It is bad news , then good news, then bad again. My phone was stolen from where I work. It was found 5 hours later. It was really wet when it was found. (we don't know how it got wet, nor for how long it was in water..)I dried it off, put it in rice for 48 hours...I have turned it on, and it stays on for about 3 min. Then it shuts off. It will not start up again unless I take out the battery. And will do the on thing for 3 min again, etc...
So I have questions...If I keep this thing in rice for a longer period, does it have a chance of working? I filed a police report. I have a case #. What are the chances of HTC covering this by warranty? The water indicator mark on the phone itself is pink/red. The battery is pink cross-haired. It doesn't look as pink as the phone unit itself.
I called HTC just now. They are closed until Monday. I just wanted to get some varied opinions. Thanks.
well first question is, do you have insurance for the phone? i dont think HTC would take care of it as of they only replace if the phone has defects, but insurance would, theyll be your best friend in situations like this, happened to my Touch Pro, i put the sucker in rice for 5 days and its working great, only thing is that there still some spots left from the water on the screen, but its barely noticeable, but the day it got wet, called up AT&T and they said theyll send me a new phone, which how i ended up having a Tilt 2
also to add on to this, i dont think the cops can find out who stole it who knows....someone can come up and admit it....
my phone was stolen about a month ago...i just called tmo and submitted a claim via asurion...from your sig, it appears this may not be an option for you...
chances are, they will deny your claim, as the phone is in you possesion and is wet. how are they to know that your phone was stolen as opposed to you getting it wet. as a former claims adjuster, that's how I would view it.
lastly, do you have a cell phone repair shop in your area, it may be worth your while having them take a look at it, rather than getting htc involved...
if you have asurion insurance they shouldnt deny you a claim but it may be different in the area you live in, for me with sprint i must pay a $100 deductible but it covers theft, physical damage, and water damage for a replacement
No, I do not have any insurance on the phone. I have Home Owner's Insurance, but I believe my deductible is prob pretty high.
I don't know about Asurion. It looks like they cover the Carrier's phones, not an unlocked one.
I was in hopes that HTC would cover it since I didn't get it wet myself. It was stolen from my office at school...( a &*#@ student did it). Since I have a police report and case #, I can verify that it was stolen and discovered "wet." You don't think HTC would accept that? I mean, it is all true.
It is so discouraging.
Rock and a hard place
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No, I do not have any insurance on the phone. I have Home Owner's Insurance, but I believe my deductible is prob pretty high.
I don't know about Asurion. It looks like they cover the Carrier's phones, not an unlocked one.
I was in hopes that HTC would cover it since I didn't get it wet myself. It was stolen from my office at school...( a &*#@ student did it). Since I have a police report and case #, I can verify that it was stolen and discovered "wet." You don't think HTC would accept that? I mean, it is all true.
It is so discouraging.
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It's unfortunate what happened yes, but HTC only feels responsibility to cover repairs that are related to faulty manufacturing...even though you can prove that it's not your fault the phone was stolen or damaged, those are both issues that only some type of insurance would cover, I'm sorry to say. Assurion is the company that provides harware insurance to most of the major carriers, but yes I think it's only offered on phones bought from/through the carrier itself....you would know if you had it because there'd be a small (~$10) charge on your bill each month for it.
What if I got a Square Trade warranty?
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What if I got a Square Trade warranty?
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Well sure if you had that on the phone then you should be just fine...their terms clearly say they cover immersion, so they shouldn't give you any hassle about it. Although, I do see that their fine print states "unlocking a cell phone after purchase will void the warranty"...so don't know if you might get a hassle for the custom ROM, or if they only care about carrier unlocking.
Now, if you don't have the Square Trade warranty yet and were thinking about purchasing it and then submitting this claim, they might have an exclusion period where you can't make a claim within the first x number of days after buying the warranty, if the phone isn't brand new when you purchase the coverage (that's not unheard of in the 3rd-party warranty business)
EDIT: Yes, they do have a 60-day exclusion period...anything happening in that period is considered to be "pre-existing". And, it looks like you have to purchase the coverage within the first 30 days after the auction that you bought it from.
Suggest you do the following:
1) Batteries are easily damaged by water and can become a silent fire hazard, so remove and dispose of the battery Leave the back cover off the phone.
2) Give the phone a very thorough bath in distilled water (no soap or anything) to remove any contaminants. Optionally, disassemble phone first.
