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I know this is in the wrong forum but its an emergancy,
So lets say i dropped my phone in the pool, and it wont turn on, i have insurance its rooted and running a custom rom,.... can they fond out its rooted even though it wont boot, thx please reply quick
*It wont even recognize u touch the power button and even try to turn on*
been in rice for over 3 hours

if you have insurance then whats the emergency? have tmo send you a new phone...
not only that but ANYONE could have answered this question...see, im doing it right now, and im not a dev, and i JUST CAME from checking the general and Q&A sections, so its not like nobody wouldve seen it there, cus i was just there and i wouldve been back there later, too...AND did i mention im not a DEV....so why do you think you deserve to break the rules just because youre clumsy?
if you had posted in the right place i still wouldve seen it, and i still wouldve answered, just without all the "wrong section" BS. i wouldve been alot nicer about it if you hadnt tried to act like youre better than everyone else. everyone esle has to follow the rules, but apparently you think that you dont...
put the phone in a [ziploc] bag of rice for a few days, thatll pull out all the moisture and maybe you can resurrect it...
post in the right section...whether you think its an emergency or not...
thread reported....
-BMFC

Whoareyou said:
I know this is in the wrong forum but its an emergancy,
So lets say i dropped my phone in the pool, and it wont turn on, i have insurance its rooted and running a custom rom,.... can they fond out its rooted even though it wont boot, thx please reply quick
*It wont even recognize u touch the power button and even try to turn on*
been in rice for over 3 hours
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If it won't boot or respond at all, I honestly don't see how they can see it's rooted.
Now about getting a replacement. Insurance companies don't like replacing wet phones. I have no idea why. What difference does it make if it's wet or just dropped/lost?
Now, if your insurance covers water damage, ( I have it too, I THINK it does but I'm not sure, I'd call T-Mobile and just ask them if the insurance covers it. If it does, tell them your problem. Make sure you clarify whether it's covered or not first).
If they say it's not covered, say thanks, and hang up. Remember, you have to make it seem like you're just asking about your insurance, not that you need it.
Now this is where it gets sketchy. I know for sure the warranty covers you losing your phone. Call T-Mobile back, make sure it's a different Rep, and tell them you lost your phone, have the insurance, and need a replacement.
Now, this could be taken as insurance fraud which is illegal, but what difference does it make if the phone is lost or wet? Either way my phone is lost to me, and someone who's phone gets wet pays the same amount of money monthly for insurance as someone who simply loses their phone.

oh if its asurion, they'll replace wet... it will cost a deductible... oh and WRONG THREAD! but no they wouldnt give a damn if its rooted, you know the government said today that we are allowed to root our stuff

migueltherocker said:
If it won't boot or respond at all, I honestly don't see how they can see it's rooted.
Now about getting a replacement. Insurance companies don't like replacing wet phones. I have no idea why. What difference does it make if it's wet or just dropped/lost?
Now, if your insurance covers water damage, ( I have it too, I THINK it does but I'm not sure, I'd call T-Mobile and just ask them if the insurance covers it. If it does, tell them your problem. Make sure you clarify whether it's covered or not first).
If they say it's not covered, say thanks, and hang up. Remember, you have to make it seem like you're just asking about your insurance, not that you need it.
Now this is where it gets sketchy. I know for sure the warranty covers you losing your phone. Call T-Mobile back, make sure it's a different Rep, and tell them you lost your phone, have the insurance, and need a replacement.
Now, this could be taken as insurance fraud which is illegal, but what difference does it make if the phone is lost or wet? Either way my phone is lost to me, and someone who's phone gets wet pays the same amount of money monthly for insurance as someone who simply loses their phone.
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or you can just leave the phone (without the sim) somewhere public. then it is lost.
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jdkoreclipse said:
or you can just leave the phone (without the sim) somewhere public. then it is lost.
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Good luck explaining why you took out your SIM card. Back when the G1 had first come out, my friend got it, and we were at his house and stupid me pushed him in the pool thinking he didn't have his phone on him. He took out his SIM card and put it in his old sidekick 3 and called T-Mobile, he told them he lost his phone, and they wouldn't believe him since he still had his SIM. They thought he was just saying this to get a new phone for free to sell it.

or take out the sim.
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Thanks for your support, thx

As a ex phone tech, I can tell you for sure... there's no way they can tell your phone is rooted if it wont power on. They just check for physical or water damage. Thats it. Just tell them what happened and get ready to pay $150 for a replacement though.

Oh great, i hope it dosent come to that, its in a bag of rice and im just praying it works tomorow.

Today a new change to Copyright law was announced at: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ that protects users from being discriminated against for having "rooted" or "jailbroken" their phones. Furthermore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act details that "a manufacturer cannot void a warranty because of an aftermarket replacement part unless they can prove that the part caused the failure (e.g. those early unlocks that scrambled the baseband's IMEI info)." This can be treated as (because of how the Act was written): "[your carrier/manufacturer] cannot legally void the warranty for a mere jailbreak, but could void the warranty for an unlock that goes wrong and bricks the phone by damaging the baseband or boot loader."
Point being: tell them to **** off or you'll call the FCC or your lawyer.

nbetcher said:
Today a new change to Copyright law was announced at: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ that protects users from being discriminated against for having "rooted" or "jailbroken" their phones. Furthermore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act details that "a manufacturer cannot void a warranty because of an aftermarket replacement part unless they can prove that the part caused the failure (e.g. those early unlocks that scrambled the baseband's IMEI info)." This can be treated as (because of how the Act was written): "[your carrier/manufacturer] cannot legally void the warranty for a mere jailbreak, but could void the warranty for an unlock that goes wrong and bricks the phone by damaging the baseband or boot loader."
Point being: tell them to **** off or you'll call the FCC or your lawyer.
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I really don't think this has to do with an aftermarket part. And I really don't think that manufacturers have to honor a warranty when the product they put out has been altered in a way that voids said warranty. The new law simply states that the owner of the phone isn't subect to any legal troubles because of what they modified.
With all of that being said, you ****ed up your phone, knowingly posted in the wrong section because you think you'll get a faster response, and now you're hoping someone can tell you the magical way to get a new phone for free.
Good luck with that.

