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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone knew what network modernization meant for us as phone buyers. I am really interested in picking up an S3, but want to continue to use my web2go/tzones plan. I was considering buying either an AT&T or international version and saw http://blog.t-mobile.com/2012/06/14/fast-progress-on-4g-network-modernization/ this article and was wondering the implications. Will the 1900 replace the 1700 in HSPA+? Does that mean phones that work on AT&T(1900/2100) will now work on Tmobile(1700/2100)?
Thanks for any info you guys can provide!

That is correct. Once the refarm is complete we will be able to use phones with the international att bands at full speeds on tmobile. 1700/2100 will be used for LTE
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I would not get the AT&T or International version just yet. It is quite likely that you will experience slow speeds due to lack of proper frequency support at this time. Eventually T-Mobile's HSPA will be moved over to the 1900 band, however, this is a transition, not a on/off type of thing. There will still be HSPA on 1700 bands for well over a year from now, probably more like two. I think it will be a mix of 1900/1700 bands for HSPA in a couple of years, with LTE in the 1700 band exclusively. So, if you get the AT&T version now, you should hope that your city or region is one of the first for the transition, and don't plan to have good support while traveling. If you are on T-Mobile, you will have to choose great HSPA support now with no LTE ever (T-Mobile version), or no HSPA support now, and maybe some mixed LTE and HSPA support down the road (AT&T version; no LTE on International version).
I would personally get the T-Mobile version if I were you. LTE is not going away, and there will be plenty of LTE phones on T-Mobile in a couple of years. But HSPA has great speeds now, and will still have decent speeds in a couple of years.

The T-Mobile version already supports HSPA+ over 1900 MHz..so it's ready if you're planning on using it on Tmobile.

Just when I thought about dumping T-Mobile, looks like they might be heading in the right direction.
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[Q] will the international note 2 work with lte in canada?

Hi Note lovers!
So I'm looking to get the international version of the note 2, apparently it has LTE on board but i was wondering what frequencies, because I was hoping to get it working on bell mobility in Canada. I know it will work with the HSPA networks and all so its not a big deal for me but if anyone knows about the lte bands on the phone and on bell that would be great!
happy hacking

tomdroid3 said:
Hi Note lovers!
So I'm looking to get the international version of the note 2, apparently it has LTE on board but i was wondering what frequencies, because I was hoping to get it working on bell mobility in Canada. I know it will work with the HSPA networks and all so its not a big deal for me but if anyone knows about the lte bands on the phone and on bell that would be great!
happy hacking
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2600mhz band is deployed for Bell/Rogers. Int'l version will have this band. However, the 2600mhz coverage is faster than the AWS LTE being mainly deployed by Bell/Rogers/TELUS, which could mean spotty coverage and poor building penetration of the signal.

Deliximus said:
2600mhz band is deployed for Bell/Rogers. Int'l version will have this band. However, the 2600mhz coverage is faster than the AWS LTE being mainly deployed by Bell/Rogers/TELUS, which could mean spotty coverage and poor building penetration of the signal.
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ahha thanks! so technically it will work but really depends on what spectrum they are using in my area?

Be aware the international n7100 that is being offered for pre orders does NOT have lte built in. The lte model (n7105) is coming later.
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What does this mean...?

when I go through the specs for the AT&T and Tmobile variants for the note 2, I come across a difference in the following
AT&T,
GSM Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Tmobile
Frequencies and Data Type GSM Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz UMTS: Band I ,band II, Band IV (Dual-band1700/2100 MHz), Band V
What does the dual band mean? Is it for Tmobiles 4G network?
I thought all the Note 2's in the US had the same LTE radio
please shed some light,
thanks

1700 MHz/2100 MHz UMTS (WCDMA) AWS is currently T-Mobile's 4G network.
T-Mobile will have LTE up and running sometime within next year (2013).
Yes T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 devices do have LTE. But it is now not activated. T-Mobile will activate the LTE within T-Mobile's Galaxy Note 2 when they get their LTE service up and running within your area.
How to activate the LTE and running on another carrier is a good question. This I get bits and pieces. But not a full step-by-step process yet.

