expensive tools to do so.
because donations wouldn't cover 1/10th of the cost of development.
What is stupid is the amount of complaints we see with people saying it is stupid. If you don't like it, do what we did. Develop your own. Invest your time, energy and money into it. Then give it away, but don't complain when donations don't even cover your phone costs, let along your other equipment, the specialized software, or your time.
Sloth said:
Feel free to develop a free exploit you will be a GOD among men.
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No complaints here, I encourage him to do it.
Stevo001457 said:
Why should anyone pay for the software. It should be free & optional donations.
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Do you work for free or for optional donations only?
Do you tell every developer their software should be free or only some? What is the standard? What is your basis for deciding who should get paid and who shouldn't?
Do you know S-OFF isn't required for flashing custom ROMs on this device? I'm S-ON and for a good reason: it's more secure (against malicious code and user error) and it has kept me from flashing a problematic, unreleased, misreported htc ROM (the leaked Oreo for US Unlocked; official release has still not happened yet).
Andrew7Henry said:
Is there any way to s-off my device for free without sunshine app
Secondly should i be s-off to be able to install official oreo
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No. The alternative is more expensive, as it requires purchasing hardware (and the expertise to use it).
Secondly, IF there's an official Oreo for your variant, no, you don't need to be S-OFF; that would be silly since the point of S-ON is to prevent unofficial non-htc-signed firmware from being flashed to the device's critical partitions. There is not an official Oreo build for US Unlocked (617), for example, contrary to what's been misreported.
Well that's your opinion mate, I'm not implying the software is stupid. I'm saying if it's not free then it should be a one time cost, regardless of how many HTC devices you own . I own the LG v20 as well as the HTC 10. It was extremely easy to flash another rom on my v20. No cost or anything, just download LG Up, have the kdz file for the firmware and away you go but it's a hassle on the 10, seeming there's no other workaround to downgrade your firmware.
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Would love to see a free way to bypass/disable secure boot on a modern lg/samsung/sony, I haven't. I've seen some very private, and VERY expensive tools to do so.
because donations wouldn't cover 1/10th of the cost of development.
What is stupid is the amount of complaints we see with people saying it is stupid. If you don't like it, do what we did. Develop your own. Invest your time, energy and money into it. Then give it away, but don't complain when donations don't even cover your phone costs, let along your other equipment, the specialized software, or your time.
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Well that's your opinion mate, I'm not implying the software is stupid. I'm saying if it's not free then it should be a one time cost, regardless of how many HTC devices you own . I own the LG v20 as well as the HTC 10. It was extremely easy to flash another rom on my v20. No cost or anything, just download LG Up, have the kdz file for the firmware and away you go but it's a hassle on the 10, seeming there's no other workaround to downgrade your firmware.
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It is facts, not opinion.
You can flash htc devices without s-off, even easier than LG. So I dont even know what you are talking about, I dont think you do either.
If you dont like it, do it youself? We released a ton of free resources to get you up to speed, save you a lot of time and money, that we had to invest.
Look I'm learning here. I haven't had the 10 for long but don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I found it straight forward to flash the LG and I wasn't aware that I could upgrade, downgrade with s-on
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It is facts, not opinion.
You can flash htc devices without s-off, even easier than LG. So I dont even know what you are talking about, I dont think you do either.
If you dont like it, do it youself? We released a ton of free resources to get you up to speed, save you a lot of time and money, that we had to invest.
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Look I'm learning here. I haven't had the 10 for long but don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I found it straight forward to flash the LG and I wasn't aware that I could upgrade, downgrade with s-on
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How would you like me to word it? You are making factually incorrect statements?
I have guides for download htc without s-off here on XDA, just like with LG, it depends how they set some versioning info.
So basically I can upgrade/downgrade without s off but I can't flash a custom rom right?
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How would you like me to word it? You are making factually incorrect statements?
I have guides for download htc without s-off here on XDA, just like with LG, it depends how they set some versioning info.
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So basically I can upgrade/downgrade without s off but I can't flash a custom rom right?
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Search help section, you will find threads about waht s-off is and how to flash roms.
Oh so I can flash roms and such, as long as I have an unlocked bootlooder but to have the complete advanced experience such as flashing stock roms from another country other than mine you need s off. I'd like to apologise for my rant earlier, I was being hot headed
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Oh so I can flash roms and such, as long as I have an unlocked bootlooder but to have the complete advanced experience such as flashing stock roms from another country other than mine you need s off. I'd like to apologise for my rant earlier, I was being hot headed
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No worries, reactions like this is one of the reasons we charge, we got tired of putting up with people when we were burning time and money for nothing.
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No worries, reactions like this is one of the reasons we charge, we got tired of putting up with people when we were burning time and money for nothing.
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Amen to that...why I got out of hardware and software sole-proprietorship, even with making money. Tech is fun. Customers are not.
Have to be big enough to hire the guy "who deals with the customers so the engineers don't have to".
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Oh so I can flash roms and such, as long as I have an unlocked bootlooder but to have the complete advanced experience such as flashing stock roms from another country other than mine you need s off. I'd like to apologise for my rant earlier, I was being hot headed
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No, you don't. You can just wait for htc to release the stuff before flashing it and unlocking the bootloader strictly involves following htc's directions. Have you followed the instructions for whichever ROM you're wanting to flash?