Whoareyou said:
I know this is in the wrong forum but its an emergancy,
So lets say i dropped my phone in the pool, and it wont turn on, i have insurance its rooted and running a custom rom,.... can they fond out its rooted even though it wont boot, thx please reply quick
*It wont even recognize u touch the power button and even try to turn on*
been in rice for over 3 hours
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Um, wrong section........
Please post in proper place!

Whoareyou said:
Oh great, i hope it dosent come to that, its in a bag of rice and im just praying it works tomorow.
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Dude, if you really wanna save it... take it apart and dry it out. You need a torx screwdriver #5 and look online for help on disassembly. Ive had many water damaged phones resurrected from death but you have to take them apart. Letting them dry by themselves will take a week and might ruin the board due to corrosion. Then you'll have to open it anyways and clean the chips with an old toothbrush and rubbing alcohol. But you might already have corroded chips and function is impaired somewhat or totally. So take it apart CAREFULLY (lowes or home depot or whatever hardware store have torx screw drivers for under $10 and have multi bits with the screwdriver) and dry it out and clean the board and everypart you can with the alcohol and toothbrush. The lcd is a ***** so be careful. Worse case senerio... you can just put it together and make your insurance claim. But keep it in the rice bag (lol! Never heard that one! It will take a week till it drys out, especially the lcd. Dont turn it on until a week has passed. It might make it worse. That is unless you take it apart and do it the right way) Until you can get a torx screwdriver tomorrow.

tmobile will replace it in the store. Its a flagship phone. they do warrenty and inx for flagship phones in the store.

LAKERHATER4 said:
Um, wrong section........
Please post in proper place!
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Show some mercy, Frieza. Or we'll send Goku after ya!

krolla03 said:
tmobile will replace it in the store. Its a flagship phone. they do warrenty and inx for flagship phones in the store.
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Not for a liquid damaged phone, lol!

Do you have a mental disorder that disallows you from posting in the correct forum section?

nbetcher said:
Today a new change to Copyright law was announced at: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ that protects users from being discriminated against for having "rooted" or "jailbroken" their phones. Furthermore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act details that "a manufacturer cannot void a warranty because of an aftermarket replacement part unless they can prove that the part caused the failure (e.g. those early unlocks that scrambled the baseband's IMEI info)." This can be treated as (because of how the Act was written): "[your carrier/manufacturer] cannot legally void the warranty for a mere jailbreak, but could void the warranty for an unlock that goes wrong and bricks the phone by damaging the baseband or boot loader."
Point being: tell them to **** off or you'll call the FCC or your lawyer.
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Right off the site you linked:
"The Librarian of Congress has announced the classes of works subject to the exemption from the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works. Persons making noninfringing uses of the following six classes of works will not be subject to the prohibition against circumventing access controls (17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1)) until the conclusion of the next rulemaking."
That has nothing to do with warranties on the phone, only with them restricting our ability to root and jailbreak, etc. The wireless carriers aren't saying we can't root our phones or anything like that. They ARE however saying that the warranty is void if you root it. That is not illegal, they can make any warranty terms they want. This is saying that it is LEGAL to root and jailbreak, etc... not that it's illegal to void your warranty because you rooted your phone.
Also, just like chrisinaz said, the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act only references using different PARTS, not different software. It has nothing to do with rooting/jailbreaking in any way.
Oh yeah, to the OP (WhoAreYou): Nobody cares if you think your 'emergency' is so damn important. POST IN THE RIGHT SECTION. Anyway, the MT3GS will cost you $130 to replace thru Asurion. Remember it's insurance, not a warranty, so this WILL be covered by Asurion either way. They really don't care, I can definitely assure you that! If you get something exchanged under warranty, then you gotta worry about unrooting...

r0man said:
Do you have a mental disorder that disallows you from posting in the correct forum section?
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LOL! Obviously, he thinks he'll get a quicker response by posting the busier sub forum section. And remember he's a VIP for creating his own rom by using Eugene's and adding a stock launcher to it and passing it off as a custom rom and creating another useless thread in the devleopment section. I shouldn't have even given him advice the more I think about it. We are all just adding more fuel to the fire...

Extremely important question..

okay, my charging port just broke, so i can't connect to usb, and i have 30 percent battery, and i want to take this to sprint tomorrow, but its rooted. i want to RUU, but i cant because i can't connect via USB. how do i get rid of my root?

You could probably get away without unrooting it, if you just bring it in with a dead battery and say the mizcro USB port is broken. Lots of people on here have said that they returned their Evos without the reps even looking at them.

dhMassacre said:
okay, my charging port just broke, so i can't connect to usb, and i have 30 percent battery, and i want to take this to sprint tomorrow, but its rooted. i want to RUU, but i cant because i can't connect via USB. how do i get rid of my root?
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might want to change the title of your thread so in the future it can be found easier when searching...
mistersquirrle said:
You could probably get away without unrooting it, if you just bring it in with a dead battery and say the mizcro USB port is broken. Lots of people on here have said that they returned their Evos without the reps even looking at them.
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good info..

