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Carrier IQ

Rafael Rivera has just twitted back that Windows Phones do not have Carrier IQ.
UPDATE: Joe Belfiore has twitted that Windows Phone doesn't have Carrier IQ.
I am glad that Microsoft didn't permit this little "extra" on Windows Phone.
If you don't know Carrier IQ is, you'll be able to find it on the front page of The Huffington Post and other new sites. In short terms, it records anything (and everything) you do on your phone and sent it back to the mothership, Carrier IQ, Inc.
Direct link to The Huffington Post article

**** crazy!!!!!
Blackberry, Nokia, Android, who else !!!!!

vetvito said:
**** crazy!!!!!
Blackberry, Nokia, Android, who else !!!!!
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That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...

andrewkeith5 said:
That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
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IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.

scoobysnacks said:
IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
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Both iOS and Windows Phone have had their moments, but they no where as extensive as this.

andrewkeith5 said:
That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
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You guess wrong.
scoobysnacks said:
IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
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That "scandal" was proven completely baseless. The GPS data that was stored was never transmitted anywhere, and was the result of a iOS bug (which has been fixed).
Was it also a "scandal" that a bug in NoDo (which I understand has been fixed in Mango) caused WP7 devices to continue to store and transmit users' location data, even when they had specifically opted out of that feature?

Thank god that such a thing isn't allowed in Europe. Therefore it isn't installed on any European device.

RoboDad said:
You guess wrong.
That "scandal" was proven completely baseless. The GPS data that was stored was never transmitted anywhere, and was the result of a iOS bug (which has been fixed).
Was it also a "scandal" that a bug in NoDo (which I understand has been fixed in Mango) caused WP7 devices to continue to store and transmit users' location data, even when they had specifically opted out of that feature?
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I smell an angry IOS fanboy lol...
Proof that was proven to be FALSE there fanboy?
---------- Post added at 01:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:29 AM ----------
if anything what you said was completely false...
They were logging it, apparently only to point out hot spots and such, though how is that known?
http://9to5mac.com/2011/04/27/apple-sets-the-record-straight-on-location-tracking-promises-fix/

Sorry fanboy, but I'm not the fanboy here. I just have zero tolerance for hyperbole (and illiteracy, since you apparently are not able to read the link you posted, which confirms exactly what I posted earlier). And FYI, I don't even own an iPhone.
And I notice that you also conveniently ignored the fact that Microsoft was transmitting user location data from WP7 devices, and was sued for it in September.

morpheuszg said:
Thank god that such a thing isn't allowed in Europe. Therefore it isn't installed on any European device.
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On the Evo 3D, where much of this began, the European/GSM version of the phone actually has the ability to log more than the CDMA one. But, it's also important to note that just because it logs, or has the ability to log, something most of that information is never sent anywhere.
The problem is there's absolutely no way to stop it from running without modifying the ROM, so it always sits in the back ground showing down the phone and wasting space. Not to mention the risk of information links.
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RoboDad said:
Sorry fanboy, but I'm not the fanboy here. I just have zero tolerance for hyperbole (and illiteracy, since you apparently are not able to read the link you posted, which confirms exactly what I posted earlier). And FYI, I don't even own an iPhone.
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This is the Windows Phone section, nobody should be surprised that there might be a bit of a bias in some people. Some things are worth calling out, this is so minor that it could have been left alone.

PG2G said:
This is the Windows Phone section, nobody should be surprised that there might be a bit of a bias in some people. Some things are worth calling out, this is so minor that it could have been left alone.
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You're probably right. I should know what to expect from him, but I let it get the better of me.
In any case (trying to get back on topic), it is a good thing that at least two of the major phone OS companies (Microsoft and Apple) have enough respect for their customers' privacy to not allow CIQ on their phones. The only thing that concerns me is that Nokia has apparently been favorable to it on their other phones. I just hope this doesn't end up affecting WP7/WP8 down the road.

