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Who owns our phones?

I came across this article. in my opinion if i bought my phone i should be allowed to do whatever I want... anyone disagree? Glad I unlocked my tmo sensation for my daughter on at&t before this went into effect..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013_n_2585502.html

iIl still be unlocking thou haha what are the chances of them finding out? Downloading movies and music is illegal and? ..people still do it xD crappy laws...
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What I guess they are getting at with the law is yes you own the hardware but do not own the software that runs on it. Only license it from the manufacturer and there for should not be allowed to change the software you don't own.
This law is also only effecting phones purchased after october and you can still unlock your phone you just need to have the carrier unlock it is all.
What is supposedly illegal is hacking the software to unlock it (like they can catch you) or getting a unlock code from a online provider other then your carrier / manufacturer.
I think it is dumb though. I bet Apple had a hand it in. Getting upset people were getting the carrier version of the iPhone and paying less and hacking to unlock it rather then paying a insane amount for the unlocked version.

bx10r said:
I came across this article. in my opinion if i bought my phone i should be allowed to do whatever I want... anyone disagree? Glad I unlocked my tmo sensation for my daughter on at&t before this went into effect..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013_n_2585502.html
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Lol I bought a gun... Doesn't mean I can shoot whomever/wherever I want... Bought a car that goes 150 but can't drive that fast... Bought a computer but can't hack gov't websites...
Just because I buy something doesnt mean I can do whatever I want with it. Ppl are really making too big of a deal about this unlocking bit...
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GalaxyS3Guy said:
Lol I bought a gun... Doesn't mean I can shoot whomever/wherever I want... Bought a car that goes 150 but can't drive that fast... Bought a computer but can't hack gov't websites...
Just because I buy something doesnt mean I can do whatever I want with it. Ppl are really making too big of a deal about this unlocking bit...
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All of those affect other people. Murder/assault is committing an act of violence against somebody without cause (can't claim self defense). Excessive speeding has great potential to kill other people on the road when you either slam into them because they are going normal speed vs your double speed or you lose control of your vehicle and slam into another. "Hacking" into somebody else's computer is an violates their right to privacy. That computer is their property and they have a right to be safe and secure when it comes to their property and belongings.
I understand your point, but YOU own your phone (assuming you paid for it and its not leased). You flashing your phone for another carrier and installing a custom ROM and using free software does not violate anybody else's rights to anything.
By your reckoning, do you think the government should be able to enforce a law for example that forces men to sit down to urinate? Either you are your own person and own your property or you don't.

Let's say a person with bad intentions gets an unlocked phone... With numerous different sim cards running through it from different carriers... You mean to tell me no harm can be done with that? It doesn't have potential to obstruct police investigations, locate kidnapped people, etc?
If you purchase an american flag, can you legally burn it? Hell can u leave it out in a rain storm? If you have cash that u earned, did u know its illegal to rip, burn, or even write on it? But its yours right?
Maybe it doesn't, but that's how I look at it. And everyone that has a phone already can unlock it if they want... Its just for new buyers which is why I don't see what the big deal is. How many people really unlock their phones? Less than 1% of cell phone users? Idk just think its a big fuss about a falling sky over nothing.
And BTW... I may not HAVE to sit/stand to urinate... But there are restrictions of where I urinate (if that's relevant)
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Apparently a couple of people are confused regarding ownership. Yes, you own your phone. No, you do not own the software or firmware on the phone. You own a licence to use the software and firmware. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but that is how it works.
Hope that helps.

Sooo....if android is open source...i can flash another custom rom and unlocked it...no broken laws there right? lol

Did you pay full retail or was your phone subsidized?

Also to be clear. It is not breaking this law to root the phone or install custom software. That is still the same.
The law is only concerning the carrier lock on the sim card.
So you can flash as many roms and stuff as you want as that won't effect sim locks. But if you modify the firmware to remove the sim card lock then that would be a violation of this law.