3) Shake as much water as possible out of the phone
4) Wrap phone securely in paper towel
5) Place phone in a bowl of instant rice, and cover bowl with plastic wrap
6) Put bowl in a sunny place
7) 24 hrs after there is no more condensation on the plastic wrap, your phone is as dry as it ever is going to be
8) Put new battery in phone, replace cover, and charge for full charge cycle
With a little luck, your phone will be working as good as new.
Thanks. I will try above steps. I will keep you posted here.
So out of curiosity, I tried the phone again. It comes on for 3 minutes, then goes blank. (shuts off) While it is on, the phone itself gets really hot, as well as the battery when I remove it. What is this a sign of?
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So out of curiosity, I tried the phone again. It comes on for 3 minutes, then goes blank. (shuts off) While it is on, the phone itself gets really hot, as well as the battery when I remove it. What is this a sign of?
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Did you try following the advice where it said to replace the battery? You can get them dirt cheap on ebay if you havnt. I would try that first myself as that would save a lot of time AND money if thats all it is.
You also might be able to get a new battery from your carrier. I've heard of people walking in and saying hey I only get so many minutes out of my battery and they just give them a new one. I would go in NOT say anything about dropping your phone in the water and saying the battery only lasts three minutes, then show them how it turns off after. You may end up getting a free one.
Again thats assuming you bought it from your carrier and not direct from HTC. If you didnt.. ebay!
I finally got a different battery put in the phone. I also did a hard reset. The phone went thru the process of booting up, setting up phone for 1st time, etc...it stayed on for about 5 min. Then.....BLACK...BLANK screen. Now when I try to start it up, it will only last about 60 seconds.
Suggestions on what to do next? Thanks.
Time for a new phone!!
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Time for a new phone!!
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Yeah, it's time to throw in the towel on this one I'm afraid
EDIT: I don't see for sure that you followed steps 5-7 in datawrhsdoc's instructions above...did you? It may be past that point yet, but it's the only other thing that might have had any chance of helping you
I had already done the rice trick. Thanks for following up. dang this just pisses me off.
yeah, if you turned on the phone while the electronic components were wet, chances are something fried inside. time for a new phone.
and why would htc pay to repair this phone? warranty only covers manufacturer's defects.
on the positive side, you can find tp2's for about 250.00 right now.
I have a couple of questions when it comes to the deductible and TEP replacement.
1) Drop damage - I dropped my phone on some pretty rough concrete, scuffed up a corner pretty bad. If I sharpie it it's not really noticeable, but I was wondering if they'll charge me my deductible for that.
2) Water damage - I may have (idk) tripped my internal moisture sensor... left my phone in my pants pocket during a shower, and it was pretty damp when I pulled it out.... I'm not sure how easy those are to trip though. I assume this would result in a deductible charge though?
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Cosmetic damage such as a corner scruff is not covered, not even with a deductible. Just something you have to live with. As for moisture sensor you can check it yourself by looking at your battery.
It's very difficult to damage your device with air moisture. I take my device into the shower multiple times per week and lay it on the edge of the tub on a wash rag to listen to music while I shower. I keep a Trident Aegis case on it (all ports covered). Had it since October and when I opened it to upgrade my cameras the internal indicators were still pristine.
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Wasn't wondering so much about returning it FOR the damage as I was about returning it WITH the damage.
As for internal indicator: Is it white by default? Mine has little red X's on it, though the battery sensor is blank.
Can't you just say you lost it?
1) TEP DOES cover water exposure. I know from experience and it was posted on here by sprint tecs.
2) If your phone is damaged and your going to turn it you might as well say you lost it. You will have to pay the same either way, but you get to keep your old one for parts.
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1) TEP DOES cover water exposure. I know from experience and it was posted on here by sprint tecs.
2) If your phone is damaged and your going to turn it you might as well say you lost it. You will have to pay the same either way, but you get to keep your old one for parts.
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As a Sprint Repair tech i can answer this for ya
1) TEP does cover the water damage but it through assurion for a claim and a deductable of $100.
2) If it's an inhouse exchange you can get it done for free by bringing in your old device, we order a "new" one and then trade you for your damaged one. However if your going to claim lost or stolen that chalks it back upto having the assurion company involved again for the $100 deductable. Hope this helps and if you have anyother questions about it you can shoot me a PM
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That link is a video that I filmed with my amaze. I made it to prove to a guy that sold me the digitizer from ebay that I didnt damage it during installation. Basically, I installed the digitizer assembly last week, and I noticed the dead spot when texting a friend, and everytime that I try to type thw S or E key, a W would pop up, and also, while in recovery, I cant select any options that appear in the spot that is, in this video, a horizontal line where the day of the week is displayed on my weather widget in the lock screen.
