I have an xda ii with a wm6.1 rom and i am using vista on my laptop.
I noticed my main hard drive on my mobile (if thats what you call it) was getting full. I have installed most of my programs on the RAM and STORAGE card though...
So I thought maybe I should reinstall the ROM and install them again but making sure ALL programs are installed on the storage card which is 2GB.
First of all thank you to everyone that helps... I appreciate the amount of posts you get one here.
The problem I am having is that I am running out of space to install a few programs even though I have a 2GB card and installing the programs on my card. Not the main device.
I tried restarting from scratch and went into boot mode - shows serial - then connected to the cradle and it shows USB but windows device manager (i have vista) does not show it as connected. If i reset and load wm6.1 it connects str8 away. Couldn't work out why but decided to go back to uninstalling the programs i had installed.
So I then uninstalled all programs so there is space, then reinstalled all onto storage card. The storage card is 2GB.
Even though I'm installin them on my storage card everytime i install a program (not many) a little bit of the main hard drive is used. Now it seems the hard drive is full. So basically im not not able to install a program i need cos its full.
How can I use my 2GB storage card or work around this I have been installing to it but it still is taking up space on my main device harddrive.
Is there a way to uninstall programs that came with the rom?
In short, I have space on my card but seems not on my main server. Can I work around this?>
Whats going on?
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Hello,
I would like to keep the maximum amount of RAM memory free for device use. If I install all my applications on an MicroSD card, (thus keeping the device's RAM clear), will this optimize performance?
Thanks
You can't install apps into RAM. You have 3 types of memory on your device and you seem to be mixing them up and causing confusion.
1. Program memory - this is RAM.
2. Storage memory - this is flash based memory on your device. The ROM is stored here.
3. SD card - self explanatory.
For best performance, you should install everything into program memory.
ohyeahar said:
For best performance, you should install everything into program memory.
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Don't you mean storage memory (i.e. ROM)?
You can't install programs in RAM. Program information is stored in RAM when the application is running thats the only time RAM is used. Therefore to conserve RAM make sure you close any active programs after using them. You could disable TouchFlo 3D and get a big chunk of RAM back.
On my Mogul I run a program called "Oxios Hibernate" that helps free up RAM from the crap that grabs it as it stays on over time. It helps a lot, but I still need reboots. On the TP2, it would probably work wonderfully.
Thanks for the reply, but the answer is still unclear.
Where should I install applications for best device performance?
Well, you can't install a programm onto the RAM. The RAM is used when you load a programm.
For example, imagine that you install a programm named "Text Editor". You can choose to install it on phone memory (Storage Memory) or on the SD card.
That does not uses RAM. But when you launch (use) the programm, then you use some RAM to launch it. Well, and then, when you close the programm, it does free the RAM used to launch it (or should be).
It's the same in a computer: you can install a game, which require some hard disk space. But to launch the game, you will generaly need some RAM.
So, you can choose to install a programm on SD card or on storage memory. The difference is that, when you want to launch the programm, access will be a little faster on storage memory than on SD card. But once the programm is launched, there isn't any difference any more.
Well, now, to keep RAM, you just need to minimise the programms runnings (for example, installing a screensaver will uses some RAM, as this programm will always be loaded). To do so:
- Don't install to many programms that keeps running all the time (like S2P)
- You can tweak your system and choose not to launch some services (like direct push, which uses 10MB RAM)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert.
And sorry for my poor english
Thanks for the detailed explanation, but the question is still open. To make sure we are on the same wave, the device has:
ROM - 512 MB
RAM - 288 (including 32 MB in the 'baseband' according to specs, whatever that is)
SD Slot - Storage up to 32 GB with a Micro SD card I would add
With this information, where should I install applications for best performance? It seems the 512 MB ROM is probably read-only (the operating system should sit here). So if I do not have an SD card, am I forced to install applications in the RAM? I assume I cannot install my applications in the ROM ("Read Only Memory"). My understanding is that the RAM should be kept as clear as possible to allow good performance, and thus programs should not be installed in it? What exactly is meant by "storage memory", the RAM or the ROM?
I am very familiar with PC concepts, but this one has confused me.