Jose0726 said:
Sooo....if android is open source...i can flash another custom rom and unlocked it...no broken laws there right? lol
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If you unlock it without the carriers approval you are breaking the law. If somehow you can write all the firmware, drivers, modems, etc from scratch along with a ROM that does not contain any lines of code from the carrier you may be able to go that route.
Being how most of us have Tmobile it's a non-issue anyway because T-mobile is very friendly regarding unlocking.

Fisrt we own the phone no one owns the softwear its open source, qualcomm has relased the source code for there drivers the only prob is the federal government is full of crooks but thats not here nor there. So anways why cant we unlock what is ours and open to us you tell me the carriers or the makers of the phone

Its just a bunch of stupid laws... all they want is new ways to keep spying on peoples privacy...example like wt. FB...

Fck the crooked system. It's my phone.
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This is an equivalence of purchasing digital media. The consumer may have purchased the digital media but they have no right to distribute the content unless they have permission from the distributor(s). Unlocking a phone (illegally) means the consumer is distributing the phone without the carrier's consistency.
I still signed the petition that's against the passing of the law anyways.
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Pretty much trying to cut out the middle men in order to squeeze out the more money they can from Those online places or doing it yourself way. for example my girl has an iphone I would like to bring her to tmobile since she doesn't have att anymore. If I was a casual user I would be scared of "breaking" the law and trying to unlock online so I'm out of luck. Hence forcing to buy a phone from them. pretty soon they are going to force us buying warranty on tvs and such for our "sake" .
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And stating only 1% of people unlock their phones is pretty ridiculous especially without any basis.
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I agree with the post that states tmobile is friendly for unlocking...i got my unlock code for my sensation in less than a day....but whatever...say what thay say.

GalaxyS3Guy said:
If you purchase an american flag, can you legally burn it? Hell can u leave it out in a rain storm? If you have cash that u earned, did u know its illegal to rip, burn, or even write on it? But its yours right?
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IMO you can burn it if you want, but don't be an idiot and display yourself burning it to the public lol.

daxecutioner24 said:
Pretty much trying to cut out the middle men in order to squeeze out the more money they can from Those online places or doing it yourself way. for example my girl has an iphone I would like to bring her to tmobile since she doesn't have att anymore. If I was a casual user I would be scared of "breaking" the law and trying to unlock online so I'm out of luck. Hence forcing to buy a phone from them. pretty soon they are going to force us buying warranty on tvs and such for our "sake" .
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And stating only 1% of people unlock their phones is pretty ridiculous especially without any basis.
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Since Obama-Care was upheld the government can now force you to buy anything they feel like. Hold onto your wallet and next time around be sure to vote for those that prefer freedom and allow you the ability to purchase what you want instead of being ordered to do so.

jcbofkc said:
Since Obama-Care was upheld the government can now force you to buy anything they feel like. Hold onto your wallet and next time around be sure to vote for those that prefer freedom and allow you the ability to purchase what you want instead of being ordered to do so.
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Yeah Ok... Cool story... XDA probably isn't the place for your uneducated political propaganda. Let's stick to phone talk
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SIM Card question/help

Hi, I recently rooted my phone and got cyanogenmod's ROM integrated... I never did any of this before and
I've been up the past few days/nights studying up on all this information. Can any of you help me figure out how to make free phone calls on my phone? Isn't that what we can do on jailbroken phones? BTW I am on a 2 year contract if that matters, which it may.
I can't make outgoing calls but I can get incoming, is there a way to bypass anything to make outgoing calls?​

Yeah, it's called downloading an app called "Text Plus" and watching their stupid ads for cell minutes. Wi-Fi only.

