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Microsoft Direct Push Mail

Is there/or will there be a WM 6 ROM that has Microsoft Direct push?????
I am using CRCs PHKV12r7 at the moment,
Or is it under a Different name?

All WM6 ROMs have direct push. Just configure your Exchange account as usual and make sure the schedule is set to As items arrive. Is there anything to indicate that your ROM lacks this capability?

kltye said:
All WM6 ROMs have direct push. Just configure your Exchange account as usual and make sure the schedule is set to As items arrive. Is there anything to indicate that your ROM lacks this capability?
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Just remember that DirectPush uses up a lot of battery.
DirectPush is based on non-expiring long HTTPS sessions. My provider here in the US (Cingular) has the session valid for 480 seconds (8 minutes), so the phone reconnects to exchange every 8 minutes (it does more frequently if Im not in HSDPA/EDGE network areas). With HSDPA, this means Im almost always connected and use up lot of battery.
My informal studies shows battery life of about 20 hours with DirectPush enabled and more than 40 hours with synch every 30 minutes. of course, I get mails only on the 30 minute mark. You can see this with the abcPowerMeter tool, shows spikes of 400mA (from 18mA steady state) eveyr 4 minutes, even if only for 5-10 seconds
Side remark, I find that having DirectPush enabled makes my IM sessions reliable, else, my IM disconnects and messages to me go to ether.

coolsva said:
Just remember that DirectPush uses up a lot of battery.
DirectPush is based on non-expiring long HTTPS sessions. My provider here in the US (Cingular) has the session valid for 480 seconds (8 minutes), so the phone reconnects to exchange every 8 minutes (it does more frequently if Im not in HSDPA/EDGE network areas). With HSDPA, this means Im almost always connected and use up lot of battery.
My informal studies shows battery life of about 20 hours with DirectPush enabled and more than 40 hours with synch every 30 minutes. of course, I get mails only on the 30 minute mark. You can see this with the abcPowerMeter tool, shows spikes of 400mA (from 18mA steady state) eveyr 4 minutes, even if only for 5-10 seconds
Side remark, I find that having DirectPush enabled makes my IM sessions reliable, else, my IM disconnects and messages to me go to ether.
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This is going into OT territory, but 8 minute validity?! That is pretty bad. How did you find out about that?
Also, it's not that you're "almost always" connected - you are always connected, otherwise the HTTP session will die.

Once attached the session uses the battery more only when there is data activity, come on now my TyTN sits connected over HSDPA all day and i dont use up the battery.
I get a fair ammount of emails via push and an average ammount of txts and phone calls.

I agree with mrvanx. I use direct push. And my phone just sat yesterday all day (literally 15hrs). when I picked it up the battery was still @ 92%. I did use it once for about a 3 min. Call.

cp1md2b said:
I agree with mrvanx. I use direct push. And my phone just sat yesterday all day (literally 15hrs). when I picked it up the battery was still @ 92%. I did use it once for about a 3 min. Call.
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Was it on 2g or 3G?

Wam7 said:
Was it on 2g or 3G?
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most likely 2G i would think, my battery is around 30% end of the day.
Im not sure i could put up with the extra bulk of an extended battery.

Slow site?

Is it only me?
Or anyone else is having slow response to open any page of this great site?
I have this slowness since 2 weeks and I have the best speed available on my country: 4mb (You guys with super fast connections don´t laugh)

orb3000 said:
Is it only me?
Or anyone else is having slow response to open any page of this great site?
I have this slowness since 2 weeks and I have the best speed available on my country: 4mb (You guys with super fast connections don´t laugh)
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It's been a little slow for me from time to time, but nothing major, pages always load.
P.S. I have a 2Mb cable line at home
Dave

its ok for me
are you guys talking mega bytes or mega bits
ive got 7.2 megabits

It loads slowly trying to login and opening up a forum. Other than that it seems good. According to speedtest 25 megabits from work

It's been pretty quick for me lately. In fact, it's been better, since I no longer seem to get HTTP 5xx Server errors anymore. Speedtest.net says about 5 mbps from home over type N Wi-Fi.
Dave

@orb: Did not notice any speed difference myselft either. BTW I have a dialup connection using a USB modem . normally any page opens within 2-4 seconds (Always, should be more appropriate). Could it be that your firewall or router acting itchy?