I informed the guy of this problem, and he offered me $50 partial refund (it cost me $150) or if I can remove the assembly without damaging it, he will exchange it. Here is the problem, if I do damage it in the slightest, not only will he not warranty it out, but I would have to just throw my phone in the trash, because $300 is too much money to pay for just the screen. So I told him that I cant take the chance of removing it if I will be penalized for damaging a defective screen. So I was thinking about sending him that link to show him that the screen is good, the amoled isnt pierced, and the ribbon isnt damaged. I mean, I would know if I damaged the assembly, because I installed it myself, besides, unless he is accusing me of damaging this digitizer/amoled assembly with psychic powers professor x style, he has to know that he is just discouraging me to pursue a refund/exchange. I even offered to send him my phone, so that he can see for himself that its defective, yet not physically damaged before its removed. If he damages it during removal, atleast he will know that it was originally defective when I recieved it, before I ever installed it.
This is doing the same thing that happened to a friend of mine when he didnt line up the lcd to the digitizer, and I paid so much for this assembly for the very comfort of knowing that it was done right. He still insist that he tested that screen before he shipped it (he claims that all digitizer assemblies are tested before being shipped on his ebay page), but from watching the video, atleast in my opinion, its pretty obvious that something is wrong here. I opened a case with ebay, but until june third, I cant escalate the case to ebay, and it says that I should try to work it out by ourselves, but he is stalling and discouraging me. I think this is all bs man. So if anyone has any advice on how to get this situation resolved, please chime in. I am stuck at a stalemate now. Plus, I need my phone fixed. Thanks.
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That link is a video that I filmed with my amaze. I made it to prove to a guy that sold me the digitizer from ebay that I didnt damage it during installation. Basically, I installed the digitizer assembly last week, and I noticed the dead spot when texting a friend, and everytime that I try to type thw S or E key, a W would pop up, and also, while in recovery, I cant select any options that appear in the spot that is, in this video, a horizontal line where the day of the week is displayed on my weather widget in the lock screen.
I informed the guy of this problem, and he offered me $50 partial refund (it cost me $150) or if I can remove the assembly without damaging it, he will exchange it. Here is the problem, if I do damage it in the slightest, not only will he not warranty it out, but I would have to just throw my phone in the trash, because $300 is too much money to pay for just the screen. So I told him that I cant take the chance of removing it if I will be penalized for damaging a defective screen. So I was thinking about sending him that link to show him that the screen is good, the amoled isnt pierced, and the ribbon isnt damaged. I mean, I would know if I damaged the assembly, because I installed it myself, besides, unless he is accusing me of damaging this digitizer/amoled assembly with psychic powers professor x style, he has to know that he is just discouraging me to pursue a refund/exchange. I even offered to send him my phone, so that he can see for himself that its defective, yet not physically damaged before its removed. If he damages it during removal, atleast he will know that it was originally defective when I recieved it, before I ever installed it.
This is doing the same thing that happened to a friend of mine when he didnt line up the lcd to the digitizer, and I paid so much for this assembly for the very comfort of knowing that it was done right. He still insist that he tested that screen before he shipped it (he claims that all digitizer assemblies are tested before being shipped on his ebay page), but from watching the video, atleast in my opinion, its pretty obvious that something is wrong here. I opened a case with ebay, but until june third, I cant escalate the case to ebay, and it says that I should try to work it out by ourselves, but he is stalling and discouraging me. I think this is all bs man. So if anyone has any advice on how to get this situation resolved, please chime in. I am stuck at a stalemate now. Plus, I need my phone fixed. Thanks.
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It'll be your word against his on weather you damaged it during install. EBay will probably stay out of it if his feedback on eBay is overall positive.
Afraid it sounds to me like your best option is to remove it carefully and go for the exchange. Or take his 50 and cut your losses.
Sorry, but that is how I see it going. If he has a solid eBay reputation, they aren't gonna force him to do anything.
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It'll be your word against his on weather you damaged it during install. EBay will probably stay out of it if his feedback on eBay is overall positive.
Afraid it sounds to me like your best option is to remove it carefully and go for the exchange. Or take his 50 and cut your losses.
Sorry, but that is how I see it going. If he has a solid eBay reputation, they aren't gonna force him to do anything.
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Yea, thats why I went with him, because his reputation is 99.1%, where mine is a 100%, but I only purchased items, so its really hard to get negative feedback from purchasing anything on ebay when all of your purchases are the buy now type, and your payment isnt declined.