Well, When I worked at a "A" store for sprint for the last couple of years (A meaning service and repair with extremely high traffic) a broken port is considered physical damage and shouldn't be replaced at the store level....without you paying a fee, so if you have insurance your probably going to just end up paying 100$ and having them send you one anyway.
per policy.....
now... I mentioned that we were an A store because some of the third party repair stores or smaller ones will overlook some physical damage...hit or miss.
But policy says your boned.
just a thought.
second thought.... if you want DONT mention that the port is broken, and brick your phone by trying to flash it or something and let the battery die at the same time haha.
and go in and be like, yo man, my phone wont turn on.
third thought.... alot of sprint employees dont care or dont know WTF rooting your phone is, make it look stock and they arent going to check to see if its rooted, they will only notice if something is crazy looking..and even then just say oh yeah its a mod from the market i forget what its called...
I worked for sprint for 3 years... trust me, we don't care, be nice and you'll probably just be fine. stay away from the managers, more likely to send you away.

My store up here they know whay flashing and rooting is... only because they do it also.. the guy who sold me the phone told me about the free teethering by rooting... but didnt tell me to not update..
sent from my Evo

I don't think they'll care. LOL. It's just rooting your choice + i think it's legal now ?

It is legal, but under the sprint protection and crap they say tampering and messing with the phone and what not, makes that all go away.

i expected something else... but you did get yourself in a pickle. my first instinct would be to fix it myself. sounds like you physically broke the connections to the usb plug? might just need a quick pass of a soldering iron. it's just that people are so quick to get rid of an electronic device when the fix can be so simple. -not saying thats your situation; it's only the thought in my head at the moment.

Rooting is legal with all insurance until u flash a software...anyway...broke USB port should b covered at store level...I've had my camera lens crack on previous phones and they got me a free replacement
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Sprint is ok with rooting/hacking/softmodding of their phones. At least the California branches are. They don't ebrace or encourage you to hack your phone, but if you walk in with one, they won't sent you packing even after they detected it. In the past, my HTC Touch's screen started going bad, so I brought it in to get it repaired. Right off the bat, the store manager knew it was softmodded; he actually questioned me about apps and compared his custom rom with mines. I thought it was weird, and feeling confident, I asked him isn't it against store policy to hack the phones? His exact words were: "No, we actaully support it. We, as well as every other users, knows, Sprint and manufacturers does not make quick enough updates; therefore, many users turn to developers for help. Sprint is begining to see that custom ROMs are benifiting more and more users. We want to be able to retain/gain customers instead of lose, even if that means a little sacrafice (in this case, phone hacking). As long as our customer are happy, we are happy." I was like "WOW, Sprint is cool with phone modding"!!! I had AT&T before and my sister currently has Verizon, and no way in hell were they this cool about phone softmodding. As far as rooting/installing custom rom goes, I just hope there's no mass mob of idioits who repeatedly bricks their phone and bring it in for warranty. It might be the only reason why Sprint would probably turn their heads away from accepting rooted/hacked phones.

kris54241 said:
Rooting is legal with all insurance until u flash a software...anyway...broke USB port should b covered at store level...I've had my camera lens crack on previous phones and they got me a free replacement
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INCORRECT INCORRECT INCORRECT, Its people with your attitude that came into the store and gave me a nightmarish headache.
what in the world makes you think a physically damaged product is covered under a limited warranty? it is not.
you may have gotten lucky, or someone was stupid, or someone was really nice to you and replaced your phone because of the camera lens crack but dont continue the stupid cycle by saying "it should be taken care of" NO IT SHOULDN'T why cant people comprehend someone just did you a solid? dont expect it, appreciate it.
cause I will tell you right now its no ones policy anywhere to replace anything thats been damaged for free.
Physical damage always has and always will be directed to asurion unless someone feels like being nice to you, OR because the item is defective.
Broken camera lens and broken charging port DO NOT fall into that category.

6ixtynin9 said:
Sprint is ok with rooting/hacking/softmodding of their phones. At least the California branches are. They don't ebrace or encourage you to hack your phone, but if you walk in with one, they won't sent you packing even after they detected it. In the past, my HTC Touch's screen started going bad, so I brought it in to get it repaired. Right off the bat, the store manager knew it was softmodded; he actually questioned me about apps and compared his custom rom with mines. I thought it was weird, and feeling confident, I asked him isn't it against store policy to hack the phones? His exact words were: "No, we actaully support it. We, as well as every other users, knows, Sprint and manufacturers does not make quick enough updates; therefore, many users turn to developers for help. Sprint is begining to see that custom ROMs are benifiting more and more users. We want to be able to retain/gain customers instead of lose, even if that means a little sacrafice (in this case, phone hacking). As long as our customer are happy, we are happy." I was like "WOW, Sprint is cool with phone modding"!!! I had AT&T before and my sister currently has Verizon, and no way in hell were they this cool about phone softmodding. As far as rooting/installing custom rom goes, I just hope there's no mass mob of idioits who repeatedly bricks their phone and bring it in for warranty. It might be the only reason why Sprint would probably turn their heads away from accepting rooted/hacked phones.
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YMMV by location.