Thanks for your reply
No it was not any firewall or router...
It happens randomly form time to time now is ok
Cheers,

I've noticed this too over the last few weeks, both at home >1.5Mb connection and even at work where the connection is 100Mb
May I add; nearly every morning about 01:30Hrs the site becomes unreachable for about 3mins. Though this may be due to backups

Forums been very slow for me. 15 seconds to just load the reply page.

The current problem discussion is here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=510704

Yes, although not for weeks, bust for last 3 days, I am getting pathetically low speeds while opening pages here at New Delhi, India. Its taking around 15-70 seconds to open a page. I am on a 256 kbps line and all the other websites are working absolutely fine. Torrents are even giving 37-40 KBps / 296-320 Kbps (theoratically not possible on my connection )
But its a lot better today. I am getting pages in 3-5 seconds at the moment. I have also noticed that when its night here in India, pages start opening slow. I guess the other side of the globe is more active at that time

krazy_about_technology said:
Yes, although not for weeks, bust for last 3 days, I am getting pathetically low speeds while opening pages here at New Delhi, India. Its taking around 15-70 seconds to open a page. I am on a 256 kbps line and all the other websites are working absolutely fine. Torrents are even giving 37-40 KBps / 296-320 Kbps (theoratically not possible on my connection )
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The site's up and running at full speed now. The admins fixed the problem around midnight (BST) last night.
Ta
Dave

the site is popular

Time to look into cachefly. It is a great option to server balance without the need for additional servers. Someone at the top should go check it out and see if it would fulfill any needs for XDA. It is worth the look after all, ad banners generate faster with more pageloads...
FYI, for me the site is painfully slow. The initial html loads fine but anything needing the forum database is at a crawl.
Love the site, thank you admins and all helpers!

im on here all the time i have a 8mgb connection and its slow from other conenctions also... not always i guess when the site gets overloaded, i wish we could update the bandwidth or w.e is causing this for the site

I still get a slow site.... when browsing the forum it takes a few secs (5-10) to open a page... and it only happens on this site
i have a 16Mb connection!
Deiota

It's slow for me also.
I have 8.89 Mbps download speed, and the XDA site is really slow today. I've noticed the page transitions were slow the past several times I have gotten on the web site, but today is the slowest I've seen so far.

for some reason it seems to be running like a turtle today...

Same here
Perhaps we are now too many users?!

I was getting 500 Internal Server errors on the home page earlier when the forums would not load for me.

TP2 ate up 400MB of data in a Month w/o actual use!!

Hey everyone,
Last month I gave a TP2 as a gift to a relative of mine, who is not the most tech savvy. Now, after having been in use for a month, my relative complained about an unsually high phone bill. So I checked it out, and it turns out that the phone used just short of 400 MB in a single month!!! The itemised bill showed that the phone sent or received several megabytes (usually around 4 MB) during times, when the noone was using it (like the middle of the night, 5 in the morning and so on).
The following services were enabled on the phone, that potentially use data:
- Automatic downloading of weather data
- Push notifications for Windows Live Hotmail (
- Windows Update
- Windows Customer Feedback Program
I've now disabled all of the above. Nevertheless, I have to say that blocks of 4 MB without actual use seem pretty excessive. I get push emails on my phone with Google Mail and I never have any more than a couple hundred kilobytes a month. And things like the Customer Feedback Program shouldn't use any data at all (if i recall the dialog explaining the service correctly).
Does anyone have any idea what could be the cause of all this? I actually feel bad for giving someone a phone that causes an astronomical phone bill without having been used excessively. Do you think my relative has some chance of getting at least part of the bill refunded?
Thanks for your input.

Easy.
Just delete the t-mobile setting under connection.
Or change the server to epc.1tmobile.com
Done!

