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Hi guys, any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
Last week I plugged my touch pro 2 in to charge. The phone was on and working fine, but the charging light would not come on.
So HTC collected my phone for repair...
Today I phoned to get the latest information and they want £160 to replace the motherboard or £11 to have the phone returned to be unrepaired. Apparently I have been running an illegal firmware and this has voided my warranty. I updated by firmware many times before settling on the one I was happy with, but it seems the one I settled with wasn't the official one. The guy quoted me SPL - 0.85.0-x.......... and said that it was a bit weird but that was why I had to pay.
So I told him that the firmware had been running fine for many months and I wanted to know the exact registry tweak that had broken the motherboard. Anyway I said I didnt accept that the firmware had anything to do with the hardware failure and would be refusing to pay.. I also gave them the sob story that I have had a new HTC phone every year for the past 7 years and have recommended many customers to them.
Where do I stand with this? I have threatened to go to the small claims court, but really just want my phone fixed for free as soon as possible.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated..
Andy
Honestly you asked for this. You are going to have to pay for the repair. You sent in a phone with a cracked ROM and expect them to fix anything? No way in hell will they do it for free.
when you say a cracked rom do you just mean a rom that is available on this forum?
I accept that it isn't an official rom. but it is unrelated to the issue of a phone not charging.
Unfortunately this is the norm... They can't prove your cooked ROM caused it, you can't prove it didn't. What they can prove is that you are not running the ROM they gave you and I'm sure somewhere in the T&C there's legalese about that voiding the warranty.
COULD someone write a program which interferes with charging? I'd bet so, people around here write some amazing stuff. This is not to make any accusations that someone has written any malicious code, simply that it COULD likely be done, therefore I seriously doubt you have much recourse. You could get lucky, but I suspect you're just hosed.. Sucks.
And in reality, you could send the phone in for ANY failure and they discover such things and void the warranty.
I guess you could buy extra/larger batteries and charge them in a charger and swap them as they die. Not the best solution, but at least you don't have to shell out lots of money.
well i've just sent a very professional email to customer services.
tweiss 3, you have a very negative outlook. HTC market their phones on being individual, and indeed this is why so many of us buy them over Iphones. However I took the individuality to the limit by installing a custom firmware. I am extremely confident that a ROM from this forum and a respected chef at that, would not include a registry hack that has any effect upon the charging system of the phone. And have asked them for the evidence that this is the cause of the hardware malfunction.
Positive thinking goes along way as well I feel.
Season's greetings to all of you.
Take them to court. The whole thing rediculous. Depending on your country this might actually be illegal.
I lawyered up when they tried to pull this on me, and guess who got his phone back fixed for free?
Its not that i'm negative, but there are 2 things everyone should know about warranty electronic work.
1) Always go back to stock. Will this cause you to loose all your data and settings, yes, but that leads me into step 2.
2) It is never a guarantee to come back with the settings or OS the way you sent it out. In fact, most companies have a policy of the first step being just reflash/reinstall the OS to stock default out of the box settings to see if that fixes the problems. So knowing this, spend the few extra minutes to reflash back to stock.
That being said, you could possibly win in a court to get it warrantied, but you are only going to screw yourself out of a lot of money and time. HTC knows this and will let you waste it if you really feel the need to. Their warranties are written very well, with a lot of fine print. Also most of them say "Limited" meaning almost they have all the discretion the care to use.
I agree with tweiss3. You can't send HTC a phone with a modified ROM and expect them to fix it. I'm sure these SOB's will do anything possible to get out of fixing your phone. Once they saw that you had a different SPL that was the red flag they needed to void the warranty. I hope you can convince them to fix your phone. Maybe if you were very persistent and demanded to speak to several managers, told them how you and your friends all own HTC product, inform them you will no longer buy their products and possibly take them to court, etc.
With all this in mind I'm even more hesitant to flash my phone to a modified ROM.
I kind of expect it, to be honest. As soon as they see anything not stock, they can void the warranty. Just like with a car with the manufacturer's warranty. You modify it and something breaks, and they will attempt to void the entire warranty regardless of if it caused the problem or not. When I send my car in for warranty work, I take all of the mods off and put it back to the stock parts (the air intake, etc).