The T-Mobile Note II is pentaband; it will work on AT&T and T-Mobile 3G/4G (not LTE though as of now). I think that's what you're getting at.

Product F(RED) said:
The T-Mobile Note II is pentaband; it will work on AT&T and T-Mobile 3G/4G (not LTE though as of now). I think that's what you're getting at.
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I believe that we can get the LTE up and running with other carriers. I know that I got LTE working on my GN2 (SGH-T889). We just need to learn how to get the LTE running with other carriers. That is really the question. When we figure that out then this might be able to be applied to other GN2 devices.

Tmobile hasnt turned on lte yet. From what i understand once they do our note 2's should be able to utilize it.

winlinmac001 said:
What does the dual band mean? Is it for Tmobiles 4G network?
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Tmobile uses 42.2 mbps dual channel hsdpa.
Afaik, At&t uses 21.1 mbps hsdpa.
Lte(long term evolution) is a different technology not yet active for Tmobile customers.
Real World, my friend with a Galaxy nexus on Tmobile network gets about 8mbps while I get 14mbps. Galaxy nexus has the 21.1mbps capable modem.

konceptz said:
Tmobile uses 42.2 mbps dual channel hsdpa.
Afaik, At&t uses 21.1 mbps hsdpa.
Lte(long term evolution) is a different technology not yet active for Tmobile customers.
Real World, my friend with a Galaxy nexus on Tmobile network gets about 8mbps while I get 14mbps. Galaxy nexus has the 21.1mbps capable modem.
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You're talking about something called DC-HSPA (Dual Channel/Carrier), which is basically what you said: Using 2 frequencies of HSPA(+) to achieve basically double the throughput.

Is it a hardware limitation (as in slightly modified Qualcomm LTE Chipset) in the AT&T Note 2 that 42mbps is not supported compared to T-Mobiles version? Or it is software / firmware-controlled?

winlinmac001 said:
Is it a hardware limitation (as in slightly modified Qualcomm LTE Chipset) in the AT&T Note 2 that 42mbps is not supported compared to T-Mobiles version? Or it is software / firmware-controlled?
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It could be software (on the modem level, which is low-level stuff and separate from the ROM); T-Mobile's Galaxy S II was basically AT&T's Skyrocket with LTE disabled. You could actually flash a T-Mobile S2's modem onto a Skyrocket to get it to work on T-Mobile frequencies (but you can't get LTE enabled on the T-Mobile S II as far as I know).

would you say the note 2 from verizon is any better since it also includes a CDMA radio? Also, though LTE only works in the upper 700 frequency, any change a modem update or firmware change will allow the verizon version to work on T-mobile or AT&T network?

winlinmac001 said:
would you say the note 2 from verizon is any better since it also includes a CDMA radio? Also, though LTE only works in the upper 700 frequency, any change a modem update or firmware change will allow the verizon version to work on T-mobile or AT&T network?
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No; CDMA is useless unless you're going to be using it on the carrier it came from. I'd say the T-Mobile version is the best (in terms of working with the most networks), then the AT&T version (because it has LTE), then the International version (because it's the AT&T version without LTE), and after that the Verizon one because Sprint are jerks because they use "embedded SIMs".

