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Is anyone using the international version of the Note 2 (Which I gather has the model number N7100) on T-mobile in the US? I am only interested in makign sure HSPA+ "4G" speeds will work for me.
In case originating country matters, I am looking to import from India.
The 3g speed will not work on T-mobile only edge. I am using At&t and I am having hspa+.
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kojaraty said:
The 3g speed will not work on T-mobile only edge. I am using At&t and I am having hspa+.
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Have you tried using it? The 7100 specs show support for 2100 band o 3G and wikipedia says T-Mobile runs on 1700/2100 for 3G. Do both bands need to be supported for it to work?
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Have you tried using it? The 7100 specs show support for 2100 band o 3G and wikipedia says T-Mobile runs on 1700/2100 for 3G. Do both bands need to be supported for it to work?
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Yes, TMo US uses a split AWS band 1700/2100 for 3G and needs both to work.
However, in some cities TMo has refarmed some spectrum at 1900MHz for 3G use, and if you are lucky enough to be in one, you would get 3G.
Regards,
Dave
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Have you tried using it? The 7100 specs show support for 2100 band o 3G and wikipedia says T-Mobile runs on 1700/2100 for 3G. Do both bands need to be supported for it to work?
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For t-mobile USA, their HSPA+ network (or 4G you called) use AWS band, which refers to 1700/2100. The international version N7100 is UMTS/HSPA 800/850/1900/2100. This N7100 is missing the t-mobile USA magic number 1700. So you will not get their HSPA+ speed.
However, with recent t-mobile project on refarming their PCS1900 frequency in the US, the N7100 will work on HSPA+ network, BUT not at current moment in all states. Only specific cities such as Las Vegas, NV will work.
T-mobile USA promised the PCS1900 band will fully operate by end of 2012, so i would say NO for now, but yes in year 2013.
It will depend on how long you would like to wait but t-mobile does have galaxy note 2 (model SGH-T889) which might start selling on October 24, 2012.
Side Note - October 24, 2012 is a big day for US people who want galaxy note 2 as this is the day Samsung Mobile Electronics USA makes for the US Launch events in New York City for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 for all 5 US major wireless carriers. :good::good::good::good::good:
foxmeister said:
Yes, TMo US uses a split AWS band 1700/2100 for 3G and needs both to work.
However, in some cities TMo has refarmed some spectrum at 1900MHz for 3G use, and if you are lucky enough to be in one, you would get 3G.
Regards,
Dave
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For t-mobile USA, their HSPA+ network (or 4G you called) use AWS band, which refers to 1700/2100. The international version N7100 is UMTS/HSPA 800/850/1900/2100. This N7100 is missing the t-mobile USA magic number 1700. So you will not get their HSPA+ speed.
However, with recent t-mobile project on refarming their PCS1900 frequency in the US, the N7100 will work on HSPA+ network, BUT not at current moment in all states. Only specific cities such as Las Vegas, NV will work.
T-mobile USA promised the PCS1900 band will fully operate by end of 2012, so i would say NO for now, but yes in year 2013.
It will depend on how long you would like to wait but t-mobile does have galaxy note 2 (model SGH-T889) which might start selling on October 24, 2012.
Side Note - October 24, 2012 is a big day for US people who want galaxy note 2 as this is the day Samsung Mobile Electronics USA makes for the US Launch events in New York City for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 for all 5 US major wireless carriers. :good::good::good::good::good:
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate the input. Gives me a better idea of what I am looking at. I spoke to T-Mobile and it looks like my area does not have 3G on 1900/2100 as yet. (Though a couple of towns close by seem to have gotten it recently).
I was looking at getting the phone quickly as I am stuck with a Nokia N9 with a cracked screen and need a new phone.
I really dislike the T-mobile branding on the phone. Are there any other issues like locked Bootloader or T-Mobile bloatware I should be worried about? And do they sell unlocked versions from day one?
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate the input. Gives me a better idea of what I am looking at. I spoke to T-Mobile and it looks like my area does not have 3G on 1900/2100 as yet. (Though a couple of towns close by seem to have gotten it recently).
I was looking at getting the phone quickly as I am stuck with a Nokia N9 with a cracked screen and need a new phone.
I really dislike the T-mobile branding on the phone. Are there any other issues like locked Bootloader or T-Mobile bloatware I should be worried about? And do they sell unlocked versions from day one?