I like how you ignored the quote I posted lol..
For the record, carrier IQ was also found on IOS
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/11/30/2601875/carrier-iq-references-discovered-apple-ios-iphone

I guess I'm glad my HD2 is now running Mango instead of Gingerbread.

What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable. If that backdoor is possible, who's to say they can't turn on or install ciq anytime they want ?
This is not an ios/android/bb/wp issue, if you leave the door open, it will be used.
Root, rom, irradicate ?

I personally am not of the opinion that CIQ is bad. Let's be honest, we know from the London riots earlier this year that it clearly isn't used by the authorities as it took weeks for Blackberry to give up their BBM logs.
In my opinion, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about it. I don't have a problem with my phone logging what I do - it might make it easier to find and fix a fault one day - but then, I don't have anything to hide. If I did, I probably would use something a bit more secure than the base apps on my off-the-shelf mobile.

ohgood said:
What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable.
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First of all, when MS has some "backdoor" in their OS, that´s ok, if RIM has on theirs BB OS, that´s ok, if Apple has one on their iOS, that´s also ok. But if a third party company has this kind of malware on the device, that´s not OK.
Another thing, why are you so sure that MS has some kind of backdoor on Windows Phone 7 OS?

Why did Robo disappear when it was confirmed this was found on iOS?

ohgood said:
What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable. If that backdoor is possible, who's to say they can't turn on or install ciq anytime they want ?
This is not an ios/android/bb/wp issue, if you leave the door open, it will be used.
Root, rom, irradicate ?
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IOS, blackberry, and android all have remote removal and remote wipe cabilitites on their phones as well. To my knowledge none of the companies (including Microsoft) have ever used the remote uninstall capability.

andrewkeith5 said:
I personally am not of the opinion that CIQ is bad. Let's be honest, we know from the London riots earlier this year that it clearly isn't used by the authorities as it took weeks for Blackberry to give up their BBM logs.
In my opinion, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about it. I don't have a problem with my phone logging what I do - it might make it easier to find and fix a fault one day - but then, I don't have anything to hide. If I did, I probably would use something a bit more secure than the base apps on my off-the-shelf mobile.
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It has less to do with having something to hide than having information misused. There have been plenty of people convicted of crimes they did not commit. And that info could be used to prosecute you for someone else's crime. Criminals don't necessarily carry a phone that is tracking their location.

FBI = CIQ

http://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...rrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/
Thanks all you devs for keeping us safe from the people who are supposed to be keeping is safe!

crzchn said:
http://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...rrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/
Thanks all you devs for keeping us safe from the people who are supposed to be keeping is safe!
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Looks like the FOIA request was denied because the data the FBI has is currently part of an investigation. It is possible that the investigation is into CarrierIQ instead of some person. It may be sign of a good thing.
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That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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Dwayneiztheshyt said:
That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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lol.. hopefully they use it for the greater good.... thats all i would have to say, there is a lot of sickos out there.

Dwayneiztheshyt said:
That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
But if they want to know something, they will find a way. I think, however, we should not make it easy for them.

crzchn said:
Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
But if they want to know something, they will find a way. I think, however, we should not make it easy for them.
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Aha ha I agree!
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crzchn said:
Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
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Actually you can disable CIQ once you are rooted without needing a custom ROM.

the worst part about ciq and other non government agencies collecting data is that they are used by the fbi and cia to share info... which is illegal through direct channels. also, a third party collecting our info and delivering it to the carriers is totally unacceptable. theres tons of threads in the OG epic forums... as thats where konane first found and decided to kill CIQ. i honestly wonder if all the anti-ciq stuff really started there... then the tech pundit sites reported what was in these forums as usual... then the mainstream noticed... idunno. as far as plots to take over the world/bring down systems... keep it analog like good music. all the major telecoms have an open door policy w the feds... so its not like they would need CIQ for normal investigations... and they have a grace period to get warrants after they look at the info... patriot acts sealed the fate of privacy and liberty in this country. all because of a now dead boogeyman living in a cave... good job america... something about a jackboot on a human head... forever...
/rant