Thank for the input, but I'm sorry to say that that does not actually apply in this case. It is a generic HTC Touch Pro 2, bought in Germany, running on the E-Plus network. Deleting the internet settings all together is not an option, since the phone is supposed to be able to go online (eg. to check stock quotes).
What I'm really wondering is:
- What, out of the services I mentioned, would use up such rediculous amounts of data for no aparent reason?
- How much data do other users see, who do not go online with their phone all day long?
PS: I forgot to mention that Google Latitude was also engabled at some point in time, but was then disabled on account of the fact that it does not update the location when the phone is in standby, and is thus, utterly useless.

Is there some kind of data service on that line? Is this a prepaid line or a post paid(monthy bill). The bill for this overage shows what? Does it show a charge per mb?

A program like SPB wireless monitor can report usage split between which applications are using the data. I don't know whether the trial version would be good enough to get to the bottom of this, but even paying for the full version would be worthwhile if it saves the big bills.
I agree that this is a very large amount of data for the phone to be using by itself!

Did you use Google Maps?
Edit: If not, I would definitely install spb wireless monitor.

xanthene said:
- How much data do other users see, who do not go online with their phone all day long?
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I go online with Exchange push, Gmail every 4 hours, Hotmail push, weather, web browsing, facebook, upload pictures, etc
and my monthly useage are around 100-150MB on average.
User who are not go online with their phone all day would be much less than my usage.

Check if she has websites set to push during those times.

Hey everyone,
The phone is on a prepaid plan, but it shows you very exactly how much data was used when.
By now I am fairly confident that the problem lies with Windows Live and Hotmail push notifications. I have in the meantime reactivated the Windows feedback thing (after all, we all benefit from the information I submit to MS ) and have not noticed any additional data charges. I have disabled automatic updating of weather data, but syncronized once manually and was shocked to find that it used a whopping 1.2MB!!! Absoulutely rediculous.
I have not reenabled Windows Update, but since there are no updates available anyway, I fail to see how that might cause as much data as was used.
Which only leaves Windows Live as the culprit. What I fail to see is how it managed to use up so much data when downloading E-mails. Even newsletters, which arrived on the phone too, rarely have more than a hundred or so KB.. and that includes pictures, which the phone does not download automatically.
Well, I'll install the SPB Monitor and let you know what my findings are.
xanthene
PS: There are no push pages set up

I 100% agree with you about the SPB Wireless monitor.
The new version of SPB wireless monitor is great. It will break down which programs are using what data amounts, which connections are being used and will even give a chart showing these things. You can view daily, weekly and monthly. It monitors USB, MMS, GPRS, and even WiFi but all you want is the gprs.
A weather program that uses 1.2 megs is rediculous. I use Weatherpanel (free) it updates once an hour including radar images for 3 cities and it uses about 400k per day!
It is a necessity on my Kaiser and if and when they bring the HTC to North America it will go on that as well.

Do you have facebook sync set up up? When I had it set to auto sync on the 2.1 beta I use on my Touch Pro it was blowing through data and battery.

She may have used less than the bill shows...some carriers round up on up on the data use/cost.

Thanks again for all your input, the matter is basically settled now. I've disabled data connections on the phone, preventing it from accumulating such rediculous charges without reason. Now the data connections just have to be manually turned on before going online - which isn't really an issue considering how little the phone is being used to surf around the net.
SPB Wireless Monitor obviously shows next to no data, on account of the fact that data has been turned off. I used it to read two news pages once and SPB reported 2.5MB. Again, pretty rediculously high amounts for some news. Looks like Opera isnt the most efficient browser. I should benchmark it against Skyfire and Opera 9.7b with Turbo when I have some time.
Regarding the units that get charged: data gets counted in increments of 10 kilobytes, which is more than fair on a prepaid plan.
Facebook sync is turned off.
I guess the matter is settled. Weather uses way more data than it should, and the only other service that I haven't tested yet is Hotmail Push. The cold, hard process of elimination clearly blames Hotmail.
Thanks for all your input.