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well, in my opinion i would say i will get the t-mobile branded t-mobile galaxy note II. Reason why is the FCC report for SGH-T899 shows it is LTE ready. N7100 is LTE capable, but you wont be able to use T-mobile LTE network when they finsihed deploying. Again, T-mobile LTE magic number is 700 and 1700 for their LTE band frequency. I am not exactly sure if N7100 has 700 mhz band, but if not, then it will be stuck in HSPA+ while others can enjoy the LTE speed.
Yes, SGH-T899 does have t-mobile bloatware, and bootloader might be unlocked but since you are in this forum, so i am sure great developers in this forum can get easily fixed.
They dun sell unlocked version, but if you are the t-mobile primary account holder, you can call them for the unlock code. They will email you unlock code and instruction with 48 hours.
Side Note - N7100 UMTS/HSPA max speed is 21Mbps. T-mobile branded SGH-T899 is 42.2Mbps max speed for HSPA+.
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Is anyone using the international version of the Note 2 (Which I gather has the model number N7100) on T-mobile in the US? I am only interested in makign sure HSPA+ "4G" speeds will work for me.
In case originating country matters, I am looking to import from India.
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I am currently using my GT-I9300 on T-Mobile's 1900 band in Las Vegas and i'm getting "ok" speeds of about 4-6mbps down and 1mbps up in certain areas and at certain times. For example during night time i get that speed but throughout the day i get 2-4 down and 1 up. It's ok, not that great...not awful either but it works. I'm honestly tired of having a beast phone with a crap internet connection. Take the bad with the good if you can.
I'm a little confused. I thought (and was pretty sure) N7100 does not support 4G LTE.
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pvc104 said:
Is anyone using the international version of the Note 2 (Which I gather has the model number N7100) on T-mobile in the US? I am only interested in makign sure HSPA+ "4G" speeds will work for me.
In case originating country matters, I am looking to import from India.
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Hi, I am.
I live in the DC area and usually get h+. Only problem is that when I am moving around and going into an area that hasn't been refarmed, I pass to edge...
It got so annoying that I bought a nexus 4 and started using that, which always worked on h+ seamlessly.
Too bad I got tired of it after two weeks and went back to the note2! I'm hoping that tmobile will improve the areas it covers with h+...
EDGE only
njfpolyr6 said:
For t-mobile USA, their HSPA+ network (or 4G you called) use AWS band, which refers to 1700/2100. The international version N7100 is UMTS/HSPA 800/850/1900/2100. This N7100 is missing the t-mobile USA magic number 1700. So you will not get their HSPA+ speed.
However, with recent t-mobile project on refarming their PCS1900 frequency in the US, the N7100 will work on HSPA+ network, BUT not at current moment in all states. Only specific cities such as Las Vegas, NV will work.
T-mobile USA promised the PCS1900 band will fully operate by end of 2012, so i would say NO for now, but yes in year 2013.
It will depend on how long you would like to wait but t-mobile does have galaxy note 2 (model SGH-T889) which might start selling on October 24, 2012.
Side Note - October 24, 2012 is a big day for US people who want galaxy note 2 as this is the day Samsung Mobile Electronics USA makes for the US Launch events in New York City for Samsung Galaxy Note 2 for all 5 US major wireless carriers. :good::good::good::good::good:
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I wish this was true..I have a Galaxy Note II GT-N7105T:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 2100 - N7105
4G Network LTE 800 / 900 / 1800 / 2600 - N7105
I live in an area in Las Vegas where 1900 is supposedly refarmed but I am only still getting EDGE.
[Q] Using T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 on AT&T's LTE (Will It Work if I do the Following?)
Can't you flash an AT&T firmware on a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 2 handset to get the necessary AT&T LTE Frequencies since the LTE radios on both AT&T's and T-Mobile's Note 2's are the exact same? Or is unlocking the Note 2 via T-Mobile more than enough to take advantage of AT&T's LTE Network?
Tread carefully, I'm currently trying to get my phone out of a rather nasty bootloop/corrupt IMEI situation after trying just that earlier today.
But I did get it to work, even pulled 35 Mbps on a speedtest.
Things went to hell after trying to revert back to the T889V modem. (In case I needed the AWS HSPA, for proof of concept and also warranty purposes).
so our phone's LTE modem is compatible with AT&T LTE bands? sweet.
^^^ Did an LTE status show up when you ran the Speedtest; this was with an AT&T Sim, right? ?
^^^ Did an LTE status show up when you ran the Speedtest; this was with an AT&T Sim, right? ?
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Tread carefully, I'm currently trying to get my phone out of a rather nasty bootloop/corrupt IMEI situation after trying just that earlier today.
But I did get it to work, even pulled 35 Mbps on a speedtest.
Things went to hell after trying to revert back to the T889V modem. (In case I needed the AWS HSPA, for proof of concept and also warranty purposes).