So, what if I do remove the display without damaging it, could I send it to someone at ebay first to independantly verify that its a defect and not physical damage? Do you think that my video will suffice for evidence that no physical damage has occured? I mean, look, the screen displays fine, which these are so sensitive that if I pierced the amoled display, it wouldnt light up right? Then the glass, its not cracked, not even a scratch, so surely no physical damage there. The third possibility that he listed was a torn ribbon, but again, as I am typing this up on the phone now, if I tore the ribbon by installing it, surely it would either work, or not work right? I am not an expert, so my only recourse is applying logic using common sense.
What bothers me is that he knows that I bought this assembly to permamently install it, its not like removing a sim card. I am going to write him back and link him to the video right now. I dont know what else to say.
Well, I hope it works out for you. I just can't see eBay doing anything about it....and if they were gonna, probably take forever.
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I live in the US.
http://return.phiconnect.com/id/ask_tronics
The guy told me that he doesnt want to separate the screen because if the cable rips, he cant prove that it wasnt already like that. I don't know, I just can't believe that there isn't a solution for this kind of problem. I need some objectivity here, am I just being paranoid? Its so easy to break these things, and if I damage it pulling it out, I wont get a refund or exchange, and if he would have really tested this thing, then I wouldnt have recieved a defective digitizer, and I would have no reason to remove it. Thats what really bothers me, I shouldn't even have this problem, but then again (might as well admit it before someone else says it), life isnt fair.
By the way, the guy said to process my refund or exchange by clicking on that link above, but ebay says not to respond if there is an offer to complete a transaction outside of ebay. I clicked on the link and saw the ebay logo, but the words are really fuzzy and I cant make em out. Anyone ever seen a page like this? Is this what the official ebay return page looks like? I cant get used to the screen like this, so if I have to accept the $50, then essentially I just lost $100 because I will have to buy another one, or sell this thing for $450 to be fiscally neutral.Thanks for answering back, I dont have much experience with ebay.
If it were me.. I would do a partial return and get the 50.
I don't know how hard it is to take the digitizer off but my past experience with ebay related purchases are never great. If you do manage to get it off without damaging it I'm sure he might even throw up the excuse that it is damaged on his end, and you will have to do an insurance claim through whoever did the shipment.
Speaking on the ebay site, that is definitely not a legit ebay affiliated site.
It's probably his own site use to track his sales and whatnot. I would say it's fine to use but dont put any personal information into it.
That first portal with item # and your ID seems ok to put in, but I wouldnt do any passwords or **** like that.
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If it were me.. I would do a partial return and get the 50.
I don't know how hard it is to take the digitizer off but my past experience with ebay related purchases are never great. If you do manage to get it off without damaging it I'm sure he might even throw up the excuse that it is damaged on his end, and you will have to do an insurance claim through whoever did the shipment.
Speaking on the ebay site, that is definitely not a legit ebay affiliated site.
It's probably his own site use to track his sales and whatnot. I would say it's fine to use but dont put any personal information into it.
That first portal with item # and your ID seems ok to put in, but I wouldnt do any passwords or **** like that.
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I have no clue how this guy has such a good reputation, I mean, does that short video clip not demonstrate that the glass doesnt have a single scratch, much less any cracks, the amoled display is perfect, so I obviously didnt pierce the display, and well, I dont think that the screen would show any sign of life if I tore the cable. He is pulling sneaky tricks to avoid refunding my money. I dont even want an exchange from him, because I don't want to deal with this type of situation. I have to wait until June 3rd to escalate to ebay, and I am going to stand my ground.
Hell, I really dont have a choice, it says right above his message that if I complete any transaction outside of ebay, I forfeit my buyer protection from ebay.
Thanks to everyone who responded to my thread, ebay sided with me, and told me to send the item back, and I would get a full refund, so I printed the shipping label that they supplied me, and I tried to be careful removing it, packed it up and shipped it last thursday, and just a few hours ago, it was delivered, ebay refunded the money to my prepaid credit card. So while I wait for the funds to post, im wondering, should I just keep the money, and just sell the phone without a screen, or is it worth ordering a digitizer from a different guy and try it again? You think that I could get any money for the motherboard and all of the pieces, or should I just put it back together and sell my htc amaze (what im using atm)? Thanks again for the advice!