Outrageous Story of HTCdev Bootloader Unlocking in Hong Kong and Requiring a Repair

Hey everyone.
So basically, I live in Hong Kong, and there is an official HTC support center.
So I bought an HTC One X from my carrier, and then after a few days, I noticed I had a yellow spot, but before I detected this problem, I already went on HTCdev and unlocked my bootloader. So I called up HTC HK and talked to a guy, he insisted that I am able to fix it for free. Now, don't ask me why my carrier didn't take it in, they said I must bring it to HTC support center in Yau Ma Tei because it was beyond the 7 day in-store exchange warranty.
I sent my phone in the first time because of the screen issue, and it took about a week. They called me and said, that they are unable to replace the entire device because I unlocked the bootloader, telling me it will cost HKD 1800, and I said, NO! I sent it in because of the screen and not the motherboard! They replaced my phone's screen only, and not the entire device. So when I got my phone back, I had the exact motherboard which said "RELOCKED" and my Serial number matched up with my old one. So they had their hands digging through my 12 day old phone. I checked my phone for other defects, and wouldn't you know it, I found out ANOTHER problem on my screen, yellow spots appeared somewhere else as well as either a dead pixel was located in the middle of the screen, or a speck of dust, I'm not sure. So I yelled at them, and they took it back in.
The second time I sent it in, as I said before, was because of the unidentified dot in the middle of the screen AND the relocated yellow tint on the screen. As they stated before, they said they can't replace the entire device due to the unlocking of the bootloader, so they replaced the screen again. I was told to check the phone, and I found hairline cracks all over the phone. I WAS ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS. All those cracks were due to the repair and poor service, **** SERVICE REPAIR. Okay, I calmed down, I sent it back in, and they said they will replace the housing for me. I was infuriated at the fact that after I told them to repair it for me again, they told me that they will now ask a "Senior Technician" to look over this case, in my head I thought "WHAT THE ****, did you ****ing ask a "Junior technician" to fix this HKD5198 phone?" But I let it all slide, and I got it repaired again.
So yes, the last repair was because the casing was cracked. I took it back in, and was extremely dissatisfied with their repair service. So after listening to all the bull**** they told me AGAIN (voided warranty due to bootloader unlock), I verified my entire phone and checked everything, to make sure everything worked and looked good. I left the place with a fully functioning phone with no yellow spots and unidentified black spots on the screen.
I left the HTC support center, which is a 30 minute ride from my home area (Mid-Levels), and went to my service provider (one2free), I requested to see the senior manager of the company, waited for 15 minutes, and then when I saw him, we requested to speak in a private level of the shop. All staff were forced out of the level, and we started yelling at him. After 45 minutes of constant replies saying "We can't replace your phone directly because firstly, your phone is over the 7 day in-store exchange warranty, and secondly, we need to ask HTC for permission first". At this time, it was around 10pm, and he finally gave in because he was a nice person and we were one of the extreme-VIPs with over 10 unlimited contracts per month (HKD 500/number = HKD5000 a month). After a while, he finally decided to change my phone to the Samsung Galaxy S II LTE phone, which I used for one week. I rooted that phone, and when I restarted CWM recovery, the softkeys broke, even after stock software restore, it was still broken, so they exchanged it for a new phone.
I missed my beloved HTC One X because of the speed and elegancy, so I decided to head over to 3 HK (Hutchison Telecom HK) and my friend took my Samsung Galaxy S II, then helped me get a brand new second batch HTC One X under his number and I was so happy. Flawless to the perfect detail.
That was my story. You guys have any stories on your warranties and HTCdev unlocks? Post below!

That's one hell of a story xD. Good to hear it all turned out well even though you had to go through all that ****. I want to root my phone but because of these stories I don't want to unlock the bootloader...
I have a small yellow dot on the left side of the screen. It's almost not visible only if you look closely on a white background. It doesn't bother me and I could've gotten worse problems so yeah I decided to be happy with this model.

The first post in this thread started on May 2 warned everyone that HTC's no longer providing warranty repairs if they detect a device has had third party s/w loaded on to it. You can unlock the bootloader and still get work done under warranty but you can't load non-official ROMs. There are at least three different threads discussing this and one provides a link to spam HTC's blog in the UK voicing disapproval of the new policy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466

Lol @ you yelling at them
And then taking the manager into a level and kicking the staff out to YELL at the manager aswel lol nice problem solving
They were a crap service and didn't help you much but after you kicking staff out of a level to yell at the manager
Don't expect the manager to help you out much even if you are "VIP" and you go off at the manager hes going to think your an arse and just find the fastest way to get rid of you
I used to work for a service provider in back end and the staff from front desk would always come out to the back and the first thing they'd say is "some prick just went off at me" and if its something that particular staff member didn't do and it was another staff members fault your name and "your a prick gets passed" around the office and nobody will want to help
The best way, is just let whoever your speaking to, know that youre not happy with the service your getting and that you're not actually angry at THAT person your speaking to
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Sounds like the device was fixed under warranty. His complaints are that he had to travel 30 minutes and ask more than once for repair.
He wanted a replacement device after voiding the warranty, but didn't want to pay for it, so they replaced the screen under warranty (twice?). And then the casing.
You can't please everybody.

I had a screen problem too but not a yellow spot. If i change the brightness to full and use a black wallpaper you can see a blue spot in the middle of the screen. This is my second HOX after i returned the first one through my carrier in australia because of screen flex and cracking and it took 2 weeks.
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how typical hk person OP is. (I am from HK as well, we are also known as the complain society)
voiding the warranty with htcdev before getting a replacement phone.
doesn't want to pay for repair even though the warranty is voided.
screaming and yelling...
A VIP expecting best services because his is an expensive phone (they use the more experienced to fix more complicated issues, not based on the phone price)
and then break yet another phone lol
Can't say I feel sorry about what happened to you :S