[Q] Should I get ATT or TMobile GS3

So I am looking to switch to T-Mobile from sprint and want to get the S3. I understand the T-Mobile GS3 works on HSPA+ and operates on the 1700 Band. I also see that the T-Mobile version does not have LTE. Now the ATT version operates on the 1900 Band and will only work on slower speeds until T-Mobile activates the 1900 Band here. Spoke to several reps and they state sometime this month. Will the ATT GS3 have the LTE that will work on T-Mobile when they activate it? So would it be better for me to get an ATT GS3 so that I have LTE when it becomes available? Thanks in advanced

mastercpt said:
So I am looking to switch to T-Mobile from sprint and want to get the S3. I understand the T-Mobile GS3 works on HSPA+ and operates on the 1700 Band. I also see that the T-Mobile version does not have LTE. Now the ATT version operates on the 1900 Band and will only work on slower speeds until T-Mobile activates the 1900 Band here. Spoke to several reps and they state sometime this month. Will the ATT GS3 have the LTE that will work on T-Mobile when they activate it? So would it be better for me to get an ATT GS3 so that I have LTE when it becomes available? Thanks in advanced
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I have Tmobile and it works ok, It depends on the service coverage cause where I live I don't get 4G on any carrier lol.

That's a tough question to answer. Is it a matter of want or need LTE on your mobile device?
Arguably, at&t has better service than t mobile. But since t mobile is still at the stage of refarming their antennas/towers, Tmo could be just the same as their counterpart after its done. I have t mobile and coverage has been excellent. Data speeds are speedy but not quite as fast as at&t's LTE.
On HSPA+, i get great to decent speeds that can get all of my mobile needs online. It would be a plus to have LTE but i don't need it.
Do you get what i trying to get at?
Sorry i had to write this quickly.
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mastercpt said:
So I am looking to switch to T-Mobile from sprint and want to get the S3. I understand the T-Mobile GS3 works on HSPA+ and operates on the 1700 Band. I also see that the T-Mobile version does not have LTE. Now the ATT version operates on the 1900 Band and will only work on slower speeds until T-Mobile activates the 1900 Band here. Spoke to several reps and they state sometime this month. Will the ATT GS3 have the LTE that will work on T-Mobile when they activate it? So would it be better for me to get an ATT GS3 so that I have LTE when it becomes available? Thanks in advanced
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I say go for the Tmobile S3. T-mobile's LTE rollout won't be for a long while, and even when it does become available we don't know if it uses the same LTE band as ATT. My guess is that it won't. Tmobile's HSPA+ is plenty fast where I live for all my needs. You will only get EDGE (2G) speeds with TMobile on the ATT version of the S3 until Tmobile refarms their network. But even if they do refarm where you live by the end of the month, the many other places will still only be covered with the 1700 spectrum.

S3 on Edge is a pointless phone. Even with the 1900 mhz bands rolling out, your data will be spotty at BEST. Even in NYC Manhattan, the 1900 mhz bands are probably 20% complete. Go with the TMO version and you won't regret it.

I get up to 25mbps I average about 7-12 who cares about LTE? Go with T-Mo its cheaper and you will get faster speeds. At my home I get faster data speeds than my baby mama on ATT with her HoX soon to be OG Note
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I also have the same dilemma.
If T-Mobile will use LTE on the same frequency as ATT currently does, won't using the ATT SGS3 future proof it for LTE on T-Mobile network?
Am I missing something or do these devices have same specs (except T-Mo having 1700) once 3G moves to 1900 on T-Mo?
OP, I suggest you test T-Mo's network for coverage and speed in your area. I will be doing the same.

Get the T-Mobile version if you value fast data speed.
Don't buy a phone and hoping that it will have the correct technology to work on a network that has not even start to build yet.
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LTE?!?!?!?!

