I'm sure a lot development will be cross compatible but as I've seen and experienced on multiple other phones, including the NS and N1, there are certain things that are unique to particular models aside from the radio. Any speculation as to which version of the GN will likely receive the most support?
I don't know the ratio of US based developers vs European developers generally is but it would seem that with Verizon being the only officially named carrier at this point in the US that most devs here will be working on that version while other areas that will have GSM launches will see dev work in that direction. I'm hoping the GSM version gets a quick carrier release in the US or at least a proper domestic retailer (importing is both expensive and warranty is either a hassle or strictly unsupported).
Just wondering if there are any opinions on this, especially from developers.
It will end up on every carrier eventually.
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There will most definitely be more support for the GSM version, as it will be sold in the USA and the rest of the world. The LTE version will only be sold on Verizon in the USA.
If the G2/Desire Z combination is any indication, having thousands more people outside the US with almost the same phone as the T-mobile G2 has brought huge amounts of development to the platform.
But overall, FWIW the phones will be pretty darn similar, and the only difference should be the network stack required for Verizon's LTE network to be added into custom ROMs. There will be plenty of people on VZW with the GN to develop ROMs. It might just take a little extra time because VZW's official updates will no doubt be slower coming out.
martonikaj said:
There will most definitely be more support for the GSM version, as it will be sold in the USA and the rest of the world. The LTE version will only be sold on Verizon in the USA.
If the G2/Desire Z combination is any indication, having thousands more people outside the US with almost the same phone as the T-mobile G2 has brought huge amounts of development to the platform.
But overall, FWIW the phones will be pretty darn similar, and the only difference should be the network stack required for Verizon's LTE network to be added into custom ROMs. There will be plenty of people on VZW with the GN to develop ROMs. It might just take a little extra time because VZW's official updates will no doubt be slower coming out.
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What he said
i'm sure the same ROM will work on both model as it's in Nexus S and Nexus S 4G
the DEVelopers just need to include the extra reference/drivers into their kernels and/or ROMs
AllGamer said:
i'm sure the same ROM will work on both model as it's in Nexus S and Nexus S 4G
the DEVelopers just need to include the extra reference/drivers into their kernels and/or ROMs
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Or it could simply be an overlay setting when compiling. It's probably not that difficult and any decent roms will be based on source anyway.
I agree. ICS was intended to be platform independent. It'd be a large oversight if developers missed that.
At the end of the month i will be switching from sprint to Verizon.
I was wondering if there were any MAJOR developmental differences with rooting between the Sprint version of the nexus vs. the Verizon.
Though I will be switching to the Galaxy S3, I figure since this phone is on both sprint and Verizon it would be a good measure to see if verizon has locked their version of the phone down, i know in the past they have put more restriction on their devices compared to other carriers.
I just think there's more development for the Verizon version. Would be nice if you could switch carriers without having to switch phones
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Only difference is a tad bit of bloatware on Verizon.
Like MyVerizon.apk and a couple others.
And yeah, literally every GSM rom is on Toro, as far as I know.
Only a handful are on ToroPlus (Sprint).
Linked in my sig (or stickied above) you can see that the root method is exactly the same (aside from a different CWM.img).
Ok great, just wanted to make sure Verizon wasn't locking down their phones. Sounds like a plan. I can't wait for the gs III to drop
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As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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Iirc att doesn't even support 42mbps, that's Tmobiles area. We have LTE, which is better. No FM radio is on all US versions. Blame the FCC
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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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but.... it's not just ATT.
Some people just have weird personal vendettas against some cell companies saying they're "gimping" their phones. There is usually a pretty good reason. Like everyone was freaking over the s3 only getting a dual core in the US but it was because the chipsets didn't support LTE yet. Is that the carriers fault? Nope. Sure ATT wants you to use more data (they aren't a NPO lol) but they aren't the only ones to blame for stuff.
AT&T negatives:
LTE will use more battery power (even if you don't have LTE towers in your area or mess with the APNs - there's currently no known way to disable the LTE chip so it will draw power at least searching for a LTE signal.) For some, the positives of LTE outweigh this concern.
Carrier locked device - can't toss in a tmobile SIM and expect it to work. On the other hand, it's usually possible to SIM unlock the phones if you can talk AT&T into it and/or pay someone for a code.
Carrier controlled firmware updates - AT&T devices are typically 3-6 months (and more in many cases) behind international phones on firmware updates including bug fixes. The only carrier slower than AT&T for firmware updates is Verizon (and they might actually get the SGS3 to JB before AT&T does.) It's quite possible that a serious bug is found on the gnote2 and gets fixed for N7100 users, but AT&T (and other US carrier) users are left having to deal with the bug.
Carrier bloat. (Most of this can be frozen, but there might be parts coupled tightly enough with the rest of the firmware that it's difficult/impossible to properly disable it.) In some cases, a user actually might want some of the carrier bloat, however.
Missing firmware items - This goes further than just the FM Radio. I noticed that on my i9300 (international SGS3) there were many more programs than on my wife's AT&T branded SGS3. For example, dropbox, samsung apps, etc. Some of these are just bloat (so don't matter) and some are significant depending on the user.