BarryH_GEG said:
The first post in this thread started on May 2 warned everyone that HTC's no longer providing warranty repairs if they detect a device has had third party s/w loaded on to it. You can unlock the bootloader and still get work done under warranty but you can't load non-official ROMs. There are at least three different threads discussing this and one provides a link to spam HTC's blog in the UK voicing disapproval of the new policy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631466
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Read the entire forum post a few days ago. I sent the device in with a relocked bootloader with the stock RUU reinstalled in it. I know that there was no "illegal software" (as they called it in the other port) present on the device when I sent it in 3 times.
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They were a crap service and didn't help you much but after you kicking staff out of a level to yell at the manager
Don't expect the manager to help you out much even if you are "VIP" and you go off at the manager hes going to think your an arse and just find the fastest way to get rid of you
I used to work for a service provider in back end and the staff from front desk would always come out to the back and the first thing they'd say is "some prick just went off at me" and if its something that particular staff member didn't do and it was another staff members fault your name and "your a prick gets passed" around the office and nobody will want to help
The best way, is just let whoever your speaking to, know that youre not happy with the service your getting and that you're not actually angry at THAT person your speaking to
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In Hong Kong, one2free/CSL 1O1O is the most "luxurious" and "prestigious" carriers out there for business and high-end markets, so they state. In theory they are supposed to give out good handsets and not flawed ones. Every handset could be flawed and the manufacturers don't want it to be flawed, but the fact that they had the policy of 7 day in-store exchange and I detected it one day after, is just stupid.
But, I know, we weren't actually actually mad at the person we were talking to, he was just trying to help. The other person who was actually furious was because of the phone. We resulted in a happy ending anyways, and that guy told him he wasn't angry at him, rather he was just angry at the service HTC had to provide. We're not that cold hearted you know
I understand where you're going where you said that reasoning is the best way to handle these types of situations, but then it also requires a bit of yelling, and I'll talk about it below.
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Sounds like the device was fixed under warranty. His complaints are that he had to travel 30 minutes and ask more than once for repair.
He wanted a replacement device after voiding the warranty, but didn't want to pay for it, so they replaced the screen under warranty (twice?). And then the casing.
You can't please everybody.
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Yes, you can't please everybody. But have a think about this: How could a repair center do such a crap job that they had to repair it 3 times consecutively? Did they not do a quality check after they fixed the device? I mean, even if I did want to just replace the screen, they should have done it more professionally, not break the casing while repairing the screen.
etismyname said:
how typical hk person OP is. (I am from HK as well, we are also known as the complain society)
voiding the warranty with htcdev before getting a replacement phone.
doesn't want to pay for repair even though the warranty is voided.
screaming and yelling...
A VIP expecting best services because his is an expensive phone (they use the more experienced to fix more complicated issues, not based on the phone price)
and then break yet another phone lol
Can't say I feel sorry about what happened to you :S
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We're not really classified as the "complain society", we just have many lazy people working for high-end companies and don't do ****, try to get rid of their assigned jobs as soon as possible and just slack off. Without requesting (yelling) to see the manager, they probably would just lie to you and say "Sorry! The manager is not here". As soon as they know how furious we are, they wouldn't mess with us and they would do their job properly.
Maybe if you lived in Hong Kong long enough and had the experience of poor service everywhere, you would know that yelling at them to get them to do something is the only way to get what you want.
If we didn't yell at them, they wouldn't have even prioritized this problem and just told us to leave with a broken phone because of a manufacturing defect on the phone THEY supplied.
This message is just to warn people that if you unlock your bootloader in Hong Kong, and you need a repair, they will repair, and not exchange, as many times as you want.
Hong Kong is a good place, but filled with lazy people due to the current social pressures. Let's say you try reasoning with them, without demanding them to look at your current VIP status, they would LITERALLY just ignore you, and tell you that they won't be able to replace it for you.
When you said "A VIP expecting best services because his is an expensive phone (they use the more experienced to fix more complicated issues, not based on the phone price)", I know where you're going at, you can't have everything. But try thinking, if you had your phone repaired, and then you knew it was an intern who repaired your phone, you would know it was poorly repaired or not, but most likely as your schemas will tell you that experts are more superior in skill that interns.
To be honest, I was fine with my repaired phone. It was the other guy I was with who had a bad day, and demanded that I go exchange my phone at my carrier. I gave my phone to him and went off looking at other phones, and he was just yelling at them in the private room. I didn't know how they actually got it exchanged, but the reasoning guy was there as well, so I guess after some demand to realize priority in this situation, and then 30 minutes of reasoning, everything worked out fine. I got my phone and left, really without saying a word.

Well, I have to agree that the repairwork sounds shoddy. When they fixed my DesireHD, they did great job in Yau Ma Tei.
And yes, service can be bad here.

Can I ask somethin about that famous yellow screen defect and flex issue?
Is it something that the phone comes with from the first day or is it developed gradually?
I mean, if we know that those are the 2 well-known issues, when we buy our phone we can check it for a couple of days and then root. Now, if the problem will develop later, we are in trouble. I'm waiting mine in a few weeks and that's why I ask.