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Virgin Mobile Canada LTE SIM (previously confirmed working in an Galaxy S III), and yes the LTE icon showed up immediately, Speedtest says LTE too, and the speeds are way beyond what I had with HSPA in the same location.
Doesn't AT&T's LTE run on different frequencies; so will T-Mobile's Note 2 match with AT&T LTE Frequencies after flashing to AT&T's Firmware?
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Virgin Mobile Canada LTE SIM (previously confirmed working in an Galaxy S III), and yes the LTE icon showed up immediately, Speedtest says LTE too, and the speeds are way beyond what I had with HSPA in the same location.
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Doesn't AT&T's LTE run on different frequencies; so will T-Mobile's Note 2 match with AT&T LTE Frequencies after flashing to AT&T's Firmware?
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Tmobile's T889 supports LTE on AWS and 700 (band 17).
AT&T's i317 supports LTE on AWS, 700 (band 17) and also on 850 and 1900 (band 2).
So yes, our phone has the ability to work on SOME of AT&T's LTE network, but not all of it; it will just depend on which frequencies they're using in your area. I believe AWS and 700 are new for AT&T, so they're probably fewer and more between at the moment, whereas their current network is mostly 1900 and 850. Not sure what kind of upgrade they have to do to switch their old HSPA 1900 towers to LTE support.
Silly question, so is a tmobile note 2 capable of handling AT&T's LTE network on the 850 and 1900 bands; is this something controlled by software, or a hardware limitation, I thought the Qualcomm radios on the AT&T variant and tmobile variant were the same.
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Tmobile's T889 supports LTE on AWS and 700 (band 17).
AT&T's i317 supports LTE on AWS, 700 (band 17) and also on 850 and 1900 (band 2).
So yes, our phone has the ability to work on SOME of AT&T's LTE network, but not all of it; it will just depend on which frequencies they're using in your area. I believe AWS and 700 are new for AT&T, so they're probably fewer and more between at the moment, whereas their current network is mostly 1900 and 850. Not sure what kind of upgrade they have to do to switch their old HSPA 1900 towers to LTE support.
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Hey Guys,
Not sure where to ask at this point, but I know that there is a Verizon forum for the S4, but this is more T-Mobile inclined question.
My mom was given an S4 at her job from Verizon but I convinced her to give it to me since I wanted it and I gave her my Tmobile Note 2.
I put my sim card into the Verizon S4 and configured the APN setting so now im getting faster data speeds with the Verizon S4 than I was with my Tmobile Note 2. So everything works but the phone is in Global mode, which I dont really care at this point.
My question is though, how can I get the Verizon S4 to connect to the Tmobile signal cel-fi booster that I have. I have no service at my job so therefore I obtained one of the boosters offered by Tmobile, works great with my Note 2, but the S4 does not recognize the cel-fi booster.
Please advise...
I guessing the cell fi thing is for tmobile phone only. I'm sure tmobile don't want just anyone to use their products.
It's probably a firmware deal and not the SIM that recognized the cell fi.
☞ Sent from here☜???
Yes, I definitely understand that, but I am using a TMobile sim card, logged into Tmobile towers, using Tmobile 4G LTE network, but the hardware/firmware is Verizon, so that is why I am asking if it is doable to get this working? Perhaps if flashing a rom or something?
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Yes, I definitely understand that, but I am using a TMobile sim card, logged into Tmobile towers, using Tmobile 4G LTE network, but the hardware/firmware is Verizon, so that is why I am asking if it is doable to get this working? Perhaps if flashing a rom or something?
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Could it be a hardware issue? Tmobile special band which does noy jave in the verizon phone?
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I don tknow, thats why im asking you guys lol
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I don tknow, thats why im asking you guys lol
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Your best bet is to call T Mobile tech support and ask them. You've got a really obsscure question that probably has to deal with the frequencies the 2 devices communicate on that no one here has probably ever dealt with. T Mobile is going to be the quickest way to get this answer.
The T-Mobile cel-fi operates at the 1700MHz aws frequencies. According to this thread they are not enabled by default on the Verizon galaxy s4. So that's why it's not picking up the signal from the cel-fi.
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Cel-Fi RS1 vs RS2
elesbb said:
The T-Mobile cel-fi operates at the 1700MHz aws frequencies. According to this thread they are not enabled by default on the Verizon galaxy s4. So that's why it's not picking up the signal from the cel-fi.
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Guys,
I work for Cel-Fi - it looks like you are correct.