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my thread, ebay sided with me, and told me to send the item back, and I would get a full refund, so I printed the shipping label that they supplied me, and I tried to be careful removing it, packed it up and shipped it last thursday, and just a few hours ago, it was delivered, ebay refunded the money to my prepaid credit card. So while I wait for the funds to post, im wondering, should I just keep the money, and just sell the phone without a screen, or is it worth ordering a digitizer from a different guy and try it again? You think that I could get any money for the motherboard and all of the pieces, or should I just put it back together and sell my htc amaze (what im using atm)? Thanks again for the advice!
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Me ... for the money I would look online for a used one in your local area, online classifieds, etc. At least then if there's an obvious problem you can see it before handing over cash. I don't know about your area but the S2's come up pretty regularly where I'm at in the $125-200 price range. Everyone is onto the S3/4 band wagon. With your current phone ... if nothing else you'll have a spare for parts.
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Me ... for the money I would look online for a used one in your local area, online classifieds, etc. At least then if there's an obvious problem you can see it before handing over cash. I don't know about your area but the S2's come up pretty regularly where I'm at in the $125-200 price range. Everyone is onto the S3/4 band wagon. With your current phone ... if nothing else you'll have a spare for parts.
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I live in jacksonville, florida, and typically s2's go for atleast $200-$225, sometimes even $275 if the screen and bezel don't have a bunch of scratches, so I have been looking online for those digitizers that include the midframe, and they are around $175, but it seems pike all that I have to do at this point is transfer the motherboard, front facing camera and earpiece/mic jack, and it would be mint. I just sanded down the bezel since it was all apart, and what a pita to get that chrome off, and make it all look uniform!
Btw, whats up with the led for the charging light? I never noticed it light up when I plugged it into charge. My htc amaze shines green when fully charged, and orange when charging. I already read that we dont have a notification led, but I see these tiny little round crystal looking dots next to the front facing camera, but no ribbon coming off of them, are those just samsung ricing out their phones like a civic with an exhuast tip?
I thought those were sensors.
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Told by LG Canada my phone had warranty coverage specifically for the bootlooping issue, and sent it to FutureTel in Ontario for what should have been a free repair (hell, I should have it back by now).
FutureTel dings me back with a $450 repair quote saying the warranty status is denied because of 'corrosion'. I had them to forward me the photo above.
What? No. I'm the kind of person that keeps my phone is a ****ing ziploc baggie outside of the home - there is no way this phone saw any moisture outside of what is normally in room air. No steamy bathrooms even. I photographed the moisture indicator being white and untouched, immediately prior to sending it in.
1. how does corrosion occur without moisture stickers showing moisture?
2. can corrosion not occur for reasons other than user damage/exposure to external moisture? Don't batteries leak sometimes? I've found corrosion inside electronics remote controllers on the contacts for the AA batteries and that had nothing to do with user damage or external moisture.
3. Isn't corrosion on the opposite end of the motherboard from the CPU (the photo is showing near the usb port) very unlikely to be causing bootloops where the phone shuts down due to processing stress of booting up the OS?
4. they repair the bootloops under warranty by replacing the entire motherboard anyways. I feel like this is them refusing to repair my car's engine because they found a bit of rust near the gas cap. are they just trying to weasel money out of me for what should be a free repair?
5. arggg
that's the problem, your board could get moisture from your washed hands, sweat, trapped moisture between a case,
I had the same thing happened to me, the moisture stickers are still white but the area by the USB had some corrosion, sent in for warranty and was told a new board is required at 600$.
i think in the future i will try only get phones with some water protective grade or nano coating because very easy for the board to get wet and an easy way for them to avoid responsibilities.
I had two phones denied warranty coverage in the past 2 weeks because of this same crap. I recommend sending an email to the law firm that originally engaged with LG here:
www[dot]girardgibbs[dot]com/lg-g4-bootloop-class-action-lawsuit
It seems to me like LG is trying to deny as many warranty claims as possible. If there are enough reports of this, I think we may get another lawsuit against LG.
I just received a similar letter from LG, denying warranty for being a 'tampered device' with a 'fake backcover'. Now, while I did replace the back cover (I broke the camera lens); I fail to see how that affects the required repair, which is a motherboard replacement.
They claim that it is no longer covered under the 'original limited warranty'; but the original warranty period is over anyway, the only warranty remaining is for the bootloop. They want $356 to do the repair; I paid $430 for the phone originally.
LG certainly appears to be trying to deny as many of these as they can.
I’m going to call them and complain; maybe see if Google is better about honoring the warranty. But I don’t really want to buy the phone again when it will just bootloop again sooner or later.