nivron said:
Looks like the FOIA request was denied because the data the FBI has is currently part of an investigation. It is possible that the investigation is into CarrierIQ instead of some person. It may be sign of a good thing.
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It's the FBI. You don't think while they are combing through all that data while investigating CIQ they won't "stumble" upon certain things? Or mirror those servers? Or realize how useful to them CIQ is and say they've found nothing wrong with what CIQ or the carriers are doing?
Do you think for a moment the FBI isn't already using CIQ as a resource to catch 'terrorists'? Like how the airlines use full body scanners and the TSA to catch 'terrorists' with the same high (lmao!) efficiency.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/12/12/fbi-says-carrieriq-may-be-used-in-law-enforcement-proceedings/
Not saying you think any of that, just making a point. I'm pretty sure most of us are on the same page with this crap.

I think even if it is big brother watching over us, who cares? For the 99.99999999% of the US population, nothing your talking about is that important or a danger, for the small fraction of the folks that this applies to, i welcome it. I do however take issue with the fact that once the lid was blown off, how the company responded (legal action against Treve) and their continued un-truth's. Do we really think that this sort of monitoring isn't taking place now? Pretty much anytime you use a computer/IT resource for any company or agency, you consent to monitoring, the difference is declaration.

sfhub said:
Actually you can disable CIQ once you are rooted without needing a custom ROM.
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Actually the code may be embedded deeper than we thought. Not just at the system or kernel level, but further. I'm no microprocessor engineer but doesn't almost every chip have instruction sets or at least some sort of code written into it? Because when CIQ itself says one of the 3 methods of loading it on the device is at the hardware level - that's what it sounds like to me. Literally the chips are programed with CIQ in the code.
Remove that.

then we would have to disable it in drivers

xlGmanlx said:
I think even if it is big brother watching over us, who cares? For the 99.99999999% of the US population, nothing your talking about is that important or a danger, for the small fraction of the folks that this applies to, i welcome it. I do however take issue with the fact that once the lid was blown off, how the company responded (legal action against Treve) and their continued un-truth's. Do we really think that this sort of monitoring isn't taking place now? Pretty much anytime you use a computer/IT resource for any company or agency, you consent to monitoring, the difference is declaration.
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Oh man, here we go with the "I don't have anything to hide so why should I care" section of this conversation.
I'm not embarrassed about having sex but I sure as hell am not going to let you watch. It's called privacy. Has nothing to do with having things to hide, it has to do with the basic human right to have our own space, time, thoughts, gadgets, property, voice, opinion, and so on.
There are no saints either. Everybody has lied, cheated, stolen, done something wrong that would get them in trouble. Sometimes it was a mistake or even an accident. Does that mean black helicopters should have descended on you to whisk you away to a 5x5 cell without trial? No, and why without trial? Because at this point they don't need a warrant and as per the Patriot Act you don't even have to be charged with something to be held for, well, forever. So no trial is the next logical step.
Just a little interesting fact, the US Patriot Act is actually an acronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act"

just calling out the fact that more than likely this already takes place and we didn't even know it before and how many CIQ's were there before them? Also, I think you are making the same similar leap. CIQ is step one, step 2 is no trial/minority report type tactics? I agree that privacy when possible should be maintained, but lets not be naive and think that it hasn't already happened.
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Prime example of the worst offender? Facebook, yet no one is up in arms about that......

I never doubted the gov would trace. Glad its gone.

This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
If you have nothing to hide then you really shouldn't worry, regardless.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us weather you believe it or not. Just like with every system there are flaws that doesn't mean we should abolish them, but rather make them better !!
Pete

xlGmanlx said:
just calling out the fact that more than likely this already takes place and we didn't even know it before and how many CIQ's were there before them? Also, I think you are making the same similar leap. CIQ is step one, step 2 is no trial/minority report type tactics? I agree that privacy when possible should be maintained, but lets not be naive and think that it hasn't already happened.
Prime example of the worst offender? Facebook, yet no one is up in arms about that......
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You can choose weather or not to participate with Facebook, and it is in their TOS, CIQ however, was not.