DexedrineXR said:
Yeah, it's called downloading an app called "Text Plus" and watching their stupid ads for cell minutes. Wi-Fi only.
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Rather than being funny (lol) can you just tell me if jailbroken phones can call for free without paying a network provider? Or was that just a big lie to get everyones attention.

codyphoenix said:
Rather than being funny (lol) can you just tell me if jailbroken phones can call for free without paying a network provider? Or was that just a big lie to get everyones attention.
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You pay for what you get.... If you don't pay for it you don't get the service. Unfortunately....

DexedrineXR said:
You pay for what you get.... If you don't pay for it you don't get the service. Unfortunately....
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Ah okay, that's not a big deal. Thanks for the answers, Dex. Is there a thread about the benefits of jailbreaking a phone then? Cos so far I've found a few things worthwhile.

Benefits of Rooting your phone:
In summary, you have access to files on your phone that you didn't have before. You can change boot animations and let apps have authority to change the "main" portions of your phone. Most people usually install ROMs on their phones. It's a customized OS for phones. Rooting is the first step you take to having a plethora of customizations on your phone. That's the importance of ROMs. On the other hand you can have this unlimited customization unlocked through the Xposed module which can change your phone without the need of a ROM. The best things about ROMs though is if you have an awesome developer, he'll keep you updated to the most recent software that some OEMs can't keep up with.
Some cool Articles that Explain it:
AndroidAuthority
LifeHacker

[Q] Blocking guarddad off on my phone

Hey guy, so my mom is super protective and all this junk and im 16 years old and a guy im not that bad of a kid so theres no need for this plus a total invasion of privacy. They bought this thing its called guarddad for 70$ ! and they dont know i know about it. but it sees all text incoming and out, if i take a pic from my camera they can see it all call logs internet and all this crazy ****. i want it off or blocked, i want my phone on total lockdown with full privacy i have a sprint Samsung Galaxy S3 rooted. Please help

I had to Google it to find it, it's an interesting program. This isn't going to be what you want to hear, but it seems she is looking out for you. Moms do that, all through life. With all of the horrible things online she is worried about you. My suggestion, instead of going behind her back, is to talk with her about it. I don't think you will get the help you were expecting from this place. XDA is for development, not hacking.

metalfan78 said:
I had to Google it to find it, it's an interesting program. This isn't going to be what you want to hear, but it seems she is looking out for you. Moms do that, all through life. With all of the horrible things online she is worried about you. My suggestion, instead of going behind her back, is to talk with her about it. I'm don't think you will get the help you were expecting from this place. XDA is for development, not hacking.
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metalfan78 said:
I had to Google it to find it, it's an interesting program. This isn't going to be what you want to hear, but it seems she is looking out for you. Moms do that, all through life. With all of the horrible things online she is worried about you. My suggestion, instead of going behind her back, is to talk with her about it. I don't think you will get the help you were expecting from this place. XDA is for development, not hacking.
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That's sounds a little over-protective to me. Even texts I understand but pictures? That's a little invasive. Anyway, think u could provide a link? I couldn't find what he was referring to.

It's actually called DadGuard. It is invasive, that's why I suggested he needs to talk to them about it.

eric13742 said:
Hey guy, so my mom is super protective and all this junk and im 16 years old and a guy im not that bad of a kid so theres no need for this plus a total invasion of privacy. They bought this thing its called guarddad for 70$ ! and they dont know i know about it. but it sees all text incoming and out, if i take a pic from my camera they can see it all call logs internet and all this crazy ****. i want it off or blocked, i want my phone on total lockdown with full privacy i have a sprint Samsung Galaxy S3 rooted. Please help
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Not saying talking to your parents is a bad idea. But if you want to go the behind their back route download this and flash in custom recovery. Dadguard will be nonexistent after

If I found out my kid removed whatever tracker I put on her phone, that would be the end of that device.

You work fast billard, lol.