It's a crappy deal, I know. But it's something you should plan for if you ever need warranty work done.
Either way, I hope everything works out for you
Its just a rule of thumb when it comes to warranty repair with electronics, always restore stock first!!! As soon as HTC discovered that your phone software was modified, it's no longer an issue to them of what caused the problem with your phone, it is now an issue of this phone is no longer under warranty because of the physical proof of the software tamperment! honestly it would be by the grace of god if they were to reinstate the warranty!
Unfortunatly due to the phone not powering on, or connecting via usb it would have been impossible to restore the firmware.
Thanks for the advice and well wishers.
Worse come to the worse is it worth repairing the phone for that price or is their anyone else who could replace the mainboard for cheaper than £160?
Dude, I totally know what you're going through. I hacked the ECU on my car, and now Mazda won't honor the warranty on my engine. It's total bull...I mean, I should be able to customize it how I want with no repercussions for myself. Why should I have to take the financial hit just because I put on a different software that controls the entire thing that may or may not have screwed it up?
If you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic. You changed the core controlling software and didn't bother to change it back to the stock one. They have no responsibility to repair it for you.
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I honestly wish you luck. Other readers seeking warranty repair should save themselves the risk and the effort and think positively about returning the phone to stock prior to sending it in.
Last week I plugged my touch pro 2 in to charge. The phone was on and working fine, but the charging light would not come on.
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Unfortunatly due to the phone not powering on, or connecting via usb it would have been impossible to restore the firmware.
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Eh? Obviously if you can't flash it back, you're stuck. Other posters might not have been as hard on you if they had known the phone couldn't be flashed.
Now you know what needs doing I bet you can find someone to do it for less. Worth a look.
Also worth asking for it back and re-flashing and returning to see how their records work.
Do they really have a database of products they don't want to work with or do they just look at the serial, look at the device and decide ? Only one way to find out ! For £11 it might be worth the gamble.
(Plz ignore the previous any post made here earlier, I think it was the equivalent of a pocket call )
What?
I don't think he ever said they fixed it without asking him. They gave him two options:
1) Fix it
2) Return it without repairing it
Unless I missed a post somewhere, he never chose to fix it. In fact, I don't even think he chose to take it back yet.
Just an update... They decided not to replace it for free, and still ask for £160.
You guys are quite right I should have restored it to factory before sending it back. It was sent to HTC running the official upgraded rom so I thought it would be fine, however I had forgotten that it would still be unlocked for unofficial roms and they would check this.
Even if I had remembered it wouldn't have been possible because the phone usb connection was not working..
dik23 thank you for your suggestion! Is there anyway of restoring the spl and all of the phone to stock settings without a usb connection? e.g. micro sd? or wifi?
I think i'm going to ask for the phone back for £11.. However the £11 fee is for an assesment, so there is a chance they will pick up. However I believe having the phone in perfect working condition would give me a stronger standing.
did you ever try a different USB cable? that would be my first thought after it broke....
also, do you have phone insurance? if so, is there any chance in the future it could be "stolen" under the insurance policy, and at worst you would get a working refurb?
I don't have phone insurance but it might be worth while getting it soon incase of any future loss ;-)
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also, do you have phone insurance? if so, is there any chance in the future it could be "stolen" under the insurance policy, and at worst you would get a working refurb?
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I don't have phone insurance but it might be worth while getting it soon incase of any future loss ;-)
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Even setting morality aside (which you shouldn't), reporting a phone as having been stolen shortly after having a warranty claim rejected is maybe not the smartest move.
i cant believe people from the US are telling you youre in the wrong. idunno about other countries, including the one you're at, but here in the US warranties are made to protect the CONSUMER not the big company. "minidevil"s comparison about a car manufacturer having the right to void your warranty is so wrong its unbelievable. so called "shrinkwrap warranties" arent even legal here in the US. i had a yamaha R1 which i used as a track bike. regardless of what the warranty said or what the dealership try to claim the minute i lawyered up they fixed my bike. simply because they knew what they hoped i didnt. that warranty laws are here to protect me not them. i didnt have to prove that the racing mods didnt fry my clutch hub. THEY had to prove it did. and like it has been said, you cant prove one way or another. here in the US i couldve asked for costs of repairing my bike and court costs for suing them. they knew this and just fixed my bike. again, idunno the laws in your country. its VERY likely youll win in a court, though. but wether or not your court system allows you to also recoup loss monies for court costs from HTC, i dont know.. it may just be cheaper to pay for the repairs.