Thank you in advance
mail_e36 said:
Thanks for the detailed explanation, but the question is still open. To make sure we are on the same wave, the device has:
ROM - 512 MB
RAM - 288 (including 32 MB in the 'baseband' according to specs, whatever that is)
SD Slot - Storage up to 32 GB with a Micro SD card I would add
With this information, where should I install applications for best performance? It seems the 512 MB ROM is probably read-only (the operating system should sit here). So if I do not have an SD card, am I forced to install applications in the RAM? I assume I cannot install my applications in the ROM ("Read Only Memory"). My understanding is that the RAM should be kept as clear as possible to allow good performance, and thus programs should not be installed in it? What exactly is meant by "storage memory", the RAM or the ROM?
I am very familiar with PC concepts, but this one has confused me.
Thank you in advance
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ROM is like your hard drive on your computer. Also the hard drive on a phone. You can't install anything on your ram.
You install it on your SD card !!
So it looks like the ROM in this device isn't actually Read Only Memory like one would think?
jayr04 said:
ROM is like your hard drive on your computer. Also the hard drive on a phone. You can't install anything on your ram.
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Isn't it ROM, as in meaning it's non-volatile. i.e. if your battery dies, you are not going to loose what's stored in it...
Here's how I do things:
Essential utils like task managers, anything that runs in the background etc, MUST go onto the phone and not a card.
Anything I'd want to have regardless of the SD card inserted also goes on the phone. Media players and so on.
Games and large apps go on the SD where possible.
I also have another class: "apps that don't need installed". Some apps you can copy the install directory and just run the exe after a hard-reset. Only works with one that don't modify the registry much. I've figured out which ones of mine work OK and they sit on a special folder on the SD with shortcuts also set up on the SD card. Just copy the shortcuts into the Start Menu after a hard reset and you are set.
However, the TP2 has a huge internal storage area compared to my previous WM phones. Running out isn't going to be an issue.
sakshaug007 said:
Don't you mean storage memory (i.e. ROM)?
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Haha, you're right! I guess I got confused myself as well!
Anyway, install everything into storage memory!
mail_e36 said:
So it looks like the ROM in this device isn't actually Read Only Memory like one would think?
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it is ROM,
there are several tyopes of ROM. the ROM we are talking about is EEPROM (can be erased and programmed electrically - using software) or some say EEPROM is Flash Memory.
so,
ROM in the device is Read Only Memory (non volatile)
your SD CARD is also a type of ROM (flash memory) but an external one. So, ROM is basically where you store your data permanently and RAM only temporer when that data is in use (open, edited, etc).
Thank you to everyone who responded to my post, you were a lot of help.
it seems these phones dont actually follow the traditional fetch decode execute cycle that a computer does. instead of a hdd there is a eeprom or flash chip in the phone.. the rest of the cycle seems the same. it will be quicker running things from the device as appose to the storage card as the "busses" are faster however if you have loads of apps open yes device will slow down as the ram will be full everything thats happening goes in to the ram before it goes in to the cpu to be crunched. so you can fill your device with apps and it will nto make it slower, it will only be slower if you leave everything running using up all the ram. sorry naff reply lol
and use cleanRAm by htc adics its great!
ROM isn't the correct term to use anymore (it was back before WM5 where the ROM really WAS read only) (unless you were flashing) but is still used anyways. It is a flash chip that has partitions. After the OS and radio and everything is stored in, one more partition is made with all the space left over and that is where you install programs and save things to. RAM is never used to install programs (it was before WM5, but no longer).
use HtcAddicts cleanRam - is works verry well
Nice post. thanks for the file. So if you want to compare your phone's hardware to the equal function of hardware on your PC: ROM is like your internal hard drive; RAM is like your memory; and the storage card is like an external hard drive. Though keep in mind they really aren't the same, just performing comparative functions.
So if you want your phone to respond more quickly, you want as much free RAM as possible. The open applications and all the processes that are running are in the RAM. Limit those and your phone will respond better (by closing unused applications, running the previously mentioned program, etc.). How full your ROM or your storage card are do not effect performance (to my knowledge). However, applications installed on your ROM will be accessed more quickly than if installed on the storage card. So install all the programs you want on the ROM, there should be plenty of space. Put all your big files like pics and music on the storage card.
Hi There XDA,
I'm not really into Gingerbread, I know it's new and everything, but it's not for me, however I really really like and enjoy using Froyo 2.2.
So the other day I downloaded OpenDesire (the Latest Build) and I noticed something very worrying, despite the fact nothing had been installed my phone was only showing 108MB of Internal Memory remaining.