The RS2 Cel-Fi (the latest one) will boost 2 bands: 1.9GHz (aka PCS, Band 2) + AWS
BUT the older RS1 (we dont sell it anymore) will only boost AWS and not Band 2...
Check here for details on the Bands 2 and 4, and here for definitions of the bands...
It looks like the S4 gets 1900 band 2 (specs S4 for T-Mobile UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE)
Let us know which Cel-Fi you have...
Regards,
Laurent
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Guys,
I work for Cel-Fi - it looks like you are correct.
The RS2 Cel-Fi (the latest one) will boost 2 bands: 1.9GHz (aka PCS, Band 2) + AWS
BUT the older RS1 (we dont sell it anymore) will only boost AWS and not Band 2...
Check here for details on the Bands 2 and 4, and here for definitions of the bands...
It looks like the S4 gets 1900 band 2 (specs S4 for T-Mobile UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE)
Let us know which Cel-Fi you have...
Regards,
Laurent
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I have the RS1 (older one) got it for 90 bucks on ebay
Works great!
And since you work for Cel-Fi, does the RS2 model boost the LTE signal for T-Mobile or not? From what i am reading, it does not.
Sorry for my ignorance but how is the Verizon Galaxy S4 able to connect to T Mobile let alone LTE? Is Verizon S4 a pentaband phone? I think my knowledge is outdated but I was under the impression that Verizon uses CDMA
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Sorry for my ignorance but how is the Verizon Galaxy S4 able to connect to T Mobile let alone LTE? Is Verizon S4 a pentaband phone? I think my knowledge is outdated but I was under the impression that Verizon uses CDMA
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They do, it switches to global mode (GSM) when you insert a non-verizon sim.. Most CDMA smartphones have this capability nowadays, which they did not before.. Verizon is the only carrier I know that does not lock the gsm radio on their phones, I think Sprint's phones are sim locked
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I'll sell the new cell-fi
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This thread is for those who bought T mobile 910Ts and are using them on ATT with working LTE and Custom Recovery. I thought t would be nice to have a centralized thread for non ATT devices being used on the ATT Carrier
Any issues, Rom Comments, should be posted as well. Include your phone and ROM in your Sig,
I received my T Mobile 910T from a seller at Swappa.com It was rooted and Rommed with FireKat V4 (I have since flashed V5) and see no reason to switch Roms.
However, The phone I received was not unlocked. I used cellunlocker.net for the code and it worked perfectly
allowing me to use my four year old ATT SIM from my N7100 Note 2 (even though the Costco Cellular Kiosk gave me a new SIM card free before my phone came)
I called AT&T and gave them the IMEI and they provisioned me for LTE even though the phone shows up as a flip phone on their site. . LTE is weak around here but the phone does indicate LTE when it's available. I paid $700 for the phone . There are less expensive ones available for those who don;t want to deal with T Mobile and a 40 day plan.
The phone uses TWRP or PHILZ Recovery and flashing roms is no different than it has been since the first ODIN version was used to flash a recovery TAR file. I prefer TWRP
I have no confidence in developers finding a way around the ATT bootloader lock nor the incentive to make it work like an international device anytime soon if ever. The only alternative for me was to get a developer Note 4 with Verizon. My wife runs an ATT S5 and does not need root so switching carriers would have been a non starter since we both are able to use 4G LTE
Thanks to soraxd:
General T mobile 910T Knowledge
AT&T Network
2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE : 850, 1900
3G UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s : 850 (Band 5), 1900 (Band 2)
4G LTE : 700 Block B (Band 17), 1700 AWS (Band 4), 1900 PCS (Band 2), 2300 WCS (Band 30)
T-Mobile Note 4 SMN910T
CDMA Data ‐ 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
2G CDMA : CDMA 800, USPCS 1900;
3G (CDMA) : 800/1900 MHz
4G (LTE Cat 4 150/50Mbps) :Band 2/4/5/12/17
AT&T Note 4 SMN910A
HSPA+/UMTS : 850/1900/2100MHz
GSM : 850/900/1800/1900MHz
LTE : Band 1/2/3/4/5/7/17
Samsung Sources:
T MOBILE http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910TZKETMB
AT&T http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910AZKEATT
FCC Sources:
AT&T http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=A3L&pc=SMN910A
T MOBILE http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=A3L&pc=SMN910T
ANOTHER Version of information regarding bands.
T-Mobile
Quad Band GSM; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850); LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17
AT&T
4G-LTE Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 20, 29
3G - UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
so what are bands 20 and 29? they're bands for carrier aggregation in the US and not international support.
I would not get too hung up on "compatibility" at this point. Many of us users are enjoying their 910T on AT&T without issue.