AT&T Tilt 2 Data Speed Clarification

I've noticed a discrepancy between actual data speeds on the AT&T Tilt 2 from various users on the board.
Some people are happy with 1.5mb rate, others have about 400kb, and then some people's signatures have a data speed rate of about 4mb!
I've also read that AT&T put a 1.5mb hardware cap on the Tilt 2, which negates the Tilt 2 owners who say they have 4mb download speeds.
My device gets from 400kb-1.5mb (roughly) from standard HSDPA data connection, and a more steady 1.5mb using Wi-Fi.
Is this the same with all Tilt 2s?
Thanks in advance.

I'm running on the EDGE network using mobile internet explorer, I just ran www.mobilespeedtest.com 3 times consecutively & here are my results.
2162 kbps
2439 kbps
2478 kbps
I purchased my tilt 2 Dec. 30th 2009. I did add the "speed up your data connection" cab

I'll try the data speed fix today.
Does anyone know if there is a data cap on the Tilt 2?
The fact that T-Mobile has the same phone w/7mb speed is ridiculous.

This is the phone I've been oggling for a while, but if there's a cap, it'll be a no go. To ask a rookie question, since I'd be coming over from CDMA and have been hearing nothing but trouble about the Nexus One in the last few days,...
Can you buy an unlocked T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 and then use it on AT&T without the cap?
Any educated guess would be much appreciated.

The T-mobile version will not work on ATT 3G, you will only get Edge

Bah. Vicious rumors....
(Frack.)
Out of curiosity: Presumably if HTC is making phones for both, then it would be a matter of swapping or hotwiring the circuit board? But then would the WiFi be capped? Newb question, I'm sure. Sorry. I'll root around the forum, unless you're willing to reply.

For speed tests use skyfire. Have yet to try opera 10
Opera 9 : 600 kbps
skyfire : 7200 kbps
seems pretty unrestricted as long as you got the right stuff doing the job.
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BTW, this is on a VZW locked phone with the dataspeed fix. I didn't do a before and after on skyfire for the dataspeed fix but I may try it later.
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Also, IE didnt work much better. Best results have been on skyfire so far.

skyfire is DEFINITELY incorrect. it parses pages through its own servers before spitting them out to you so their speeds are inflated.
here are my speed tests:
www.mobilespeedtest.com - 2MB for more precision (keep in mind this is kilobits per sec not kilobyes per sec; for more information go here:http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1061)
opera 9.7 - 649kbps
i/e - 795kbps
skyfire - 6452kbps
and heres how you know skyfire is BS. you do the speed test for 7MB and you've downloaded 7MB in 4.8 seconds for a 11667kbps. That is a ridiculous number that even most internet connections at home dont get.
edit: this is with the jh20001 speed fix and also the sh4y one. and the youtube one i made. on an at&t tilt2 running energy rom 28011

http://www.mobilespeedtest.com
DEFIANTLY gives erroneous results and I really think that people should stop using it. I know EXACTLY what the maximum speed I can get is because I have an email from my network telling me what they have limited my HSDPA to and mobilespeedtest.com happily tells me I am getting multiples of this number.
The most accurate I have found is the 1Mb test :
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1
Also - don't use any version of Opera with "Turbo" turned on or Skyfire as this will measure the speed that the proxy in between you and the test site will get. NOT your actual speed.

Thanks for all the replies.
I've also read elsewhere that Skyfire is not a good method of determining data speed.
dslreports.com's 1mb test does seem more accurate in conjunction with Opera.
I applied the datafixspeed cab and my speed still tops out at about 1500kbps on HSDPA with good reception. Even w/Wi-Fi, it doesn't go beyond that.
Am I to assume that people bragging about their 4mb d/l speed are using Skyfire, mobilespeedtest.com, or some other erroneous method of obtaining speed info?
Is 1500kbps d/l considered good? I mean, I finally gave in and got the data plan just for this phone. I wasn't expecting web browsing to be perfect, but the speed still hampers most sites that I visit. It also seems that friends w/the Droid and Blackberry have an easier time accessing the web than the Tilt 2 w/Opera. I'm not complaining, I just want to know how well our product compares to others and get the best experience I can w/the Tilt 2.