Kevets said:
If I found out my kid removed whatever tracker I put on her phone, that would be the end of that device.
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As a parent worried about his kids I agree completely. My kids know I look. My bill my device. I let you use it.
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shes way to protective as you like to call it. im 16 i can take care of myself. is she wants to see my phone fine, but going through it like that behind my back is way to much. she has my passwords as well for most things. i cant change it or my phone is taken away. she wouldnt want me doing that to her same for me. i really need some help with this

eric13742 said:
shes way to protective as you like to call it. im 16 i can take care of myself. is she wants to see my phone fine, but going through it like that behind my back is way to much. she has my passwords as well for most things. i cant change it or my phone is taken away. she wouldnt want me doing that to her same for me. i really need some help with this
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Download the file I posted above and flash it. Problem solved

Wow. This app extremely blurs the line between overprotectiveness and outright 24/7 monitoring.
But won't they notice when they stop receiving the logs of everything you do? I mean, even antivirus programs will notify you once the online service detects that you haven't used the app in several days and such. I'm fairly sure this app would have some sort of safeguard like that.

CNexus said:
Wow. This app extremely blurs the line between overprotectiveness and outright 24/7 monitoring.
But won't they notice when they stop receiving the logs of everything you do? I mean, even antivirus programs will notify you once the online service detects that you haven't used the app in several days and such. I'm fairly sure this app would have some sort of safeguard like that.
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I was thinking the same thing with regards to both parts of this post. However, I hope this brat teenager does flash this "fix" and get in trouble. If he thinks he is so wise to the ways of the world and is so capable of taking care of himself, he can feel free to move out/get kicked out and then:
Pay rent/mortgage
Pay utilities/electric/water/etc.
Pay for groceries
Pay for car/insurance
Pay for TV/internet/etc.
Cook/clean/do laundry for himself
And oh yeah, presumably attend high school every day.
What an ungrateful little punk. He needs to understand that parents have the best interests of their kids at heart, and parents have already gone through teenage life themselves.

Android 5.0L Allows Bloatware Removal !!!!

This is a big deal for me, if we never receive root.
Let the discussion start.
http://bgr.com/2014/10/29/android-5-0-lollipop-feature/

OK, so this is pretty exciting information, i just hope this isnt something the carriers can disable in some way.
That being said, I do see one major downfall and that is, IMO, this might cause carriers to push the update slower, or even omit some devices that would normally get updated to make sure their apps are getting used on as many devices as possible.

Cant wait!!!

If true, it's a game changer. But why do I get the feeling carriers will still find a way to install crapware/bloatware that we can't remove.

LiquidHonesty said:
If true, it's a game changer. But why do I get the feeling carriers will still find a way to install crapware/bloatware that we can't remove.
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cloudraker said:
OK, so this is pretty exciting information, i just hope this isnt something the carriers can disable in some way.
That being said, I do see one major downfall and that is, IMO, this might cause carriers to push the update slower, or even omit some devices that would normally get updated to make sure their apps are getting used on as many devices as possible.
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Indeed, I am skeptical....but if GOOGLE who makes ANDROID says it will be done. I believe it.

pr0cl1v1ty said:
This is a big deal for me, if we never receive root.
Let the discussion start.
http://bgr.com/2014/10/29/android-5-0-lollipop-feature/
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Damn, I agree! The main reason I wanted Root (well two reasons) was for bloatware removal/freeze, and for backing up apps/app data (especially games!)....Well now with most apps doing the cloud-save thing, if Lollipop really does allow us to remove both carrier AND oem bloatware, I won't be as desperate to Root....although IF Root ever comes to our ATT Note 4, I'll still Root, just won't be as desperately needed. I'd still like to put a custom ROM on my Note4 someday, but I can wait a year or so.....after I'm out of warranty