I've been having the Sleep of Death for 2 months now it seems. It was a please press button to turn on backlight before on occasion, now its been the full blown SOD for the past month or more. I've tried so much and I'm through dealing with it. It's constant to the point its unusable now. I've given up.
Questions I have are:
1. Does anyone really check to see if I have official Verizon software when I go to the store? Can't I just load Mr. X's non SOD Verizon rom and fool them? It looks official to me. A month before I bought my phone noone even knew what a TP2 was at the AT&T store yet I knew about it for half a year before release.
2. Is there anyway I can get another phone? I can't deal with another Touch Pro 2(or windows mobile phone). The 9 months or so I've had it were fun though. It's just so sloooooow at times and dated now. Can I hope to get a refurb Droid Incredible? I have the 1.99 extended warranty if that helps one bit.
3.I bought it online does that make any difference?
4. I'd like to try tomorrow :\
BTW a friend I know from work had 3 separate issues with 3 Touch Pro 2s and on his third trip to the store he was able to snatch a Droid. So I know it can happen but I'm foggy on the details how
if you a having a problem with your phone and you believe it needs to be replaced under warranty, i recommend you tell them you lost the phone and need a replacement.
well that seems a bit dishonest doesn't it? the reason i say this is to prevent you from being screwed over. from my understanding, the tp2 has different moisture detectors on the device that are not accurate, by some accounts on this forum.
i would hate for my claim to be denied and have to pay for another phone when i know that i didn't get it wet...
Do you mean the little sticker inside above the battery? That says void on it :\ It's said that since day 3 or so and I've never gotten it wet. I knew that was fishy and I read about that on the forum. Wow...thanks for the great help.
That really threw everything off though. I get charged for the replacement dont I? Can I get that replacement at the store or do I have to wait to get one shipped?...so broke right now, and all I want is a working phone ...equal or better than mine lol
Yes verizon will probably check to see if you have official software. Also your rom is causing the SOD issue. I use the stock rom and never have any SOD issues. Your chance of a upgrade to incredible is like 2% since it isn't a comparable phone. Also Verizon require 3 replacements inside of 90 days before they offer you a new phone. Also insurance fraud is not very nice. Return the phone if you get a new one.
I think insurance fraud is a bad idea all around. Plus I don't like reading about it since technically I have to stop the conversation if I think that this is where the conversation is going.
I suggest you get the stock firmware back on your phone, re-lock if if at all possible, go to the store and explain the issue you've been having. As long as the water detection stickers haven't changed, they'll usually replace it without asking too many questions.
I don't think the SOD issue you're having is device-related though. I'm almost 100% positive that it's entirely firmware related and I strongly suggest you go back to the stock ROM/RADIO/SPL and see if the issue is resolved before attempting warranty replacement.
Final note - Try to avoid using the term "Insurance Fraud" from here on out. It's bad practice, violates the forum rules, can get the site in BIG trouble and can get you banned/your thread closed.
-DH
So my earpiece has gone.
Not crackly, not distorted, just nothing - silence.
It was fine a couple of days ago and now it's completely dead.
The phone hasn't been dropped (well, tossed on a mattress/duvet when I'm heading to bed but not onto anything hard and from no great height), I haven't tempted fate by submerging it, I've properly nursed this phone and it's still died on me.
The one thing that I did do between it working and today was flash a different ROM.
I'm just wondering whether there's any chance that might've had something to do with it?
I went from '3.4.2 131-003' to '3.4.2-155-2'.
I know it's a long shot but that couldn't possibly be the cause, could it?
Many people have already complained about that problem (just google it!), return the phone (if your warranty isn't void because of the flashing, but i think it only affects software warranty), and they'll get you a new one. As far as I know, the newly produced defys don't have that defect anymore, mine - which I bought a couple of weeks ago - works just fine (fingers crossed!).