pasta1234 said:
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us ....
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Protect us from what?
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Agreed, and I believe this was a huge oversight on their part. The point i was trying to make is there are plenty of other spaces where the privacy is willing given away with little notification and facebook is one of them. Hell they have been told they are to comply with any audits for the next 20 years.
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You can choose weather or not to participate with Facebook, and it is in their TOS, CIQ however, was not.
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pasta1234 said:
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
If you have nothing to hide then you really shouldn't worry, regardless.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us weather you believe it or not. Just like with every system there are flaws that doesn't mean we should abolish them, but rather make them better !!
Pete
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Ugh, that argument just makes me sick. Those agencies are trying to protect their livelihood, which comes from protecting us, but it's not the same thing. Police detectives get promotions partly based on their case closure rates, that means they have self interest in closing cases that might not be quite airtight. Because who doesn't want a promotion, with the prestige and money that comes with it. The CIA was certain iraq had WMD's, and was trying to obtain yellowcake uranium from Niger, because blockbuster findings like that lead to more funding, which means more turf for those section directors. They aren't all bad obviously, on the contrary I'm certain most of them want to do the right thing. It's the few that don't because they care more about their career than anything else, or the guy that is trying to do the right thing but simply gets it wrong. Mistakes happen, data gets misread or incorrectly analyzed, and people suffer for it. I don't want to be that unlucky person, so I don't want that crap operating on my phone.

Can they do this?

See my other thread "USB connected" error over and over to get the jist of what's been going on, but basically I've been having a hell of a time getting Sprint to replace my Epic for what is obviously a hardware issue.
My phone was completely EC05 stock when I brought it in, the tech has flashed it back to EC05 twice now with what he calls their "Slate" program, I had a little disagreement w him, so I emailed the manager. This is how he responded, he essentially banned my serial number from replacement at all service centers in the region. Read this ****, it's ridiculous. I seriously felt like everyone at that store are buddy-buddy and that they just make fun of customers behind their back, they ALL had bad attitudes.
"Tyler,
I want to start out by acknowledging your extensive background in the Navy and commends you on your position as a communications electrician. Very admirable of you to serve our country and on behalf of my staff and all of Sprint for that matter, I would personally like to thank you for your services.
As far as this matter is concerned, I appreciate your feedback and I apologize if there is some tension that has formed over this issue between you and our technician.
I have read your email and have discussed this issue with my technician and our senior technician within our district. The conclusions that have been drawn through conversations between you and our technician, as well as applications that were present when originally checking in your device, is that the original manufactures software that comes with the device was modified through processes of rooting. XDA is a common feedback forum often consulted between users that modify their devices that will bypass certain restrictions the manufactures software will prohibit specific conduct per request and demand of the contract between Sprint and the manufacturer. Once this softwares' integrity has been compromised, the manufacturers warranty is no longer valid and even when doing a hard reset to restore the original software, the default software may have glitches from time to time.
As of right now, our district has been notified of this issue and of the serial number of this device, and will not be permitted for exchange at any of our service centers. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause from your current expectations of our service centers. I can assure you though, I have looked into this matter with great detail and the proper procedure has been followed under our policies and procedures regarding your transaction.
Moving on, I would like to touch basis on the importance we put in maintaining a high standard of customer service at our Cypress location and discuss your concern of the attitudes of my employees. It has been brought to my attention that profanity on your behalf, was used toward them in a derogatory intention that I do not tolerate. I understand the frustration and disagreement that you have regarding our procedures but civility is necessary to communicate effectively. I will not speak for Mr. Hessey while adressing this matter, but encourage you to take into consideration how you played a role in this matter. I welcome you to contact me at the store if you have any further questions regarding my response or decision that has been made in regards to this matter at 7148914911.
Store Manager"

That's bull. Try the other service centers anyway if you haven't already. Lots of Sprint techs are assholes, don't let it get to you.