Lets look at this like the millions upon millions of people who own a smartphone and never, ever figure out even the basics on how to use it. You know the ones, the idiots who buy the iPhone for an outrageous price, and don't even know how to use text messaging. (My mother ... I sent her a picture while on vacation of her grand children, then when I got home she handed me her phone and said "What did you do to my phone, it now has this thing on it" and I had to show her the message!) We see it all the time. People who don't even know that there is a calculator, or how to set up their email, or how to do anything other than Candy Crush on it...
The carriers can do whatever they want to those phones. Those people (and I would bet you are looking at 90% or more of smartphone owners) don't know how to uninstall an app, or don't bother to try. You could make the boatware uninstallable and the vast majority of people would still have it, and never know the difference. Up until recently the only people taking off bloatware were people like us who found a way... Root hasn't been this hard for very long, so their bloatware install numbers won't change much if we can uninstall without root.

boufa said:
lets look at this like the millions upon millions of people who own a smartphone and never, ever figure out even the basics on how to use it. You know the ones, the idiots who buy the iphone for an outrageous price, and don't even know how to use text messaging. (my mother ... I sent her a picture while on vacation of her grand children, then when i got home she handed me her phone and said "what did you do to my phone, it now has this thing on it" and i had to show her the message!) we see it all the time. People who don't even know that there is a calculator, or how to set up their email, or how to do anything other than candy crush on it...
The carriers can do whatever they want to those phones. Those people (and i would bet you are looking at 90% or more of smartphone owners) don't know how to uninstall an app, or don't bother to try. You could make the boatware uninstallable and the vast majority of people would still have it, and never know the difference. Up until recently the only people taking off bloatware were people like us who found a way... Root hasn't been this hard for very long, so their bloatware install numbers won't change much if we can uninstall without root.
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did you just call your mom stupid?

raiu said:
did you just call your mom stupid?
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Yes, for 2 reasons. Buying an iPhone and having absolutely no idea why she did it. I think people who are passionate about the iPhone an want one, more than anything else are delusional, but at least most of them can articulate why they want it, and many of them use it to its very limited potential. Then there is my mom, who got an iPhone because to her, thats was really the only phone they had at the store. Its falling for the advertising.
And the second reason... she released me into the wild to be a productive member of society... anyone with half a brain would have realized that it would be a key step in the collapse of modern civilization. :silly:

boufa said:
Yes, for 2 reasons. Buying an iPhone and having absolutely no idea why she did it. I think people who are passionate about the iPhone an want one, more than anything else are delusional, but at least most of them can articulate why they want it, and many of them use it to its very limited potential. Then there is my mom, who got an iPhone because to her, thats was really the only phone they had at the store. Its falling for the advertising.
And the second reason... she released me into the wild to be a productive member of society... anyone with half a brain would have realized that it would be a key step in the collapse of modern civilization. :silly:
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lol, im glad my mom bought an s3. I am also glad they have apps that allow me to remotely log into her phone while shes on it and fix issues she has.

raiu said:
lol, im glad my mom bought an s3. I am also glad they have apps that allow me to remotely log into her phone while shes on it and fix issues she has.
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What app is this??? I have never heard of it, and it would be extremely useful for my parents.
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....so their bloatware install numbers won't change much if we can uninstall without root.
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I am not sure if you understand that we don't care about those other 90%...we care about our 10% who is smart enough to utilize what we own.

pr0cl1v1ty said:
What app is this??? I have never heard of it, and it would be extremely useful for my parents.
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Tell them to download this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.quicksupport.market
Once that is installed they open it and leave it open, and you have to have this installed on a pc
http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index....TFrZF9HZKyUVHr6jEal4CROc1rOSRpZA_txoCWgXw_wcB
its totally free if you use it for personal use. You can see their device, transfer files, change settings. Its really cool!

raiu said:
Tell them to download this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.quicksupport.market
Once that is installed they open it and leave it open, and you have to have this installed on a pc
http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index....TFrZF9HZKyUVHr6jEal4CROc1rOSRpZA_txoCWgXw_wcB
its totally free if you use it for personal use. You can see their device, transfer files, change settings. Its really cool!
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OMG....awesome, thank you so much sir.