I'm aware that it's a known issue, I was asking because it seems that normally the earpiece gets crackly then dies whereas mine has gone from absolutely fine to completely dead in a couple of days with no usage in-between and the fact it happened after I flashed a new ROM seems coincidental to say the least.
As for the warranty, I have flashed ROMs, so fingers crossed.
same problem
I've the same problem.. no crackling, total silence. yesterday it worked perfectly fine, but since today no sound at all.
didn't do anything weird with it; flashed another froyo rom one week ago, but I can hardly imagine it has something to do with it...
I red there were more persons with a earpiece problem, but I couldn't find anyone who's got total silence from one moment to another..
is there info about this issue?
greetz
mine has gone from working to total silent the way mine was crackly was if i blew into it, it would work sometimes but now nothing at all i need to get a replaceable but dnt ave time
The problem is due to a bad connection, so I suppose it is possible it would break cleanly, going from working to silence with no interference/crackling.
I was just hoping I could fix it myself without having to rely on the Motorola warranty lottery
The fix-it-yourself thread is here. It's easily done if you are even mildly practical. I have sourced 2 SE K850i earpieces as a hedge against the future, once I'm out of warranty.
However, I am currently in warranty, so I sent an email regarding my Defy to Motorola as soon as my earpiece started acting-up. I tried to demand a replacement on the grounds that they were offering for sale devices that they knew were defective. Unfortunately, they were adamant that a repair was my only option so I sent my phone to their centre. I followed their advice, backing up, removing SIM and SD card, performing factory wipe from within Settings/Location & Security, and only sending the phone.
My phone had a custom ROM with the "android" text boot-loader so it was obviously not stock but there have been no complaints from them and I'm able to track my phone through their system. It's been repaired and is in "final testing". I'm expecting it back early next week.
Given the perceived "openness" of android, it would be a PR disaster for Motorola to void the hardware warranty on the grounds of software modification.
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So my earpiece has gone.
Not crackly, not distorted, just nothing - silence.
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The one thing that I did do between it working and today was flash a different ROM.
I'm just wondering whether there's any chance that might've had something to do with it?
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mmm, i have something to say ... i flashed lots of different roms, two weeks ago i went back to China 0.26, still one of the best in terms of performance BUT, i had some trouble with the earpiece.
The first time it happened i thought "ok my earpiece has gone", it was just silent, people could hear me and i could hear nothing. Surprisingly after a reboot the earpiece was working, then silence again the day after... so on for 3 - 4 times.
Then i flashed the 3.4.2-155 and the problem disapperead. No failure, no silence, after 10 days it still works.
So, could it be the problem was related to that specific rom or software i used?
Btw, did you try to flash back to your previous rom?
I got same issue last week, and my mobile operator change my phone by a new one.
It's a know pb with first MB525 products.
After flashing did-you remove back door and battery to power off/power on you phone ?
I think when we do that, we push on the back of phone and so increase earpiece failure risk.
Thanks, I'd seen that thread before but I'm still well inside my warranty and have no urge to risk voiding it any more than I potentially already have.
I have no qualms about having to send the phone back to Motorola, I just want to be sure it'll be fixed when I do is all.
It's a shame that Motorola don't allow third-parties to fix the handsets - I know an engineer that works for one of the UK high street mobile phone retailers and he says that any earpiece issues, they have to send the phones back to Motorola themselves, they can't even source the necessary parts.
If they could fix it, I wouldn't think twice about the ROM as I know he couldn't care less, he'd get it sorted for me.
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Given the perceived "openness" of android, it would be a PR disaster for Motorola to void the hardware warranty on the grounds of software modification.
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Also, since the issue is known to be purely hardware and there are plenty of cases of it afflicting handsets that are entirely stock, they would leave themselves in a very shaky legal situation.
Personally, I think I'd prefer to have my current handset repaired instead of replaced as it seems to be a little gem in terms of battery life.
As for the warranty, I doubt I'll have this phone for more than a year or so.
Part of the reason I chose it was the excellent deal on the T-Mobile contract I'm on meaning that if I get the urge to 'upgrade' early, I won't feel bad about buying a second phone out of my own pocket.
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Btw, did you try to flash back to your previous rom?
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No I haven't.
I only discovered the problem at work this afternoon and started this thread as soon as I got home.