After installing all of the GApps, this was reduced to around 68MB which seems quite a lot of Memory to be took up by such small applications? Then after insalling everything I normally use, and then moving everything possible except Facebook to the SDCard, I get about 11MB of space remaining, i've tried clearing caches and everything, I even installed a different ROM.
I installed DeFrost the latest edition, and the problem is exactly the same, even starting off with 108 however DeFrost also tells you the total space and that says 148, so after installing why don't I have this much?
Would appreciate any help, thanks.
I don't know, I have always wondered this. It might be the same thing as actual storage where when you buy say a hard drive, it might say 500GB but you only get like 487GB or what ever it is. That is down to the conversion between binary and decimal but that is another story. If you have tried wiping and stuff then I can only say I don't know. You could shift supported apps to your SD card or use A2SD script or something.
I've been trying out the MIUI 2.10.12 Jelly Bean v2.7 ROM on my HTC Desire, and while I would like to keep it, because I like the instantly applied themes etc., it's proving to be rather buggy on my Desire. I got it to try to solve the problem of running out of internal memory, but despite trying to apply the dt a2sd via terminal emulator app (and adb shell on the PC), as well as moving apps to SD via Titanium/Links2SD, I'm still getting "out of internal storage space" errors every time I turn around.
So my top priority for a Desire ROM is 1) I need for it to emulate internal memory on the SD card (so I can make internal memory larger), or at least take up little space on internal memory, so that it does not run out quicly.
2) Stability. (MIUI keeps randomly rebooting on various occasions, Google Voice/Search does not work, GO keyboard crashes, etc. MIUI is also a bit sluggish in Settings menus).
Cyanoid said:
I've been trying out the MIUI 2.10.12 Jelly Bean v2.7 ROM on my HTC Desire, and while I would like to keep it, because I like the instantly applied themes etc., it's proving to be rather buggy on my Desire. I got it to try to solve the problem of running out of internal memory, but despite trying to apply the dt a2sd via terminal emulator app (and adb shell on the PC), as well as moving apps to SD via Titanium/Links2SD, I'm still getting "out of internal storage space" errors every time I turn around.
So my top priority for a Desire ROM is 1) I need for it to emulate internal memory on the SD card (so I can make internal memory larger), or at least take up little space on internal memory, so that it does not run out quicly.
2) Stability. (MIUI keeps randomly rebooting on various occasions, Google Voice/Search does not work, GO keyboard crashes, etc. MIUI is also a bit sluggish in Settings menus).
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I have tried the following and by far they seem to be the most stable ones according to their Android version.
For GingerBread : MildWild 5.0
For ICS: sandvold's roms
For JellyBean : JellyNow
For increasing the internal memory, partition your memory card (I tried EXT 3 but my phone got stuck on boot loop, EXT 2 works like a charm for me) then install the ap2sdx script.
Peace,
Ibn Yusuf
If you like miui, go with miui xj rom, if you like sense, go with cooldroid rom.
If you want 100% stable ROM you have to use something like Oxygen ROM. In case you want JB ROM I'm using vijendrahs' CM10 ROM v2.2 and it seems quite stable. But of course there are some issues...
Hello,
So i have Gnexus (maguro), it starts to lag and becomes unusable because of fstrim issues, then i installed LagFix in did fine.
But not the most best results, it would if there are less than 2 gb free space avialable.
So i thought completely formatting the storage would fix it, but copying via MTP isnt a chance(slow, some files doesnt show up), is there any smooth way to quickly copy&backup storage ?
Or Fix fstrim problem forever
sounds like you need a jelly bean rom. If I'm correct I believe that put trim support in Jelly Bean. Someone else that knows more about it might chime in.
UP
Nah, I had same issues on 4.3, even 4.4 seems to do the same thing
brutalsam said:
Hello,
So i have Gnexus (maguro), it starts to lag and becomes unusable because of fstrim issues, then i installed LagFix in did fine.
But not the most best results, it would if there are less than 2 gb free space avialable.
So i thought completely formatting the storage would fix it, but copying via MTP isnt a chance(slow, some files doesnt show up), is there any smooth way to quickly copy&backup storage ?
Or Fix fstrim problem forever
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Filezilla on your computer. FTPserver on your phone:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lutey.FTPServer&hl=en
Transfer files over your WiFi network. Its fast and easy.
USB-stick, OTG adaptor and TWRP.