Known Issues using tmo N4 on at&t: no HD voice (supported by at&t as of 12/3/14)
cheapest off contract I've found new black: $699.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/t-mobil...lack/1015007.p?id=1219459037265&skuId=1015007
Cheapest used 910Ts I have found are on Swappa.com See button upper right on this page next to themer( I purchased mine from a user on Swappa)
http://swappa.com/buy/samsung-galaxy-note-4-tmobile
FROM Xda Member MIRCURY re Note 3 T mobile use on AT&T Much of the same applies
RE TMOBILE NOTE 3 ON ATT (Changing Note 3 to Note 4)
Much of the same applies
This is for people who have AT&T Service and are looking at the T-Mobile US Note 4 (N910T).
Why are people wanting to use a T-Mobile Note 4 on AT&T?
Because AT&T, much like Verizon, has tried to lock down their phones making it very difficult to use custom ROM's or apps that require root. AT&T and Tmobile's networks are similar. The N910T (Tmobile Note 4) is bootloader unlocked.
What does carrier/SIM locked mean? Is it the same as bootloader locked?
. US phones that operate on GSM networks require a SIM card. The carriers don't want you taking your phone to another carrier without fulfilling your contract so they lock your phone to themselves and the SIM cards they offer. Once you fulfill your contract or pay for the phone in full they should be willing to issue you an unlock code. Some carriers like T-mobile make you wait 40 days after you buy the device to unlock it. SIM unlocking the phone will allow you to put a SIM card from another carrier in the phone.
How can I carrier/SIM unlock my T-mobile Note 3 if T-mobile won't?
Several people have used cellunlocker.net including me. Select U.S.A. T-Mobile and N910T as your device. This also removes any region lock.
Will LTE work on AT&T?
Many people have confirmed that LTE works. There is no speed difference between an AT&T branded phone and the Note 4. Documents obtained from the FCC and also on T-Mobile's site say it supports the frequencies used by AT&T.
What APN settings will my Note 4 need for AT&T and MVNO's?
NAME: ATT Phone
APN: phone
MMSC: http://mmsc.mobile.att.net
MMS proxy: proxy.mobile.att.net
MMS port: 80
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
APN type: default,mms,supl,hipri
Then go to the home screen menu setting, more networks, mobile networks, network mode and change to LTE/WCDMA/GSM.
Video guide done on a S4. Credit: Sunny Nath
If you are using a Straight Talk SIM use this.
NAME: Straight Talk
APN: tfdata
PORT: 80
MMSC: http://mms-tf.net
MMS PROXY: mms3.tracfone.com
MMS PORT: 80
APN Type: default,mms,supl,agps,fota,dun,hipri,entitle
Then go to the home screen menu setting, more networks, mobile networks, network mode and change to LTE/WCDMA/GSM.
If you are using Aio Wireless from AT&T
Name: Aio Wireless
APN: ndo
Proxy: Not Set
Port: Not Set
Username: Not Set
Password: Not Set
Server: Not Set
MMSC: http://mmsc.aiowireless.net
MMS Proxy: proxy.aiowireless.net
MMS Port: 80
MCC: 310
MNC: 150
Authentication type: Not Set
APN type: default,mms,fota,hipri,supl
Then go to the home screen menu setting, more networks, mobile networks, network mode and change to LTE/WCDMA/GSM.
Root, custom recoveries, roms, and kernels for the T-mobile US Note 4
The T-Mobile Note 4 has a dev community that is growing rapidly. You have plenty of options to customize just about everything available on your Note 4 You can flash roms and kernels that give you extended run time and overclocking. We can even cut out the carriers and flash international roms with some modifications so we can have the latest and greatest directly from Samsung. Using custom recoveries such as TWRP will trip the KNOX counter.
For TWRP recovery is the recommended recovery for the N910T and is the first step to flashing roms and kernels.
TWRP 2.8.x.x TeamWin Recovery Project is available here http://teamw.in/project/twrp2
For CWM recovery use this.
The first step is to flash a CWM recovery . After that you can flash a pre-rooted ROM that is compatible with the N910T or flash SuperSU here.
You have to call ATT and give them the IMEI? I had a S5 (wife has it now) from TMO and its unlocked and we just popped her sim on it without calling ATT and she gets LTE with no issue. Just wondering if its something new.
I'm thinking of selling my ATT note 4 so I can buy a TMO Note 4 myself
IcOpRo said:
You have to call ATT and give them the IMEI?