Ok. I know their have been many threads regarding this, but I just read this. I'm lost
http://pressblue.com/t-mobile-samsu...e-t-mobile-launches-network/2779/sandy-meyers
Two of the highest-end devices on T-Mobile’s smartphone roster, the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy S3, will support 4G LTE connectivity once the “Magenta carrier” launches its 4G LTE network later on in the month in Las Vegas, Nev. And the news is apparently official, as this confirmation comes from T-Mobile chief technological officer Neville Ray.
According to Ray, T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network is all ready to launch a few weeks from now, and will be initially launched in Las Vegas, same city where the 2013 Consumer Electronics Show is currently being held. Las Vegas also played an important part in T-Mobile’s previous history, being the first city to be covered by the carrier’s 3G HSPA+ 42 network. And although the launch is expected to take place sometime this month, Ray did not give any specific date for the network to become operational in Las Vegas.
This is also the first time T-Mobile has confirmed anything about the devices that would run on 4G LTE – when the Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy S3 were released months ago, T-Mobile did not specify whether they would eventually support the connectivity standard. In fact, the T-Mobile Galaxy S3 shipped with a dual-core Snapdragon S4 processor – a concession made for all American variants due to poor LTE performance on quad-core processors at the time – despite not having a 4G network at the time. But apparently, the device did come with 4G LTE support after all, as confirmed by T-Mobile at CES 2013. The T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 didn’t ship with any LTE support, but a software patch will make it compatible once the network is up.

wellsey1126 said:
Ok. I know their have been many threads regarding this, but I just read this. I'm lost
http://pressblue.com/t-mobile-samsu...e-t-mobile-launches-network/2779/sandy-meyers
Two of the highest-end devices on T-Mobile’s smartphone roster, the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy S3, will support 4G LTE connectivity once the “Magenta carrier” launches its 4G LTE network later on in the month in Las Vegas, Nev. And the news is apparently official, as this confirmation comes from T-Mobile chief technological officer Neville Ray.
According to Ray, T-Mobile’s 4G LTE network is all ready to launch a few weeks from now, and will be initially launched in Las Vegas, same city where the 2013 Consumer Electronics Show is currently being held. Las Vegas also played an important part in T-Mobile’s previous history, being the first city to be covered by the carrier’s 3G HSPA+ 42 network. And although the launch is expected to take place sometime this month, Ray did not give any specific date for the network to become operational in Las Vegas.
This is also the first time T-Mobile has confirmed anything about the devices that would run on 4G LTE – when the Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy S3 were released months ago, T-Mobile did not specify whether they would eventually support the connectivity standard. In fact, the T-Mobile Galaxy S3 shipped with a dual-core Snapdragon S4 processor – a concession made for all American variants due to poor LTE performance on quad-core processors at the time – despite not having a 4G network at the time. But apparently, the device did come with 4G LTE support after all, as confirmed by T-Mobile at CES 2013. The T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 didn’t ship with any LTE support, but a software patch will make it compatible once the network is up.
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I've read the threads and I guess a definite answer is tough to find but now, I actually think maybe just maybe the Korean style of the s3 may be the new one...a quad core exynos one with 2 GB ram and lte like the note 2. Hopefully a soft update does the trick. But I won't benefit. I have simple mobile and I doubt they'll get lte any time soon
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2090216
The current T999 will not get LTE, only the new T999L will.
I think a very interesting thing about the Galaxy S3 is the AT&T Variant (SGH-I747). It contains the following bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz / AWS 1700 / 2100
This means if you are in a refarmed area, you could pick up T-Mobile's HSPA PCS 1900 network, and once they turn on their LTE network on the AWS 1700/2100 band, you would get 4G LTE.

Funny how our SGH-T999 has WCDMA/LTE yet everyone says our phone arnt LTE supported...until I hear it from the horses mouth (T-mobile) anything is possible.
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chrishoyt2012 said:
Funny how our SGH-T999 has WCDMA/LTE yet everyone says our phone arnt LTE supported...until I hear it from the horses mouth (T-mobile) anything is possible.
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Check the link in the post above yours. Its from T-Mobile saying they are releasing a new S3 with LTE.
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chrishoyt2012 said:
Funny how our SGH-T999 has WCDMA/LTE yet everyone says our phone arnt LTE supported...until I hear it from the horses mouth (T-mobile) anything is possible.
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The reason those settings are there is simply so Samsung only has to release one base firmware update. Instead of creating one for the T-Mobile version, one for the att version, etc etc. My galaxy s 2 has that setting as well. Don't mean its getting lte support.
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