I might give it a go over the weekend but part of me can't really be bothered, I might just send it away.
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I got same issue last week, and my mobile operator change my phone by a new one.
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UK law only gives a customer a limited period after purchasing during which they can demand a replacement, after that a retailer is entitled to try and repair a faulty item if it is reasonable to do so.
Only if repairing the phone is in some way unsuccessful would the customer then be entitled to a replacement.
Sorry to hear that.
Let us know if Moto honor the warranty. It's very unreasonable to void hardware warranty just because of software modification.
My defy earpiece failed after 4 weeks. I had the orange 2.2 on the phone. Sent it to solidvision (they do warranty repair for motorola phones in belgium and netherlands). 3 weeks later they sent me a new phone, under warranty. On other sites I read that motorola doenst make a problem about earpiece issue even when you flashed other firmware.
So I handed my handset in to be sent away for repair on the 21st of March.
On the 18th of April I contacted CPW's repairs department to query where my handset was at 28 days had elapsed. The guy I spoke to raised a £10 voucher on their systems and put some sort of trace on it for me.
And on the 21st I was contacted by the store I'd handed my phone into to say it was back.
When I say 'it was back', it's not the same handset I sent away - it's a 'clearance' replacement handset. Thankfully my mate who works for CPW checked the handset's history on their systems and it's not a refurb, it was sat in a store for a month without being sold, then recalled to the warehouse so they had one to send to me.
I just hope this 'new' handset has as good a battery life as the one they kept...
I have a Captivate Glide (AT&T version), (bought used from ebay) i'm using in in Europe, and the call quality is just weird. The quality overall wouldn't be that bad, but when someone is talking to me, there's a constant creaking/buzzing sound which makes it really bad and hard to endure. It only happens when using speakers, with headsets it looks ok.
Do any of you have any similar experience?
I don't know if it's software related, looked for some modems to flash but couldn't really find any. Tried to update software but it's not supported via Kies and also get some weird error when trying to update from the menu: "DM initialization is not ready. Check network or SIM card" (might have something to do with the non-at&t sim?)
I currently have UCKL1 build & baseband.
Since it's ok with headset, i think it might be hardware-related. Do you think it's speakers are faulty?
if headsets and bluetooth devices are fine then there is a good chance that it may be speaker related.
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if headsets and bluetooth devices are fine then there is a good chance that it may be speaker related.
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Yeah, that's what i thought too. But i would still give a fw update a chance, is there any newer than what i have/where can i get them? Can i flash them with Odin without voiding warranty?
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Yeah, that's what i thought too. But i would still give a fw update a chance, is there any newer than what i have/where can i get them? Can i flash them with Odin without voiding warranty?
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Take a look in the development thread there are many Roms now available for you to try. Oh and if you flash, you do void your warranty, hence why you will see many threads on people trying to put their phone back to stock for warranty service or updates witch no longer get pushed with a modified Rom.
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Take a look in the development thread there are many Roms now available for you to try. Oh and if you flash, you do void your warranty, hence why you will see many threads on people trying to put their phone back to stock for warranty service or updates witch no longer get pushed with a modified Rom.
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Well, i meant i wanted to try stock, official, unmodified ROMs, what i would get from official updates, so it wouldn't void my warranty.
I found one here: UCKI3 but it looks older than what i have.
sounds like your speaker is popped or a bad connection to the speaker, certianly not anything software can fix, altho i havent pulled my glide apart some phones have a 2nd speaker for "load speaker" others im told use the same speaker but run thru a different "preamp" so bad connections anywhere in that circuit can cause fuzz.
as far as warranty work or keeping it intacted at&t wont honor any warranty on a 2nd hand phone, new in the box or not, subscriber or not (i have tried) so if it was purchased thru ebay your likely out of luck there. ebay does have a 30 day guarantee so if your in that window you can prolly get a refund.
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sounds like your speaker is popped or a bad connection to the speaker, certianly not anything software can fix, altho i havent pulled my glide apart some phones have a 2nd speaker for "load speaker" others im told use the same speaker but run thru a different "preamp" so bad connections anywhere in that circuit can cause fuzz.
as far as warranty work or keeping it intacted at&t wont honor any warranty on a 2nd hand phone, new in the box or not, subscriber or not (i have tried) so if it was purchased thru ebay your likely out of luck there. ebay does have a 30 day guarantee so if your in that window you can prolly get a refund.