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No, most of the time it just works. In a few cases as with the international Note 1, ATT had a range of imei's programmed wrong in their database so it showed up as a phone that doesn't get the correct data plan (missing LTE or HSPA data) like an old blackberry/flip phone. It took them a few weeks to correct it.
Most everyone coming from a phone that has LTE should just be able to plug in their sim card and go, never having to talk to ATT.
IcOpRo said:
You have to call ATT and give them the IMEI? I had a S5 (wife has it now) from TMO and its unlocked and we just popped her sim on it without calling ATT and she gets LTE with no issue. Just wondering if its something new.
I'm thinking of selling my ATT note 4 so I can buy a TMO Note 4 myself
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No you don't have to call. In fact the general conscious is; doing so will get your LTE disabled by at&t. I would absolutely not willingly report my attempts to circumvent at&t's restrictions.
if you're going to make a new tmo on at&t thread, change the op to be a collection of known knowledge. let me get you started.
T-Mobile
Quad Band GSM; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850); LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17
AT&T
4G-LTE Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 20, 29
3G - UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
so what are bands 20 and 29? they're international bands not implemented in the US.
Known Issues using tmo N4 on at&t: no HD voice (supported by at&t as of 12/3/14)
cheapest off contract I've found new black: $699.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/t-mobil...1015007&pid=1219459037265&pcatId=abcat0801002
cheapest off contract I've found new white: $749.99
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-4.html
Ya, I did a guide a while back here for the Note 3. I think a lot of people found it helpful with over 700 posts. It would be good for the note 4. Feel free to take anything from it you want.
IcOpRo said:
You have to call ATT and give them the IMEI? I had a S5 (wife has it now) from TMO and its unlocked and we just popped her sim on it without calling ATT and she gets LTE with no issue. Just wondering if its something new.
I'm thinking of selling my ATT note 4 so I can buy a TMO Note 4 myself
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I didn't HAVE to But I was running Wap. Cingualar APN on the Note 2 so they had to provision me to work with the Phone APN for LTE. I had an ATT S5 IMEI ready if the native APN did not work as well as a new SIM card.
I asked if there were any signal losses since it was not an ATT phone . He said "only thing I may miss are the ATT apps"'. I have a couple I use like Visual Voice mail. and the account app. Otherwise I am ok.
Did have to freeze the T mobile wifi over phone app s I was getting an error message everyday as that app tried to find T Mobile towers.
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so what are bands 20 and 29? they're international bands not implemented in the US.
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LTE band 20 is for ITU Region 1 EMEA (Europe Middle East and Africa roaming).
Band 29 is for carrier aggregation with band 4 in the US. (Band 29 is download only). It is implemented in a few large cities so far, Chicago being one. It is for capacity only; not speed. The n910t does not support it, but it's not a big deal at this point because it supports the normal LTE bands offering the same service.
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No you don't have to call. In fact the general conscious is; doing so will get your LTE disabled by at&t. I would absolutely not willingly report my attempts to circumvent at&t's restrictions.
if you're going to make a new tmo on at&t thread, change the op to be a collection of known knowledge. let me get you started.
T-Mobile
Quad Band GSM; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850); LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17
AT&T
4G-LTE Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 20, 29
3G - UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz
so what are bands 20 and 29? they're international bands not implemented in the US.
Known Issues using tmo N4 on at&t: no HD voice (supported by at&t as of 12/3/14)
cheapest off contract I've found new black: $699.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/t-mobil...1015007&pid=1219459037265&pcatId=abcat0801002
cheapest off contract I've found new white: $749.99
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-4.html
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Great Idea done.
Swappa is a good place for used devices as well. No Ebay fees and most are new resales. No need to deal with T Mobile at all
soraxd said:
No you don't have to call. In fact the general conscious is; doing so will get your LTE disabled by at&t. I would absolutely not willingly report my attempts to circumvent at&t's restrictions.
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I did not find this to be an issue, after I gave them my T mobile IMEI. There are no phone restrictions.
They did not try to take LTE away and they did not care where I got the phone. They only want the service. I asked about that and was told things have changed and they are not penalizing those who buy elsewhere. They don't sell phones for profit and make no interest on those NEXT Plans. I think they want to get out of the $299 two year contract phone business and just sell service. In my case if they did not make it work, I was ready to jump to a developer Phone on Verizon. So the tech really wanted to make it work and he did,
I am using the same LTE APN as an ATT Phone,
They just have to be able to provision them for LTE, If you are coming from an LTE device you likely would not have to do anything but put the SIM card in.
My phone does not show up as a Black berry. So far just a unknown flip phone. I am disappointed with LTE speeds here. When the phone says LTE I get about 10 down. Verizon does about 23. ATT LTE is very spotty here. I use my wifes ATT S5 as a reference. Her phone does not get better than mine.