That's why I always say play stupid never mention rooting or anything it always comes back to bite you in the ass.... on a side note You should read them their waranty service on rooted phones.. they clearly state if it is considered hardware and purely nonsoftware they cannot deny you service
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Wow. What a-holes
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there is a thread here that actually has the statement that you could print out. i can't seem to find it right now that biggoron is talking about.
edit: found the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227396

Unless they found it rooted they don't legally have ****. He's trying to attribute having the xda forum app as proof you rooted? All you have to do is say you used it for info on bugs and quick tips, info on devices, or whatever the ****. That guys a friggin prick in how he's trying to "prove" this and I say every single person on this thread calls that number harrassingly one by one asking for this **** and tell him he's a lying douchebag.
Rofl deviating from the stock software forever ruins the device? Are they ****ing retarded or just full of ****. I'm thinking the latter.
I'm calling.
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Dude pm me your name bro. I'm gonna call on your behalf and say I'm a member of xda and that the only reason you were on there was to ask questions on how to use your device.
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Zeinzu said:
Unless they found it rooted they don't legally have ****. He's trying to attribute having the xda forum app as proof you rooted? All you have to do is say you used it for info on bugs and quick tips, info on devices, or whatever the ****. That guys a friggin prick in how he's trying to "prove" this and I say every single person on this thread calls that number harrassingly one by one asking for this **** and tell him he's a lying douchebag.
Rofl deviating from the stock software forever ruins the device? Are they ****ing retarded or just full of ****. I'm thinking the latter.
I'm calling.
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I agree guys an ass and just having an xda doesn't prove you're rooted... give em hell zeinzu!
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you know i always wondered that because i have the paid xda app so even when they reflash it shows up on the market. my screen is going out. it is weird it looks like back in the day with the old cable boxes and you could kinda get hbo but the screen has alot of lines. i have flashed it back to stock about 4 times but every time i go to bring it in the screen doesn't do it so i don't want them to be like there is nothing wrong with this. it only does it on a white screen thou. but the last time it happen my screen had a yellowish tint to it. but it went away. i want it to get worse enough proof to get it replace.

All you have to say is "thank you for replying, I will have a talk with my lawyer about this and Ill get back to you"
Scare tactics ftw.
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FPJ said:
All you have to say is "thank you for replying, I will have a talk with my lawyer about this and Ill get back to you"
Scare tactics ftw.
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This. :0
Epic.
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theMallacht said:
See my other thread "USB connected" error over and over to get the jist of what's been going on, but basically I've been having a hell of a time getting Sprint to replace my Epic for what is obviously a hardware issue.
My phone was completely EC05 stock when I brought it in, the tech has flashed it back to EC05 twice now with what he calls their "Slate" program, I had a little disagreement w him, so I emailed the manager. This is how he responded, he essentially banned my serial number from replacement at all service centers in the region. Read this ****, it's ridiculous. I seriously felt like everyone at that store are buddy-buddy and that they just make fun of customers behind their back, they ALL had bad attitudes.
"Tyler,
I want to start out by acknowledging your extensive background in the Navy and commends you on your position as a communications electrician. Very admirable of you to serve our country and on behalf of my staff and all of Sprint for that matter, I would personally like to thank you for your services.
As far as this matter is concerned, I appreciate your feedback and I apologize if there is some tension that has formed over this issue between you and our technician.
I have read your email and have discussed this issue with my technician and our senior technician within our district. The conclusions that have been drawn through conversations between you and our technician, as well as applications that were present when originally checking in your device, is that the original manufactures software that comes with the device was modified through processes of rooting. XDA is a common feedback forum often consulted between users that modify their devices that will bypass certain restrictions the manufactures software will prohibit specific conduct per request and demand of the contract between Sprint and the manufacturer. Once this softwares' integrity has been compromised, the manufacturers warranty is no longer valid and even when doing a hard reset to restore the original software, the default software may have glitches from time to time.
As of right now, our district has been notified of this issue and of the serial number of this device, and will not be permitted for exchange at any of our service centers. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause from your current expectations of our service centers. I can assure you though, I have looked into this matter with great detail and the proper procedure has been followed under our policies and procedures regarding your transaction.
Moving on, I would like to touch basis on the importance we put in maintaining a high standard of customer service at our Cypress location and discuss your concern of the attitudes of my employees. It has been brought to my attention that profanity on your behalf, was used toward them in a derogatory intention that I do not tolerate. I understand the frustration and disagreement that you have regarding our procedures but civility is necessary to communicate effectively. I will not speak for Mr. Hessey while adressing this matter, but encourage you to take into consideration how you played a role in this matter. I welcome you to contact me at the store if you have any further questions regarding my response or decision that has been made in regards to this matter at 7148914911.
Cory Swan
Store Manager
Cypress"
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Ok buddy, if u want some very strong fire power on ur end, here is what u can do. Send a copy of that to the fcc, better business bereau consumers union and a lawyer. It is against the law to black list "any esn" unless phone is reported lost, stolen or cloned. Ur phone was software modified. That's it.
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One more thing. Attached with letter a copy of sprints policy.
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One more thing again, attach a picture of you in uniform lol. How dare they blacklist a vet....shame on them. Sueeeee! Lol
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Fp, u have jokes. Lol
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Not to mention throw in there was no actual modification on your device, and that they "speculated" based on a completely legitimate forum application. Also still pm me your name I'm egging to go off on this guy. I use to work for Sprint not even that long ago for a few years and would love to school him on the legalities and policies that keep him from ever having the authority to do this.
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as ****ty as it is to say and im gonna hate myself for doing this but they can do that he cant do it because of suspected rooting but the fact where he says that you used profanity against their employee is why he can do it its in the ToS:
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information
sorry man this really sucks i still say call and give that jackoff hell just because its what i would do but with that seems like he really can keep you from servicing your phone since that is one of your "contracted services"