Actually I am from hk lol
We are one hell of an abusive customer is king society.
I worked in service sector for half and it is insanely difficult to please any customers.
People asking for special favors or deals because they are buying expensive items.
I know that sometimes it feels like you have to get the situation serious for them to do anything. But most often when you have to go that far, you are disturbing other customer's who are being serviced.
The manager resolved to those solutions (such as giving a replacement phone when warrenty is void) is actually to shut you up asap. You aren't meant to get repair or replacement once warrenty is void (or so I think it is anyway).
Now that you or your fd has got it, you would feel it is their fault at the start for not just giving you one.
But you ain't supposed to have one.
So don't call them ridiculous, or need to yell to get them do something.
Generally these cases are out of standard routine and not fair for other customers
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As stated, I did all this at night, in a special room. No other customers were there, it was dead quiet.
The point isn't that I voided my warranty. It is half of what I'm saying. We were upset of the job HTC did to repair my phone. And obviously its not like they didn't take my phone because of the warranty void, it was that we wanted to exchange a defective phone 12 days after purchase, 5 days beyond in-store exchange. Even 3 has a 14 day in-store replacement service, why does 1O1O only have 7? That's what I'm saying. Hong Kong carriers don't really give a damn if you unlocked your bootloaders, they don't know how to even check, its only the HTC service center that does this.
The point is, I am supposed to be issued a replacement if the phone THEY supplied had a defect and I had to go exchange it three times. They didn't care for bootloader unlocks, they just cared for their stupid 7 day in-store warranty and their lack of support after that.
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SGS2 LTE rooted or not?
Dear Nicholas,
I have been doing exhilarating research about rooting these days because the information available for my phone is a little confusing, really. So I'm quite anxious about making mistakes and all, you know ;-) and getting into trouble like yours.
Now you have just briefly mentioned here that:
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After a while, he finally decided to change my phone to the Samsung Galaxy S II LTE phone, which I used for one week. I rooted that phone, and when I restarted CWM recovery, the softkeys broke, even after stock software restore, it was still broken, so they exchanged it for a new phone.
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I just got a new GT-I9210 LTE and the rooting information is very confusing everywhere, people using Skyrocket ROMs and such claiming they're the same, but many saying the soft keys broke. Apparently this particular model doesn't have a solid community of users like Nexus or others. So I'm quite anxious about making mistakes and all, you know ;-)
And I happened to come across your post in another thread titled "[Q] Samsung Galaxy S II LTE Root [SOLVED]" from May 9, where you said that you successfully rooted SGS2 LTE (your mentioned specs exactly match mine) and your soft keys and everything works perfectly.
Now, I'm not trying to catch you out or anything, I was very excited when I found your instructions there first but I am just wondering, is this the same phone you are talking about here and there?
I would like to follow your method if it really worked.

Wrong Rom: A Cautionary Tale

I'd like to share with you all my tale of rom flashing gone horribly wrong. It's really only important for 2 pieces of misinformation that I've seen kicking around the forums. First, the story.
I had already rooted my Telus Galaxy S3 (SGH-i747M), but was still running stock. I started looking around for compatible roms running JB, but didn't have much luck (finding ones that support the Canadian version is not easy). At the same time, I had to update and reset my old Galaxy S2 for a relative who was taking it off my hands. I found a JB rom that was available for both the S2 and S3, from the same dev. I decided to try both out, downloaded them and copied the respective files to the S2 and S3, but quickly realized that the S3 version didn't support my Canadian phone. No problem, I'll leave the S3 as rooted stock.
I proceeded to flash and install the rom on my S2. Everything seemed to be going fine until the first reboot after flashing. The phone appeared to be completely dead. I tried putting the phone into download mode but it was completely dead and would not even show signs that it was plugged into a power outlet. Then, horror. Both my S2 and S3 are in Otterbox Commuter cases. They look very similar. At 1 in the morning in a dimly lit room, they look identical.
Yes. Like an idiot, I had installed the incompatible S3 rom to my Canadian S3. I had, in fact, hard bricked my phone. I set aside my grief for 10 minutes and got the S2 done, as that was the original goal of this adventure. That worked fine. Of course.
For the next several hours and most of the following day, I searched and searched. I ended up on the posts talking about QHSUSB_DLOAD and how I'd screwed myself. No hope. Only option is either JTAG service or, and this brings me to misinformation #1, sending it back to Samsung. Why send a rooted and screwed phone back to Samsung? Well, the argument was that in all likeliness they wouldn't be able to tell and would probably just get it up and running anyway, perhaps with some nominal fee. Also, and here comes misinformation #2, there was a good chance that they would have to fix the problem in order to verify it.
Thankfully, in my only intelligent move in the last year, I had opted to choose the extra device protection offered by my carrier. Which meant, if it wasn't covered under warranty, I could get a brand new phone at a significantly reduced rate. But it did mean I had to send it in to Samsung first. And so, I walked into a carrier store and simply stated that it wouldn't power up. I neglected to mention the whole "I'm an idiot and accidentally installed an incompatible rom at 1AM". At the end of the day, they don't care anyway.
So I waited for almost 3 weeks before getting an update from my carrier. Samsung had looked at it and had a quote. I called the store to find out the cost. The phone needs a new mainboard. $350+ (I remember it being more than $350 but less than $400). Ah, no thank you. I politely declined and contacted the company providing the device protection. No problem, phone would be in my hands in 2-3 business days. I just need to send the damaged phone back when I get it from Samsung.
When the phone did get back from Samsung (within 24 hours, I might add), it came with a note to the carrier indicating that the phone had been rooted. The store manager actually made a good point too. If they were able to get it up and running to figure out it was rooted, why did it need a new mainboard? In all likeliness, they just wanted to teach me a $350+ lesson in voiding the warranty. So, what did I learn from this experience?
1) If you are rooting multiple phones, don't leave them all laying around in identical cases in a dimly lit room at 1AM.
2) Don't root phones in a dimly lit room at 1AM.
3) If you royally mess up your bootloader and it won't boot up, Samsung can still boot up that phone.
4) If that same phone is rooted, Samsung can not only tell, but ensure that the phone remains in it's screwed state for return.
5) They might just try and teach you a $350+ lesson; my guess is this ultimately depends on who looks at it (just like walking into an Apple store and walking out with a replacement, prior to Applecare+).
If anyone is curious why I didn't JTAG service the phone, it's simply because I can't afford to wait that long without a phone and the cost difference between JTAG and my device protection plan is not significant.

I think the are full of it.. I bet they did not even boot it up.