What's up with all the iPhone hate? Different strokes for different folks; no reason to bad mouth others for a difference in taste.

Well, seems the way around this is already out there. This will just continue to put these apps on like they currently do, and we still can't remove them. This will only be handy if they have their programs to be downloaded automatically from the play store.....which they probably won't, they'll keep them in the system.

LiquidHonesty said:
Well, seems the way around this is already out there. This will just continue to put these apps on like they currently do, and we still can't remove them. This will only be handy if they have their programs to be downloaded automatically from the play store.....which they probably won't, they'll keep them in the system.
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Any proof to this? Where are you getting this information from?

I hope this gives users the ability to remove these apps. Hell if Microsoft can pull it off so should Google. I have disabled over 20 apps on my AT&T Note 4 with the majority being carrier bloatware. Ridiculous.

pr0cl1v1ty said:
Any proof to this? Where are you getting this information from?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...r-crapware-automatically-which-is-good-maybe/

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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...r-crapware-automatically-which-is-good-maybe/
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This is only for phones that come with 5.0 on them. All phones upgraded from KitKat to 5.0 will not have this feature. Also these same updated phones will not have encryption as their default setting either.
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Throwing in the towel. Who's with me?

I keep getting the Note 4 910a (3x) hoping that the locked down everything won't bother me. It does... a lot.
My 14 day return ends on 1/16/15. I ordered the n910c yesterday, and expect it to arrive 1/13/15 at the latest. I did quite a bit of research, and found that the N910c/f/t should, in theory, work on AT&T with no issues. They seem to have all of the bands required. T-Mobile refuses to sell me a phone without signing up with them, so it came down to c and f. For those who don't know, C and F are almost the same with the exception of c having Exynos, and f having snapdragon. I was surprised that the exynos seems to support AT&T LTE. Anyway, I chose the 910c, because the exynos chip is supposed to be faster, and use less battery, and was cheaper. Plus there is a glimmer of hope that 64 bit will be unlocked on it once lollipop is released on it. I will come back here, and let you guys know how the switch went once I get my phone.
For those of you who choose to stay behind, I hope that you gain root, but I doubt it will happen since all of the devs seem to have moved on.

"Egocentric", I love posts like these, no one cares if you stay or you go, you contribute nothing as far as development to the device, no one will morn you or the other people like you. Leave and don't fill up the device thread with crap like this. To anyone else thinking of posting an, 'I'm leaving, follow me or stay with an unrooted phone forever', do us all a favor and choke on your phone... This phone performs fantastically as is, we are also able to do non root related adjustments to help with battery and so on. Buy a tablet and flash that to scratch the itch. /rant

thanitos said:
"Egocentric", I love posts like these, no one cares if you stay or you go, you contribute nothing as far as development to the device, no one will morn you or the other people like you. Leave and don't fill up the device thread with crap like this. To anyone else thinking of posting an, 'I'm leaving, follow me or stay with an unrooted phone forever', do us all a favor and choke on your phone... This phone performs fantastically as is, we are also able to do non root related adjustments to help with battery and so on. Buy a tablet and flash that to scratch the itch. /rant
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thanitos said:
"Egocentric", I love posts like these, no one cares if you stay or you go, you contribute nothing as far as development to the device, no one will morn you or the other people like you. Leave and don't fill up the device thread with crap like this. To anyone else thinking of posting an, 'I'm leaving, follow me or stay with an unrooted phone forever', do us all a favor and choke on your phone... This phone performs fantastically as is, we are also able to do non root related adjustments to help with battery and so on. Buy a tablet and flash that to scratch the itch. /rant
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"Jerk". Do you think that talking to people like that will get you some sort of XDA cred? Last I checked, the General forum for 910A wasn't very full at all. If anything, a new thread should be welcomed. The point of this was to not only express my distaste for a locked device, but to help point others towards a more open device. That is why I mentioned more than just the device I chose. I actually listed the 3 that I believe to be fully compatible with AT&T's network. I won't be choking on my new phone, and suggesting I do so, only makes you sound butt hurt, cuz you couldn't afford to buy one outright. So why don't you do us all a favor, and stop making your obvious envy more obvious, and stop wasting space on my thread.
To anyone else; I'll still report back to confirm that the N910C does in fact work on AT&T. I noticed my 910A is picking up 17. So I can't confirm 4 until I find an area.
The troll will pursue until the end of time.....