Possibly a locked bootloader - this is unlikely, but until the phone is released, it's always possible.
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
This is only a partial list and is likely missing items that we won't realize until the phone is released. On the other hand, I've purposely included at least one item I doubt will be an issue (bootloader) to make the point that we don't yet have complete info.
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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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Good point. I'm assuming they'll be the same.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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This was back in Sept, posted by Briefmobile.. they've been pretty good with their sources.. and per article, the source has been spot on with the info it's been giving out... and it's said to have been rooted and comes with an unlock bootloader..
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-att-galaxy-note-2-already-rooted-before-release
I have the ATT early, and I can assure you it is cwm-able and rootable.
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AT&T negatives:
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
Not a developer or anything, but I'm just a curious consumer that might buy the Note II when it gets released on AT&T
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
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That would be ideal, but it's doubtful. N7100 firmware doesn't work on the N7105 (international LTE), and there have already been kernel-level differences noticed between the 7105 and the tmobile variant. Chances are high that the tmobile variant is closer to the 317 than the 7105.
Of course, it's all guesswork until we start actually messing with the phone.
2 more (slight) cons. Native tethering on ATT is not free. And no FM radio app. Hopefully both can be fixed later by devs.
Lack of FM radio - pretty trivial I think.
Lack of a 32/64gb version of the phone (16gb only). Also trivial considering 64gb cards.
ATT tethering not being free isn't only an ATT issue and it's also not a phone hardware limitation....so I don't see this as a con of the phone itself, rather a carrier con. You can get this via rom
I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
I realize that people really want custom ROMs, as I would, but considering how much better the hardware and OS is getting (note 2 cpu + project butter + 2gb ram) is bloat really so much of an issue?
Seems to me that we can always remove some of the apps we don't need.
Now as for customizations, like the "phablet" stuff that Jamie did with the paranoidandroid rom, those I'll miss.
But overall I'm excited to see how well this phone works, I should have mine on the 7th. I'm looking forward to the new S-Pen integration features, which should be really cool I hope. I am also anticipating a very smooth running device even with the bloated ATT rom As to custom rom's we'll have to see how it goes and keep our hopes up.
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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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Pretty sure the i.international models did not have the multi window function on release either (except maybe the Korean version). They got it in an update.
from a galaxy far far away....
tbong777 said:
I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
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Same with the original Note vs. the international Note. The development was totally different. The development for the AT&T Note didn't even compare to the international. I almost traded my att Note for an international model but I decided to sell it and buy the One X. I forgot to mention in my previous post but that is also a huge consideration. It looks like, as of now, I'll be going with the International Note 2. I use Straight Talk on my One X and plan to with any of my future phones so it's not like I'd be able to use LTE if even my area did have it, which still won't be for at least another year or so.
I wonder tho if the development will be roughly the same since they have the same chipset this time around. Such as roms for the international being portable to the carrier versions and vice versa. Still, even with that, it looks like international versions usually have more development. Plus they get a head start.
Using at&t or at&t straighttalk w/ N900T, optimal setups? Share your experience/rig?
I've been scouring the forums, reading pages upon pages about running the 900T on at&t/at&t straight talk. From the release of the note3, to the initial speculation, to people buying them and trying it out, to now.
What makes this post different is, it's specifically geared towards people who actually have this setup, and if they're willing to share their setup/settings/experience.
Setup= what/how are you running? (unlocked bootloader? rooted? what custom roms? etc.)
How is it working, how do you like it?
Any unresolved issues?
Settings= APN, etc. (I was concerned when I read that quite a few people were reporting issues on running the 900T on at&t, either the phone has horrible connection issues, speed issues, or overheating), what works, how are your speeds and connection stability? Care to share?
There seems to be quite a few users on here who run this setup, but it's scattered in random but related topic threads. Just thought we'd get us together and share the experience/collaborate. I'm planning to get the N900T and I want to run it on at&t or at&t straight talk(I have cards and sim already for both). But, I was wondering, am I expecting too much to expect a T-mobile N900T to run "perfect" on at&t? I've read lots, and it seems like the modem firmware is an issue, being optimized for T-mobile's network, some MMS issues, even though the hardware can use at&t's bands.. have these issues been resolved? I saw some users show pretty good speeds, while others having pretty bad speeds. Some got back, some didn't, either way, I was reading through oceans of threads and my eyes began to sore, lol.
Thanks, cheers to the community, Happy New Years as well!
Hey all. Hopefully this isn't as obvious as I think it is. I have a Verizon Note 3 and recently dropped Verizon and went to Tmobile prepaid. I flashed Alliance's rom from the Verizon forum here and all seems to be working although sometimes the calls and connection are a little flaky. My question is this. ..since I am on Tmobile service now, should I be flashing Tmo ROMs here or should I stick with flashing Verizon Roms since that is the original maker of the phone? Thanks in advance guys
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As long as the hardware is the same, and I believe it is, you'll probably get much better service on a T-Mobile ROM. Wait for a second opinion though.