FPJ said:
One more thing again, attach a picture of you in uniform lol. How dare they blacklist a vet....shame on them. Sueeeee! Lol
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The only reason I even mentioned that I'm a vet is to sort of level w the tech guy that I'm pretty tech savvy myself, and that I'm a trained Communications Electrician from my time in the Navy. He was treating me like I'm an idiot, mostly because I mentioned xda it seemed like, and I merely wanted him to stop acting so condescending.

tazfanatic said:
there is a thread here that actually has the statement that you could print out. i can't seem to find it right now that biggoron is talking about.
edit: found the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227396
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Ok well, the manager claims that policy isn't even valid, and he found this entire forum post, printed it out, and claimed I have committed fraud by posting his e-mail on here.
The only option he gave me is to pay for insurance for the phone and make a claim w Asurion, so I'll still have to pay $100 for a new phone.
All in all I still believe this is a hardware issue and I feel that the manager has been short-sighted in automatically attributing it to roms, etc.
All posts have been edited to remove his name though as he does make a good point with that. I actually meant to remove his name when I pasted that, but I must have forgot.

theMallacht said:
Ok well, the manager claims that policy isn't even valid, and he found this entire forum post, printed it out, and claimed I have committed fraud by posting his e-mail on here.
The only option he gave me is to pay for insurance for the phone and make a claim w Asurion, so I'll still have to pay $100 for a new phone.
All in all I still believe this is a hardware issue and I feel that the manager has been short-sighted in automatically attributing it to roms, etc.
All posts have been edited to remove his name though as he does make a good point with that. I actually meant to remove his name when I pasted that, but I must have forgot.
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He went as far as printing out the thread? What a douche. And fraud for posting your email on here? Lulz...
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Android-related Job Postings