sireniankyle said:
"Jerk". Do you think that talking to people like that will get you some sort of XDA cred? Last I checked, the General forum for 910A wasn't very full at all. If anything, a new thread should be welcomed. The point of this was to not only express my distaste for a locked device, but to help point others towards a more open device. That is why I mentioned more than just the device I chose. I actually listed the 3 that I believe to be fully compatible with AT&T's network. I won't be choking on my new phone, and suggesting I do so, only makes you sound butt hurt, cuz you couldn't afford to buy one outright. So why don't you do us all a favor, and stop making your obvious envy more obvious, and stop wasting space on my thread.
To anyone else; I'll still report back to confirm that the N910C does in fact work on AT&T. I noticed my 910A is picking up 17. So I can't confirm 4 until I find an area.
The troll will pursue until the end of time.....
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I, for one, am kind of interested to see whether the N910C is working with ATT or not. What software are you using to see the bands in use?

bleuiko said:
I, for one, am kind of interested to see whether the N910C is working with ATT or not. What software are you using to see the bands in use?
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"LTE Discovery". Like I said, though, I can probably confirm lte band 17, but not 4 unless someone knows where I can find band 4 coverage in the Jefferson City, Missouri area.

Why note just buy a tmo from swappa or eBay, I picked up a bnib tmo note 4 on Friday for 600 off ebay

Who cares if your leaving. We don't want whiners anyways. Bye bye.
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Kinda wanted the Exynos variant. 600 is an amazing deal, though.
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Not whining. Merely want to use my expensive property however i choose to. I see you went a different route. Good luck with that.
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Well if i had the money, i would just buy a 910T and be done with it.

I didn't even know there was such a restricted version of this phone.
So thank you for the thread, it was interesting to see a users perspective and I hope you manage to get the version you want.
Regards,
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Yeah, no one cares if you leave. This post is just showing how much of a spoiled, impatient consumer you are. Carry on.

I don't have a problem with this guy's thread, it is extremely frustrating and he wants a place to vent about it.
I am still on the fence. My original decision was to go with the Nexus 6, but the complaint list on reddit about the software and hardware of that phone have turned me off. I love AT&T and have been with them for a long time, but I am considering switching to the Sprint Note 4, they have a much better deal than AT&T anyways.
For now I am going to continue to hold off until March to see if the price drops because I still love the Note 2 and am not in a hurry to upgrade. Since I really would like to stay with AT&T I have disabled all of my favorite xposed mods and am pretty much running stock 4.4.2 DN3. I think I could live without root on the Note 4, aside from that stupid ass AT&T logo in the top left of the screen. Highly annoying.

I'd just get a bad imei tmobile, unlock and use on AT&T.

tyiphius said:
I'd just get a bad imei tmobile, unlock and use on AT&T.
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If only it were that easy.

Until I can confirm, I found another thread reporting success in Ohio. Not sure what band they're on, though. Click Here

holywhitebread said:
If only it were that easy.
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No? Read something that they share the same imei database. But I've read of people getting getting it to work =/

tyiphius said:
No? Read something that they share the same imei database. But I've read of people getting getting it to work =/
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To my understanding, if the ESN is bad, it cannot be unlocked.

holywhitebread said:
To my understanding, if the ESN is bad, it cannot be unlocked.
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ESN and IMEI are different.
Once it's not used on the same network you should be able to do it.
So yes I can't get an unlock code via t-mobile but I can get it from an unlocking service online