It would be possible for them to boot into download mode using a JTAG device, flash a working bootloader and at the very least load up a recovery environment terminal to check for root access. This is assuming of course they couldn't do this directly from their JTAG skipping having to fix the bootloader. Even so whats to stop them flashing a non working bootloader back to the device after they found what they are looking for. Not only would this not take very long, for the chance at turning 350 bucks work of profit vs a warranty fix im sure the techs are required to do this. This of course doesn't justify the obvious fact that a replacement motherboard is completely ridiculous. I'm of the opinion that it isn't right to cheat the manufacturers by getting warranty replacements on user created errors, however if they are attempting to gouge the end user instead of just charge them to fix the problem then i say all's fair. Lets face it, its not as if they don't take these warranty devices, especially the hard bricked ones, and simply fix the software, repackage and sell them again.

Exactly. I sent it in and fully expected some kind of charge, like labor, to get it working again. But not almost $400.

Yea, that is pretty lame. Its no different than a damaged led lens, which they charge the full LED assembly price of $175 instead of just fixing the problem. I just did this today on my phone for $20 and an hour or so of my time.

Wow that sucks. At least your other phone still works.
sent from my rooted galaxy 3.6

Noob question:
Did you use Triangle Away? If they can just boot up the device and find if you have root access, is the point of Triangle Away just aesthetics?

I think that is more or less an easy give away the uneducated rep at the sales counter can look for.

i must confess i've rooted my phone dozens of times, and i can say that over 80% of those were in the dark after midnight.

Yeah, me too. It only takes one mistake though ...

yes rooting is such another .apk on the phone and certainly does not void the hardware warranty... Obviouisly they should charge you for software issues which you did.. did you get the phone back and have someone else jtag and fix it?

No. I have to send it back in to the company I have device protection through. But I have a new S3 already. JTAG would probably work, but it would take too long and isn't much cheaper than getting the new one.
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And yeah your full of it lmao. I had a galaxy s3 that just stopped working after being left in charger a night. Took it.to a rsi (Samsung official customer service and service center here in dallas Texas) and they said the motherboard was ruined. And it was stock non rooted. And it was covered under warranty and they had to create a new imei for the phone. So $350? Yeah right
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Sorry, I'm full of it? Your phone is non rooted, so your point is completely moot. Your phone legitimately died. Mine was screwed because of my own fault of flashing the wrong rom. There was and is nothing wrong with the motherboard on this phone. They were just trying to teach me a $350 lesson in rooting/voiding my warranty. But thanks for your insightful comment.

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Sorry, I'm full of it? Your phone is non rooted, so your point is completely moot. Your phone legitimately died. Mine was screwed because of my own fault of flashing the wrong rom. There was and is nothing wrong with the motherboard on this phone. They were just trying to teach me a $350 lesson in rooting/voiding my warranty. But thanks for your insightful comment.
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happened to be last night,only option was to JTAG it so sent it to MTV Mobile Tech Videos,sucks ass....will se how long i am in Texas and sent it to Bryan Texas.Hopefully Get it back albeit in one piece by Wednesday Meanwhile i have no Phone.

This is not to offend anyone or cause a flamme war.
But I don't think people should be lying to Samsung or any carrier, that 1. Your phone isn't bricked/rooted and 2. That you have no idea of what's going on and it just wouldn't turn on.
You as a user should hold all responsibility for a bricked device. Should they charge you 400$? Damn right they should.
That's one of the many reasons why Samsung and many other carriers either ship their devices with locked bootloaders or don't release source code. And don't say the whole "I played 500$ for my phone I get to do what I want," yeah you're completely right. But let's say you're changing your cars oil and the person being the n00b that they are decides to mix synthetic oil and convention oil in the engine. Oh no you're screwed. You dont take your car to the dealership saying "I don't know what happened the engine just won't turn on," THEYRE GOING TO KNOW lol, and expect to get a free car or not get charged for your miss hap. C'mon. If you screw up at least be responsible to pay some kind of fee to get it fixed. I despise folks who "try to play the system" because of them phones will be locked down in the near future. Now its illegal to carrier unlock your device unless its paid for because of folks like that. I understand the OPs mistake. Yeah I've done it. But I paid to fix my mistake. Be responsible people. We're grown ups here. Same with flashing stuff. Do a little reading before you start a thread on how you "bricked your phone" but its really stuck in a boot loop.
Just my 2¢
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I couldn't read all of that I must have a terrible attention span these days.
But I did read that you were with telus, not at&t; but of course its morally wrong to lie to at&t but the way I see it is I pay them $2000+ over the course of my contract for this phone and if I want to take advantage of their warranty system to save $300-400 (a small fraction of what they're making off of 1 customer) and try my best to get a free replacement you can bet your ass I will.

Heisenberg420 said:
I couldn't read all of that I must have a terrible attention span these days.
But I did read that you were with telus, not at&t; but of course its morally wrong to lie to at&t but the way I see it is I pay them $2000+ over the course of my contract for this phone and if I want to take advantage of their warranty system to save $300-400 (a small fraction of what they're making off of 1 customer) and try my best to get a free replacement you can bet your ass I will.
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I see were you're getting at but you pay ATT for a service, not a phone. Those 300-400$ are for Samsung, which is different. They're kind of giving you a discount. Phone cost 700$ but they'll kindly replace it for 300$ they're being lenient about it.
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bionemesis said:
If anyone is curious why I didn't JTAG service the phone, it's simply because I can't afford to wait that long without a phone and the cost difference between JTAG and my device protection plan is not significant.
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JTAG costs $50 and has a two day return.

Did you try a jig to force the phone into download mode.?