Just thought I would share this with you guys. Got an email looking for Android Developers among many other things. Salaries are awesome. This is legit.
"Hi Damon,
I am conducting a search for our client in Portland, OR to fill their Android Developer position and am reaching out in case you know of anyone who would be a fit.
Please check out the link below and apply if you are interested in hearing more about the job.
The full job description is listed at the end of this email!
For more details on this job*or to*apply*simply visit CyberCoders:
http://www.CyberCoders.com/qb.aspx?posId=JW1-AtronAndroid&ad=CSNPMSJacob.Wolf
Not a fit for this job?* Search all of our*open jobs:
http://www.CyberCoders.com/qa.aspx?ad=CSNPMSJacob.Wolf&sterm=*
Happy where you are?* Great!* Know someone who isn't?**Refer a friend for this position and if*we place them you'll get an iPad!*
I will only email you when we find a new job that may be a good fit for your background.* You can also use the link below if you would like us to hold off on emails to you about new jobs.
Thank you,
Jacob
Jacob Wolf
Executive Recruiter | View My Bio »
949.861.2488 | [email protected]
If you are a Android Developer, please read on!
We are a growing mobile development company that is looking for talented mobile developer to add to our team in Portland, Oregon. Ideal candidates will be excited to create new Android applications and help us continue to grow as a company using the latest technology of today. This is a full time position and we would love to talk to anyone with GIS or Location based application experience using the Android platform.
This job is a great opportunity to work with some of the latest software & most cutting edge hardware.
What you need for this position:
- Android development experience
- Java development experience is a plus
- Location based mobile application development experience
What's in it for you:
- Flexible work hours and a
- Relaxed work environment.
- Stability of a full time position
- Paid-benefits position, complete with
- Paid Vacation
- Health Insurance
So, if you are a Android Developer please apply today!
JobID: JW1-AtronAndroid"
So if anyone is gonna apply, I'd appreciate the iPad lol. If more than one person applies and gets accepted, I'll run a raffle for the additional iPads on this thread. You can find my full name and email on my Xda profile.
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Um, doesn't it seem kinda odd that they are promoting a competitor for a job opening?? I don't see legit written anywhere on this.. I work for Pepsi, and don't see anyone giving a coke away for referring an employee.. Just my 2¢
From my rat infested note ii

Im a janitor and you get free **** if you apply at my job.
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sparytrainor said:
Um, doesn't it seem kinda odd that they are promoting a competitor for a job opening?? I don't see legit written anywhere on this.. I work for Pepsi, and don't see anyone giving a coke away for referring an employee.. Just my 2¢
From my rat infested note ii
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Uhhhhh, how exactly are they promoting a competitor again? I checked out the openings, and the company Web page. The company is grounded and established dude.

So ur saying android and apple aren't competitors?? Again, just my 2¢
From my rat infested note ii

Oh that. The iPad thing. It's probably a 1st gen piece of crap anyways. Which is why they don't mind giving them away. They could be refurbished after cracking them open to get some Apple secrets. I mean a million explanations! We dunno.
I didn't really see that as promoting competition because the company is definitely benefiting more from getting the developer than care about an iPad.
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this is a phishing scam. they really just want your personal info.
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you have to create an account. they are banking that your contact email address will have the same password you use for your account on that site. they probably also try your name at various bank sites with the password you used.

austin420 said:
this is a phishing scam. they really just want your personal info.
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Aside from speculation, how did you come to this conclusion?

austin420 said:
this is a phishing scam. they really just want your personal info.
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you have to create an account. they are banking that your contact email address will have the same password you use for your account on that site. they probably also try your name at various bank sites with the password you used.
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So what? You have to create an account for alot of employers. Fred Meyer, McDonalds, a bunch of places. They use it to keep your user profile and sometimes to keep past applications. By the way, the way I know you don't know for sure is your use of the word "probably".

This is shady as shady gets. They're CLEARLY going above and beyond to sell you on why you should do this. They sound way to desperate. To each there own, but I wouldn't risk it...#SCAM.
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So what? You have to create an account for alot of employers. Fred Meyer, McDonalds, a bunch of places. They use it to keep your user profile and sometimes to keep past applications. By the way, the way I know you don't know for sure is your use of the word "probably".
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okay sir. everybody else is wrong and you are right. this is totally legit. we should all give our personal info to some random site because every body knows that everything on the net is totally trustworthy.
not.