I think if you give them the IMEI also the phone will register in the ATT website as a note 4, don't think it will show the picture of a flip phone.
This helps with insurance claims if something happens. If I'm not mistaken
Here's some more conflicting information I gathered. This information comes from more reliable sources however.
AT&T Network
2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE : 850, 1900
3G UMTS/HSPA+ 21Mbit/s : 850 (Band 5), 1900 (Band 2)
4G LTE : 700 Block B (Band 17), 1700 AWS (Band 4), 1900 PCS (Band 2), 2300 WCS (Band 30)
T-Mobile Note 4 SMN910T
CDMA Data ‐ 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
2G CDMA : CDMA 800, USPCS 1900;
3G (CDMA) : 800/1900 MHz
4G (LTE Cat 4 150/50Mbps) :Band 2/4/5/12/17
AT&T Note 4 SMN910A
HSPA+/UMTS : 850/1900/2100MHz
GSM : 850/900/1800/1900MHz
LTE : Band 1/2/3/4/5/7/17
Samsung Sources:
Samsung SM-N910TZKETMB
Samsung SM-N910AZKEATT
FCC Sources:
FCC A3L SMN910A
FCC A3L SMN910T
Not sure where band 30 came from. I posted this here in October and it should help clear things up. Samsung's marketing site doesn't always have the correct bands. The back of the boxes for the phones/FCC test reports however tend to have the correct info.
Also @tbong777 could you fix the band 29 info in the OP? It should say it's for carrier aggregation in the US and not international support. Thanks!
ATT Network Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 850, 1900 MHz
LTE: Band 4, 17 (29 for LTE-Advanced carrier aggregation with band 4)
Tmobile Network Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 1700, 1900 Mhz
LTE: Band 4, 12
Tmobile Note 4 N910T Supports:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS: Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850)
LTE: Band 4 (1700), Band 12 (700a), Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 3 (1800), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 8 (900), Band 17 (700bc)
IcOpRo said:
I think if you give them the IMEI also the phone will register in the ATT website as a note 4, don't think it will show the picture of a flip phone.
This helps with insurance claims if something happens. If I'm not mistaken
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I gave them my SM-910T IMEI and it shows up as a flip phone however I still show 4G LTE downloads where I can get LTE and the speed tests confirm its not standard 3G HSPA+
There have been mixed reviews on which IMEI to use. I got one off a demo S5 just in case and will keep it ready if I need it bit so far so good with my 4 year old SIM chip and 910T IMEI.
I would say if anyone is going to go this route you will have to be ready willing and able to buy a phone as warranty service would be doubtful. The good news is the phones are getting cheaper. For $200 I am keeping my International N7100 Note 2. Its worth more to me as a backup than the $200 I may get for it
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Not sure where band 30 came from. I posted this here in October and it should help clear things up. Samsung's marketing site doesn't always have the correct bands. The back of the boxes for the phones/FCC test reports however tend to have the correct info.
Also @tbong777 could you fix the band 29 info in the OP? It should say it's for carrier aggregation in the US and not international support. Thanks!
ATT Network Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 850, 1900 MHz
LTE: Band 4, 17 (29 for LTE-Advanced carrier aggregation with band 4)
Tmobile Network Uses:
GSM: 850, 1900 Mhz
HSPA/UMTS: 1700, 1900 Mhz
LTE: Band 4, 12
Tmobile Note 4 N910T Supports:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS: Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 4 (1700), Band 5 (850)
LTE: Band 4 (1700), Band 12 (700a), Band 1 (2100), Band 2 (1900), Band 3 (1800), Band 5 (850), Band 7 (2600), Band 8 (900), Band 17 (700bc)
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all of our information seems to conflict, where are you getting your information from?
soraxd said:
all of our information seems to conflict, where are you getting your information from?
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I noticed the same thing but the important thing to remember is our T Mobile phones are working on AT&T in LTE mode.
I could not sort out all the information. But as more people chime in with 910T devices , some of those questions will be answered, I was confused researching and looking at "bands" etc. but what sold me was the real time users who were not having issues. I bought mine knowing I could sell it if I was wrong.
The only way I was going to find out for sure is buying a phone and decided to try it out on my own because there was some conflicting information. I had had no issues using an old Note 2 SIM on wap.cingular even giving AT&T the IMEI of T Mobile's phone. After inputing the LTE APN and having the tech ensure the provision was correct I was happy I test it against a know ATT branded LTE device and can confirm it works.