Wifi + Bluetooth not enabling anymore

Dear Forum Members,
I don't know what to do anymore. I am at your mercy. Tried everything I can. Can't seem to solve it myself.
I bought me Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 SM-T800 1 1/2 years ago and was extremely happy with it. Everything worked like a dream. I rooted it after a few weeks because I wanted to get a network going. No problems at all. A few days ago I turned it on and I didn't have any Wifi and Bluetooth was also not turned on. I don't use Bluetooth but it was on at default. I tried working with my router, modem, you name it, it wasn't my connection, so then I tried the tablet itself. Some people said it was SideSync, so I removed that, didn't do anything. I was still using android 4.4.2 so I installed 5.0.2 unrooted and that didn't do anything. After that I wiped everything and went to factory default, no difference. In the end, I looked everywhere, even removed the back panel to see if a connection was loose but everything looks fine. I did another clean install from a firmware installed from the Samsung website to make sure and still, same problem.
I rooted the device, so my warranty is gone.
I don't know what to do now. I use the tablet a lot but mostly online but can't anymore.
I would be very grateful if someone could help. This tablet means a lot to me. My little Sammy :crying:

Nobody?
Edit: Have tried starting in safe mode and nothing changes.
It did work one morning for like half an hour for some reason. Very strange. Then it stopped working again. It does now sometimes show some networks in the area and bluetooth does work sometimes but it wifi and bluetooth disconnects immediately if you connect.

I was in the same situation as you. I ended up sending my device into Samsung for warranty repair. I sent out it last week, and I received it back Tuesday afternoon. Crazy thing was, when they sent it back, there was no paperwork in the box. *Yikes*

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I was in the same situation as you. I ended up sending my device into Samsung for warranty repair. I sent out it last week, and I received it back Tuesday afternoon. Crazy thing was, when they sent it back, there was no paperwork in the box. *Yikes*
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Thanks for sharing your experience, did it in the end get repaired?
Here is what happened with my device.
I contacted the shop and they wanted to send it to a verified repair shop and that I might need to pay money because I rooted my device. In the European constitution it says that if it is not caused by rooting, they can't void the warranty, so I mentioned that and they said it was true but the repair shop was the one who should make sure what the problem is, not them. But I found it a bit fishy so I searched on Twitter for a Samsung account and contacted a very nice woman on there. I asked here about my problem, said what the shop was going to do, she asked what the repair shop's name was and verified it was a good one. She even helped with some tests to see if some things wouldn't solve the problem. Asked her about the warranty and she told me about the European constitution law and that if it wasn't caused by a software problem, it shouldn't cost me anything.
The shop I was talking with saw me talking with them and I think they freaked out a bit. They sent me and the woman from Samsung a message what I wanted to do and I wanted to send it in for repair. I did this and a week later I got it back at no cost and the motherboard was busted. I did get paperwork with my package. Even got my original box back with it and my original cord. Even got a new USB cord for the trouble.
My Sammy is working like a charm again and I love it to bits! Samsung has greet service on Twitter and the repair service is also great!:good:

Giant Shadow Lurker said:
Thanks for sharing your experience, did it in the end get repaired?
Here is what happened with my device.
I contacted the shop and they wanted to send it to a verified repair shop and that I might need to pay money because I rooted my device. In the European constitution it says that if it is not caused by rooting, they can't void the warranty, so I mentioned that and they said it was true but the repair shop was the one who should make sure what the problem is, not them. But I found it a bit fishy so I searched on Twitter for a Samsung account and contacted a very nice woman on there. I asked here about my problem, said what the shop was going to do, she asked what the repair shop's name was and verified it was a good one. She even helped with some tests to see if some things wouldn't solve the problem. Asked her about the warranty and she told me about the European constitution law and that if it wasn't caused by a software problem, it shouldn't cost me anything.
The shop I was talking with saw me talking with them and I think they freaked out a bit. They sent me and the woman from Samsung a message what I wanted to do and I wanted to send it in for repair. I did this and a week later I got it back at no cost and the motherboard was busted. I did get paperwork with my package. Even got my original box back with it and my original cord. Even got a new USB cord for the trouble.
My Sammy is working like a charm again and I love it to bits! Samsung has greet service on Twitter and the repair service is also great!:good:
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Oops.... I forgot to mention it... but yes my device was repaired. It had root going to the shop and they didn't say anything about it being rooted. I am just not exactly sure of what they fixed so I think I am going to call in tonight and see what they did to resolve the issue.
So far, so good with it.
Here's what I hate though.... there's 1000s of folks all experiencing this very same problem as what we were experiencing. My warranty is up in just a few days because i didn't purchase an extended warranty from the place I purchased it from (BestBuy). I don't even know how long the warranty is on whatever repairs that they did. *Yikes*
BUT, I am glad you were able to get your issue resolved as well. That's awesome!

I think it's a design flaw in the first few models. Most devices these days have problems at the beginning when they come out. Dare I mention the XBOX360 that was a problem for it's entire run. I had the luck of only having to repair one but I have known people who had to send in multiple or buy multiple new ones. I probably sound like a grandpa at 28 years old but they don't make things like they used to. They test things in the field on paying customers and that is horrible. Same even counts for pharmaceutical products, it's horrible. But people buy and if demand keeps asking, they keep pumping stuff out. It's not about making a product to be proud about, it's about money, and making money as fast as possible. It's understandable to a degree, but the extremes most companies go to is just ridiculous and the people they hurt with it is even worse. But the market is also way to competitive to not do those things. They would go bankrupt in a year or less if they would do it in a fair and honest way. The world isn't fair and honest. It's a bitter view on the world and the market but these wonderful devices get made in horrible conditions by people that get payed horrible wages commanded by people that get payed incredible wages. In the end, there have to be people that are on the losing side and that are often customers and laborers. And normal people can't win from a big company, whatever they do.
Sorry for the rant. I feel very strongly about injustice in jobs and the unfairness in the world. I really wish we could go back to a time where people are proud of the things they make and sell and everyone would profit from it in some way.
What I have noticed ever since my tablet returned is that my battery is lasting much longer. Maybe it's the new motherboard or they put in a new battery pack. Have you noticed this as well after the repair?