Check it. I'm not trying to prove anyone right or wrong. I just want people to cite what they say. Have some proof and all that. If it's a scam, then someone should report it to the browsers (IE, Mozilla, Google, etc.) so they can stop people from going to it. Let them check it out. Don't just burn on it to burn on it no matter how many "leading" points there are. The only way to know for sure is to go and do it. Someone use a fake email and name and see what happens to it once they "steal" it and whatnot. Feel me?
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Good jobs are never advertised. #scam
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I do know that name - and for you with paranoia... Google is your friend.
Cybercoders has been around for a while - seen them on Dice and I think Monster.
Probably just looking for new coders - sure there's plenty of interest.
Looks legit to me.

Verizon Note 4 Rooted!! Check description

As I was searching the Internet today I came across this! Can anyone verify it??
http://www.usoftsmartphone.com/t410056.html

For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.

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For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.
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Although, he has some petty good video of startup, reboot, and maintaining root...as well as showing root checker etc. so time will tell.

The guys a FRAUD. The XDA mods locked down his thread cause he was posting lies about permanent root which he willfully failed to show verity upon request. He is only looking for attention by means of "Thanks." pay him no attention. He's a troll. lol

Farse
This looks like a waste of time...delete.

So there is no reliable system yet to root the Note 4?

They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".

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They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".
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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.

He already said many times he wasn't going to release it. He said it would hurt his business and Samsung would patch it.
Which translates to I've found something that will work on many Samsung devices so if I release it I won't be able to use it to make money in my business, because having a solution for only the Verizon note 4 is not going to do his business much good as he is from outside US.

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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.
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All you have to do is look at his past post. He did the same thing with an LG device. Posting he has achieved root when he had not. When the mods finally asked him to provide proof he declined to answer. When he's been contacted on his site, his number, etc, etc, he declines to answer the question and left the LG community it's in a complete disarray. We don't need people posting root achieved notices just to get their thanks scores higher. The Note 4 community it's has been thru enough already. And if it was going to hurt his business to release the method, then why release I've achieved root. No thanks, the guys a complete fraud.

I can appreciate that reasoning, thanks.
Here a genuine question, not trying to be argumentative:
How is this situation with vnmobile different than the video posted showing the Galaxy S5 bootloader unlock?
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
It appears that this dev (beaups) does not plan to release his methods either, yet he is not treated with the same disdain as vnmobile. Granted it appears that beaups has earned respect previously, but at the end of the day the same question remains: what is the purpose of sharing the video?

This guy definitely a fraud. His real name is Ngoc Vu and he's running a business selling tech equipments in Vietnam. Let me throw a few things on the table here.
1) Language barrier issue - Nope I speak his language and had visit his website and his facebood page. Just full of shi...
2)Hurt his business if he released the root fix? Another bull sh... 2 ways he could make money. a) release the fix and collect over 20k cash from XDA b) Offer a service to root the phone with a fee. Guess what? none existed.
Summary - he just want to drive traffic to his web site, and make his business more visible to the world specially XDA where everyone interested in cell phone/tablet and electronic equipments. Case closed!

i just saw this post. And i confirmed he is a Vietnamese guys. like me. ^^
But i am so surprise, because he used the Booloader and ROM from "hsbadr" of XDA forum.
- This is the post of HERO "hsbadr" (By hsbadr, Recognized Developer / Recognized Contributor on 13th August 2015, 10:46 PM) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nt/firmware-safe-upgrade-to-lollipop-t3178148
------------------------AND this the post of the guy in Vietnam ^^ (it was 31-10-2015, 06:02 PM ) . in Asia country like Vietnam, the Day is first, then the Month. So his video was Oct 31,2015. After "hsbadr" released his tutorial. ^^ i wish i can upload photo for you guys.
http://vietfones.vn/forum/showthread.php?1047158
This: "N910VVRU2BOG5 - Android 5.0.1 : Fri, 31 Jul 2015" is f-u-c-king fake ^^
Pls Forgive him!!!