So I would not get too hung up in drilling down into the bands and frequencies at this point. Many of us are using the devices on AT&T without issue. Those who are having issues may get some help here.
soraxd said:
all of our information seems to conflict, where are you getting your information from?
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LTE info:
LTE info including international band 20 roaming info is from here. It also show which blocks correspond with the bands.
Band 29 info is below. Fiercewireless is an telecom industry publication.
AT&T carrier aggregation plans/Mobile world Congress presentation here and here.
All LTE bands listed with their corresponding uplink/downlink frequencies. Some people only list the frequencies so this helps to find what band they are talking about.
UMTS info:
USA Cell frequencies in use here.
Phone info:
N910T info is from the back of the box and FCC reports.
Wonder if there is any way to flash a stock TMO Rom to the 910A? Like a dead phone flash.
Scotsman828 said:
Wonder if there is any way to flash a stock TMO Rom to the 910A? Like a dead phone flash.
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Brick. City. Don't try it. Sell your phone and buy a 910T on Swappa. I bricked two Captivates back in the day when we could send them off and get unbricked for $50. I don't think that is available any more.
I'd bet the TMO and ATT Note 4 main boards are identical. Just different rom version #s and bootloaders.
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I'd bet the TMO and ATT Note 4 main boards are identical. Just different rom version #s and bootloaders.
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T Mobile has a very active development section already. Some great ROMS and many more to come.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/development
Looking at these I had my hopes up:
Sprint SM-N900P
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 25 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
T-Mobile SM-N900T
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 17 700 MHz (tx and rx) Note this is also the band for AT&T but not Verizon which is band 13 700 MHz.
Only to learn from here (thanks to the search button) that this still was not possible. The only explanation that most have is that (despite what is listed above) CDMA wont work on a GSM phone. I'm posting here in hopes for a little elaboration. Doesn't sprint now give SIM cards to some phones so that we can register our N3 on there network using the above bands?
Also, I'm comfortable converting my phones hardware to CDMA if it saves me a few $$$. Is this a viable solution? I love my Note and cant justify a new phone when this one makes me so happy.
TIA -
It won't work no matter what you do. First reason is that CDMA and WCDMA are completely different. Sprint and Verizon use CDMA sim cards/RUIM in their devices. They wouldn't need cards at all but LTE is a fork of the GSM path. Our N900T can only use GSM sim cards and it doesn't contain the CDMA radio. Even if it did and we could unlock the radio, we have no way to program the MEID, MDN, MIN, PPP settings and profile settings into the phone for it to use Sprint's towers.
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On top of that, Sprint has a policy that, unless the phone is a Sprint branded phone (one that was never registered before but is designed for the Sprint Network or has only been activated on Sprint), they won't activate the phone to be used on their network (this includes any phone that was activated on Sprint, but was converted to Boost or Virgin Mobile). They are notorious for pulling this policy when someone wants to activate a Verizon phone on Sprint. Sometimes you could get someone at a store (usually a tech) to activate it, but I heard it was usually at great risk to their job.
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It won't work no matter what you do. First reason is that CDMA and WCDMA are completely different. Sprint and Verizon use CDMA sim cards/RUIM in their devices. They wouldn't need cards at all but LTE is a fork of the GSM path. Our N900T can only use GSM sim cards and it doesn't contain the CDMA radio. Even if it did and we could unlock the radio, we have no way to program the MEID, MDN, MIN, PPP settings and profile settings into the phone for it to use Sprint's towers.
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tkirton said:
On top of that, Sprint has a policy that, unless the phone is a Sprint branded phone (one that was never registered before but is designed for the Sprint Network or has only been activated on Sprint), they won't activate the phone to be used on their network (this includes any phone that was activated on Sprint, but was converted to Boost or Virgin Mobile). They are notorious for pulling this policy when someone wants to activate a Verizon phone on Sprint. Sometimes you could get someone at a store (usually a tech) to activate it, but I heard it was usually at great risk to their job.
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I believe they actually just changed that policy. They just very recently started a "Being Your Own Phone" policy, but I'm not sure about what phones they allow. It seems like they would allow any that will work on their network.
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Well put guys, thanks!
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Oh, they did? Tells you how much I keep up with them after I left.
ludeawakening said:
I believe they actually just changed that policy. They just very recently started a "Being Your Own Phone" policy, but I'm not sure about what phones they allow. It seems like they would allow any that will work on their network.
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tkirton said:
Oh, they did? Tells you how much I keep up with them after I left.
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Yep... I just saw the commercial for it last week sometime. Verizon is about the only one left not doing it now.
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Sprint is now owned by T-mobile dunno much else tho