Skyfire and Opera Turbo both work by downloading the information you have asked for to a proxy server that sits between you and the data (web site).
The server downloads the data then it compresses it and sends it on to you, so it speeds up your pages loading because the phone has to download less data.
If you do a speed test you are testing the speed of the proxy, not your phone
No idea what's going on with mobilespeedtest.com apart from the fact that there's an advert before you run the test and people like good news ......

i have att and my speeds are nowhere near 1500.
i get 363kbps on dslreports lol. wtfs wrong with mine!

There's nothing wrong with yours.
It's the network. 3G runs at 384kbps so either the network in your area's not upgraded or your network's limiting your bandwidth.
My network is limiting my bandwidth, which I am a bit miffed about

Here is one everyone can use. Its one i use. Its on my server.
Payload size is 3MB
I know it is accurate. If you theater to your phone and download the payload you will get the same results as if you ran just the test. I would avoid using opera as it will give you false numbers, just use PIE.
http://ithappensconsulting.com/speed/initialmeter.php
http://ithappensconsulting.com/speed/payload.bin

Ok, clicked the first link on my TP2 using Opera 9.5 and....
Your current bandwidth reading is:
-3865258.70kbps
which means you can download at -483157.34 KB/sec. from our servers.
??????????
Edit : Payload (.bin) is 3.7Mb not 3Mb - don't know if that effects anything cos I'm not entirely sure what "theater to your phone" means

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Ok, clicked the first link on my TP2 using Opera 9.5 and....
Your current bandwidth reading is:
-3865258.70kbps
which means you can download at -483157.34 KB/sec. from our servers.
??????????
Edit : Payload (.bin) is 3.7Mb not 3Mb - don't know if that effects anything cos I'm not entirely sure what "theater to your phone" means
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I forgot to edit my post here. But dont use opera. Use IE. Opera cant seem to know what 2 + 2 is.
teather means to use your phone as your internet connection for your computer.

You mean use IE on my computer ?
My computer doesn't have IE, and even if it did there's not a chance I'd be using it !

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You mean use IE on my computer ?
My computer doesn't have IE, and even if it did there's not a chance I'd be using it !
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Use IE on your phone.
Firefox and IE work great on computer.

Why do I have to tether to my PC if I am using IE on my phone ?
And IE does work, but not very well on Linux

dik23 said:
Why do I have to tether to my PC if I am using IE on my phone ?
And IE does work, but not very well on Linux
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Forget about the computer.
Just open IE on your phone and go to the link.

How much background data traffic does WP7 generate?

Hey there,
I am thinking about jumping in the cold water and picking up a WP7 device, despite all the missing features that I enjoy right now on my iPhone...I just need a bit of fresh air
But there's an important question for me that I couldn't find any reliable info for: Can anybody tell me how much background data traffic WP7 produces, compared to iOS or Android? That is, with eMail- and Facebook accounts activated.
I read somewhere that one user had around 16 MB of traffic in 3 hours without even using the phone actively... I guess something was misconfigured on that guy's device (maybe debugging was turned on), but anyway, I would love to hear some reallife facts about this.
Reason I'm asking is that I only have 300 MB of data included in my mobile contract - after that I get throttled to GPRS speed. It would suck to have those 300 MB eaten up by background tasks.
If anybody can give me an estimate, I would be glad!

what i've been doing is app downloading through zune desktop over whilst on wifi. i'm pretty crazy with the news on my phone and all that, and just after 4 weeks of having my phone, i've used just under 400mb.
this is without youtubing (tried 1 clip, looks pretty horrid), but i have viewed quite a few full desktop websites on my phone because they didn't have a mobile version, and i did try and download a game or two here and there.
i'd say that it is doable. i use the maps quite frequently as well which chews a bit of data.
but yea i reckon if it was put to a challenge to me i could easily keep it under 200mb. but i set my phone to rapid fire pretty much and it's still good. i have 1.5GB of data on my plan as i wasn't sure how much i'd need... after close to a month i can tell you now... i don't need that much. could get away with 500mb, but aye good to know i have it and if/when tethering kicks in, i know i can use my phone.