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That's bad news. And even if AT&T would take care of it, it's not much of use because i live in Europe. I guess the best thing to do is investigate if local Samsung services can repair it, and if they can, talk to the seller to pay for it's price. If they can't repair it then... i guess i'll have to live with the 30 day guarantee and send it back...
yeah talk to the sammy repair folks quick ebay has really stepped up their game as far as ixing problems & what not. just do all your communications thru ebay so you/they have a record of the situation even if the seller doesnt want to help ebay may step in & fix to keep everyone happy....good luck!
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yeah talk to the sammy repair folks quick ebay has really stepped up their game as far as ixing problems & what not. just do all your communications thru ebay so you/they have a record of the situation even if the seller doesnt want to help ebay may step in & fix to keep everyone happy....good luck!
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Called the Sammy service, turns out they don't support this model in this country at all, and i guess this stands for whole Europe, so repairing is not really an option unless i go/send it to USA for this.
I don't know what to do, should i just send it back? It's a really annoying error but don't know if it's worth all the hustle...
it is a nice Android device but remember it is a phone and if it bothers you to use it as such I would try to get it returned or serviced.
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I looked into the return policy and only found this:
"Your ability to return an item depends on the seller's return policy, which you should be able to find in the listing or by asking the seller.
While we encourage sellers to be clear and specific about their return policy, it's up to them whether they accept returns.
If your item doesn't match the listing description, you should contact the seller first. If that doesn't work out, you can open a case in our Resolution Center."
Are you sure there's a 30 days guarantee in all cases? How can i do that?
I already tried to contact with the seller several days ago but no answer yet.
I'm assuming yes, but doesn't hurt to ask and maybe someone has already gone through this. Just a few cracks on the back left corner from today
It's now officially another recall, so they pretty much have to.
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I'm assuming yes, but doesn't hurt to ask and maybe someone has already gone through this. Just a few cracks on the back left corner from today
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Call and find out for yourself and not go by the words of individuals on here...unless someone has done it.
You call and they say yes MAKE SURE there is a note on your account stating just that. Go to the store, if they say no point them to the note...if that still doesn't help....I just heard about tmobile retention department, give them a ring and have them fix the matter and have them look at the note on the account.
Between the release and the 1st recall, I dropped and messed up my note 7, ready to have to pay insurance to replace it. Then they were recalled. They will, and have to accept your phone. It is being shown as dangerous and the choice is technically not yours but Samsung's decision to take back the phones. That being said, they accepted mine without any issues. Just had to make sure I had the charger and accessories that came with it.
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Between the release and the 1st recall, I dropped and messed up my note 7, ready to have to pay insurance to replace it. Then they were recalled. They will, and have to accept your phone. It is being shown as dangerous and the choice is technically not yours but Samsung's decision to take back the phones. That being said, they accepted mine without any issues. Just had to make sure I had the charger and accessories that came with it.
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On the first recall, I kept every accessory from my first Note7 (fast charger, USB-C cable and adapters, headphones, stylus pin replacement and even the stylus itself... I was even considering keeping the SIM/SD bay but finally didn't do it). I don't think they'll bother asking you to return those. I consider it like spare for future use and also some sort of compensation for all the trouble and risk they did put on me
They have to take every Note back, it is a recall for safety concerns. In fact I had a wild idea to crack it intentionally or leave them a "f*** ***" note (no pun intended) inside to let them know how I feel
you could argue that you would have kept it smashed, and the only reason you're there is because you don't want it to kill you.....
plus the points that everyone else made are true.. they don't have achoice not too. it's not their loss anyway, they will get their money back from samsung..
I had a few cracks across my screen before returning it. One store i went into couldn't do the exchange yet because they needed a manager to be there to remove charges, but I asked the 2 guys there anyways and the 1 didn't know. The other said I'd have to do an insurance claim. I immediately laughed and said no I don't, I'm not going to do an insurance claim on a recalled exploding phone. I told him he better call customer service and find out for when I come back to do the replacement. I didn't go back there, went to another store a day or 3 later and they asked 0 questions on my exchange for the 7v2