Let's get this into perspective, gentlemen.
A page of an average novel has 30 lines of 12 words per line. The average word is 6 letters plus a space. If a book has 300 pages, that means the average novel is this big;
300 pages x 30 lines x 12 words x 7 characters = 756Kbytes.
I have a data plan of 500MB per month. This means I could theoretically download enough text to make this many novels;
500,000,000 / 756,000 = 661
So let's get this straight. In terms of emails, even with text attachments, facebook updates, etc etc, I can download the equivalent of;
661 books / 30 days = 22 books per day
Now I admit that adding images and video into the mix throws these figures out, but if we're talking about the kind of background network traffic that drives WP7's facebook integration, email etc., I think we can safely say that I'm unlikely to run out of data in a month.
In fact I'd be surprised if WP7's background downloading even amounted to a single novel per day, let alone 22 of them.

Jim, you're right about that - the actual expected amount of background traffic (push notifications, facebook/email updates, calendar-synchronization etc.) should hardly do any difference.
What I was more worried about are things that go on under the hood without the user even noticing - maybe the marketplace does something in the background as well, maybe Windows Live is showing some strange behaviour, sending a lot of stuff without any obvious reason, etc. - you never know with a new OS, they have their quirks. That's why I wanted to double check before I dismiss that topic from my list.
But thanks already for your answers, both of you! I guess phantom data traffic is the least of my problems anyway, should I decide to switch to WP7

Sneets said:
Hey there,
I am thinking about jumping in the cold water and picking up a WP7 device, despite all the missing features that I enjoy right now on my iPhone...I just need a bit of fresh air
But there's an important question for me that I couldn't find any reliable info for: Can anybody tell me how much background data traffic WP7 produces, compared to iOS or Android? That is, with eMail- and Facebook accounts activated.
I read somewhere that one user had around 16 MB of traffic in 3 hours without even using the phone actively... I guess something was misconfigured on that guy's device (maybe debugging was turned on), but anyway, I would love to hear some reallife facts about this.
Reason I'm asking is that I only have 300 MB of data included in my mobile contract - after that I get throttled to GPRS speed. It would suck to have those 300 MB eaten up by background tasks.
If anybody can give me an estimate, I would be glad!
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I've got 250MB a month on my contract and by the look of it with 2 Exchange Accounts set to as items arrive, some light browsing and a few app downloads, I will be using under 50MB in a month. I do connect my phone via WiFi when it is charging overnight which brings it down slightly. Also I disabled OTA updates so it only checks over WiFi and when connected to my computer.

Wow....so with 3GB of data the world is my oyster
Thanks t-mobile *huggles phone lovingly* "mwah mwah mwah"

Here's the thing, there isn't a lot of background data flow moving as far as I know. The facebook status updates in the People hub don't update unless you move to the "Whats New" page.
I have Exchange, Hotmail and Gmail all set to "as items arrive", I've downloaded a bunch of apps and games, constantly check twitter, facebook and AP Mobile, I've even watched a couple of episodes of Family Guy through Netflix instant view and so far I've only used around 650mb - 750mb. Oh, and I hardly ever use wi-fi. My wife has a BlackBerry Torch and with what she does, she's actually used around the same amount as me.
I don't, however, have background reporting enabled, but I disabled that because of battery concerns.
My point is, don't even worry about it.

word is the initial setup uses a lot of data...you can always turn the 3g off over night and use wifi only. scale back the amount things you intergrate into the phone or up you plan...i couldn't imagine not having an unlimited data plan these days.

I have a t-mobile contract, there is no REAL limit of data I can use. If I use 80% of 1gb(800mb) t-mobile will send me a text informing me i've used 800mb. There is no consequence of using this much data but as with all fair usage policies they will warn/throttle me if I use EXCESSIVE amounts(id say 5gb a day or something insane like that).
I use my phone for web browsing, email, marketplace, weather live tile and ive used 250mb in a month. Obviously if I don't download apps that figure can be halved.
In answer to your question: 0mb if you turn off usage of 3g/hsdpa.
As someone mentioned before; the default WP7 UI will only download data if you request it(view contacts "what's new" for example). Custom live tiles such as the Weatherbug tile that updates every 20min would use minuscule amounts based on the fact its only downloading a weekly weather forcast.
I'd suggest you get an "unlimited" internet plan and then see how much you use in a month and gauge what plan would be best for you after that.